Battlestar Galactica | The People Vs Gaius Baltar (The Trial)
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- President Gaius Baltar: guilty or innocent? Follow the complete trial from season 3.
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Say what you will about Baltar, Lee's right about one thing: if the Gaius is guilty, then so are a LOT of other people.
Yes!
Who else is guilty for getting earth nuked?
@@aolson1111 Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law :)
@@usul573 Even though there are many criminal cases against him?
@@amitkenan3878 None of it holds up. There are too many questions, issues with the witnesses, and gaps in the evidence. A defense does not have to be perfect, just has to poke enough holes in the prosecution to make it sink.
I found Baltar's lawyer one of the most interesting characters and was expecting to see him again
Watcher Writer he shows up in the final episode
@@ShasOSwoll I can't remember that. I may have to watch it again.
@@watcherwriter1689 He's in like three or four episodes of the fourth season. Not much, but better than acting like he never existed.
you should check out the "supernatural" tv show, he's king of hell there 😁
Have you watched "Supernatural"? He played Crowley
Apollo's testimony is some of the realist sh*t I've ever heard in fiction.
THE realest
Given there situation.
Probably my favourite part of the whole series. Still get chills from even just thinking about it.
I was eating a snack when I watched this originally aired and I had a piece of popcorn in my hand for 10 mins straight throughout this episode
Yeah. I think it’s gonna be a lot more real in the coming future
"My gods he's drunk"
"......Yes."
When wasn't he
@@LordTalax Ehen he was takin mesur of the whike bottul... (Collapses
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7:26 "The President issued a blanket pardon" - That's right, she did. That alone should have invalidated this whole trial.
Her pardon had exceptions; Baltar is the exception, she did not issue him a pardon. The trial is perfectly valid.
@@theonlylampshade was it ever stated specifically? because (admittedly I'm not a lawyer), if it's blanket, there's no exceptions unless explicitly stated otherwise.
@@katanafourzeronine if I recall correctly she explicitly stated fmr President Baltar was the sole exception.
@Hans Hanzo do you have a refutation to his lawyer's argument? What would you have done in his position? If he had refused to surrender, what would have happened to the people of New Caprica? Would he even be subject to a trial if his unelected (she has never won an election in her entire career) political opponent were not the "Pesident" of the Colonies?
@Hans Hanzo was he a traitor? Possibly. Was he wrong to do what he did? I don't have a clue. That is what is so compelling about this story, you can't possibly know what you would do unless you were actually in that position. Would I handle it better? God, I hope so. That being said, nobody can say for sure that they would have done any better.
Gaius had the best character arc on BSG. Just imagine being used by the enemy for the genocide of your people and then be plagued by religious visions of the woman who did it. The way he had to talk to her and other people at the same time, the way James Callis played it was briljant. The lawyer was also a very interesting character. This show is one of the best ever made. I loved all of it, especially the music by Bear McCreary..
I firmly believe that this will be one of the best scifis of all time. A more realistic form of space combat, interpersonal struggles, political strifes, and a true sense of desperation by everyone. Powerful story, powerful acting. This was a series done right from start to finish.
Well, I still think that S3 is the weakest season of the bunch, but S1 and S4 are still, pound for pound, two of the best seasons of any sci-fi show ever. It's unbelievable that people were slamming it when it came out.
Well, profound series up until near the end when certain mystical elements start creeping way too heavily into the story (which will not be named for spoiler reasons).
@@crazyrabbits Season 4 made no sense to me. Multiple Earths, Kara is an angel. Also they picked the worse possible characters to be the final 5. Just so that it would be "Oh! So unexpected." Yes it's unexpected because it ridiculous and contradicts everything that has led up to this point.
The space combat was sort-of realistic, but I found it very strange that it seemed to take place over such short distances. Ships were often shooting at each other close enough to actually see one another, and to make ramming a viable strategy. Was DRADIS really that useless as a deep-space detection technology?
I think S3 and S4 really drag it down with the over-emphasis on magic and religion, as well as the huge saturation of really unnnecessary romance arcs and love triangles. After awhile it felt more soap opera and than sci fi half the time.
