The Battle of Cannae (216 B.C.E.)

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    Music is Beethoven's Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111 - I. Maestoso - Allegro con brio ed appassionato, performed by Daniel Veesey

ความคิดเห็น • 173

  • @luqcrusher
    @luqcrusher 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7800

    "My boy Caesar would've never done this"
    Best line.

  • @Burkutace27
    @Burkutace27 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2081

    To paraphrase Christopher Walken; Hannibal's art was war, and Cannae was his masterpiece.

  • @artman40
    @artman40 8 ปีที่แล้ว +970

    0:41 No ambushes, infantry only, flat field!

  • @nastrael
    @nastrael 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1144

    Huh, it kinda looked like Hannibal was painting Rome red at the end, there.

  • @skowollon84
    @skowollon84 8 ปีที่แล้ว +674

    the convex shape of the frontline was no mistake. with light troops in the center the higher flexibility was given. the flanks with the heavy troops did not have to move much meaning they did not have to "waste" fitness on running or charging but on fighting completly. with the flexible center that could avoid the roman heavy attack, that was like a sword steam roller, from getting their advantage and the surrounding of the horsemen this convex shape was a true masterpiece of tactical schedule.
    hannibal took the strength of the romans and converted it into a weakness. what a genius !!

  • @KomodoDojo
    @KomodoDojo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +381

    This happened today Aug 2nd exactly 2,200 years ago

  • @Pokemonlin99
    @Pokemonlin99 8 ปีที่แล้ว +278

    Hannibal was in the center, controlling the people there, but he was also there fighting. Perhaps it was a morale booster.

  • @JollyRogersBoy666
    @JollyRogersBoy666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +987

    the only reason Rome eventually won the war is because they were mainly fighting Hannibal, not another comparable empire.

  • @TheDolphins087
    @TheDolphins087 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2149

    Hannibal is a boss lol

    • @blazinchalice
      @blazinchalice 9 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      TheDolphins087 Hannibal is the boss of bosses. The Greatest Of All TIme.

    • @Subsandsoda
      @Subsandsoda 8 ปีที่แล้ว +246

      He was a great general, but in the end he achieved nothing.

    • @contr_art
      @contr_art 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      +biggieboy2510 Robb Stark looool

    • @justamadmax3849
      @justamadmax3849 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +biggieboy2510 like i said if he followed my tactics as well as his he would of won you can't win a war if you have very little to use as in population pluss the towns lost to there destruction would mean less industries and farms to use so rome loses resources and there for flexibility he needed to trap them within them selves first and carthage needed to rebuild its fleet around that time and sink alot of roman vessals trying by seartain hit and run tactics like I said if your gonna face rome wittle them down they believe they will always win so use there tenacity against them and go for there allys the captured little towns and cities not the city of rome itself go for that last deal with its allies kill them off or they will surender either way there broken on to the next and then when rome is alone and traped go in for the kill.

    • @justamadmax3849
      @justamadmax3849 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      actually the roamns had tactics to defeat them is called defencive testudo you aint beteating that if they create a square formation and bomb you with artilery

  • @0hn0haha
    @0hn0haha 8 ปีที่แล้ว +453

    Btw, should cover Fabian strategy, pretty sick stuff but hated by the Romans.

  • @maxedgardogarcia
    @maxedgardogarcia 9 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    I just love this channel.

    • @SierraTango00
      @SierraTango00 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Me too lol

    • @tytube3001
      @tytube3001 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      maxedgardogarcia but he might go crazy

  • @alpha0090
    @alpha0090 8 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    A lot of people seem to be focusing on the ingenious tactics that Hannibal implemented, I give him credit for that as well since the three battles that I've seen so far surprised me with how well he led his armies. But the biggest surprise and admiration that I had when watching this goes to the Roman government. That unyielding spirit really resonates with me, they had 3 consecutive VERY heavy losses but did not yield the fight and albeit won the war in the end. That is harder to accomplish than winning a battle or two and shows how not everything can be won by military might, though don't get me wrong Hannibal's feats were truly out of this world as well.

