Fairplay to @asustor_yt - he DOES answer pretty much all Qs! Fire your questions about the Flashstor to him, and I'll chip in if needed (comparisons with other brands etc). Have a fantastic week gang!
The price is a bit steep, this is steering me toward the Terramaster F8 SSD Plus, which is smaller, has more nvme slots than the 6806 and has HDMI out. It has fewer PCI lanes but it is still more than enough to saturate a 10Gbps link. And most importantly you can pick one up for $600-800, and with luck we might even get a discount on Black Friday.
I'm now holding out for Black Friday too, and given this price hike, and if nascompares does not see my comments above, then I'll also be looking at the F8 PLUS for my all NVMe iSCSI block storage for my ESXi/Proxmox Minisforum MS-01 cluster.
Price is nuts. I built my Epyc server for less with a Supermicro motherboard that supports bifurcation across 8 slots for basically 32 NVMe drives at full speed if I wanted.
Apologies if this has been asked: how does one install Truenas Scale? No HDMI and the data sheet doesn't speak to supporting USB-C external displays. I was about to pull the trigger and purchase, but am now paused. Thanks for this and all your excellent info.
If you want to put TrueNAS on it, I'd wait. The 10GbE does not work properly due to a lack of drivers in the kernel. We're working with our partners and we'll have guides on how to install it when we get it working. If you know how to recompile the kernel, you may download AMD's Linux drivers off their site, locate the 10GbE drivers and recompile the kernel. To see a display output, one must connect a GPU to one of the M.2 sockets.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Could you please provide a link to the AMD drivers (truncated so it doesn't trip YT censorship)? Or at least a detailed explanation of where they are located, so we can check them out? The AMD site is extremely badly designed for anything that is not Radeon drivers, unfortunately.
@@mgc8888 Honestly, no matter what I do, I often can't get regular comment replies to display. Any link I post is instantly removed. It's packaged inside of AMD's All Encompassing Linux Driver
@@ASUSTOR_YT Yes, it's really frustrating the way that happens. Could you perhaps try to detail that a bit more, as I was not able to locate anything with that name on their site? Maybe as a story :)
Ah, found it after all! You need to look for "Ryzen Embedded V3000 Series Drivers & Support", searching for "All Encompassing" was a very wild goose chase... And AMD's website is utter rubbish, their search is broken and navigation useless. Even these drivers don't mention *anything* about the Ethernet on their page, you have to look deep into the Release Notes for that. But once opened, ta-da -- there's a million patches for "amd-xgbe". Grand. I'll try to get this going now on a couple of kernel versions.
I would like to see a competitor for ultra low power nvme only device that doesn't include software so they could direct all engineering on the hardware. At the moment we can only find the Chinese mini PC and boards like this and they leave quite a bit to be desired in polish and support. But it looked like the software is where brands are interested into.
Price is steep but i guess that is in part the two USB4 connections. I wonder if these can be used to connect directly to a mac directly as a ‘DAS’ for video editing purposes? If so I may be tempted.
Ive received internal benchmarks for the Read and Write speed of each m.2 slot on the FS6812X from an Asustor rep. Would you like me to share those numbers so we can compare with our own tests when we receive units?
The CPU specified is speced for 2x10 GbE and 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes. How that's divied up remains to be seen as it isn't specified how that can be bifurcated. Ideally I'd like seeing 2x lanes each on the 6 bay and 1x on the 12 bay to prevent the USB4 ports from contesting for bandwidth.
Thanks for what you do and for bringing us more info on the Flashstor GEN2. HEY! Wait! NO Seagulls? (what did youuu dooo?) Asustor had contacted me 3 weeks ago in my search for something like this and told me, in a roundabout way, to hold off until the release of this Flashstor GEN2. I'm a bit disappointed that they are even talking PCI Gen 3 lanes. I wanted and was expecting a minimum of PCI Gen 4 with some PCI Gen 5 availability or all PCI Gen 5. They did live up to the USB 4 P2P connectivity which they seem to have checked off.
Loving the new specs of this model! Is this something that I can add drives to over time and gradually expand the pool? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've only ever used Synology NAS devices
Is there a reason why Asustor have not gone with an Embedded Ryzen APU for one of these? I presume the pcie lane count would be roughly the same along with the bonus of graphics which could then be used for Transcoding ect. I appreciate that they would consume more power thus producing more heat.
Heat, added engineering expenses, added 10G expenses, power supply upgrades, need to buy extra silicon like the chipset. It's just not feasible in this small product.
Well... yeah. This isn't meant for multimedia. This is meant for people who need an ultra fast NAS system that has easy to use software. Our target market is content creation, professional design, small/medium businesses as for whom time is money. We have plenty of multimedia NASes that we intend to continue selling.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Hi. I'm working with an Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen2 AS6704T and I thought that the Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen3 would come with a processor with IGPU, that's why I commented on this video. Regards!
I predict a substantially reduced price in 6 months or so. Because at this price either of those two models will not sell too well. After adding in the cost for NVME sticks it's just not worth it for most consumers.