I love the brilliancy in how they make Baltar effectively Jesus... "Are we going to dump the sins of everyone on one mans shoulders?".
That’s not how Jesus works.
@@Quincy_Morris no but that's what we did and still do to this day. Go to a church and you hear that "jesus died on the cross for our sins" and also hear "if you accept jesus into your heart, life, soul then you are truely forgiven" then they leave to commit sin for a week till sunday church/mass occurs. We still do it we dump our sins daily on Jesus knowing its ok cause im forgiven. I've got family members with that thinking as well.
So that remark of thats not how jesus works does not fly with me when his own children do put their sins on him to this very day.
His hair fits so well with it
Baltar is not a Jesus figure. He's being used as a scapegoat, but he didn't sacrifice himself as Jesus supposedly did, for the sake of everyone else's sins. He was always overwhelmingly motivated by self-interest and personal survival, occasionally heeding his conscience when he felt like it.
@@dreamer2260 I should have clarified "lightly". However with the hair, and even the acknowledgement of being a "scapegoat", being put on trial unfairly for the sins of humanity, parallels lightly, and in a sense, what God did for his people as the Messiah.
The writing and acting in this episode reaches such a high point I think it deserves to be called a classic. The subtleties and conflicted loyalties and raw harsh honesty colliding here are astonishingly well realised. Probably the guiltiest man in history HAS to go free - on principle. Long Live Baltar...
Yeah, I really wish Lee's whole speech was someplace on TH-cam.
It is.
It used to be here. It was named "The Fate of Those Who Ran" or something similar. I haven't been able to find it in a long time but it's good. I gained a lot of respect for Lee when he helped Romo Lampkin defend Baltar.
th-cam.com/video/-aT-p2ef6oA/w-d-xo.html
Download the episode and edit it and upload
Baltar's lawyer is a chad of a character, the guy who plays him is also an amazing actor.
Mark Sheppard only features in a few episodes but his character was one of the best in the series. He made this best episode of the show.
You cut out such a good part. :C Where Lampkin goes like "It's obvious he is guilty." and so on.
To be fair this trail wouldn't have happened the way it did without Lampkin.
BSG was such an underrated TV show. It’s a shame it’s considered sci-fi as it was one of the best dramas on TV for a brief period of time. Olmos was fantastic in his role as Bill Adama.
Everyone here seems to forget that Cylons found Humans on New Caprica because of the nuke blown at the orbit which Baltar gave to his Cylon lover...
Thing is, that's not what he was on trial for because they didn't know about that.
It’s also because of him they settled New Caprica. Laura wanted to push forward.
@@matthew8153 Even Laura admitted that the people wanted to settle. They were tired of being in space cans.
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That does not invalidate my statement.
@@matthew8153 I agree, but most politicians act on the 'will of the people'. That's why we have voting. Sure, Baltar wanted it for himself, but using the 'will of the people', he got what he wanted. Was it right or wrong? We'll never know. There is no version that shows what Laura would have done.
"Mr President, sign this execution order!"
"No."
BANG
"...Ok, who's next in command?"
@@MDE_never_dies they wanted his signature to keep up the pretence of order.
@@MDE_never_dies which is what I wrote in a punchier way in my original post.
The Nuremburg Trials established that the excuse "I was just following orders" is not acceptable.
@@jakethewhale The German soldiers weren't taken over by a hostile force and held at gunpoint to be forced to do things.
@@ArctheDark Whether they were taken over by a hostile force or commanded to do things by their own government, it makes no difference. Multiple guards used the excuse "if I didn't obey orders, they would have executed me." Same situation. If that excuse didn't fly for the concentration camp guards, it doesn't excuse Baltar.
It was the moment I lost respect for Gaeta.
I love how they made us care about, fear for the life of, then dislike and ultimately hate Felix Gaeta. One of many very interesting characters on this show. This was the beginning of the end for him.
Butterfingers!