  • @RacinZilla003
    @RacinZilla003 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2086

    And then the forces of House Arryn came and saved the Romans...
    oh, wrong battle

  • @privatparts3659
    @privatparts3659 8 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    Hannibal also put his heavy pikes on the flanks with them he could force the Romans together. You also completly miss one more fatal mistake by the Romans, they reduced the space in between the soldiers so they could get more men in(sounds good). However this gave little space to swing the sword and to maneuver and the soldiers where not trained to fight that densely packed. And once they where being pushed together even more by the Carthaginians it was impossible for them to fight.

  • @trance8695
    @trance8695 7 ปีที่แล้ว +475

    Perhaps it would be good to include that the 70.000 death are according to Polybius, while most historians follow the 42600 stated by Livius.
    14.000 Legionairies managed to break through the Carthaginian center and flee to Canusium.

  • @Tdoggiedy
    @Tdoggiedy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Your channel is a breath of fresh air

  • @kunven
    @kunven 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    i like how the music intensifies when you say "its a disaster" at 7:10

  • @RoaringEgg
    @RoaringEgg 8 ปีที่แล้ว +407

    Wonder what would of happened if Hannibal won the war against Rome.

  • @Marcow321
    @Marcow321 8 ปีที่แล้ว +355

    Wasn't Scipio at the battle and lived to later defeat Hannibal ?

  • @gamerdude1246
    @gamerdude1246 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1337

    The Carthaginians had the worst politicians of all time, refusing to support Hannibal even after the annihilation of the standing Roman army at Cannae. Rome's culture of never yielding won them the war, while the defeatist Carthage got destroyed. Rome is truly the greatest civilization to exist in human history.

    • @pk1dyer
      @pk1dyer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      +Gamerdude1246 Rome, was not the greatest, the Chinese Dynasties have a more rich culture, and a lot more wars.

    • @gamerdude1246
      @gamerdude1246 8 ปีที่แล้ว +404

      pk1dyer Rome became a superpower because of it's unyielding spirit in front of overwhelming odds, that's why in my opinion, Rome is the greatest civilization on Earth. All great superpowers were minor powers once, the United States, France, United Kingdom, the Mongols, etc. What matters is how they rose to become a superpower. China is awesome, but it is the most old and pacifist civilization on Earth. The Chinese aren't remembered for wars, rather for culture and technology.

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 8 ปีที่แล้ว +182

      As much as I hate to admit it, you're probably right. Rome didn't always have the best heroes, but they never stopped playing to win.

    • @wasumyon6147
      @wasumyon6147 8 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      +Gamerdude1246 Though I thank you for your kind reading of history, you don't dominate a region that stretched to Iran and beyond by being simply being pacifist. The wars in China are far from forgotten, their stories just aren't well studied and passed down here, just as Rome isn't over there.

  • @peterryan7729
    @peterryan7729 8 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    The Roman maniple formation was created specifically for fighting on mountainous Italian terrain as a direct result of the failure of the phalanx on said terrain. This was learned early on in the Republic in the Samnite Wars where they replaced the phalanx--borrowed from the Greeks--with the three line maniple, or "phalanx with joints." That is why it seems odd to say that the Romans would have preferred a fair fight on flat land, when their formations were specifically adept at hill fighting from their experience fighting other Italian city-states along the Apennine Mountains.

  • @lilestfozzy
    @lilestfozzy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Some suspect the convex formation was to mitigate the effect of any skirmishers and javelins the Romen infantry might have. A bent line looks perfectly flat when neither side has an advantage In height after all.

  • @carlos89784
    @carlos89784 8 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Impressive that Hannibal. Now I understand: - "Hannibal ad portas"
    And after all that 30 more years... Oh man! No wonder the Romans had such a spirit of fight and took almost every land they could reach.
    Great channel! Excellent work.

  • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
    @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser 7 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Comment section flooded with kids typing "Battle of the bastards".

  • @sidneyboakye4662
    @sidneyboakye4662 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    OMG, my best friend has been yearning for a military history unit since the 6th grade! This is EXACTLY what he needs (With all the times he is youtubing >.>) can't wait to show him!

  • @Bigcal1292
    @Bigcal1292 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Have you thought about making a video with the people over at Extra Credit? They are doing a history series about Justinian. You could totally do a battle recreation for one of the battles during Justinian's rule. I would love to see more people get a chance to look at your awesome content.

  • @bushwhakked
    @bushwhakked 8 ปีที่แล้ว +721

    When did Hannibal change his last name from Barca to Lecter?