We're not trying to target most consumers. We have NASes that target most consumers. This NAS is a response to content creators and small businesses, many of whom are demanding uncompromised performance.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Fair enough. I am not arguing with your choice of target group. I'd think even that group is evaluating the cost/performance ratio and might not think it's worth it. However, you know that market segment and I don't, so it's certainly possible my thinking is wrong. As a consumer (I own one of the previous Flashstor models) I am happy you are making and developing the Flashstor products irrespective of the intended target group. What won me over is small size, energy efficiency and low noise. This inevitably requires some hardware components with lower performance (e.g. CPU), but it's a trade off I was more than happy to accept. And I would make that trade-off again in the future if you happen to offer models for people like me, i.e. people who value small size, energy efficiency and low noise in a NAS. Thank you for replying. Actively engaging with the community is something I appreciate a lot, to the extent that it plays a role when I make purchasing decisions.
@@itssoaztek4592 Well, for that I have to say that I not only deeply appreciate your support, but I also appreciate your comments! We're always at the drawing board and I like hearing what people say!
it’s landing too close to black friday / cyber monday. that affects it in a number of ways, like lack of time to mentally process product reviews in order to make an informed decision before considering on purchase. black friday means spending is already going towards a number of other areas and categories as planned ahead of time, and possibly not enough to purchase left over to purchase a flashstor alongside its own gen 4 nvmes… nvmes more likely bought for other things as it is. it just adds to the chaos.
So I want to buy an all M.2 NVMe system, and I'd prefer the Flashstor Gen 2 over the Gen 1. BUT... the lack of an integrated GPU is keeping me from getting the Gen 2 because transcoding is a huge thing for a shared NAS running Plex for media streaming out to various devices with various source movie formats, including my home movie archives. I understand the Ryzen CPU is a far more capable CPU over the original Celeron in Gen 1, but I have 2 questions: 1. Why on earth did Asustor make such a strange decision to choose a CPU chip that does not include an iGPU? (and thereby downgrading its overall capability in that regard and forcing all YT content creators to have to caveat their support for the Gen 2 by making this limitation very clear for those people it affects) 2. Is the (more powerful) Ryzen chip able to transcode a non-native media format at, say, 4K at 60fps like Apple TV 4K supports? I'm bummed about this. It seems that every NAS vendor offers products that are great in some areas, but then fall short in other critical areas. This makes researching the best option for a given consumer's needs so frustrating and time consuming to understand the tradeoffs and nuances. Why is it so hard to make an all NVMe NAS with all the features and none of the tradeoffs?
The internal flash is soldered onto the board, but eGPU can provide a display. We're working with our Linux Minded youtubers to make sure it works. Currently it's not the lack of a GPU that's the issue, but it's that the mainline kernel that can't recognise the 10GbE ports properly.
Well, I was holding out for this, and its massive, but I'm after a NAS purely for NVMe iSCSI/NFS shares for a proxmox network-based datastore, no docker, no SMB shares etc, it was either this flashstor or the Terramaster F8 PLUS. Given the price for the 6-bay and 12-bay, and compare that to the 8-bay F8 PLUS, which is the 'best' option? I do not really care for dual 10GB NICs. Hell, I was even looking at the 10-bay Lockerstor Gen3, using the TB4/USB4 for the networking to the dual minisforum MS-01 cluster... and load it with NVMe and multiple 20TB spinning rust, but I'm not sure if the LockerStor can even do NVMe caching for the spinning disks.... For basic NVMe only iSCSI/NFS only shares nas, value for money, which nas? suggestions? Thanks!
Nope! If it's under warranty, feel free to send it back and we'll get you up and running again. If it's out of warranty, you can transfer the drives to a new one and it will wake up as if nothing happened. But always keep backups too!
Hey guys, ive found myself in the position to aquire between 200 to 300 tb of media and am needing suggestions for how to take that data and turn it into a home media server.
Hello 👋 Have a good day. This machine doesnt have a media engine. Can it handle, run 8k videos? Can i use it like a media server at home? Does there any problems? Plex? Thx.
I have no idea what business model Asustor is trying to follow when they have such a small market share.... it ain't value that's for sure.The idea is the new model offers MORE features for the SAME price range as the old model... except for Asustor who must think they are Apple or something. Nobody cares about 5gbe ports except Robbie for some strange reason.... Unless Asustor realizes it's a third tier NAS supplier competing with all the Chinese brands like UGreen and Terramaster etc and not in the same league market wise as Synology and Qnap it's going to remain a third tier niche player. The opportunity offered to this market by Synology dropping the ball so badly with the Prosumer/SMB market is compelling but Asustor cannot exploit it with this insane business model. I predict the Chinese brands will inherit the mainstream home NAS market within 2 years.
I feel like 5GbE is such a niche technology, home users are mostly on 1GbE, powerusers 2.5GbE, honestly the price different between 5GbE and 10GbE is not worth going for 5GbE.
