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Sleipner is awesome. It's super tough and easy to sharpen to a very fine edge. I would say 3V is like an upgraded Sleipner. Bohler k340 is another great steel similar to Sleipner, and k340 is kind of between Sleipner and Niolox. I would say these steels are like more in the 3V, PGK, and Cruwear family rather than D2, but they are non particle metallurgy and without much Vanadium.
Their compositions are very similar, but particle metallurgy causes 3v to be tougher. If 3V was non PM and without Vanadium it would be almost identicle to Sleipner.
G'day mate, short story if you have the time. I did a sharpening, .... no re-profiling .....job, lol, early in the year on a foodie mate's Chef knife, a mid range German, but "undisclosed" steel, (yes always a red flag, lol, ), Anyway, I spent a coupla hours on diamond stones, got about half the dings out, then sick of that lot, pulled the trigger, pardon the pun, on a Worksharp Ken Onion belt job, ..... about 15 min after delivery, pretty well perfect @17 deg. He has reported continuously, it's still like the day it was sharpened through tomatos/onoins/meat for example and he uses it A LOT !!!!, a coupla times a day at least, and almost exclusively, ................ though now much more careful to avoid bones, lol. So, fair to say, you can get lucky, I expect the HT/HRC at the edge happened to come out over spec, but thankfully still not chippy. I've had similar, (though in fairness, no where near as pronounced), experiences, with my modest outdoor inventory, ..... (even in the same quoted steels). Main point is; whist there's no doubt, steel composition and HT are relative to performance, (often like chalk and cheese ... as you'd expect), there are still those variables in the base material and manufacturing possess that can blur the lines, ..... I'd suggest even in the same batch, or possibly the individual blade. Not diss'n your comment at all, the science is great and I did learn something from your experience, thanks mate, but perhaps not always the "perfection" we're led to believe I'd say. Cheers Duke.
Sleipnir is a Norse name, it is Odin’s eight legged black horse, which was also one of Loki’s abomination children. It is said like (Slipe-nearrrrr) Scandinavian names and words when it comes to R’s, they are rolled. Kind of like Mexicans roll their R’s. For example Thor is actually properly said this way (T-orrrrr) the H is also silent. Loki’s other children besides Sleipnir include the wolf Fenrir, the world serpent Jormundgander, and Hela.
1. I read the comments before making mine now. I already have a couple of Esse 4 and a couple of Fallkniven f-1. So, buying the 200 will not happen. I bought the Spartan Blades and Buck fixed blade (yes, I have a source) recommended by you earlier this year. I also have about 50 fixed blades in the collection. So buying the 300 will not happen. 2. If you had no fixed blades, putting aside the price points, these knives appear to be excellent. 3. As always, remember that the quality and the price of knife are important. Moreover, how you will carry it and the material and quality of the sheath can prompt buy it or not decisions. I have J-P Peltonen combat knives used by two national armies. However, the issue sheath is not good. In a pile of old, leather sheaths, I found one that had better retention. The only other option was to spend a lot of money on a custom sheath.
@@austinbridge I will have to do a hole video on it at some point. Some say skeleton knives lack durability. And sure the are not as strong as a non skeletonized but I have never seen a knife fail in a handle of an exposed tang knife like these.
@@gideonstactical I completely agree. I haven't seen a skeletonized handle fail on a knife. Not sure what someone would be doing to make that happen! If anything, it makes it more versatile to add your own handle or more easily lash it to something if needed.
I don't like skeletonized handle either, it does make for a weaker knife and also makes the knife cost more. I'd rather have full tang non skeletonized
The "bas-ackwards" scales are so that when you stab somebody good through their Kevlar vest, you've got a really meaty handle to pull the blade back OUT of the bad guy. It's darn inconvenient when you're going all Jack Reacher on a few miscreants and your knife gets stuck in one of them. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. They both look pretty good, but I have to agree, I think they skeletonized a bit TOO much. Not as inexpensive as a Mora, but I don't see very many (any??) other blades with comparable steels and size in that price range that aren't made in Asia. I agree with others that the P200 would make a fine EDC and/or pack knife.
