This video really opened my eyes on the wrong workouts people and I have been focusing on in the gym due to the bodybuilding culture promoted isolation workouts. I rather should have focused on exercises that make you do 2 or 3 exercises at once. As you said cleans that make you do a deadlift and practice your stability position for a front squat. And even you can transition it into a shoulder press. I dont have the confidence or think its risky overall to focus on a heavy ass Olympic squat due to being afraid of risking shoulders injury. And not having the ability to go heavy as in my squats to work my legs well so I would prefer to do the separately. Maybe if it would be promoted in a way that people would "look good" if they do these exercises" that it would get more attention!
If you not an athlete, the deadlift is the one lift that can get you crazy strong and second in place is the squat. Because most people in general have weak lower backs, glutes and hamstrings, the deadlift strengthens all of those
I don’t really understand why someone wouldn’t just do a rdl instead. It’s way more specific to the glutes and hamstring with a lot less risk of injury.
@@jamesrussell5196 Deadlift trains many other muscles like the traps, back and lower back while RDL is more isolated specifically for hamstrings and some glutes. You can safely load the deadlift way more than a RDL which improves general strength more and faster similar to the squat.
@@DKYtut I’d rather just do more rows high bar squat and RDLs since you should already be doing that anyway and since you won’t be deadlifting then you will have more recovery to spare on those other movements
@@DKYtut lmao heavy rdl’s will definitely train traps and lowback, if you are deliberately trying to keep the bar close to your body. That and barbell rows are a recipe for success for the entire back.
Deadlift advantages 1. Builds incredible posterior chain strength of done with proper hinge. 2. Great for grip strength 3. Has a strong anabolic component 4. Excellent overall body developer 5. Obviously great for building strength I’ve found that the disadvantages only get shown if people learn the wrong technique - don’t progress slowly - lift too heavy, too often - don’t do mobility work with it. The deadlift is simply a great a exercise. Almost all compound movements - squat - bench - clean - snatch can do more harm than good if the above are not done. As for programming - one time a week is usually plenty. For beginners who are just getting started, they can often add another variation (trap bar - clean dead - sumo) as an accessory.
Unpopular oppinion,to get the most out of the deadlift and to avoid it's negatives you should for most part do high reps and only 1nce or twice a year do 1RMs,the deadlift gets such a bad rep from most gym rats because they go in and do 1RMs weekly
Your an idiot if u think a 10 rep set of deadlifts produces less fatigue than a heavy single. To avoid the negatives switch variations, train conv and sumo, pull off blocks sometimes.
From what I've found, 3 rep sets around an RPE 8 or 9 seems to be the best for me in terms of joint pain since you overall put your body under less stress with lower reps, as you can't push to your limit too easily as you can with higher reps. Not to mention just getting your body used to higher weights. I used to do sets of 10, but after a month and going for what should've been an easy 2 rep max, I tore a trap and had a terrible pain in my collarbone that still is there 3 years later. Sure, you could target all the other supporting muscles with other exercises also, but not everybody has so much free time each day to train.
@@Mongooooooo I use the conjugate method, work up to a heavy single RPE 9 then all hypertrophy work. I use low axial loading movements for accessories too, other than high rep goodmornings it’s all very easy to recover from stuff. I’m only 20 but I train like I’m 40 lol. Rotating the max effort movements keeps ur body fresh, mixing sumo and conventional, wide and narrow squats, keeps ur back and hips happy.
Having wrestled at the D1 level, our strength and conditioning coaches never once has us deadlift. We did heavy squats, bench and cleans as our main lifts. I now to bjj and it is definitely true that the deadlift is the hardest to recover from, which is why I believe everything he just said in this video. He's not the only one at the professional S & C level with this train of thought. Why do you think that you rarely ever see videos of D1 football players hitting max deadlifts? You will see it of them hitting max bench, squat and clean though.
so much of it inherently i believe has to do with the fact that to really make the deadlift challenging you have to put a ton of weight on it, and then the risk level just gets so easily shot up. it's just not worth it for what it provides
@@DKYtut only deads ive seen combat athletes do are sumo, i dont really see that help anything but getting better at sumo, its mainly phil daru that preaches that that i have seen.