Ah but think about it like this, we get the 5GbE controllers for almost the same as we get 2.5GbE controllers. For an upgrade that's almost free, why not? It still works with 2.5GbE equipment. The 10GbE stuff is much more expensive compared to 5GbE. Even many 10GbE switches will switch to 5GbE.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Makes sense! I’ve been following the Asustor videos and I love your transparency and your willingness to interact and listen to feedback. Especially with the 3rd party OS support. Definitely will be shopping around once I retire my Synology.
I want to get a 6 bay one to play with, my issue is drives are so pricy in canada still :(. 120$ per tb EEK !!!Been watching some of your videos, need to invest in a big nas next year with some large drives ! This youtube content is consuming spce LOL !
Wow, that's outrageous pricing. $1350 USD for a 12 bay. No way, I'll pass. I'll just consider other alternatives. NVME drives are not cheap either. All in all looking at a 2K to 3K usd build. Ludacris!!!
We would've wanted to include that too, but it was either buy the old Zen+ or Zen 2 Ryzen Embedded CPUs and suffer lower performance, or this. We aren't abandoning the transcoding market, but also addressing those who want speed.
@@ASUSTOR_YT If you haven't done so already, please remind AMD that there's a need for low power, powerful CPUs with integrated GPUs in the NAS market. It's 2024, there is no excuse from AMD not to have such a product in its portfolio... given how much experience their engineers have with APUs !
That's some price hike - I'm out. Really need a DP (or even an HDMI like the previous) just for ease of setup. A USB2 would be useful for Keyb/mouse, just for ease of setup. Couple of additional 5G LAN's wouldn't go amiss either
Hi there! Unfortunately, AMD did not provide an iGPU with this. I am working to see if we can get eGPU support added into the USB4 ports. In regards to the USB 2 ports, we found that you don't really need to sacrifice as a simple USB 3 hub will add a few extra for very little performance hit. The 5G LAN we just couldn't fit onto the board without making sacrifices unfortunately.
@@ASUSTOR_YT - I think the Gen 2 is fine but missing some essential features and laughably too expensive - though it does make the Terramaster look like a better option. No issue with NVMe4x1 as that could saturate 20Gbps, but I'll wait for your competetion to come out with a similar device (or you make a Gen3) which has the missing features. Also, I don't think anyone would care if you made the unit higher, with room for NVMe heatsinks and better cooling.
Finally ! Edit : dat price zo 😭Also hoping that in your upcoming review, you'll demonstrate how to install Unraid on it (not sure how, since it doesn't have an HDMI out ?)
I was originally gonna show this in the Lockerstor, but holding off till Flashstor now. I was given a good bit of help on it by a subscriber and another source who I hope is allow me to credit them when the video goes live! But yes, definitely possible and requires 1 of two kinds of adapter and a low power GPU Card
We're working to understand how to get third party OSs on it. My main issue is getting the 10G to work correctly as mainline linux kernels do not support AMD 10GbE yet. Let me work with a few linux-minded TH-camrs like Level 1 and Jeff Geerling to help get it running.
Price is too rich for me. The 6 bay could be an option, hang a pair of external 3.5 bays towers on the usb3 and get 2x25gb ethernet off the USB 4 ports.. I am holding off for a bit, shame, if that 12 had stayed at the same price or max 200 higher it would have been much more if a no brainer.
But still... to add injury to insult the pricing is ridiculous before one even begins to populate this unit with NVME drives. The total cost of a unit like this could very easily surpass $14k with 4TB Nvme drives at $299 each which is outrageous. I guess I'll have to wait for the Asustor Flashstor GEN 3, and by then, PCI Gen 6 and USB 5 will be out, and it will be ridiculous of them to still be including PCI Gen 4 support in that. But seeing their pattern of things that's exactly what they'll do.
This is for nutbags. You can build a much better and faster box for much less. This is just for fetishists that want to rub this thing on their crotch while watching reruns of ally mcbeal and squealing like they think unicorns do when calling yeti.
Far too expensive! I was waiting for news on the Gen2 but I'm out at this sort of price. Will probably buy the old model on a Black Friday deal or something....
I was so hyped for this product and by all accounts it seems really good....... but I really did not expect that price :( I thought a few hundred more (like a wishful $200 - $300 maybe even $400) but not almost double the price on the Australian market - not that we ever really get deals over here :| - the value proposition just doesn't feel like its there at all compared to their first gen, and that's before the fact that there is no hardware transcoding either.
We definitely wanted to address the demands people have asked for, but we upgraded everything and it definitely became more expensive. The 10Gs, the USB4, the CPU, the ECC. All things demanded from us were much more expensive than the previous parts we purchased. We did our best with the price and we think for the performance gain you get, it's pretty decent all things considered.
We are not laughing. I can guarantee you that. The parts we put in this are expensive, but it is a response to the requests of others. The CPU, the copper heatsinks, the USB4, etc... all that adds up. Do we have markups? Do you get a lot more than the previous NAS versions? Yes as well. But we're not swimming in cash and our profits get reinvested into our dev teams to ensure your data is safe and that we can support our products for an ungodly amount of time. 7-10 years actually. We do not expect people to buy this every year. We expect people to use this for many years and upgrade when it's absolutely necessary.
