dice's team: pokepast.es/797f4a245877f26d peng's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peng-hail.3742941/ triple axel blaze's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hail-power-herb-kyurem-ho-suspect-team.3741874/ All the big games with hail in the last 30ish months: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-604676 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-613726 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-654556?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672551?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672996?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674423 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674654 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-678910 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-710930 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-714142?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-741126?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-746589 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-748343 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-749905 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-752478
thanks for the mention kev, i think these sorts of sash lead abomasnow with some abusers of steel types being worn down are very good. dragons, gyarados, psychics ect. i think with cloy gone its going to be a lot harder to cover for threats like excadrill so i think maybe starmie + gyara could be a good idea. great video, enjoyed the watch. very informative!
I've always loved the dynamic of Abomasnow being the setter of the worst weather but haivng the typing and coverage to completely smash the setters of every other weather, which even includes Groudon and Kyogre
Hovering 1300-1400 with an ice team in BW OU atm. I'm running a forretress/obamasnow/mamoswine team, with Balloon heatran, Scarf latios, and a jellicent to help round out the team. Choice scarf abomasnow is my major secret tech, it can hit 360 speed with choice scarf, which lets it outspeed pretty much every non-scarfed mon in the meta. I generally try and get it in early for hail, and try and pressure with blizzard against Dragmag HO teams. Or use it as a solid switch into politoad against rain teams to reset hail.
@@Resener1 Feel free to play around with it as you wish, obviously. A few things i've noticed. Life-orb on mamoswine beats out choice band when using it as a late-game cleaner, or for early game pressure. Abomasnow's 3rd/4th moves have plenty of space to play around with, main core is spamming blizzard and occasionally giga-drain. Same with latios 3rd slot(Trick and draco meteor are key for disrupting stall and revenge killing respectively). Heatran needs air balloon to counter excadrill, which can really help hold the team together, and stops any HP ground volcarona cheese from sweeping. It's speed amount is also key, so you can throw it into a scizor, outspeeding superpower and getting a knockout that way. But there is definitely room for throwing rocks or other utility moves on it, aslong as you have a reliable fire-type attack. Jellicent can be fucked with a whole lot too, i settled on Acid armor and rocky helmet because i'm fucked in the head, but pretty much any jellicent set is decent, aslong as you can spread status, deny rapid spins, and keep it alive. Jelli and Latios are your key pieces for stopping keldeo from murdering everything else though, and jelli also provides a safe switch into water type attacks which pays off alot into rain teams. Forretress is left holding the bag a little on this team, with no real space for moves without giving stealth rock to heatran or mamo. But feel free to do that if you can find a move worth having on it instead.
the idea to use hail to facilitate chip damage on bulkier teams so you can blow holes in the opponents team with stuff like DDnite or volcarona seems so obvious in hindsight, I'm surprised it took so long
I think instead of removing the chip damage, they should have made more types immune to it. Not Water, but maybe something like Normal (even though that makes zero sense)
Love seeing all the Hail discourse, I was a huge fan of hail stall when I started back in gen 4 (not sure I was all that good but made top 100 on the ladder way back when). Probably quite difficult nowadays with so much Clef and Jirachi running around compared to back then, but great nostalgia kick.
6:25 I actually used a lot of Icy Wind Keldeo Rain but I kept losing to teams like that because I missed Icy Wind on Dragonites a lot of times (95% Accuracy).
@@The_VanniActually, the hail damage was generally good for Ninetales-A teams because it was one of the only ways to chip boots mons into KO range passively (and considering Ninetales-A is used pretty much exclusively on hyper offense this can be very useful). Also, statistically speaking it generally benefits the Ninetales-A player because it will be in for a turn or two to set up veil while the opponent will usually be subject to the entire 4 turns of chip because the good ices aren't safe switch-ins to Ninetales-A.