@@MrSpicabooo Some MMA athletes like Max Holloway iirc do hexbar deadlifts because it's easier on the lower back. Have seen kickboxers like Buakaw, Petrosyan, Tenshin Nasukawa and takeru do regular deadlifts but with medium weight.
If i could give every person in the world only one lift, it would be the squat. If i could give two, the deadlift would be second. As a physical therapist, I use it with all of my older adult patients and find great success. It’s also a great functional sciatic nerve glide to improve mild sciatic pain
As an MMA fighter who predominantly focuses on wrestling (especially on the wall) how do you feel about the hex bar deadlift. I tend to do this because it's a bit more upright so less likely to strain back and I never go over a 3-4 rep max, and tend to stay in 5 rep range with weight I could probably do for 7 or 8.
Its more of a squat than a hinge/posterior chain developer. Try rdl’s or seated good mornings. Most of all do highbar squats. Highbar squats will make your dead up without even training it, as for posterior developers, do barbell rows and probably ghr or glute ham nordics
Deadlift is what made me want to go to the gym every day until I moved over to clean pulls and weightlifting. Nothing in the gym used to make me feel as strong as doing deadlifts. Even if I intellectually can understanding deadlift doesn't carry over to other lifts, I refuse to accept it. It's the ultimate mov- no, actually, the zercher deadlift is the ultimate movement you can do. 😍
I'm not sure how you can say with a straight face that deadlift strength doesn't transfer to a clean. Take someone with a 140kg deadlift and have him work up to a max clean, then get his deadlift up to 275kg without doing any cleans during that time. Once he's deadlifting 275kg test his max clean again and you'll find that he can clean a much higher weight than he could when he was only deadlifting 140kg.
@@kylermatsuura7647 I was using an extreme example to illustrate a point. No matter how skilled you are a significant increase in your deadlift will allow you to clean more weight. Dane is being oversimplistic when he says deadlift strength doesn't transfer over to cleans.
Hilarious ending about going back to being an in-school suspension monitor! Also, I really enjoyed the overall format of this video and your points were great!
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I'm 46, as ex basketball player I never really did deadlifts. I opted for olympic weightlifters exercises like clean, clean jumps, snatch... felt I develop more explosive movements that way. And explosiveness and vertical jump was my aim. I was young than, but my cousin was professional weightlifter so I got those movements and technicality of them. And in combination with other exercises I must admit that I achieved my goals. Conventional deadlift for me at that time seemed as more risk than reward. I would do them like few times a year but that was it.
Awesome vid. I ride mountain bikes so I use the trap bar for deads a lot aswell, and feel its really beneficial because of the higher leg involvement.. would love to see you doing a vid like this on the trap bar
I haven't trained the deadlift since the end of 2019 around the time I caught the bug. Ever since then I've been trying to manage any potential CNS fatigue and you can say the last time I actually did a deadlift was what I was doing zercher squats. Cleans are fun. RDLs are fun. Log bar cleans are fun. Zercher deadlifts are hella fun. I'll live without the deadlift.
Deadlift: king of all lifts -- provided good form is maintained. Use the DL for strength and then pair it with bodyweight explosive movements for athleticism. Don't overuse it.
I mostly used both hands over to stimulate grip strength and overall technique. I’m rock and ice climbing instructor and athlete. Heavy swings with pelvic tilt and snap ( for strength not efficient for Kettlebell Sport ) takes care of hip activation. Heal hooks and rocking hips over the feet was easier from the deadlift. Still today, I would be more inclined to use loaded hyperextensions with bench adjustment so the exercise is a HINGE and nortic curls in place of the deadlift….
I dunno I tend to lean more towards rippetoe on this one. Surely the increase in weight you can lift conventional makes you a lot stronger than the snatch and clean grip variations which has a greater transfer due to increased force production. I don't get the posture argument either as who can deadlift a decent amount of weight and is not strong enough to hold good posture? Doesn't make sense to me. I think there's a lot of bad coaches out there (not aimed at garage Stength) which probably accounts for more injuries than the exercise itself. Also people do too many sets as well.
what garage strength talks about is deadlifting for athletes. Avg gym goers train muscle, while athletes train movements. This has a lot to do with neural adaptation and it is what's responsible for transferring to other sports. Also, athletes have to make every exercises in the gym count, because they need the to practice their own sports. Not only snatch and clean make athletes more strong and explosive, they also resemble more of running form. That makes them more efficient exercises to train than deadlift. If you are not a competitive athlete who needs to optimize the reward-fatique ratio on every exercise, deadlift is awesome!