@@ASUSTOR_YTwhat makes it more expensive than $160 AM5 motherboard, $200 AMD 7500f CPU, 32gb of ddr5 $85, sff psu and a case? Total $650 gaming class machine without GPU and storage.
@@EVR1AL We use embedded CPUs or CPUs designated for use in embedded machines because NAS devices are embedded appliances meant for 24/7 use. For AMD, they must be designated as Ryzen Embedded for that to qualify. For Intel, either the ARK page describes embedded as one of the use conditions or Intel agrees to provide support for the product. Embedded CPUs have better quality assurance and endurance. We, as a company must build products in such a way that are stable and trustworthy. We are proud of our 0.6% failure rate within our warranty period. Because of this, we only use products that we can verify are trustworthy and stable. Embedded CPUs allow us to also receive support for bugfixes with the software. We don't use grey market CPUs for this reason. Similarly, we also engineer and produce our motherboards to industrial-grade levels. Industrial-grade motherboards are much more expensive than consumer-grade motherboards. We wouldn't trust a consumer-grade $160 AM5 board to please thousands of customers running this 24/7 and have increased amounts of warranty claims and upset customers. We also use PCIe switches that are not cheap to implement to put the slots in there. Because of the size footprint, we use ECC SO-DIMM RAM. This is more expensive and not nearly as common as ECC DIMMs. This also means that our NAS is smaller while providing up to six or twelve M.2 slots for NVMe SSDs. This is very difficult to build in a desktop. The PCIe switches are not cheap. And then the software. We support our software with feature upgrades, bug fixes, driver updates, stability testing, and technical support for 7-10 years usually. Unlike TrueNAS, we pay our developers instead of relying on free labour. While it may seem expensive, we ensure that our developers actually put food on the table and receive livable and decent wages for their hard work. And we have to make sure that our software stays stable for years. If you build your own, you are on your own. And all this adds up. I'd love to reduce the price. But we also need to ensure that our products are safe and trustworthy for your data too, and willynillying our products would be disastrous for us. Hope this helps!
A grand for an unpopulated 6 bay, no ECC DIMMs out of the box, a single 10GbE port - not even an SFP+ cage as an option for people with fibre LANs or folk using DACs. Essentially twice the cost of its predecessor puts it on the ridiculous side, I appreciate their move to a stronger Ryzen CPU due to having more grunt and more PCIE lanes over the predecessors weak Celeron N5105 but its a hard pass from me due to the price yeet & lack of network options - a single 10GbE port on a flash NAS is a joke and lack of even a single SFP+ cage takes this out of contention for me.
mentioning 'failover' 18 times on a thing that likely doesn't support it and is consumer grade is beyond bizarre. The 2 NIC one is unlikely to support it either unless they specifically added a software test and script specifically for people looking for enterprise features in consumer products like you. A typical user for something like this doesn't have a need for or ability to meaningfully use nic redundancy anyway. I get the feeling you don't know how it would work either, it's not some automagic thing that makes everything better and farts rainbows. If you want it and have a need for it, OS swap the thing and set it up via USB - problem solved. Or either way set it up via USB, you're not going to balance this vs a switch/router with both NIC's running unless you're a nutcake or using it for the wrong type of thing. Home use != enterprise use.
Always happy to answer questions!
Fairplay to @asustor_yt - he DOES answer pretty much all Qs! Fire your questions about the Flashstor to him, and I'll chip in if needed (comparisons with other brands etc). Have a fantastic week gang!
Any discounts coming on gen1 to shift old stock?
Will it be available in Viet Nam
@@nascompares Thank you! Sometimes comments disappear so press sort by new to unhide them!
@@dhartifact6294 Yes! Absolutely!
The price is a bit steep, this is steering me toward the Terramaster F8 SSD Plus, which is smaller, has more nvme slots than the 6806 and has HDMI out. It has fewer PCI lanes but it is still more than enough to saturate a 10Gbps link. And most importantly you can pick one up for $600-800, and with luck we might even get a discount on Black Friday.
Can't wait to see a comprehensive comparison between the F8 and the Flashstor Gen2
@maniacfox but wish it had USB 4 and then we're cooking with gas!!!
@@Suzukii-Kryptousb4 40g adds $130 to the budget, like it or not
I'm now holding out for Black Friday too, and given this price hike, and if nascompares does not see my comments above, then I'll also be looking at the F8 PLUS for my all NVMe iSCSI block storage for my ESXi/Proxmox Minisforum MS-01 cluster.
Price is nuts. I built my Epyc server for less with a Supermicro motherboard that supports bifurcation across 8 slots for basically 32 NVMe drives at full speed if I wanted.
What form factor and power usage is the SM+Epyc?
That price jump 😢
For capacity objective , maybe Buy two gen1 12bay and get 24 bay in total instead of 1 unit gen2 12 bay ?
7:35 - Did you mean TB instead of gig?