Si robis picu! To ma veru prijemne prekvapilo😂. Chcel by som ta pocut rozpravat po cesky lebo tvoja anglictina je top tier. Aj videa su toptier milujem tvoj format dlhych rantov. Je niaka komunita z Ceska/Slovenska? Lebo hram uz skoro rok a neni nas vela. Anyway drz sa len tak dalej a pozdravujem zo slovenska😂🎊💪
dice's team: pokepast.es/797f4a245877f26d
peng's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peng-hail.3742941/
triple axel blaze's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hail-power-herb-kyurem-ho-suspect-team.3741874/
All the big games with hail in the last 30ish months:
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-604676
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-613726
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-654556?p2
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672551?p2
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672996?p2
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674423
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674654
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-678910
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-710930
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-714142?p2
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-741126?p2
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-746589
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-748343
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-749905
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-752478
Please add a warning to the video next time. One second in and I’m faced with an opposing cloyster at team preview
snowflake generation smh
@@BKCplaysPokemonIce gem generation
@@BKCplaysPokemon yeah it seems that these snowflakes need some kind of "snow warning" before a video starts
@@BKCplaysPokemonPtsd is a serious condition, you shouldn't downplay it like that
I've never played a game of showdown in my life. But fuck gen 5 Cloyster lmao
Cloyster and Volcarona is absolutely diabolical work
The Hailraiser (1987) in BW OU
thanks for the mention kev, i think these sorts of sash lead abomasnow with some abusers of steel types being worn down are very good. dragons, gyarados, psychics ect. i think with cloy gone its going to be a lot harder to cover for threats like excadrill so i think maybe starmie + gyara could be a good idea. great video, enjoyed the watch. very informative!
I've always loved the dynamic of Abomasnow being the setter of the worst weather but haivng the typing and coverage to completely smash the setters of every other weather, which even includes Groudon and Kyogre
Ninetales:
@@rjante2236aboma can earthquake
Doesn’t Groudon outspeed and flame them
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Agency special scarf grass knot is obvs the best way to go when faced with Groudon sun in OU, trust me my dad works at smogong
@@fulltimeslackerii8229yeah but none of them want to switch in on abomasnow
As a Hail abuser, love seeing Politoed always be scared to reset the weather back to rain
Hail stall in gen 5 UU was my favorite time 😩❤️🩹
Psycho comment. Love it.
acid rain stall
i hear "hey all" at the beginning of the video and double check the youtuber im watching
Hovering 1300-1400 with an ice team in BW OU atm. I'm running a forretress/obamasnow/mamoswine team, with Balloon heatran, Scarf latios, and a jellicent to help round out the team. Choice scarf abomasnow is my major secret tech, it can hit 360 speed with choice scarf, which lets it outspeed pretty much every non-scarfed mon in the meta. I generally try and get it in early for hail, and try and pressure with blizzard against Dragmag HO teams. Or use it as a solid switch into politoad against rain teams to reset hail.
Can you post the paste? This sounds really interesting.
@@Resener1
Abomasnow @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Ice Shard
Forretress @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
Jellicent @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Acid Armor
Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 16 HP / 244 SpA / 248 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Lava Plume
- Taunt
- Earth Power
- Substitute
Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Icicle Crash
- Superpower
Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic
- Surf
- Trick
@@Resener1 Feel free to play around with it as you wish, obviously.
A few things i've noticed. Life-orb on mamoswine beats out choice band when using it as a late-game cleaner, or for early game pressure.
Abomasnow's 3rd/4th moves have plenty of space to play around with, main core is spamming blizzard and occasionally giga-drain. Same with latios 3rd slot(Trick and draco meteor are key for disrupting stall and revenge killing respectively).
Heatran needs air balloon to counter excadrill, which can really help hold the team together, and stops any HP ground volcarona cheese from sweeping. It's speed amount is also key, so you can throw it into a scizor, outspeeding superpower and getting a knockout that way. But there is definitely room for throwing rocks or other utility moves on it, aslong as you have a reliable fire-type attack.