A clean deadlift will mimic a pull for a clean with its start position using more quads, tempo, contact point, basically pulling heavy while staying as close to a clean technique as you can for practice under load
Clean grip is a little wider than normal deadlift due to having to catch the clean in a front rack, maybe thumb lenght to almost a whole hand wider depending on your build. Also normal deadlift tends to have feet a little closer as well compare to a clean stance.
My old weightlifting coach had us doing clean grip and snatch grip deadlifts occasionally. Useful when combined with cleans and clean pulls to get used to heavier loads. But if I'm honest, I didn't like them that much and felt I got most of the same benefit from just doing heavy pulls and put less wear and tear on my hands.
Idk why he calls it clean “grip”. But a clean deadlift is like a deadlift. But u start of from the clean position. U then pull like ur about to do a clean. But ideally the weight is too heavy for u to clean fully. But not too heavy that ur hips shoot up and ur shoulders move forward and ur back rounds. Which then makes it a conventional deadlift. Makes sense?
A clean grip is around a hand width wider than your conventional deadlift grip as it facilitates the rack position. It lengthens the range of motion though so it's not as efficient and you won't be able to lift as much weight
Used to do a lot of deadlifts (including sumo) before switching more to Weightlifting and CrossFit. I have done away with it since I do a lot of cleans, snatches, and squats. Even after not actually doing a deadlift it still goes up. Realized the pulls I do already add to it plus I need lots of recovery time after. Do not enjoy it, but it is a good way to test the grind every now and then.
Seems most of these points are for heavy deadlifts, would you still rate deadlift badly for sports performance when performed in the higher reps range?
I wouldn't mind a £ for every deadlift injury I've seen- and had lol... I suspect too many push too close to 1RM too often- leading to poor form and cat backs - hence the injuries !
FWIW, I basically never deadlifted as a wrestler. It was all power cleans. Kinda interesting that I could pull 405 conventional without really training the deadlift.
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Conventional deadlift from the floor using max or near max weight is no doubt the most demanding lift. I agree with you in that context only. Otherwise, variations of deadlift like RDL, Block Pull, Trap/Hex Bar Deadlift, etc. are quite good choices for anyone including athletes, and are quite comparable to heavy squats or other demanding lifts in terms of recovery. As far as safety is concerned, every physically engaging activity is risky to various degree, and exercises are no exception. Even bicep curls would hurt if your form is sloppy.
in college we had way too many athletes mess up a season due to deadlifting and the competitive nature of the weightroom getting to them. i was a futures / small conference level tennis player and the summer after college i took time off to just do a shit ton of crossfit (i know boneheaded) and a deadlift-based workout for speed fucked me up for years. there's clearly benefits to the deadlift but as robert oberst said it's about RISK VS REWARD
This is a very professional approach to exercise selection. No dogma, just facts. I would even point out that for general fitness and gen. pop, trap bar or heavy KB deadlift is usually a better variation than barbell. I don’t think most people follow the conventional hinge pattern when picking up an object in the “wild.” Back angle will look more like trap bar, clean pull, or even stone to lap movement pattern.
Deadlifts rock. Most people lift too much weight and use bad form to achieve a magical number ("I deadlift 480"). You WILL eventually f up your back and be lifting 280 in no time. Try a hex bar - just seems to be more natural Use proper form - especially use those core muscles for stabilization. Even if you have to drop a plate off the bar. Deadlifts are an OP core exercise done properly. Screw crunches and faddish ab exercises. Deadlifts will give you core stability that will blow everything else away.
Sorry, i don't understand why u can't train them together DL and Clean? Alternate week to week or wednesday and saturday. Of course, i don't mean WR but just taking care of the body.
imo even for general fitness i don't like the deadlift because the worst thing that can happen to a person like that is being injured and it raises the risk level too much. obviously if you're a powerlifter or strongman, deadlifting is literally your sport so you have to practice it
Track coach here. Done right, the DL can be he foundation for explosive lifts and strength from a low position. The battle I fight is when kids come from another sport, that rhymes with soot ball, and they get all butt hurt because I tell them to drop weight until I see them do the lift in a way that mimics an athletic movement. Sometimes, we have to drop to 50% of their 1RM to get them to show me the technique I want. Then they and their other sport’s coaches get all pissy because we’re doing light weight.