Bro i am betwin the CFK 7 peacemaker and the CFK 7 field/camp knife . I am considering the BK2 or the RAT 7 or RAT 5 or the Condor Blue Havoc . Please bro what is the best choice .
Do everything would be a rat seven. I probably wouldn’t go with the 511, I’ve never used it. Becker BKU is mind blowing around the campsite but not great with the fine work.
I had never heard of these until now nor have I seen them, but I would consider either one of them except that I would like to see a little more material left on the handle portion of the smaller knife. As far as the price points, I know I can get some good knives from trade and some from Cold Steel and other companies like steel will offer some very good knives in the 50 to 150.00 range but I think if the company tweak those models a little bit that they would be equal to the others such as the schf9 or the schf 26 what are the good old srk and the Recon Tanto. And they seem like they could also compete with the Bushcraft type knives made by Condor or even LT Wright
Those seem fabulous and I’ve never had Sleipner steel but I’m of the opinion that it’s all in the HT. If you have a good recipe for HT you can make tough blades.
Sleipner steel is innately a tough steel. Meaning that at high hardness it can resist edge chipping and breaking. This makes the steel very interesting in my book (It is kinda like an economical 3V). Sleipner steel always reminds me of a story when a knife designer/maker from Lionsteel was at the factory that makes Sleipner steel. There was a machine that was cutting steel sheets and the knife designer/maker basically said "I want the steel that cuts the steel." My only complaint with Sleipner steel is that its use in knives is at an infancy and there are no suppliers in America.
If one of these is used by the military, you need to keep in mind that the military are not bushcrafters. They are more like self-contained backpackers that take everything with them and don't need much of a knife. H2H happens in war but not very often with our better arms.
Over a 100$ for these models for D2 basically is a hard no. Unfortunately. Ide like to see them in the 60$ range. I get it it’s not a Chinese knife. BUT
Sleipner steel is not D2 steel, Sleipner is tougher as D2 and has a finer steel micro structure, from the properties it's more like a non powdered 3V. In my opinion Sleipner is a really good steel, not as good as 3V but not mutch behind 3V. Acta Non Verba produces knives on a high quality level, nearly on par as example TRC. I don't own the M200 or M300, I own two M311 Spelter (Sleipner and Elmax) and I own the M500 Anthropoid dagger, fit and finish of the kinves are exelent, good quality kydex sheath, overall top knives.
G'day Aaron, Nate, like that these two are designed for particular applications within the range, i.e. rather than just a big and a small version of the same thing. Shame about the handle shape, the "slop", (good pick up ..... and well put Nate, lol), doesn't make any sense I can think of ..... in fact, I'm think'n deal breaker, .... I reckon that'd be P155'n me off in the first 5 mins. The P300 reminds me a lot of my Steel Will Darkangel 900 in the tactical/field knife shtick; but in N690Co and with more sheath attachment options. Similarly priced too; arguably too much for either, but hey, sales aside, everything is going up. Re: Sleipner pronunciation .......... could well be wrong, but I think it's somewhere between an "e", "E" and an "I" sound, perhaps an "A" thrown in, lol, and you need a German or Scandi accent to nail it. In any event, good luck with that, I got sick of try'n, .... unless educated otherwise .... I'm going with sly - pner ; ) Cheers Duke.
I totally hear you. On a Bushcraft knife I would totally agree. These knives for their intended purpose. Lock you in pretty well and your finger doesn’t float.
Erin....sir🕵️ u r pernounsing it absolutely....CORRECT🤓 me,from DK,and speaking SW and NO aswell,way to go👍 Btw, Sleipner was Odins 8 legged horse🏇wasome vid btw😉
Hello Gideon, shouldn't they have called that steel type "slicener steel"? (Harder to mispronounce that, huh?)😊 Be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 🙏😇👊
Will have to disagree, has way more to do with the grind than the steel. Thin FFG grinds will break regardless of steel much sooner than a saber or scandi
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Sleipner is awesome. It's super tough and easy to sharpen to a very fine edge. I would say 3V is like an upgraded Sleipner. Bohler k340 is another great steel similar to Sleipner, and k340 is kind of between Sleipner and Niolox. I would say these steels are like more in the 3V, PGK, and Cruwear family rather than D2, but they are non particle metallurgy and without much Vanadium.
