@@S0HJIN Yes we were doing it for the internet mainly indeed. It was a Sunday morning at a photo show, nobody expected a high-end cinematography related talk there. We are just interested in generating great content for our website and TH-cam channel. Nino
Sony advertised FX9 as FF 6k camera but is not able to shoot in FF 6k even after firmware upgrade (Image sensor scan size is around 5K). What's the problem Sony?
Kenny Shem recording codec. It can’t do over 4K DCI. Hoping they can put it a new codec at some point. BUT 6K downsampled to 4K absolutely does give you better detail and lower noise...
his smirk when philip mentions variable ND as if anything negative can be said about such an innovation... PS - Great content, thanks for putting this together, discussions like this are relevant and should be done more often *clap*
You have compared many cameras. Is it worth buying UMP G2 compared to Bmpcc4k, Zcam E2 F6. I am interested in the dynamic range and price / quality so that I can squeeze a high-quality, cinematic picture. Now I’m watching Sony Fx9- that I like colors very much, but expensive and without anamorphic mode. What do you advise?
UMP is such a great camera for a third of the price of the FX-9 and is more of a cinema camera. The Sony is great for doc and TV work, especially if you like the autofocus, which a G2 doesn’t have. If I had the money I would go for the G2 and spend the remaining on a good lens or two, but then my interest is more narrative work. It depends what you want to film.
What an old-timer for being anti ELECTRONIC VARIABLE ND. I can understand the director wanting to control the aperture, shutter speed & frame rate, but ND. Is he going to control the clouds as well?
I keep getting contradictory information on whether Canon’s focus guild system works with non-Canon EF lenses? I cannot seem to find a definitive answer as to whether a non Canon EF lens can take advantage of canon’s autofocus technology to assist in pulling focus. Can anyone help?
For most of us, just get a S1H or BMPCC6K... Technology now goes too fast to invest $10k in a system that might become obsolete in 2 years term.... FS7 and C300 were the last models that became a standard because they were relevant for almost 5 years +/-....now that will not be the case with these two...
These 2 cams are trying to woo users who are using or considering RED and the price point is very attractive when compare in that arena. For the same $ you can only get a RED brain. These systems do not become obsolete in 2 years. It is our desire for newer camera that is playing with the heart.
the s1h and bmpcc6k are great, but not in the same league at all. no inbuilt nd filters, no usable reliable auto-focus (s1h is ....alright af),, s1h currently lacks raw, s1h does have gyro stabilizer but you cant choose the amount in post (its either on or off). while bmpcc6k isn't full frame (although there is a internal speed booster coming), bmpcc6k only 13 stops of dynamic range vs 15 stops. and than there is the form factor and sales pitch. if you're hiring two identically skilled people for a job and one is using a c500 mkii and the other a blackmagic pocket 6k who do you think is more likely to get the work (assuming same skill level)
@@GameTimeStories We'll probably see a similar progression with the RF-mount as with the EF-mount. Crop sensor first (starting with the RED Komodo), FF sensor afterwards.
@@p_adam19 There are 4 large bolts around the mount of the C500 II that could potentially allow swapping the mount out for RF in addition to the current support for PL mount.
@@NoTicket I think if it was, they would have said it in the press release. The electronic communication interface and internal ND filters are not designed with RF-mount in mind, that would probably be another camera designed from the ground up to be RF-mount.
I think I’ve done some very good work over my 30 years even if I am biased. I recommend checking out the Wonder List tv series. My personal documentaries on my channel. Most of my paid work is not on my channel as it’s for clients. Shame you felt the need to write negativity like that. Never understood the reasoning behind people who do that? The need to be pull people down. Can you explain why you felt the need to do that please Jordan? BTW I am Not going to go to your channel and analyse your work. I couldn’t care less if you were good or bad. I am talking about that awful internet negativity mentality that you have showed here.
@@philipbloom First of all - I'm commenting on a video that you are in, not that you made. I'm surprised by the fact that you were included in the panel as I think there are a lot of incredible young DP's who are pushing boundaries and are not being asked their opinions. Again, you are a fine teacher, reviewer and seem like a nice guy. I also just made the comment on a whim without thinking you would read it, I'm sure you have gone to a movie and said you didn't like it without thinking the director is sitting beside you listening. Secondly, I'm curious why you care so much what I think...commenting on my videos to try and get me to respond. The comment was pretty mild, and I'm allowed an opinion. The comment was not meant as a personal attack. I mean, you're on TH-cam so chill out, not everyone is going to like your stuff. Lastly, if you want more critical feedback I can provide more details (though you don't seem like you take criticism well). Without going through all of your stuff this is what I'll say: 1) It seems like you rarely consider colour theoury and often have colours that don't coordinate or have attempted to been matched in post. 2) You often go for slow motion to create mood and tension rather than composition. 3) A lot of your work is over-lit. 4) Your camera movement is repetitive and lacks creativity. 5) Your shots overall portray a lack of concept. That being said I probably shouldn't have said I think you're a bad DP, more that your work is not my taste, so for that I'm sorry.