Strongmen lift with rounded backs all the time (like when picking up atlas stones). I'm inclined to think that the whole 'rounded back is bad' idea is a myth just like 'ron't let your knees pass your toes. The only thing that causes me doubt is that there are many experienced lifters/coaches who still advocate keeping a neutral spine.
Rounding your back with intent and control is good for the spine and helps you adapt however during movements that are high load and non specific to the spine you should keep a neutral posture to optimise brace and strength
The deadlift is my favorite lift. When doing powerlifting, it’s just become obvious to me that most lifters become better squatters by squatting, benchers by benching, this doesn’t seem to work for deadlifting, deadlifting seems to be more dependent on strengthening other movements.
I have always been pro deadlift for myofibrillar development, conditioning the CNS and for testing overall strength and force production however beyond that the carryovers to any other exercise are virtually none existent as mentioned above a few exercises carryover to the DL eg 1st squats 2nd leg press and maybe bent over rows to a more or lesser degree however to me this is what makes a good tester of overall strength however because of the toll it takes on the CNS the stronger and more efficient you get at it the less it can be utilised for example i used to DL every week as i got stronger that went down to every fortnight now it is every 3 weeks!
Here's my question: I broke my back several years ago, is the deadlift something to avoid for general fitness and strength purposes (I'm turning 39 in April so the sport component is a non-factor for me at this stage of my life)? The doctors and physical therapists have never forbidden it or any other lift, saying instead just be smart and to focus on technique rather than how heavy I can lift, BUT some of the physical therapists weren't keen on me deadlifting. Are there alternatives to the deadlift for someone with my kind of injury that can replicate the benefits of the deadlift but with less potential risk? It may be an unfair question without seeing all my medical paperwork lol, but thought I'd ask nevertheless. Love the channels and the info you offer!
@@GarageStrength I have honestly been struggling with the deadlift for such a long time. I can't keep my back straight. That's why I keep doing it. Because I am determined to learn the proper technique. This video has convinced me to approach it differently though. So yeah. I agree with it being a big flex. Congrats on pulling 754 lbs. 200+ kg is my life goal. These videos are so good btw. You really deserve 10 mill subs. This channel has become my nr 1 source for fitness info. Huge thanks to the team, and good luck to all the athletes.
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This video really opened my eyes on the wrong workouts people and I have been focusing on in the gym due to the bodybuilding culture promoted isolation workouts.
I rather should have focused on exercises that make you do 2 or 3 exercises at once.
As you said cleans that make you do a deadlift and practice your stability position for a front squat.
And even you can transition it into a shoulder press.
I dont have the confidence or think its risky overall to focus on a heavy ass Olympic squat due to being afraid of risking shoulders injury.
And not having the ability to go heavy as in my squats to work my legs well so I would prefer to do the separately.
Maybe if it would be promoted in a way that people would "look good" if they do these exercises" that it would get more attention!
If you not an athlete, the deadlift is the one lift that can get you crazy strong and second in place is the squat. Because most people in general have weak lower backs, glutes and hamstrings, the deadlift strengthens all of those
I don’t really understand why someone wouldn’t just do a rdl instead. It’s way more specific to the glutes and hamstring with a lot less risk of injury.
@@jamesrussell5196 Deadlift trains many other muscles like the traps, back and lower back while RDL is more isolated specifically for hamstrings and some glutes. You can safely load the deadlift way more than a RDL which improves general strength more and faster similar to the squat.
@@DKYtut I’d rather just do more rows high bar squat and RDLs since you should already be doing that anyway and since you won’t be deadlifting then you will have more recovery to spare on those other movements
@@DKYtut lmao heavy rdl’s will definitely train traps and lowback, if you are deliberately trying to keep the bar close to your body. That and barbell rows are a recipe for success for the entire back.