Thanks for sharing and glad you like it too
ehh, sleighed has nowhere near the toughness of cruwear or 3v.
Their compositions are very similar, but particle metallurgy causes 3v to be tougher. If 3V was non PM and without Vanadium it would be almost identicle to Sleipner.
By the way, Larrin says it's like Cruwear, and he developed Magnacut and is behind the website Knifesteelnerds, so yeah.
G'day mate, short story if you have the time.
I did a sharpening, .... no re-profiling .....job, lol, early in the year on a foodie mate's Chef knife, a mid range German, but "undisclosed" steel, (yes always a red flag, lol, ), Anyway, I spent a coupla hours on diamond stones, got about half the dings out, then sick of that lot, pulled the trigger, pardon the pun, on a Worksharp Ken Onion belt job, ..... about 15 min after delivery, pretty well perfect @17 deg.
He has reported continuously, it's still like the day it was sharpened through tomatos/onoins/meat for example and he uses it A LOT !!!!, a coupla times a day at least, and almost exclusively, ................ though now much more careful to avoid bones, lol.
So, fair to say, you can get lucky, I expect the HT/HRC at the edge happened to come out over spec, but thankfully still not chippy. I've had similar, (though in fairness, no where near as pronounced), experiences, with my modest outdoor inventory, ..... (even in the same quoted steels).
Main point is; whist there's no doubt, steel composition and HT are relative to performance, (often like chalk and cheese ... as you'd expect), there are still those variables in the base material and manufacturing possess that can blur the lines, ..... I'd suggest even in the same batch, or possibly the individual blade.
Not diss'n your comment at all, the science is great and I did learn something from your experience, thanks mate, but perhaps not always the "perfection" we're led to believe I'd say.
Cheers Duke.
Just got my p300 from Lamnia with 50% sale) GREAT deal. And it was last one...
Loved seeing a guest on your channel! Very cool addition to have your brother join in!
More to come!
Sleipnir is a Norse name, it is Odin’s eight legged black horse, which was also one of Loki’s abomination children. It is said like (Slipe-nearrrrr) Scandinavian names and words when it comes to R’s, they are rolled. Kind of like Mexicans roll their R’s. For example Thor is actually properly said this way (T-orrrrr) the H is also silent. Loki’s other children besides Sleipnir include the wolf Fenrir, the world serpent Jormundgander, and Hela.
The P200 looks like it might be a new fixed blade EDC to try! Thanks for your review!
You bet, glad you enjoyed the video and it was helpful.
I agree that it would best be suited to light duty combat utility. Something a soldier could put on a vest or ruck out in the field.
I’m still liking the older model. Would like to hold them before i could say for certain.
Sleipner tool steel is from Uddeholm in Sweden (sometimes described as a much improved D2). In Swedish, Google says it is pronounced "slape-ner".
1. I read the comments before making mine now.
I already have a couple of Esse 4 and a couple of Fallkniven f-1. So, buying the 200 will not happen.
I bought the Spartan Blades and Buck fixed blade (yes, I have a source) recommended by you earlier this year. I also have about 50 fixed blades in the collection. So buying the 300 will not happen.
2. If you had no fixed blades, putting aside the price points, these knives appear to be excellent.
3. As always, remember that the quality and the price of knife are important. Moreover, how you will carry it and the material and quality of the sheath can prompt buy it or not decisions. I have J-P Peltonen combat knives used by two national armies. However, the issue sheath is not good. In a pile of old, leather sheaths, I found one that had better retention. The only other option was to spend a lot of money on a custom sheath.
I have the JP Peltonen with kydex from the factory. Video coming soon on that one. 👍
@@gideonstacticallooking forward to that one as a Finn
very nice design. I look forward to getting one in hand at some point. thanks for the information.
Skeletonized handle is definitely a concern for me
I knew it would be an issue for some!
Why?
@@austinbridge I will have to do a hole video on it at some point. Some say skeleton knives lack durability. And sure the are not as strong as a non skeletonized but I have never seen a knife fail in a handle of an exposed tang knife like these.