  • @bkjohnson
    @bkjohnson 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This channel is amazing!

  • @pepevillamor2757
    @pepevillamor2757 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Congratulations for your battle videos they are awesome. It would be great to see more of them.

  • @BaconHat
    @BaconHat 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    yet another great video!

  • @daipick
    @daipick 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome vid. Keep up the good work !

  • @sultanator
    @sultanator 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome. Just love your videos. Keep on doing this stuff.

  • @Skoogplay125
    @Skoogplay125 9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I was waiting eagerly for this!

    • @Skoogplay125
      @Skoogplay125 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And I wasn't disappointed! If I had money I could throw at you I would most certainly do it! Thank you and please continue! You make these so well.

  • @antonioarim6155
    @antonioarim6155 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    my boy Caesar! that shit had me laughin

  • @johnbihn8141
    @johnbihn8141 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos! Keep it up!

  • @karmazon
    @karmazon 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another HC battle video, it was a good day.

  • @maxoltersdorf6108
    @maxoltersdorf6108 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another awesome video. You are my only subscription and I look forward to every video

  • @dylanbailey8464
    @dylanbailey8464 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Unlike in most roman history, they didn't adapt there military strategy when confronted with Hannibal. They just kept forcing the center, falling for Hannibal trap like an novice.

  • @DavidAWA
    @DavidAWA 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such great videos. I have a new thing to watch

  • @imnw2263
    @imnw2263 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great series! liked and subbed

  • @ShowTheOreo
    @ShowTheOreo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    More battle vids please! I love these!

  • @masonmason22
    @masonmason22 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.

  • @Snout007
    @Snout007 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing video.

  • @JonesDawg
    @JonesDawg 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative, thanks!

  • @IRussian007
    @IRussian007 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some things aren't shown in some videos but over all, i aprecciate this channel. Subscribed

  • @iWizzleGaming
    @iWizzleGaming 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video again, I subscribed four hours before this was released and I have to say that I'm really impressed by your knowledge and your simplistic yet elegant animations. Keep it up man!

  • @arvindalexander1884
    @arvindalexander1884 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Congrats, Historia Civilis is undoubtedly the best channel on War! The tactics of Athenians Miltiades and Themistocles against Darius' Persians at Marathon in 490 BC are similar to Cannae, but on a smaller scale. Brilliant Arab general Khalid bin Walid in 633, employed a mix of Cannae(double envelopement) and Trebbia(cavalry force in ambush) to annihilate the Persians at Walaja. Will Durant terms Cannae "the most imitated battle in history.

  • @AAARREUUUGHHHH
    @AAARREUUUGHHHH 9 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Do the battle of Zama next! The Romans finally beating Hannibal.

  • @Nathan-nr5lg
    @Nathan-nr5lg 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Hannibal knew how to gain victory, but he did not know how to use it

  • @dayofhappiness
    @dayofhappiness 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The Soviet General Zhukov used Hannibal's tactics at the battle Khalkhin Gol . Zhukov's army destroyed the Japanese Kwantung Army !!!

  • @JustCauseVids
    @JustCauseVids 9 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    brilliant video! but you need a new microphone, sounds terrible currently.

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Should have asked commenters to name battles since then that resemble Cannae. The Battle of the Bulge can be viewed as Cannae on a bigger field over a longer period but with the same outcome.

  • @thegamingtyrant9154
    @thegamingtyrant9154 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Goes to show the biggest threat to a world power is always the underdog, the most unexpected. The ones best at guerrilla warfare and ambush tactics. The smartest.

    • @PMMagro
      @PMMagro 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Seth B. Carthege was the underdog.
      Rome was incerdibly good at recruting new soliders and keeping allies, despite terrible losses
      In Italy itself, where the battles gad been fought and Hannibals army was still around nearby.

    • @timothyheimbach3260
      @timothyheimbach3260 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Timothy Heimbach correction, wasn't the underdog

  • @turinturambar7311
    @turinturambar7311 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It is a damn shame this channel gets so few views

  • @alimjanyasin3649
    @alimjanyasin3649 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    really cool video. is there such video about modern war?

  • @n0denz
    @n0denz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Watching your video on the three stages of evolution for the Roman military, you stress the Roman cultural disposition for adapting to their weaknesses after defeats. Why then, in your opinion, was Rome so slow to change their tactics when fighting Hannibal?