@@jamesrussell5196 my thoughts exactly. My deadlift has gone up just doing highbar, rows and rdls
Deadlift advantages
1. Builds incredible posterior chain strength of done with proper hinge.
2. Great for grip strength
3. Has a strong anabolic component
4. Excellent overall body developer
5. Obviously great for building strength
I’ve found that the disadvantages only get shown if people learn the wrong technique - don’t progress slowly - lift too heavy, too often - don’t do mobility work with it.
The deadlift is simply a great a exercise. Almost all compound movements - squat - bench - clean - snatch can do more harm than good if the above are not done.
As for programming - one time a week is usually plenty. For beginners who are just getting started, they can often add another variation (trap bar - clean dead - sumo) as an accessory.
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Unpopular oppinion,to get the most out of the deadlift and to avoid it's negatives you should for most part do high reps and only 1nce or twice a year do 1RMs,the deadlift gets such a bad rep from most gym rats because they go in and do 1RMs weekly
Seems like good advice for every single lift.
Your an idiot if u think a 10 rep set of deadlifts produces less fatigue than a heavy single. To avoid the negatives switch variations, train conv and sumo, pull off blocks sometimes.
From what I've found, 3 rep sets around an RPE 8 or 9 seems to be the best for me in terms of joint pain since you overall put your body under less stress with lower reps, as you can't push to your limit too easily as you can with higher reps. Not to mention just getting your body used to higher weights. I used to do sets of 10, but after a month and going for what should've been an easy 2 rep max, I tore a trap and had a terrible pain in my collarbone that still is there 3 years later. Sure, you could target all the other supporting muscles with other exercises also, but not everybody has so much free time each day to train.
@@Mongooooooo I use the conjugate method, work up to a heavy single RPE 9 then all hypertrophy work. I use low axial loading movements for accessories too, other than high rep goodmornings it’s all very easy to recover from stuff. I’m only 20 but I train like I’m 40 lol. Rotating the max effort movements keeps ur body fresh, mixing sumo and conventional, wide and narrow squats, keeps ur back and hips happy.
Facts, testing 1 RM is done too much nowadays, which is bad not just for sports specific training, but just for general health
Having wrestled at the D1 level, our strength and conditioning coaches never once has us deadlift. We did heavy squats, bench and cleans as our main lifts. I now to bjj and it is definitely true that the deadlift is the hardest to recover from, which is why I believe everything he just said in this video. He's not the only one at the professional S & C level with this train of thought. Why do you think that you rarely ever see videos of D1 football players hitting max deadlifts? You will see it of them hitting max bench, squat and clean though.
so much of it inherently i believe has to do with the fact that to really make the deadlift challenging you have to put a ton of weight on it, and then the risk level just gets so easily shot up. it's just not worth it for what it provides
@@youngsuit It depends on the sport, max effort deadlifts are quite common for combat athletes.
@@DKYtut only deads ive seen combat athletes do are sumo, i dont really see that help anything but getting better at sumo, its mainly phil daru that preaches that that i have seen.
@@MrSpicabooo Some MMA athletes like Max Holloway iirc do hexbar deadlifts because it's easier on the lower back. Have seen kickboxers like Buakaw, Petrosyan, Tenshin Nasukawa and takeru do regular deadlifts but with medium weight.
Jon Jones deadlifts in his strength and conditioning routine. So I believe it Definitely helps combat sports athletes day all around stronger
If i could give every person in the world only one lift, it would be the squat. If i could give two, the deadlift would be second. As a physical therapist, I use it with all of my older adult patients and find great success. It’s also a great functional sciatic nerve glide to improve mild sciatic pain
As an MMA fighter who predominantly focuses on wrestling (especially on the wall) how do you feel about the hex bar deadlift. I tend to do this because it's a bit more upright so less likely to strain back and I never go over a 3-4 rep max, and tend to stay in 5 rep range with weight I could probably do for 7 or 8.
Its great but why you lifting like a pussy that dont work
Its more of a squat than a hinge/posterior chain developer. Try rdl’s or seated good mornings. Most of all do highbar squats. Highbar squats will make your dead up without even training it, as for posterior developers, do barbell rows and probably ghr or glute ham nordics
do cleans and power cleans instead. much better for wrestling imo.
Deadlift is what made me want to go to the gym every day until I moved over to clean pulls and weightlifting. Nothing in the gym used to make me feel as strong as doing deadlifts.