Jordan Clarke It wouldn’t even cross my mind to say something negative about someone or their work on a video linked to them. The concept is so baffling to me. Are you entitled to an opinion? Of course? Should you always use that entitlement? Not for everything, no. Opinions should be used in things like discussions and have an actual reason in the first place. There was no benefit to anyone here. There was only negativity and there is way too much of that already in life. Saying that it’s TH-cam and to expect is simply a pathetic excuse and you damn well know it. “It’s ok. It’s the internet” IS NEVER AN EXCUSE. Thats why I don’t look at twitter feeds any more as people say such awful things about everything. It brings out the worst in humanity. My advice, not that you care, is maybe remember that the next time you decide to write something negative about someone, especially if there is a high chance they will read it, is to remember that they are a person too. Your words have affected me. WORDS HURT TOO you know. Everyone, including me, is really worried about the future with all work cancelled. If we had met it real life, maybe you were in the audience of this, tell me this; would you put you hand up and say this to me? I will leave that with you. Thanks and stay healthy.
Philip, I honestly think you are overreacting a bit, but I'm glad you re-thought and deleted your initial response. In any case I'm very sorry that you have taken this so personally. I honestly did not intend to ruin your day. As I said it wasn't a personal attack and I think we disagree about the place for constructive criticism. I wish you the best.
Canon was cool enough and confident enough to have no problem in being put side-by-side with the latest offering by their rival, in a fair and balanced discussion. The entire event was sponsored by Canon and that included some Canon-specific presentations by Hans von Sonntag that we will also still publish. They had no influence whatsoever in this discussion other than "providing" the camera. And I think you have to admit that it's a very fair discussion indeed. Nino
cinema5D you did not present the comparison properly. It does not reflect a fair comparison. Perhaps your sense of fairness is distorted. Or you are unable to understand the way viewers would perceive the video. You have 114,000 subscribers. Only .00092 of them liked. And that is with Phillip Bloom who is a great filmmaker. But you would rather argue and attack someone’s impression. I was being kind when I wrote “unfair.” The video sucks. Boring and unfair
@@pfwinbar I didn't pick up on anything unfair or unethical in this video. Seemed like an honest chat through of the basic features of the cameras which at this point are common knowledge... I'm in the market for a new A Camera and this is my second watch through. I was almost sold on the FX9 on the basis that my company owns an F5 and most of my work over the last few years has been Alexa, Amira, F5 or FS7. I am however, after a ton of research, swaying towards the C500 m2 as in my opinion it is a more versatile and complete package... Cameras are just tools to professionals and professionals will pick the right tools for their work. Both look like great cameras... I think Philip Bloom can hold his own when it comes to his thoughts on cameras. He obviously rates the FX9 and is as good an ambassador as Sony could ask for, so I wouldn't worry too much about it if i were you.
Came for fx9 stayed for Philip Bloom
He made me leave
Why cut to a wide shot of the audience, only to reveal like three people? Lol
Its a pity to see a guru like Philip talking to such a small audience but I am ok with that talk
@@alfredknodler540 I'm sure they are doing it primarily for the interwebs
@@S0HJIN Yes we were doing it for the internet mainly indeed. It was a Sunday morning at a photo show, nobody expected a high-end cinematography related talk there. We are just interested in generating great content for our website and TH-cam channel. Nino
@@CineD That's true Nino. Where would I be without your great content? Nowhere!
By the end it was pretty full :)
Who else misses Philip's camera reviews?
Corey S. Vaughn I have an almost 2 hour review on the FX9 out :) I never stopped you know!
@@philipbloom Can't wait to watch! For the camera and the cats!
Sony advertised FX9 as FF 6k camera but is not able to shoot in FF 6k even after firmware upgrade (Image sensor scan size is around 5K). What's the problem Sony?
Kenny Shem recording codec. It can’t do over 4K DCI. Hoping they can put it a new codec at some point. BUT 6K downsampled to 4K absolutely does give you better detail and lower noise...
@@philipbloom Its not about the recording codec. If I'm not wrong, there will be a crop when filming in FF 60p due to the scan size of 5k?
It's the same old sens...
NO, NO, WAIT, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT LIKE....