  • @noahqiu8016
    @noahqiu8016 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice-Beethoven's piano sonata no. 32

  • @legionxiii8055
    @legionxiii8055 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Cannae win this battle?-Roman Consul

  • @samueljantz7924
    @samueljantz7924 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A wonderful video but if I may ask, where did you get your numbers for the Roman force? The reading I've done on the battle put the total for the Roman force at between 65,0000 to 70,000, though like any ancient battle the sources disagree on the actual numbers.

  • @RonaldHapchwarae
    @RonaldHapchwarae 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If only the senate pf Carthage was as jingoistic as Rome's history would be so different.

  • @gammarays666
    @gammarays666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this very informative ancient battles. You've just got one subbed. ;)

    • @NoveskeYT
      @NoveskeYT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably because people aren't interested with history these days.

  • @0hn0haha
    @0hn0haha 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    BEETHOVEN!

  • @Lennert102
    @Lennert102 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Zama Regia to top things off? great channel by the way

  • @andrewunrue4785
    @andrewunrue4785 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Please, please, please do a series like this but about Alexander's campaign in Persia

  • @danrich92
    @danrich92 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    how could he/they have coordinated this? totally crazy. the only theory i have is such good scouting or spies that he somehow knew exactly what formation the romans would be fighting in, and then ordering the inward charge to start from the back of the carthaginian wings as soon as they were threatened with being flanked by the roman center. thoughts on how this was so well done?

  • @computo2000
    @computo2000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kind of remind me the surrounding techniques of the oblique phalanx.

  • @littleengineer5151
    @littleengineer5151 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you please make another video about one of ceacar his victories?

  • @HitmanNr47
    @HitmanNr47 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Are the numbers regarding manpower reliable?

  • @michaelcrowe6796
    @michaelcrowe6796 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7.16 its a space invaded. Hannibal was a time traveller

  • @fallofcry
    @fallofcry 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im waiting for Zama!
    Great video.

  • @markalan7265
    @markalan7265 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Was it the River Aufidius on the Romans right?

  • @Shark2th5000
    @Shark2th5000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Battle of Zama pls

  • @kevinjohnson6531
    @kevinjohnson6531 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thats pretty much how it happend. Sun Tzu would have been prowd

  • @Sniperwolf95
    @Sniperwolf95 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't the Battle of Cannae the second Punic War? He said it was the third in the beginning of the video.

  • @calebcali1482
    @calebcali1482 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and from the little I know it should have been easy to break through...cause Hannibals guys wou be spread super thin if they surrounded an army bigger tha theirs

  • @rongnui1491997
    @rongnui1491997 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you make the Battle of Metaurus and Battle of Zama ? love your channel

  • @ComradeBucket
    @ComradeBucket 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really awesome videos. A bit of constructive criticism, the piano music is kind of distracting. Something that melts into the background a bit more would be better, just my opinion.

  • @TheBlackhawkins
    @TheBlackhawkins 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you going to do a video on the fall of Hannibal too?

  • @meghdeepray9464
    @meghdeepray9464 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Could you please do the Battle of Zama ?
    The only time when 2 legendary generals fought each other.
    Would be a great addition to your series.

  • @1MateoTheGreat1
    @1MateoTheGreat1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please do a waterloo video.

  • @jameslewis5806
    @jameslewis5806 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    were they using the maniple system in the roman amrmy

  • @HarshPatel-kk2gu
    @HarshPatel-kk2gu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    can you please finish what happened next? the anti climax in Hannibal's brave battle tactics.And how Rome overcame this?

  • @EnuffWITdWOBBLEbass
    @EnuffWITdWOBBLEbass 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I looked this up after the Battle of the Bastards in GoT, and have really been enjoying these historical scenario's. Thanks for the great content.

  • @calebcali1482
    @calebcali1482 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The infantry charge of Hannibal shouldn't have had such a strong effect I'm quite surprised...cus it looks like the Romans weren't even fighting back.....plus what happened to the 10k raid party

  • @Tekkdog
    @Tekkdog 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn't Scipio the older with his center infantry?

  • @kyleb6748
    @kyleb6748 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please do the battles of Scipio Africanus!!