@@gideonstactical I completely agree. I haven't seen a skeletonized handle fail on a knife. Not sure what someone would be doing to make that happen! If anything, it makes it more versatile to add your own handle or more easily lash it to something if needed.
I don't like skeletonized handle either, it does make for a weaker knife and also makes the knife cost more. I'd rather have full tang non skeletonized
The "bas-ackwards" scales are so that when you stab somebody good through their Kevlar vest, you've got a really meaty handle to pull the blade back OUT of the bad guy. It's darn inconvenient when you're going all Jack Reacher on a few miscreants and your knife gets stuck in one of them. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
They both look pretty good, but I have to agree, I think they skeletonized a bit TOO much. Not as inexpensive as a Mora, but I don't see very many (any??) other blades with comparable steels and size in that price range that aren't made in Asia. I agree with others that the P200 would make a fine EDC and/or pack knife.
I think the handle could be wider. I have a rather large palm, and the knife does not lie very comfortably.I have anw 250.
The aesthetics are much better than the old IMO
The handles are hideous
Bro i am betwin the CFK 7 peacemaker and the CFK 7 field/camp knife . I am considering the BK2 or the RAT 7 or RAT 5 or the Condor Blue Havoc . Please bro what is the best choice .
Do everything would be a rat seven. I probably wouldn’t go with the 511, I’ve never used it. Becker BKU is mind blowing around the campsite but not great with the fine work.
@@gideonstactical So you overall you put 1st the Rat 7 and next choice the BK2 ???
Good video and knife test. Thanks
I like the p200 l feel like it would be a good edc fixed blade. I agree with you guys on the handle being backwards though.
Ya very strange choice
It's a big I sound like Gideon says it. It's Odin's spear weapon that couldn't miss and destroyed whatever it hit.
I had never heard of these until now nor have I seen them, but I would consider either one of them except that I would like to see a little more material left on the handle portion of the smaller knife. As far as the price points, I know I can get some good knives from trade and some from Cold Steel and other companies like steel will offer some very good knives in the 50 to 150.00 range but I think if the company tweak those models a little bit that they would be equal to the others such as the schf9 or the schf 26 what are the good old srk and the Recon Tanto. And they seem like they could also compete with the Bushcraft type knives made by Condor or even LT Wright
Those seem fabulous and I’ve never had Sleipner steel but I’m of the opinion that it’s all in the HT. If you have a good recipe for HT you can make tough blades.
Totally agree
Sleipner steel is innately a tough steel. Meaning that at high hardness it can resist edge chipping and breaking. This makes the steel very interesting in my book (It is kinda like an economical 3V).
Sleipner steel always reminds me of a story when a knife designer/maker from Lionsteel was at the factory that makes Sleipner steel. There was a machine that was cutting steel sheets and the knife designer/maker basically said "I want the steel that cuts the steel."
My only complaint with Sleipner steel is that its use in knives is at an infancy and there are no suppliers in America.
If one of these is used by the military, you need to keep in mind that the military are not bushcrafters. They are more like self-contained backpackers that take everything with them and don't need much of a knife. H2H happens in war but not very often with our better arms.
Both knives are nice. I’ve never tried out MagnaCut. I would probably go with the clip point.
See them on big river but, it states steel is n690. Think I'll pull trigger on Joker Avispa, been wanting to try 14c28n. Take care. :)
Sleipner is actually my favourite non super steel knife steel
Sweet!!!
After watching this review I'm convinced to order a P300. I also like the idea of the swig rig
Nice, yeah, especially the swig rig is such a good design and it’s all I use now unless I’m mountain biking or snowboarding. 🏂
Tell us more about your experience with the ~80% carnivore diet. I’m super interested after listen to a bunch of podcasts and reading up on it.
Will do!
Almost bought the p200 but ended up with the esee 4hm instead. I just trust esee so much
The esee4 HM is an excellent blade. This one is lighter and will slice better with longer edges retention.