You could tell he was projecting his own guilt and hatred for believing in Baltar and thinking he could truly make a difference. He was the posterchild for what Adama described in his testimony.
Boots!
Lol
He acted like that because of what happened to him on New Caprica, and Baltar knew it. He mentioned it as their "little secret" (that's why Gaeta tried to kill him on brig). The face of the enemy web serie shows why Gatea has changed his character.
Thank you for finding this! Lee's argument was my favorite part of the show
Everybody needs to watch The Face of the Enemy webisode..Gaeta was involved romantically with a 8 and provided her with names of missing or detained resistance members under the impression that she would attempt to free them, when in actuality they were being executed.
I don't think I've ever seen the webisodes! This is profoundly interesting.
Webisodes? Could you please link?
That's what made the 8s so dangerous. They all knew the Galactica crew were emotional about Boomer and they used that to their advantage.
One of my favorite scenes of the whole series
1:40 You can see Baltar thinking "And I got this man to defend me?"
As great as the trial was it never really made sense to me. Surely Lee is not the only person in the entire fleet intelligent enough to realise that a government held hostage had no real say whatsoever in what was going on on New Caprica?
Tom Lachecki great point. But I think there is something about the mob mentality of a threatened small crowd that this scene highlights. Rationality tends to wane in the excess of desperation. Lee is one that understands this, and as the trial proves - many wake up to this fact so as to acquit him. Just my thoughts.
I should add: the complexity of this scene and its implications is that we and many of the people against him are pissed off that he did not die in his defiance to the cylons - not because it would be patriotic or whatnot but because “we don’t like you very much”. They now have the chance to kill him for “being a coward” - although as you point out - he had no real choice.
Yep. Did Baltar willingly commit treason? I’d say no.
People wanted someone to blame and Balter was, ironically, that person anyways.
@@Amoraszune this actually has a semblence of the John Adams Boston massacre trial where the future president defended the British soldiers and got them acquitted. Fight against mob mentality. One of the best scenes from this show, but I'm biased.
"Not guilty is not the same as innocent."
- Admiral Adama
(Updated becaused I misremembered)
Roslin was the biggest hypocrite in the entire series.
@@reactions5783 um... what? Baltar literally demands recognition for saving thousands, when he bares responsibility for the deaths of billions.
@@theonlylampshade
well I think we can let Baltar off the hook for this because
A: he was played by caprica6 and never intended on killing all humans
B: the cylons would´ve attacked anyways and it would be a slow slaughter instead of a fleeing BSG
C: Reactions was talking about Roslin... what has Baltar to do with Roslins hypocrisy?
@@TheCaptainCrack A. What he did was espionage, and thus high treason. It doesn't matter if he knew what her purpose was, he knew giving her access was illegal.
B. The logic of the collaborator. It takes some warped logic to argue that the utter destruction of the Colonies was preferable to another war.
C. I'm not clear on Roslins hypocrisy. Besides, Baltar gives a new definition to the word hypocrisy.
you're not clear on the comment you referred to thus making your entire string null. stop with your streak across all the comments, you're just looking more simpish without reason.
This was the best trial, and one of the best scenes I've ever seen in stories
Adama was biased, trying to stop the trial midway just to defend his girlfriend. He wasn't fit to be in that tribunal/trial.
Guy, when it involved the destruction of the human race, everybody was biased. Adama, partly for morale purposes, just didn't want her, the president's, cancer revealed.
I think he has to be on the tribunal since he is the head of the military
Adama many times broke the rules when he thought he was acting correctly.
J S The show creators point out that Adama and Roslin do a lot of things that are probably illegal, but since it’s a show and we like them we let it slide haha.
@@usul573 Except I hated both of them.
I think the Trial of Baltar was the highest points of the series. Such great acting, directing and story.
This episode proved without a doubt this series was the best written sci-fi show ever.
The greatest scenes i ever seen in a TV show.
Gods Laura is so calm and controlled when Baltar's lawyer is talking about her like that. I wouldn't be able to control myself like her.
Lots of people talk about how The Expanse overtook BSG as the greatest sci-fi series but this Trial alone is better than any single scene or episode in The Expanse imo.