Apologies if this has been asked: how does one install Truenas Scale? No HDMI and the data sheet doesn't speak to supporting USB-C external displays. I was about to pull the trigger and purchase, but am now paused. Thanks for this and all your excellent info.
If you want to put TrueNAS on it, I'd wait. The 10GbE does not work properly due to a lack of drivers in the kernel. We're working with our partners and we'll have guides on how to install it when we get it working. If you know how to recompile the kernel, you may download AMD's Linux drivers off their site, locate the 10GbE drivers and recompile the kernel. To see a display output, one must connect a GPU to one of the M.2 sockets.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Could you please provide a link to the AMD drivers (truncated so it doesn't trip YT censorship)? Or at least a detailed explanation of where they are located, so we can check them out? The AMD site is extremely badly designed for anything that is not Radeon drivers, unfortunately.
@@mgc8888 Honestly, no matter what I do, I often can't get regular comment replies to display. Any link I post is instantly removed. It's packaged inside of AMD's All Encompassing Linux Driver
@@ASUSTOR_YT Yes, it's really frustrating the way that happens. Could you perhaps try to detail that a bit more, as I was not able to locate anything with that name on their site? Maybe as a story :)
Ah, found it after all! You need to look for "Ryzen Embedded V3000 Series Drivers & Support", searching for "All Encompassing" was a very wild goose chase... And AMD's website is utter rubbish, their search is broken and navigation useless. Even these drivers don't mention *anything* about the Ethernet on their page, you have to look deep into the Release Notes for that. But once opened, ta-da -- there's a million patches for "amd-xgbe". Grand. I'll try to get this going now on a couple of kernel versions.
I would like to see a competitor for ultra low power nvme only device that doesn't include software so they could direct all engineering on the hardware.
At the moment we can only find the Chinese mini PC and boards like this and they leave quite a bit to be desired in polish and support.
But it looked like the software is where brands are interested into.
Price is steep but i guess that is in part the two USB4 connections. I wonder if these can be used to connect directly to a mac directly as a ‘DAS’ for video editing purposes? If so I may be tempted.
Ive received internal benchmarks for the Read and Write speed of each m.2 slot on the FS6812X from an Asustor rep. Would you like me to share those numbers so we can compare with our own tests when we receive units?
The CPU specified is speced for 2x10 GbE and 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes. How that's divied up remains to be seen as it isn't specified how that can be bifurcated. Ideally I'd like seeing 2x lanes each on the 6 bay and 1x on the 12 bay to prevent the USB4 ports from contesting for bandwidth.
Thanks for what you do and for bringing us more info on the Flashstor GEN2.
HEY! Wait! NO Seagulls?
(what did youuu dooo?)
Asustor had contacted me 3 weeks ago in my search for something like this and told me, in a roundabout way, to hold off until the release of this Flashstor GEN2.
I'm a bit disappointed that they are even talking PCI Gen 3 lanes. I wanted and was expecting a minimum of PCI Gen 4 with some PCI Gen 5 availability or all PCI Gen 5. They did live up to the USB 4 P2P connectivity which they seem to have checked off.
Loving the new specs of this model! Is this something that I can add drives to over time and gradually expand the pool?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've only ever used Synology NAS devices
Is there a reason why Asustor have not gone with an Embedded Ryzen APU for one of these? I presume the pcie lane count would be roughly the same along with the bonus of graphics which could then be used for Transcoding ect. I appreciate that they would consume more power thus producing more heat.
Heat, added engineering expenses, added 10G expenses, power supply upgrades, need to buy extra silicon like the chipset. It's just not feasible in this small product.
Ok. Now make it more square :)
Any chance there will be a tutorial to setup iscsi on it for gaming?
Workin on it! It's on the list. But our iSCSI steps are the same for every one of our NASes.
Great job, Asus! Yes, they are charging so much because there is nothing like this out there. The competition has completely missed the boat.
Thank you! But we're actually not ASUS, we are ASUSTOR. We are a separately run company partially owned by ASUS.
Hi. I think that if they use processors without IGPU they close the doors to multimedia users.
Of course I give a thumbs up!
Well... yeah. This isn't meant for multimedia. This is meant for people who need an ultra fast NAS system that has easy to use software. Our target market is content creation, professional design, small/medium businesses as for whom time is money. We have plenty of multimedia NASes that we intend to continue selling.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Hi. I'm working with an Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen2 AS6704T and I thought that the Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen3 would come with a processor with IGPU, that's why I commented on this video. Regards!
The scale up in hardware doesn’t justify the scale up in price at all
I predict a substantially reduced price in 6 months or so. Because at this price either of those two models will not sell too well. After adding in the cost for NVME sticks it's just not worth it for most consumers.
yeah, wait a year, then scoop up some NVMe3's, even at x1 would saturate both 10G's,.. but the Terramaster is looking like a way better option now.
We're not trying to target most consumers. We have NASes that target most consumers. This NAS is a response to content creators and small businesses, many of whom are demanding uncompromised performance.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Fair enough. I am not arguing with your choice of target group. I'd think even that group is evaluating the cost/performance ratio and might not think it's worth it. However, you know that market segment and I don't, so it's certainly possible my thinking is wrong.