...yes, it's the same sensor.
Yeah that German dude didn't get it when this point was brought up and went on an annoying rant instead...
his smirk when philip mentions variable ND as if anything negative can be said about such an innovation...
PS - Great content, thanks for putting this together, discussions like this are relevant and should be done more often *clap*
The audience was very excited!
You have compared many cameras. Is it worth buying UMP G2 compared to Bmpcc4k, Zcam E2 F6. I am interested in the dynamic range and price / quality so that I can squeeze a high-quality, cinematic picture. Now I’m watching Sony Fx9- that I like colors very much, but expensive and without anamorphic mode. What do you advise?
UMP is such a great camera for a third of the price of the FX-9 and is more of a cinema camera. The Sony is great for doc and TV work, especially if you like the autofocus, which a G2 doesn’t have. If I had the money I would go for the G2 and spend the remaining on a good lens or two, but then my interest is more narrative work. It depends what you want to film.
Jeez, who lit that stage???
What an old-timer for being anti ELECTRONIC VARIABLE ND. I can understand the director wanting to control the aperture, shutter speed & frame rate, but ND. Is he going to control the clouds as well?
you know, they have the technology now. Cloud seeding and all that
What software yan I use for stabilisation based on the cameras metadata?
Sony's Catalyst software, for now, soon more NLEs
Excellent post thank you 🙏🏾
0:06 thank you phill
What is the best movie camera ever?
ARRI and Panavision
I keep getting contradictory information on whether Canon’s focus guild system works with non-Canon EF lenses? I cannot seem to find a definitive answer as to whether a non Canon EF lens can take advantage of canon’s autofocus technology to assist in pulling focus. Can anyone help?
creativeorstrange it works with my Sigma Ef Mount 24-105 on my Eos r
Isä Ankka that’s great to hear! Thank for your help. Have a great day!
and today we have the c300mkiii, the c500mkii, and the fx9 - what to do !?! head explodes!
But this video is sponsored by Canon...
For most of us, just get a S1H or BMPCC6K... Technology now goes too fast to invest $10k in a system that might become obsolete in 2 years term.... FS7 and C300 were the last models that became a standard because they were relevant for almost 5 years +/-....now that will not be the case with these two...
These 2 cams are trying to woo users who are using or considering RED and the price point is very attractive when compare in that arena. For the same $ you can only get a RED brain. These systems do not become obsolete in 2 years. It is our desire for newer camera that is playing with the heart.
the s1h and bmpcc6k are great, but not in the same league at all. no inbuilt nd filters, no usable reliable auto-focus (s1h is ....alright af),, s1h currently lacks raw, s1h does have gyro stabilizer but you cant choose the amount in post (its either on or off). while bmpcc6k isn't full frame (although there is a internal speed booster coming), bmpcc6k only 13 stops of dynamic range vs 15 stops. and than there is the form factor and sales pitch. if you're hiring two identically skilled people for a job and one is using a c500 mkii and the other a blackmagic pocket 6k who do you think is more likely to get the work (assuming same skill level)
@@legendp2011 These are always the same mid range cameras... 10 bit color, not oversampling images, no prores 4444.
I did not quite understand the part regarding C500 MKII with RF lenses. Surely you can use Canon's EF-->RF adapter on it?
No. You can only adapt a longer flange to a shorter flange, not the other way around. RF mount lenses only work on RF mount cameras.
@@p_adam19 Ahhh I see, thanks for explaining. That is a major bummer.
@@GameTimeStories We'll probably see a similar progression with the RF-mount as with the EF-mount.
Crop sensor first (starting with the RED Komodo), FF sensor afterwards.
@@p_adam19 There are 4 large bolts around the mount of the C500 II that could potentially allow swapping the mount out for RF in addition to the current support for PL mount.
@@NoTicket I think if it was, they would have said it in the press release.
The electronic communication interface and internal ND filters are not designed with RF-mount in mind, that would probably be another camera designed from the ground up to be RF-mount.
How much for those dusty cameras?😂
i would change the title by Last battle Pillip "sony" bloom vs Hans von "old fashion style" canon.
Phillip Bloom is a nice guy, a great reviewer and teacher...however I don't think he's a good DP
I think I’ve done some very good work over my 30 years even if I am biased. I recommend checking out the Wonder List tv series. My personal documentaries on my channel. Most of my paid work is not on my channel as it’s for clients. Shame you felt the need to write negativity like that. Never understood the reasoning behind people who do that? The need to be pull people down. Can you explain why you felt the need to do that please Jordan? BTW I am
Not going to go to your channel and analyse your work. I couldn’t care less if you were good or bad. I am talking about that awful internet negativity mentality that you have showed here.
