thanks man! I think MS3 has my favorite quads of the bunch and I love the shot sounds from upper battery. Definitely a game changer a couple years back
I cant say I'm a huge fan of the musesounds version, the long triplet roll literally sounds dirty somehow, and this is just a personal preference, but I don't like low quad tuning, and the quads sound like they're playing on really cheap heads and the shot are really thin too. I do like how the basses sound though. I think each has their strengths. In my opinion, ms3 has the best quads, ms4 has the best basses, and vdl has the best snares.
The thin sounds are definitely due to the default solo player, but the line versions are worse as they are super muddy. I plan on releasing another demonstration video with that (and cymbals lol) in mind. The Muse Sound basses are ALMOST there for me, just a little too punchy and dry for my tastes. I agree with you on everything else!
I'm gonna kind of go on a rant about MIDI a little too. VDL understands accents properly, but honestly I think it's too exaggerated, cause even though everything should be low unless accented (basically), it's almost too low, almost sounds like little feather taps, in a real situation it would pretty obviously be much louder. Or if I'm wrong, it's at least too quiet for MIDI, cause more times than not, this audio will be behind a band, and these are just too quiet to be realistic enough to use as a reference to play to when practicing. But, I am viewing it as though I was in a room with just a snare, so maybe I have a little high of an expectation of how loud it should be. The new MuseDrumline sounds like it's aware that accents should be more obvious, but it still uses dynamic markings to determine the sound of the whole measure, even if there are accents present in the measure. And the MuseDrumline still just has countless flaws lol. Crescendos are just a hot mess, tiny subject change, it's the same with the Spitfire sounds on Solo Trumpet, mp accent is tiny, and a mf accent is HUGE, it's ridiculous, so you can imagine that paired with a crescendo from mp to mf is awful. Obviously I'm expecting a LOT from MIDI, but one day I hope MIDI will get to the point that it just kinda sounds like a real recording (obviously I understand it's basically impossible to emulate the exact sound of the field, but you get what I mean), it's extremely helpful to play to at least for me, I mean we're already almost there, it just needs touch ups, cause the drumline sounds sound real enough now, another step we could take to get there is finally getting soundfonts (at least in MuseScore, idk of any applications that do have these) for instruments like Mellos, MARCHING Baritone Horns, and actual Contras or Sousa sounds instead of using the basic Tuba and French Horn sounds given. There's a long way to go, but honestly we're close enough, it'd be so nice to hear exactly what your show will sound and save some time on the field as a director.
To be fair, I have a lot of hidden dynamics in all three demonstrations just to make it more “human” but the software can feel finicky with it sometimes (ie I can’t hear MP taps after a F accent in Muse Sounds drumline or VDL just completely stopping the sound of F to get to MP) I also had the mix the same all throughout the three variations. While I agree with your VDL points in this demonstration, I’ve been using it through the Kontakt VST recently and for whatever reason it’s super quiet on Musescore unless you turn their mix all the way up (especially quads). I’m hoping the Muse Hub edition solves these issues!
@@j-raydimalanta9991I used Kontakt VDL through MS as well and I noticed that before 4.4, musescore didn’t automatically input velocity changes with whatever dynamics you put, hence the “quiet” sound (ie if you played an accent at fff, the velocity would remain the same but it would just sound louder). But now that issue is fixed 😁
Is it just me or does the Musesounds drumline sound worse than its predecessor on ms3? I mean I can hear the improvements in the architecture but it just doesnt sound as nice overall to me
It’s great that they used a world class corps to record the sounds but man, those Ludwig drums simply not the right move, they don’t sound good in any context
I just realized that I can combine the best of all 3 worlds now… I have MDL3 on Musescore 4. And VDL is only 10 bucks. But I can go into the mixer and pick what specific drum I want to be from what drumline. In my head I am imagining VDL snares, MDL3 Quads, and MDL4 basses.
I can’t get the buzz sound simply by adding the Z on the not. I have to tab it down to a different note head for that sound in Muscore3. Any idea how to make it this way?
I did! Not sure if you've seen the video by Lukease (th-cam.com/video/oZqzOgNBiOc/w-d-xo.html if you haven;t) but he had made custom DRM files for a majority of the samples which I use. The Google Drive link is in his video description!
VDL dynamics sound great but for some reason I like musescore 3 sounds more maybe because that’s what im used to, also fire beats bro!
thanks man! I think MS3 has my favorite quads of the bunch and I love the shot sounds from upper battery. Definitely a game changer a couple years back
@@j-raydimalanta9991good quads are what matters most. And ludwig quads are the worst sounding quads imo
It's so weird hearing Audrey in MDL 4
I cant say I'm a huge fan of the musesounds version, the long triplet roll literally sounds dirty somehow, and this is just a personal preference, but I don't like low quad tuning, and the quads sound like they're playing on really cheap heads and the shot are really thin too. I do like how the basses sound though. I think each has their strengths. In my opinion, ms3 has the best quads, ms4 has the best basses, and vdl has the best snares.