As a consumer (I own one of the previous Flashstor models) I am happy you are making and developing the Flashstor products irrespective of the intended target group. What won me over is small size, energy efficiency and low noise. This inevitably requires some hardware components with lower performance (e.g. CPU), but it's a trade off I was more than happy to accept. And I would make that trade-off again in the future if you happen to offer models for people like me, i.e. people who value small size, energy efficiency and low noise in a NAS.
Thank you for replying. Actively engaging with the community is something I appreciate a lot, to the extent that it plays a role when I make purchasing decisions.
@@itssoaztek4592 Well, for that I have to say that I not only deeply appreciate your support, but I also appreciate your comments! We're always at the drawing board and I like hearing what people say!
it’s landing too close to black friday / cyber monday. that affects it in a number of ways, like lack of time to mentally process product reviews in order to make an informed decision before considering on purchase.
black friday means spending is already going towards a number of other areas and categories as planned ahead of time, and possibly not enough to purchase left over to purchase a flashstor alongside its own gen 4 nvmes… nvmes more likely bought for other things as it is.
it just adds to the chaos.
So I want to buy an all M.2 NVMe system, and I'd prefer the Flashstor Gen 2 over the Gen 1. BUT... the lack of an integrated GPU is keeping me from getting the Gen 2 because transcoding is a huge thing for a shared NAS running Plex for media streaming out to various devices with various source movie formats, including my home movie archives. I understand the Ryzen CPU is a far more capable CPU over the original Celeron in Gen 1, but I have 2 questions:
1. Why on earth did Asustor make such a strange decision to choose a CPU chip that does not include an iGPU? (and thereby downgrading its overall capability in that regard and forcing all YT content creators to have to caveat their support for the Gen 2 by making this limitation very clear for those people it affects)
2. Is the (more powerful) Ryzen chip able to transcode a non-native media format at, say, 4K at 60fps like Apple TV 4K supports?
I'm bummed about this. It seems that every NAS vendor offers products that are great in some areas, but then fall short in other critical areas. This makes researching the best option for a given consumer's needs so frustrating and time consuming to understand the tradeoffs and nuances. Why is it so hard to make an all NVMe NAS with all the features and none of the tradeoffs?
I wonder if it's possible to install TrueNAS via an eGPU or by removing the internal flash and using another PC to install it.
The internal flash is soldered onto the board, but eGPU can provide a display. We're working with our Linux Minded youtubers to make sure it works. Currently it's not the lack of a GPU that's the issue, but it's that the mainline kernel that can't recognise the 10GbE ports properly.
Well, I was holding out for this, and its massive, but I'm after a NAS purely for NVMe iSCSI/NFS shares for a proxmox network-based datastore, no docker, no SMB shares etc, it was either this flashstor or the Terramaster F8 PLUS.
Given the price for the 6-bay and 12-bay, and compare that to the 8-bay F8 PLUS, which is the 'best' option? I do not really care for dual 10GB NICs.
Hell, I was even looking at the 10-bay Lockerstor Gen3, using the TB4/USB4 for the networking to the dual minisforum MS-01 cluster... and load it with NVMe and multiple 20TB spinning rust, but I'm not sure if the LockerStor can even do NVMe caching for the spinning disks....
For basic NVMe only iSCSI/NFS only shares nas, value for money, which nas? suggestions? Thanks!
Its advantage was competitive pricing, now not so much. It does not have integrated gpu too.
What does the sign in the top left say?!
It asks what NAS is.
What happen if the flashstore dies, do I loose all data or I just order another one and it will work with all my disks? Thank you
Nope! If it's under warranty, feel free to send it back and we'll get you up and running again. If it's out of warranty, you can transfer the drives to a new one and it will wake up as if nothing happened.
But always keep backups too!
Can you change the OS and load Proxmox and cluster multiple units together.
We do not disallow installation of third party operating systems.
Does it come with heatsinks or still need a separate purchase?
Sold separately as some SSDs do not need them.
Hey guys, ive found myself in the position to aquire between 200 to 300 tb of media and am needing suggestions for how to take that data and turn it into a home media server.
Hello 👋 Have a good day. This machine doesnt have a media engine. Can it handle, run 8k videos? Can i use it like a media server at home? Does there any problems? Plex? Thx.
I have no idea what business model Asustor is trying to follow when they have such a small market share.... it ain't value that's for sure.The idea is the new model offers MORE features for the SAME price range as the old model... except for Asustor who must think they are Apple or something. Nobody cares about 5gbe ports except Robbie for some strange reason.... Unless Asustor realizes it's a third tier NAS supplier competing with all the Chinese brands like UGreen and Terramaster etc and not in the same league market wise as Synology and Qnap it's going to remain a third tier niche player. The opportunity offered to this market by Synology dropping the ball so badly with the Prosumer/SMB market is compelling but Asustor cannot exploit it with this insane business model. I predict the Chinese brands will inherit the mainstream home NAS market within 2 years.