Shame you don't have the decency to reply. Easy to write shit stuff but when challenged....?
@@philipbloom
First of all - I'm commenting on a video that you are in, not that you made. I'm surprised by the fact that you were included in the panel as I think there are a lot of incredible young DP's who are pushing boundaries and are not being asked their opinions. Again, you are a fine teacher, reviewer and seem like a nice guy.
I also just made the comment on a whim without thinking you would read it, I'm sure you have gone to a movie and said you didn't like it without thinking the director is sitting beside you listening.
Secondly, I'm curious why you care so much what I think...commenting on my videos to try and get me to respond. The comment was pretty mild, and I'm allowed an opinion. The comment was not meant as a personal attack. I mean, you're on TH-cam so chill out, not everyone is going to like your stuff.
Lastly, if you want more critical feedback I can provide more details (though you don't seem like you take criticism well). Without going through all of your stuff this is what I'll say:
1) It seems like you rarely consider colour theoury and often have colours that don't coordinate or have attempted to been matched in post.
2) You often go for slow motion to create mood and tension rather than composition.
3) A lot of your work is over-lit.
4) Your camera movement is repetitive and lacks creativity.
5) Your shots overall portray a lack of concept.
That being said
I probably shouldn't have said I think you're a bad DP, more that your work is not my taste, so for that I'm sorry.
Jordan Clarke It wouldn’t even cross my mind to say something negative about
someone or their work on a video linked to them. The concept is so baffling to me. Are you entitled to an opinion? Of course? Should you always use that entitlement? Not for everything, no.
Opinions should be used in things like discussions and have an actual reason in the first place. There was no benefit to anyone here. There was only negativity and there is way too much of that already in life.
Saying that it’s TH-cam and to expect is simply a pathetic excuse and you damn well know it. “It’s ok. It’s the internet” IS NEVER AN EXCUSE. Thats why I don’t look at twitter feeds any more as people say such awful things about everything. It brings out the worst in humanity.
My advice, not that you care, is maybe remember that the next time you decide to write something negative about someone, especially if there is a high chance they will read it, is to remember that they are a person too. Your words have affected me. WORDS HURT TOO you know. Everyone, including me, is really worried about the future with all
work cancelled.
If we had met it real life, maybe you were in the audience of this, tell me this; would you put you hand up and say this to me? I will leave that with you. Thanks and stay healthy.
Philip, I honestly think you are overreacting a bit, but I'm glad you re-thought and deleted your initial response. In any case I'm very sorry that you have taken this so personally. I honestly did not intend to ruin your day. As I said it wasn't a personal attack and I think we disagree about the place for constructive criticism. I wish you the best.
Is this a joke? Your comparing comparing Sony to Canon in an event sponsored by Canon. Not fair. Not ethical
Canon was cool enough and confident enough to have no problem in being put side-by-side with the latest offering by their rival, in a fair and balanced discussion. The entire event was sponsored by Canon and that included some Canon-specific presentations by Hans von Sonntag that we will also still publish. They had no influence whatsoever in this discussion other than "providing" the camera. And I think you have to admit that it's a very fair discussion indeed. Nino
Nothing fair about it. Sponsored by Canon and two Canon users reviewing the cameras. No one representing Sony. Not fair
@@pfwinbar Two Canon users? Philip and I just both bought an FX9. Hans von Sonntag is representing Canon. Get your facts straight please.
cinema5D you did not present the comparison properly. It does not reflect a fair comparison. Perhaps your sense of fairness is distorted. Or you are unable to understand the way viewers would perceive the video. You have 114,000 subscribers. Only .00092 of them liked. And that is with Phillip Bloom who is a great filmmaker. But you would rather argue and attack someone’s impression. I was being kind when I wrote “unfair.” The video sucks. Boring and unfair
@@pfwinbar I didn't pick up on anything unfair or unethical in this video. Seemed like an honest chat through of the basic features of the cameras which at this point are common knowledge... I'm in the market for a new A Camera and this is my second watch through. I was almost sold on the FX9 on the basis that my company owns an F5 and most of my work over the last few years has been Alexa, Amira, F5 or FS7. I am however, after a ton of research, swaying towards the C500 m2 as in my opinion it is a more versatile and complete package... Cameras are just tools to professionals and professionals will pick the right tools for their work. Both look like great cameras... I think Philip Bloom can hold his own when it comes to his thoughts on cameras. He obviously rates the FX9 and is as good an ambassador as Sony could ask for, so I wouldn't worry too much about it if i were you.