I'd go for (Santa's) Sleigh pner
Over a 100$ for these models for D2 basically is a hard no. Unfortunately. Ide like to see them in the 60$ range. I get it it’s not a Chinese knife. BUT
Sleipner steel is not D2 steel, Sleipner is tougher as D2 and has a finer steel micro structure, from the properties it's more like a non powdered 3V. In my opinion Sleipner is a really good steel, not as good as 3V but not mutch behind 3V. Acta Non Verba produces knives on a high quality level, nearly on par as example TRC. I don't own the M200 or M300, I own two M311 Spelter (Sleipner and Elmax) and I own the M500 Anthropoid dagger, fit and finish of the kinves are exelent, good quality kydex sheath, overall top knives.
Good Stuff ,)) CZ
A good Review of the ANV M200 and M300, the M200 is now on my buying list 👍🙂
Hope they made it with elmax
P200 looks like a winner.
It’s so good!!
Touch the tips knife knife review!
Dude, Beeee Careful!!! 😎🇺🇸
For me it is danglers all the way. Allows me to move freely. 🔪🎸
G'day Aaron, Nate, like that these two are designed for particular applications within the range, i.e. rather than just a big and a small version of the same thing.
Shame about the handle shape, the "slop", (good pick up ..... and well put Nate, lol), doesn't make any sense I can think of ..... in fact, I'm think'n deal breaker, .... I reckon that'd be P155'n me off in the first 5 mins.
The P300 reminds me a lot of my Steel Will Darkangel 900 in the tactical/field knife shtick; but in N690Co and with more sheath attachment options. Similarly priced too; arguably too much for either, but hey, sales aside, everything is going up.
Re: Sleipner pronunciation .......... could well be wrong, but I think it's somewhere between an "e", "E" and an "I" sound, perhaps an "A" thrown in, lol, and you need a German or Scandi accent to nail it. In any event, good luck with that, I got sick of try'n, .... unless educated otherwise .... I'm going with sly - pner ; )
Cheers Duke.
Sleighp-neahr
@@vorpalblades Thanks for the reply mate, that makes sense. Cheers Duke.
In Sweden we say slay-pner.
I can't stand choiled handles , just like the Mora Bushcraft Black the bumb is just annoying .
I totally hear you. On a Bushcraft knife I would totally agree. These knives for their intended purpose. Lock you in pretty well and your finger doesn’t float.
Erin....sir🕵️ u r pernounsing it absolutely....CORRECT🤓 me,from DK,and speaking SW and NO aswell,way to go👍
Btw, Sleipner was Odins 8 legged horse🏇wasome vid btw😉
If it was sleepner, it would be spelled like sleepner 😂. Thanks Aaron
The Mikov Uton is a Czech knife you might like. Leather sheath and a saw blade in the pouch. I love mine.
I'd give $53 at most for either
And why would that be
@@susannschmidt6915 that's all he got...
European pronounciation "slipner", the second vowel being dominant.
No thanks, way to expensive for me. I'll stay with Mora Companion and Glock 78 🤗... OK or a KA- BAR USMC ....
Hello Gideon, shouldn't they have called that steel type "slicener steel"? (Harder to mispronounce that, huh?)😊 Be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 🙏😇👊
I think there is much better choices for the price.
That would be a good thought Experiment, would be curious to know what models you’re thinking of?
So like Thor's horse?
Close
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I pronounce it like Slepner.
Nice thanks!!
Sleighp-neahr
Sleigh-pner. 😅
The "ei" in German is pronounced like a long i.
In German ei is pronounced I.
Nope...
Can you be more specific?
@@gideonstacticalgotta finish watching it. Got your attention.
Your videos and presentations are terrific. Gidean caught my attention.
Thanks so much my friend@@WEREWOLFUSMC
@@gideonstactical i really wish i could tell you more. Don't worry so much.
Algorithm comment
Much Thanks!!
The handle looks ghetto AF
Tip test is a joke, push that knife over and peel that wood out. Should not break if quality is good.
Will have to disagree, has way more to do with the grind than the steel. Thin FFG grinds will break regardless of steel much sooner than a saber or scandi
If the tip is that thin, unless the knife is a kitchen knife or designed for a special use its not practical for out door EDC@@gideonstactical
@@WilliamMurphy-vu8rk I guess it would depend on your use case.