Still powerful, relevant and insightful! A great episode in an amazing show!
One of my favorite episodes in anything I've watched.
This show was too good for television.
Gaius: ".....Oh Felix what are you doing" 😆
My favorite episode in the series. Just awesome material. 😊 alot of great points made by the defense.
these trial episodes were the first episodes i saw of bsg, got hooked right away. interesting to catch the series in the middle and go back to see character and plot development
Apollo's speech taught me one sad thing: Even if you give people very powerful insirational speech, it won't change their opinion.
Look at Jon Stewart's speech to Congress for the 9/11 survivors fund and see how afterward they voted unanimously to extend it (after previously attempting to stop it). If enough people see your speech, it can make a difference
true many people vote on emotion not logic. And as you can see even after his speech the vote was 3-2, which means 2 judges still thought to execute the defendant even after that logic/speech.
Best Sci Fi show ever!
This was an amazing show with terrific actors and excellent writing.
"You have to die, because we dont like you very much."
Baltars face: I LOVE YOU
I love that Gaius made madam president so upset. She's definitely right but something about the way that she carried herself in the series just made me smile whenever Baltar got under her skin. Just...lovely.
Best scene in Sci-fi history...so say we all. Colonel Tigh...damn you’re good!
I would have liked to see more of the trial. But I liked the reminder anyway.
Thank you so much for making this clip!!!!!
His lawyer forgot one very important detail when ranting about Laura
If Laura had won there never would have been a new caprica
Even Laura ended up having to forgive Baltar at the end. She tried to kill him by removing the bandage she applied after he was injured and let him bleed to death, but she realized just like everyone else did that he was just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. If Baltar didn't do it, it would have gotten done another way. No one knew there were human form cylons in the colonies. No one knew the attack was coming. And no one could have stopped it. The cylons had infiltrators in the colonies, but not visa versa. That's a lose/lose scenario. It was inevitable. And either the entire human race was worth saving, Baltar included, or none of them were. That was the conclusion she reached in the end, and Baltar didn't let her down.
It's a lovely recreation. And accurate to our lives and that nothing is so cut and dry.
I still prefer the original villainous git, though! :D
watching this is so hilarious like baltar is the worst but all of the arguments for him are spot on
can't totally blame him for the impossible situations he was put in. I think most people would react the way Gaius did. I do wonder what would happen if Baltar said that he was under hostage from the Cylons and couldn't stop the kill order.
8:18 reminds me of times today and how people think. Seriously.
Adama said he wanted to hear the witness testify, and Jaime took em to church
Helluva speech by Apollo (though not the complete speech)
Honestly this show did such a good job of turning your favourites into the most hated characters at times, and vice versa.
As good of a scene as this is, as others have commented, some of the best parts have unfortunately been left out. :(
Gaeta tried to shank him!
*BUTTERFINGERS*
They cut out the best line of the trial from this video ... damn BUTTERFINGERS editor!!!
That line always makes me laugh too
Fucking onions... always when i watch it they creep in the room... The actor who played Lee should have won an Oscar for this momment...there are not many scenes in movies that bring tears to my eyes everytime... this is one....
This is something that the whole world needs to see right now.
We need to get Legal Eagle’s reaction to this
God I want that so badly. Of course we get the feeling that it skips a lot, but why not tear gaeta to shreds in cross examination?
@@usul573 put Adama on the stand. Why is baltar on trial for treason, but adama not? Adama deposed Roslin earlier in a coup. Thats treason.
@@리주민 Formally, she agreed to be put in his brig for a bit, then he released her and they both forgave.
Leagle Eagle: "well Lee spoke agressively at roslin so her killing him, the defendant, and the other attorney is justified self defense."
How about we get a lawyer who isn't a hack to review it?
awesome, please post some scenes with gaius and lampkin!!!
Ellen... Saul's wife... another victim of the Cylons...
trying to avoid a years old spoiler I'm just going to laugh about that... ha... ha...ha...