The thin sounds are definitely due to the default solo player, but the line versions are worse as they are super muddy. I plan on releasing another demonstration video with that (and cymbals lol) in mind. The Muse Sound basses are ALMOST there for me, just a little too punchy and dry for my tastes. I agree with you on everything else!
I'm gonna kind of go on a rant about MIDI a little too.
VDL understands accents properly, but honestly I think it's too exaggerated, cause even though everything should be low unless accented (basically), it's almost too low, almost sounds like little feather taps, in a real situation it would pretty obviously be much louder. Or if I'm wrong, it's at least too quiet for MIDI, cause more times than not, this audio will be behind a band, and these are just too quiet to be realistic enough to use as a reference to play to when practicing. But, I am viewing it as though I was in a room with just a snare, so maybe I have a little high of an expectation of how loud it should be. The new MuseDrumline sounds like it's aware that accents should be more obvious, but it still uses dynamic markings to determine the sound of the whole measure, even if there are accents present in the measure. And the MuseDrumline still just has countless flaws lol. Crescendos are just a hot mess, tiny subject change, it's the same with the Spitfire sounds on Solo Trumpet, mp accent is tiny, and a mf accent is HUGE, it's ridiculous, so you can imagine that paired with a crescendo from mp to mf is awful.
Obviously I'm expecting a LOT from MIDI, but one day I hope MIDI will get to the point that it just kinda sounds like a real recording (obviously I understand it's basically impossible to emulate the exact sound of the field, but you get what I mean), it's extremely helpful to play to at least for me, I mean we're already almost there, it just needs touch ups, cause the drumline sounds sound real enough now, another step we could take to get there is finally getting soundfonts (at least in MuseScore, idk of any applications that do have these) for instruments like Mellos, MARCHING Baritone Horns, and actual Contras or Sousa sounds instead of using the basic Tuba and French Horn sounds given. There's a long way to go, but honestly we're close enough, it'd be so nice to hear exactly what your show will sound and save some time on the field as a director.
To be fair, I have a lot of hidden dynamics in all three demonstrations just to make it more “human” but the software can feel finicky with it sometimes (ie I can’t hear MP taps after a F accent in Muse Sounds drumline or VDL just completely stopping the sound of F to get to MP)
I also had the mix the same all throughout the three variations. While I agree with your VDL points in this demonstration, I’ve been using it through the Kontakt VST recently and for whatever reason it’s super quiet on Musescore unless you turn their mix all the way up (especially quads). I’m hoping the Muse Hub edition solves these issues!
@@j-raydimalanta9991 Ohh I see, my bad, but but yeah I'm excited to see where all this MIDI can go.
@@j-raydimalanta9991I used Kontakt VDL through MS as well and I noticed that before 4.4, musescore didn’t automatically input velocity changes with whatever dynamics you put, hence the “quiet” sound (ie if you played an accent at fff, the velocity would remain the same but it would just sound louder). But now that issue is fixed 😁
thank you!
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Is it just me or does the Musesounds drumline sound worse than its predecessor on ms3? I mean I can hear the improvements in the architecture but it just doesnt sound as nice overall to me
It’s great that they used a world class corps to record the sounds but man, those Ludwig drums simply not the right move, they don’t sound good in any context
@@yungtwizludwigs sound awful lol
if you think any brand of drums sounds awful you know nothing about drums
@@eboone you clearly weren’t around for the system blue era
@@eboone awful was a strong word- they are just relatively the worst if I were to rank them in build and sound quality
Tom Rarick type groove at the beginning☠️
Thank you for this wonderful information! (I have some examples to the new paid Muse Sound comparisons on my channel!)
i don't even like cymbals
DID YOU GET VDL TO WORK???? It wont let me buy it??
I just realized that I can combine the best of all 3 worlds now…
I have MDL3 on Musescore 4. And VDL is only 10 bucks.
But I can go into the mixer and pick what specific drum I want to be from what drumline.
In my head I am imagining VDL snares, MDL3 Quads, and MDL4 basses.
How do you get MDL3 on musescore 4?
Yeah, how do you get MDL3 on MS4?
@@calebalderete1Theres a very helpful video on youtube about it
How do you get the DB-90 sounding metronome? It's awesome.
I can’t get the buzz sound simply by adding the Z on the not. I have to tab it down to a different note head for that sound in Muscore3. Any idea how to make it this way?
How do you get muescore 4 drumline?
VDL I didn't hear anything
Did you use Musescore for the VDL portion? If so, How did you get the Basses to actually play what was notated? Mine refuse to ;(
I did! Not sure if you've seen the video by Lukease (th-cam.com/video/oZqzOgNBiOc/w-d-xo.html if you haven;t) but he had made custom DRM files for a majority of the samples which I use. The Google Drive link is in his video description!