Even if I intellectually can understanding deadlift doesn't carry over to other lifts, I refuse to accept it. It's the ultimate mov- no, actually, the zercher deadlift is the ultimate movement you can do. 😍
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I'm not sure how you can say with a straight face that deadlift strength doesn't transfer to a clean. Take someone with a 140kg deadlift and have him work up to a max clean, then get his deadlift up to 275kg without doing any cleans during that time. Once he's deadlifting 275kg test his max clean again and you'll find that he can clean a much higher weight than he could when he was only deadlifting 140kg.
@@kylermatsuura7647 I was using an extreme example to illustrate a point. No matter how skilled you are a significant increase in your deadlift will allow you to clean more weight. Dane is being oversimplistic when he says deadlift strength doesn't transfer over to cleans.
Hilarious ending about going back to being an in-school suspension monitor! Also, I really enjoyed the overall format of this video and your points were great!
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I'm 46, as ex basketball player I never really did deadlifts. I opted for olympic weightlifters exercises like clean, clean jumps, snatch... felt I develop more explosive movements that way. And explosiveness and vertical jump was my aim. I was young than, but my cousin was professional weightlifter so I got those movements and technicality of them. And in combination with other exercises I must admit that I achieved my goals.
Conventional deadlift for me at that time seemed as more risk than reward. I would do them like few times a year but that was it.
Awesome vid. I ride mountain bikes so I use the trap bar for deads a lot aswell, and feel its really beneficial because of the higher leg involvement.. would love to see you doing a vid like this on the trap bar
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I haven't trained the deadlift since the end of 2019 around the time I caught the bug. Ever since then I've been trying to manage any potential CNS fatigue and you can say the last time I actually did a deadlift was what I was doing zercher squats. Cleans are fun. RDLs are fun. Log bar cleans are fun. Zercher deadlifts are hella fun. I'll live without the deadlift.
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Deadlift: king of all lifts -- provided good form is maintained. Use the DL for strength and then pair it with bodyweight explosive movements for athleticism. Don't overuse it.
I mostly used both hands over to stimulate grip strength and overall technique. I’m rock and ice climbing instructor and athlete. Heavy swings with pelvic tilt and snap ( for strength not efficient for Kettlebell Sport ) takes care of hip activation. Heal hooks and rocking hips over the feet was easier from the deadlift. Still today, I would be more inclined to use loaded hyperextensions with bench adjustment so the exercise is a HINGE and nortic curls in place of the deadlift….
Nordic curls
great video
I dunno I tend to lean more towards rippetoe on this one. Surely the increase in weight you can lift conventional makes you a lot stronger than the snatch and clean grip variations which has a greater transfer due to increased force production. I don't get the posture argument either as who can deadlift a decent amount of weight and is not strong enough to hold good posture? Doesn't make sense to me. I think there's a lot of bad coaches out there (not aimed at garage Stength) which probably accounts for more injuries than the exercise itself. Also people do too many sets as well.
what garage strength talks about is deadlifting for athletes. Avg gym goers train muscle, while athletes train movements. This has a lot to do with neural adaptation and it is what's responsible for transferring to other sports. Also, athletes have to make every exercises in the gym count, because they need the to practice their own sports. Not only snatch and clean make athletes more strong and explosive, they also resemble more of running form. That makes them more efficient exercises to train than deadlift. If you are not a competitive athlete who needs to optimize the reward-fatique ratio on every exercise, deadlift is awesome!
Just pounded out a bunch of dumbbell deadlifts this AM at the gym.
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What’s the difference between a deadlift and a clean grip deadlift?
Catalyst Athletics has a video on it
A clean deadlift will mimic a pull for a clean with its start position using more quads, tempo, contact point, basically pulling heavy while staying as close to a clean technique as you can for practice under load
Clean grip is a little wider than normal deadlift due to having to catch the clean in a front rack, maybe thumb lenght to almost a whole hand wider depending on your build. Also normal deadlift tends to have feet a little closer as well compare to a clean stance.
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So the trap bar deadlift doesn't increase pulling strength or build real life overall functional strength like the conventional deadlift?
You have the trifecta. Neck to arms to calves. Same.
I’ve built such a habit doing low bar back squat high bar feels weird
I think deadlift transfers good on barbell rows, pull ups and also bpress... am I the only one?