I feel like 5GbE is such a niche technology, home users are mostly on 1GbE, powerusers 2.5GbE, honestly the price different between 5GbE and 10GbE is not worth going for 5GbE.
Ah but think about it like this, we get the 5GbE controllers for almost the same as we get 2.5GbE controllers. For an upgrade that's almost free, why not? It still works with 2.5GbE equipment. The 10GbE stuff is much more expensive compared to 5GbE. Even many 10GbE switches will switch to 5GbE.
@@ASUSTOR_YT Makes sense! I’ve been following the Asustor videos and I love your transparency and your willingness to interact and listen to feedback. Especially with the 3rd party OS support. Definitely will be shopping around once I retire my Synology.
@@Nayef180 Thank you for your praise!
I want to get a 6 bay one to play with, my issue is drives are so pricy in canada still :(. 120$ per tb EEK !!!Been watching some of your videos, need to invest in a big nas next year with some large drives ! This youtube content is consuming spce LOL !
Why buy this and not expansion cards specially if you have a few free slots?
Wow, that's outrageous pricing. $1350 USD for a 12 bay. No way, I'll pass. I'll just consider other alternatives. NVME drives are not cheap either. All in all looking at a 2K to 3K usd build. Ludacris!!!
I am a big fan of Ryzen processors but man these embedded ones without media codec blocks supporting HEVC, x265, AV1 etc and a GPU is a total bust.
We would've wanted to include that too, but it was either buy the old Zen+ or Zen 2 Ryzen Embedded CPUs and suffer lower performance, or this. We aren't abandoning the transcoding market, but also addressing those who want speed.
@@ASUSTOR_YT If you haven't done so already, please remind AMD that there's a need for low power, powerful CPUs with integrated GPUs in the NAS market.
It's 2024, there is no excuse from AMD not to have such a product in its portfolio... given how much experience their engineers have with APUs !
That's some price hike - I'm out.
Really need a DP (or even an HDMI like the previous) just for ease of setup.
A USB2 would be useful for Keyb/mouse, just for ease of setup.
Couple of additional 5G LAN's wouldn't go amiss either
Hi there! Unfortunately, AMD did not provide an iGPU with this. I am working to see if we can get eGPU support added into the USB4 ports.
In regards to the USB 2 ports, we found that you don't really need to sacrifice as a simple USB 3 hub will add a few extra for very little performance hit.
The 5G LAN we just couldn't fit onto the board without making sacrifices unfortunately.
@@ASUSTOR_YT - I think the Gen 2 is fine but missing some essential features and laughably too expensive - though it does make the Terramaster look like a better option. No issue with NVMe4x1 as that could saturate 20Gbps, but I'll wait for your competetion to come out with a similar device (or you make a Gen3) which has the missing features.
Also, I don't think anyone would care if you made the unit higher, with room for NVMe heatsinks and better cooling.
I can't wait for the 19th!
Thank you for your support! It's available now!
2:11 Those are my arms!
The price just seems like a bit to much. I paid way less for my new Ryzen 5600 32gb ECC Server. Using bifurcation with 4x nvme and 6x sata.
MASSIVE price hike up, I am out!
Finally !
Edit : dat price zo 😭Also hoping that in your upcoming review, you'll demonstrate how to install Unraid on it (not sure how, since it doesn't have an HDMI out ?)
I was originally gonna show this in the Lockerstor, but holding off till Flashstor now. I was given a good bit of help on it by a subscriber and another source who I hope is allow me to credit them when the video goes live! But yes, definitely possible and requires 1 of two kinds of adapter and a low power GPU Card
@@nascompares Damn, looks like a bit of a PITA but good to know it can be done. Looking forward to watching your review 👍
We're working to understand how to get third party OSs on it. My main issue is getting the 10G to work correctly as mainline linux kernels do not support AMD 10GbE yet. Let me work with a few linux-minded TH-camrs like Level 1 and Jeff Geerling to help get it running.
Lack of a gpu for transcoding is a massive L
peel the plastic off for gods sake..
That price is a real probe in the chute
Wow! Way too expensive for this spec!
Yeah, for that price I can get 20GB/s speeds!
Price is too rich for me. The 6 bay could be an option, hang a pair of external 3.5 bays towers on the usb3 and get 2x25gb ethernet off the USB 4 ports.. I am holding off for a bit, shame, if that 12 had stayed at the same price or max 200 higher it would have been much more if a no brainer.
But still... to add injury to insult the pricing is ridiculous before one even begins to populate this unit with NVME drives. The total cost of a unit like this could very easily surpass $14k with 4TB Nvme drives at $299 each which is outrageous. I guess I'll have to wait for the Asustor Flashstor GEN 3, and by then, PCI Gen 6 and USB 5 will be out, and it will be ridiculous of them to still be including PCI Gen 4 support in that. But seeing their pattern of things that's exactly what they'll do.
This is for nutbags. You can build a much better and faster box for much less. This is just for fetishists that want to rub this thing on their crotch while watching reruns of ally mcbeal and squealing like they think unicorns do when calling yeti.