Hits different in this edit if one has not seen the show
1:10 Dr. Hibbert: "Yes, the UUUUUUULTIMATE price...😄"
Apollo’s monologue is so freakin good!!
I have only one question for prosecutor and defendant as well. How the hell did that marker pen did not dry since they left colonies?
I want one.
Brilliant beyond words
One flaw in the argument in saying "I'm glad she wasn't president when the Cylons showed up" In that, they never would have been IN that position, because she was VERY much against permanent colonization of New Caprica, so they wouldn't have been down there in the first place to make that "impossible choice".
one of the best scenes. 갈락티카 최고의 장면들 중 하나.
Wow, I never realized the devil's advocate is the actual King of Hell... 😜
F**k me, this show was amazing.
"And you missed! Butterfingers!"
It's probably a good thing they don't know who was responsible for bring in space in the first place
What i don't understand about Baltar is how on earth he goes through this whole arc AFTER he KNOWS he gave access to the cylons to kill all of humanity.
What compelled him, even after he knew his choices were compromised he continued to be in a place of importance. It would have been perfectly fair for people to understand if all he wanted to do was sit in a hole and go nowhere.
It troubles me that others trusted him when he knew he couldn't even trust himself.
He had head six pushing him along his path.
And a huge ego. After he was found "not guilty", he wanted to write a book, was bragging that he knew he'd win, AND had his pack of "Bundy-esque" groupies who sheltered him.
He's a narcissist, he has a thousand little lies he tells himself. No matter what he always has a way to project the wrongs to everything else. It's NEVER his fault.
I see Crowley is still selling lies and dealing in crossroads deals.
This isn't the complete trial. It's been edited and parts are missing.
They should have tried him for collaborating with the Cylons after New Cap and leading them to the Lions Head nebula.
Anyone ever noticed that Saul Tigh is a dead ringer for Karl Pilkington, only a few years older. Damn! Is Karl Pilkington a Cylon?
One can never have enough Romo Lampkin in a series
I just realized Crowley from Supenatural is Baltar's lawyer!
The blonde judge is Saul Tighs real life wife! Way to go Tigh
Lee's speach is much longer, jump cuts kind of doesn't do this clip justice
Thanks for noticing that. I thought at one point in this scene that Lee was done with Roslin but she encourages him to ask her why she was taking the kamala. Now I know for sure that it was cut, for time I'm guessing.
I thinks that the problem with the speech, its so long that the suspension of disbelief starts to fade away.
The more I see of the humans, the stronger the Cylon case seems.
Gaius Baltar is my favorite BSG character :) Admiral Adama is a close second
Laura...if you want to shine a light on everything, it's going to get very messy.
Since the beginning of time, human beings have projected their sins upon others, in a desperate attempt to justify their own miserable existence.
So many leading questions.. at least it's super entertaining 😂
Say what you will about his character. Gaius had a hard life after the destruction of the Colonies.
His own people hate him and see him as a traitor. The Cylons see him as a tool at the best and a pawn to be sacrificed at worst. He hates himself and prayed he was a Cylon for a time so everything he did was for a purpose, and not because of his own selfishness.
Presiding judge played her part very well.
It’s a young Helen Smith from The Man In The High Castle!
This! I learned it only ten minutes ago, after watching the High Castle finale!
You know, Galactica was a great show. Seriously. One of the few TV dramas I really cared about, great spaceship battles and the script was impresive. Real Science Fiction right there. Deep themes, well written, better directed and masterfully interpreted by several of the best TV actors I've ever seen.
However, Galactica is not perfect. It commited mistakes. This episode was one of the worse. They fell for the "dramatic TV trial" instead of go ahead, do something real and original and ACTUALLY WRITE A TRUE TRIAL. I mean, anyone with even the smallest legal training will see so many many failures and so many clichés that are not only unoriginal, but also totally false in "dramatic TV trials" that instead of a trial, they made a joke. And it doesn't looked intentional, to "mock of the law" or create the illusion of a "false trial to justify an execution". No. There are things, the fact that defense actualy had a chance, the poor interpretation of the prosecutor, that girl was pretty much useless as a lawyer and for what was seen in this episode, as an actress (maybe she actually tried in any other episodes, don't remember) or the reaction of the judges that makes believes that this trial was poorly written. Doesn't looked like a Galactica episode at all.