It's the lift that takes me the longest time to recover. But atter a couple of days, I feel like my swim stroke is stronger. I also like trap bar dl.
I have read that the trapbar deadlift is the best variation for athletes. Any truth to this?
He recommends them in some videos
@@wombatpuppy4436 thanks for confirming
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My old weightlifting coach had us doing clean grip and snatch grip deadlifts occasionally. Useful when combined with cleans and clean pulls to get used to heavier loads. But if I'm honest, I didn't like them that much and felt I got most of the same benefit from just doing heavy pulls and put less wear and tear on my hands.
Good video Dane.
Glad you liked it!
The fact that you explain your personal bias which for you is sport performance, really helps to gauge whether we would benefit from the dead lift
What is the difference between conventional DL and clean grip DL?
Idk why he calls it clean “grip”. But a clean deadlift is like a deadlift. But u start of from the clean position. U then pull like ur about to do a clean. But ideally the weight is too heavy for u to clean fully. But not too heavy that ur hips shoot up and ur shoulders move forward and ur back rounds. Which then makes it a conventional deadlift. Makes sense?
A clean grip is around a hand width wider than your conventional deadlift grip as it facilitates the rack position. It lengthens the range of motion though so it's not as efficient and you won't be able to lift as much weight
Is good deadlift for a wresling?
I just put in my headphones and pretend I'm Klokov, snatch grip deads are a weekly thing for me
Great video.
Im hiting 40 now, tray to stay healty and strong. Im dead lift about 10th day. Simo or convential.
Used to do a lot of deadlifts (including sumo) before switching more to Weightlifting and CrossFit. I have done away with it since I do a lot of cleans, snatches, and squats. Even after not actually doing a deadlift it still goes up. Realized the pulls I do already add to it plus I need lots of recovery time after.
Do not enjoy it, but it is a good way to test the grind every now and then.
Coach love your content. Does the deadlift help at all with soccer?
It’s more difficult to feel like a monster ripping the roof of a car off while you are deadlifting compared to what snatch high pulls feel like.
Seems most of these points are for heavy deadlifts, would you still rate deadlift badly for sports performance when performed in the higher reps range?
Missed out on trap bar deadlift, a lot of athletes use it right? Im a distance runner and i see a lot of pro runnwrs use it too
All time 705 dead Lift in socks?? Is there grip on them?
I wouldn't mind a £ for every deadlift injury I've seen- and had lol...
I suspect too many push too close to 1RM too often- leading to poor form and cat backs - hence the injuries !
So…you’re saying that your arms aren’t cold?
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FWIW, I basically never deadlifted as a wrestler. It was all power cleans. Kinda interesting that I could pull 405 conventional without really training the deadlift.
Deficit snatch deadlift ftw!
Wait wtf. What's with the romanian vest? Is it just as a meme, or did you train any romanian team/athlete? Greetings from Romania :)
Nothing has done more for my posture than getting my deadlift up past 450.
If your back doesn’t snap while lifting you’re doing the deadlift wrong
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Coming from the guy who lifted 500 pounds, every hour on the hour, for 24 hours....
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Your back will pay the price as well.
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Conventional deadlift from the floor using max or near max weight is no doubt the most demanding lift. I agree with you in that context only.
Otherwise, variations of deadlift like RDL, Block Pull, Trap/Hex Bar Deadlift, etc. are quite good choices for anyone including athletes, and are quite comparable to heavy squats or other demanding lifts in terms of recovery.
As far as safety is concerned, every physically engaging activity is risky to various degree, and exercises are no exception. Even bicep curls would hurt if your form is sloppy.
in college we had way too many athletes mess up a season due to deadlifting and the competitive nature of the weightroom getting to them. i was a futures / small conference level tennis player and the summer after college i took time off to just do a shit ton of crossfit (i know boneheaded) and a deadlift-based workout for speed fucked me up for years. there's clearly benefits to the deadlift but as robert oberst said it's about RISK VS REWARD
not coming from an increasing athletic prowess view. bust full body move there is
This is a very professional approach to exercise selection. No dogma, just facts. I would even point out that for general fitness and gen. pop, trap bar or heavy KB deadlift is usually a better variation than barbell. I don’t think most people follow the conventional hinge pattern when picking up an object in the “wild.” Back angle will look more like trap bar, clean pull, or even stone to lap movement pattern.