Far too expensive! I was waiting for news on the Gen2 but I'm out at this sort of price. Will probably buy the old model on a Black Friday deal or something....
I was so hyped for this product and by all accounts it seems really good....... but I really did not expect that price :( I thought a few hundred more (like a wishful $200 - $300 maybe even $400) but not almost double the price on the Australian market - not that we ever really get deals over here :| - the value proposition just doesn't feel like its there at all compared to their first gen, and that's before the fact that there is no hardware transcoding either.
We definitely wanted to address the demands people have asked for, but we upgraded everything and it definitely became more expensive. The 10Gs, the USB4, the CPU, the ECC. All things demanded from us were much more expensive than the previous parts we purchased. We did our best with the price and we think for the performance gain you get, it's pretty decent all things considered.
The Terramaster F8 SSD kicks the 6 bay Flashstor gen 2 into the weeds. Even the pro version is significantly cheaper than the 6 bay Flashstor.
Asustor having a laugh with pricing except I'm not laughing.
We are not laughing. I can guarantee you that. The parts we put in this are expensive, but it is a response to the requests of others. The CPU, the copper heatsinks, the USB4, etc... all that adds up. Do we have markups? Do you get a lot more than the previous NAS versions? Yes as well. But we're not swimming in cash and our profits get reinvested into our dev teams to ensure your data is safe and that we can support our products for an ungodly amount of time. 7-10 years actually. We do not expect people to buy this every year. We expect people to use this for many years and upgrade when it's absolutely necessary.
@@ASUSTOR_YTwhat makes it more expensive than $160 AM5 motherboard, $200 AMD 7500f CPU, 32gb of ddr5 $85, sff psu and a case? Total $650 gaming class machine without GPU and storage.
@@EVR1AL We use embedded CPUs or CPUs designated for use in embedded machines because NAS devices are embedded appliances meant for 24/7 use. For AMD, they must be designated as Ryzen Embedded for that to qualify. For Intel, either the ARK page describes embedded as one of the use conditions or Intel agrees to provide support for the product. Embedded CPUs have better quality assurance and endurance. We, as a company must build products in such a way that are stable and trustworthy. We are proud of our 0.6% failure rate within our warranty period. Because of this, we only use products that we can verify are trustworthy and stable. Embedded CPUs allow us to also receive support for bugfixes with the software. We don't use grey market CPUs for this reason.
Similarly, we also engineer and produce our motherboards to industrial-grade levels. Industrial-grade motherboards are much more expensive than consumer-grade motherboards. We wouldn't trust a consumer-grade $160 AM5 board to please thousands of customers running this 24/7 and have increased amounts of warranty claims and upset customers. We also use PCIe switches that are not cheap to implement to put the slots in there.
Because of the size footprint, we use ECC SO-DIMM RAM. This is more expensive and not nearly as common as ECC DIMMs. This also means that our NAS is smaller while providing up to six or twelve M.2 slots for NVMe SSDs. This is very difficult to build in a desktop. The PCIe switches are not cheap.
And then the software. We support our software with feature upgrades, bug fixes, driver updates, stability testing, and technical support for 7-10 years usually. Unlike TrueNAS, we pay our developers instead of relying on free labour. While it may seem expensive, we ensure that our developers actually put food on the table and receive livable and decent wages for their hard work. And we have to make sure that our software stays stable for years. If you build your own, you are on your own.
And all this adds up. I'd love to reduce the price. But we also need to ensure that our products are safe and trustworthy for your data too, and willynillying our products would be disastrous for us. Hope this helps!
@@EVR1AL Well said they can't explain the price, just randomly say copper heat sink lol.
I have to click out of this video quickly after seeing these ridiculous prices but I hope this won’t hurt the your algorithm ranking :(
A grand for an unpopulated 6 bay, no ECC DIMMs out of the box, a single 10GbE port - not even an SFP+ cage as an option for people with fibre LANs or folk using DACs.
Essentially twice the cost of its predecessor puts it on the ridiculous side, I appreciate their move to a stronger Ryzen CPU due to having more grunt and more PCIE lanes over the predecessors weak Celeron N5105 but its a hard pass from me due to the price yeet & lack of network options - a single 10GbE port on a flash NAS is a joke and lack of even a single SFP+ cage takes this out of contention for me.
$1k diskless? No thanks.
mentioning 'failover' 18 times on a thing that likely doesn't support it and is consumer grade is beyond bizarre. The 2 NIC one is unlikely to support it either unless they specifically added a software test and script specifically for people looking for enterprise features in consumer products like you. A typical user for something like this doesn't have a need for or ability to meaningfully use nic redundancy anyway. I get the feeling you don't know how it would work either, it's not some automagic thing that makes everything better and farts rainbows. If you want it and have a need for it, OS swap the thing and set it up via USB - problem solved. Or either way set it up via USB, you're not going to balance this vs a switch/router with both NIC's running unless you're a nutcake or using it for the wrong type of thing. Home use != enterprise use.