I would have wanted dearly to simply sit up there and play judge. No lines, just being me.
Baltar's plot armor was so strong it could have stopped nuclear weapons.
lol I think James Callis said more realistically someone probably would have just shot or shanked Baltar at some point, but hey it's a show, a story, a legend so it's ok! People have survived and gotten away with extraordinary things to be fair. OJ Simpson is a free man. Fidel Castro evaded hundreds of assassination attempts? Guy died peacefully at 90.
Right. As soon as his character development became stagnant towards the middle of the show and it was clear he was never going to change, he became completely unsympathetic and uninteresting, and should have either been killed off or given more of an arc where he made atonements for his actions/came to some moment of realisation/moment of karma etc.
Careful mate. Your inner Crowley’s showing
Sitting in the audience..is that...is that Bones?
Well shit, I came here in hope of finding some Mark Sheppard related comments... Haven't found a single one.
you know what's crazy? the fact they managed to have a fair trial lol, literally everyone in New Caprica had a motive to be against Gaius
You wonder what the reaction would be had everyone known Baltars role in incapacitating Colonial forces during the holocaust.
Forgiven? Hard to see.
Oh he’d have been out that airlock or imprisoned at best. Even though he’d unknowingly let the Cylons in, he still abused his security clearance and allowed a third party agent access to the Command Navigation Program that the Cylons used to shut down Colonial Fleet.
That’s espionage of some form, and treason if the agent was passing on intel to one of the Colonies to give them some sort of advantage.
I was watching the previous episodes and was so glad someone finally spoke the truth
so many warcrimes were committed before this but noooo baltar is the only one thats guilty!
However inadvertent, he led to the deaths of most of the human race. He went on to pledge himself to the Cylon god when it became apparent that someone would rat him out from the Olympic Carrier. He helped a human-form Cylon to escape, leading to the death of an admittedly tyrannical Admiral. He gave said obviously mentally damaged Cylon a nuclear bomb that later destroyed several ships, killing thousands. Said explosion brought the Cylons to New Caprica where they killed over 5000 more. He aided them in the search for Earth.
Let’s start out by pointing out that he gave defence mainframe access to a third party in the first place. Cylon or not, someone who wasn’t meant to have access managed to get access. A threat to Colonial security. He was busy trying to call a lawyer in case he got found out rather than making an attempt to warn anyone (admittedly it was too late but he could have tried).
The nuclear warhead he gave away was meant for his Cylon detector, so only he was meant to have it and it should have stayed aboard Galactica.
Baltar was guided by his dick when he gave Six access to the mainframe and then guided by cowardice and his self serving nature. He got to live on the New Earth when thousands who should have been there weren’t.
Roslin is far from perfect. But she’d never have allowed so many of her people to die. God knows she almost rigged an election, made many morally questionable decisions, but she didn’t cause the genocide of the human race or enable the persecution of the survivors.
@@rhysgarner8677 well yeah
Whether or not it was explicitly stated that the blanket pardon applied to all with the exception of Baltar, the simple fact that he signed those death warrants under duress is enough of a defense to have the case dismissed or even not brought in the first place. In fact, his entire term as president under the occupation was under duress, with his life being threatened if he dared resign from office.
I wish we knew more about these other ship Captains on the tribunal.
Supposedly Ron wanted more stories showing what was going on with the other ships, but didn't have the budget for more sets most of the time.
I was all for them executing a altar, until this spree changed actually made me look at why I was angry at Baltar. He was a coward, I’d like to think in the same situation I wouldn’t be. But I’ve never been in that situation so I really can’t judge him for his cowardice. I would’ve probably done the same.
Wow Crowley nice to see your still doing good business
His trial is an extremely interesting moral one that many European leaders faced during WW2: Death or Dishonor.