Jellicent can be fucked with a whole lot too, i settled on Acid armor and rocky helmet because i'm fucked in the head, but pretty much any jellicent set is decent, aslong as you can spread status, deny rapid spins, and keep it alive. Jelli and Latios are your key pieces for stopping keldeo from murdering everything else though, and jelli also provides a safe switch into water type attacks which pays off alot into rain teams.
Forretress is left holding the bag a little on this team, with no real space for moves without giving stealth rock to heatran or mamo. But feel free to do that if you can find a move worth having on it instead.
the idea to use hail to facilitate chip damage on bulkier teams so you can blow holes in the opponents team with stuff like DDnite or volcarona seems so obvious in hindsight, I'm surprised it took so long
Kinda wish hail had the defense boost to ice types since gen 4 on top of the chip damage.
I think instead of removing the chip damage, they should have made more types immune to it. Not Water, but maybe something like Normal (even though that makes zero sense)
@rjante2236 Maybe Fighting types could be immune because martial artists do sometimes train in the cold weather.
They literally illustrate that Marlene trains on Routes 216 and 217.
Love seeing all the Hail discourse, I was a huge fan of hail stall when I started back in gen 4 (not sure I was all that good but made top 100 on the ladder way back when). Probably quite difficult nowadays with so much Clef and Jirachi running around compared to back then, but great nostalgia kick.
Hail continues to fall (in terms of viability)
This comment really had a chilly reception
It is why people now warn about snow as opposed to Hail
This is one hail of a video
now that's weather war
Oh that's war... that's war of my comfort weather...
@@blargghkip what u blabbin'
How has gen 5 managed to evolve in the span of a year more than it has since b2w2 💀
You missed recording this in actual hail 😢
Garay has nice PMD2 themed nicknames on his team at roughly 26:00
6:25 I actually used a lot of Icy Wind Keldeo Rain but I kept losing to teams like that because I missed Icy Wind on Dragonites a lot of times (95% Accuracy).
With Cloyster now banned, how could the HO variant be played?
Now hail does no damage but at least it gives ice types a defense boost
what the actual f
It should do both smdh gamefreak
@@noblue72 the damage was actually bad. Now you can run Ninetails and not have your mons be chipped
@@The_VanniActually, the hail damage was generally good for Ninetales-A teams because it was one of the only ways to chip boots mons into KO range passively (and considering Ninetales-A is used pretty much exclusively on hyper offense this can be very useful). Also, statistically speaking it generally benefits the Ninetales-A player because it will be in for a turn or two to set up veil while the opponent will usually be subject to the entire 4 turns of chip because the good ices aren't safe switch-ins to Ninetales-A.
If the GOAT said Hail is S++ tier team building it is S++ tier
Which is better, hail or snow BKC
Yesss my favorite weather gets an hour long video 😸
BKC where are you from?
Prague
@@BKCplaysPokemon do you speak czech?
I do!
Si robis picu! To ma veru prijemne prekvapilo😂. Chcel by som ta pocut rozpravat po cesky lebo tvoja anglictina je top tier. Aj videa su toptier milujem tvoj format dlhych rantov. Je niaka komunita z Ceska/Slovenska? Lebo hram uz skoro rok a neni nas vela. Anyway drz sa len tak dalej a pozdravujem zo slovenska😂🎊💪
Who would have thought that obama would become relevant on gen 5 ou in 2024.
Everybody loves Obamasnow
You should talk about hail in gen 8 ou
Why make a less funny version of a reverend video tho
Didn’t he say he doesn’t play gens 6-8 seriously?
@@dtexdarkusonly 8-9
Can you play more chill music? The kind you normally go with messes with the relaxed vibe
Would you say that hail is better than sun nowadays
absolutely!
Hail yeah!
Abomasnow Sand.
BKC
Abomasnow's pretty cool! Not as cool as Ryan Gosling!
Hail Satan!
I too love the end of Rosemary's Baby
botched kwasi cwarteng