Deadlifts rock. Most people lift too much weight and use bad form to achieve a magical number ("I deadlift 480"). You WILL eventually f up your back and be lifting 280 in no time.
Try a hex bar - just seems to be more natural
Use proper form - especially use those core muscles for stabilization. Even if you have to drop a plate off the bar. Deadlifts are an OP core exercise done properly. Screw crunches and faddish ab exercises. Deadlifts will give you core stability that will blow everything else away.
Sorry, i don't understand why u can't train them together DL and Clean? Alternate week to week or wednesday and saturday. Of course, i don't mean WR but just taking care of the body.
imo even for general fitness i don't like the deadlift because the worst thing that can happen to a person like that is being injured and it raises the risk level too much. obviously if you're a powerlifter or strongman, deadlifting is literally your sport so you have to practice it
Why isn’t the hex bar/trap bar dead lift mentioned? It mitigates some of the issues mentioned.
Track coach here. Done right, the DL can be he foundation for explosive lifts and strength from a low position. The battle I fight is when kids come from another sport, that rhymes with soot ball, and they get all butt hurt because I tell them to drop weight until I see them do the lift in a way that mimics an athletic movement. Sometimes, we have to drop to 50% of their 1RM to get them to show me the technique I want. Then they and their other sport’s coaches get all pissy because we’re doing light weight.
Strongmen lift with rounded backs all the time (like when picking up atlas stones). I'm inclined to think that the whole 'rounded back is bad' idea is a myth just like 'ron't let your knees pass your toes. The only thing that causes me doubt is that there are many experienced lifters/coaches who still advocate keeping a neutral spine.
Rounding your back with intent and control is good for the spine and helps you adapt however during movements that are high load and non specific to the spine you should keep a neutral posture to optimise brace and strength
Hope this helps
as long as low back doesn't round u good
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What excersises should I do for hammies, but to keep my speed and elasticity? Is clean pull and nordics ok? I do romanian DL as fast as I can.
You could grab a page out of the westside barbell methods and do banded leg curls. Or banded pulls/glute ham raises. Bands are great for speed work.
@@hippie_4762 thanks bro. Will try that
Do you deadlift with that vest on, Dane? :)
just like other exercises. the vest stays on 😏
The deadlift is my favorite lift. When doing powerlifting, it’s just become obvious to me that most lifters become better squatters by squatting, benchers by benching, this doesn’t seem to work for deadlifting, deadlifting seems to be more dependent on strengthening other movements.
I have always been pro deadlift for myofibrillar development, conditioning the CNS and for testing overall strength and force production however beyond that the carryovers to any other exercise are virtually none existent as mentioned above a few exercises carryover to the DL eg 1st squats 2nd leg press and maybe bent over rows to a more or lesser degree however to me this is what makes a good tester of overall strength however because of the toll it takes on the CNS the stronger and more efficient you get at it the less it can be utilised for example i used to DL every week as i got stronger that went down to every fortnight now it is every 3 weeks!
just curious if you would use a light speed deadlift with a clean grip to work on the start of a clean
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Here's my question:
I broke my back several years ago, is the deadlift something to avoid for general fitness and strength purposes (I'm turning 39 in April so the sport component is a non-factor for me at this stage of my life)? The doctors and physical therapists have never forbidden it or any other lift, saying instead just be smart and to focus on technique rather than how heavy I can lift, BUT some of the physical therapists weren't keen on me deadlifting. Are there alternatives to the deadlift for someone with my kind of injury that can replicate the benefits of the deadlift but with less potential risk?
It may be an unfair question without seeing all my medical paperwork lol, but thought I'd ask nevertheless.
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Try trap bar deadlift
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Great info!
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@@GarageStrength I have honestly been struggling with the deadlift for such a long time. I can't keep my back straight. That's why I keep doing it. Because I am determined to learn the proper technique.
This video has convinced me to approach it differently though. So yeah.
I agree with it being a big flex. Congrats on pulling 754 lbs. 200+ kg is my life goal.
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I am so satisfied to see this video after I decided to change my main lift from conventional to snatch grip.
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And if you’re a strongman athlete you need to deadlift
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Powerclean show off in HS weight training class injury … points at self. 🤐