  • @zesc_24
    @zesc_24 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh shit you're Canadian. That "about" is a dead give away!

  • @ClarenceSampang
    @ClarenceSampang 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good videos and all but you should totally use Total War games to visualize the action!

  • @moxhoxhoxho4581
    @moxhoxhoxho4581 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    no Zama? well i check ur channel.

  • @mnkclone
    @mnkclone 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey your patreon link doesn't work! just fyi

  • @jonathangmeyer
    @jonathangmeyer 9 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    After the last three videos, I'm beginning to think it wasn't a case of Hannibal being brilliant, but more a case of the Romans being complete morons.

    • @sultanator
      @sultanator 9 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Jonathan Meyer Yeah plus Hannibal was heavily dependent on his cavalery. In all of the three battles they played a major role in defeating the moronic romans.

    • @evilmorpheus
      @evilmorpheus 9 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Jonathan Meyer It's both

    • @lio123mombach
      @lio123mombach 8 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      +Rottayok its always easy to say the other side was stupid, but in fact hannibal is brilliant and this taktik worked because he was brilliant not because the other side was stupid.
      Hannibal did the best in his Situation, not to mention that he was in enemys land for several years. I don't think his victory was because of the luck that his opponents were a little bit stupid.
      But i think you don't mean it that drastic

    • @evilmorpheus
      @evilmorpheus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Mr. Gold There's no point in downplaying the Romans' foolishness, though. They could have beat Hannibal years before Zama if they followed the Fabian strategy, but chose against it instead.

    • @CRT601
      @CRT601 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Not all of them, Fabian had the right idea but was not supported
      Also Caesar(later)

  • @legionxiii8055
    @legionxiii8055 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's funny, the Athenians did the exact same thing at Marathon, albeit without cavalry.

  • @archlorddestin
    @archlorddestin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If memory serves, Hannibal was at one point, encamped outside of Rome, which had no real hope of defending itself if he attacked, but he decided not to.
    Anyone know if I'm remembering correctly or why he didn't attack?

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 8 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Rome definitely had a hope of defending itself. Hannibal decided that he couldn't win that battle yet, and decided to wait for Carthage to send support that never came.

    • @ASillyHistoryBuff
      @ASillyHistoryBuff 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He didn't have proper siege equipment and was cautious to avoid being encircled or surrounded
      But then again as you say he had Rome at his mercy and the great city never was built for a siege-had Hannibal attacked Rome and held it to ransom history could be so different

  • @hisevilness_com
    @hisevilness_com 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Put all cav to the left, move closer to the river, and use spear infantry to deal with the right cav with no option to maneuver due to the river main army blocking left and right of that side.
    Giving the Cav on the left side even numbers, and use javelin troops to harass charging cav left and right.
    Break through center create a corridor and move in the reserves to swing left and right boxing them in.
    And yeh politicians just so *sigh*

  • @Dinodaman
    @Dinodaman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    its not a disaster it's a turtle !!!!!!!!!!!

  • @nebojsagalic4246
    @nebojsagalic4246 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I`m glad I`m a better strategist than the Roman consuls were, when I play Medieval Total war.

  • @partytor11
    @partytor11 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw a weak front line, why were the Romans not able to simply push through and encircle the Carthagenians with Romes MASSIVE middle force? Is this because their two leaders were gone, or was there another reason for this seeming incompetence?

    • @beyondthelol
      @beyondthelol 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +partytor11 Because the never actually broke through the middle, the carthagenian center was actually pulling back little by little which made the romans over extend, and when the romans had over extended too far they pushed in

    • @Kramplarv
      @Kramplarv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +partytor11
      It is hard to push through a line giving way. Msot of the time you push through when the enemy is broken and starting to flee. But since the carthagians were fighting and giving ground they fought on their own terms and thus they wouldn't break. Also, most people are fighjting not to die so even if romans were gaining ground the soldiers would advance slowly as to not die themselves.
      It is like in football/soccer; when you leave a weak spot and you know it is a weak spot, it stops being weak because you can use it to your advantage.

  • @uzlezzz
    @uzlezzz 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    please do the battle of Zama!

  • @gabriel300010
    @gabriel300010 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Civ 5... Bismarck. Bismarck is Rome. I was Hannibal with nukes

  • @hashali
    @hashali 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    who records the details of these battles?