Wtf ????? Smugness??? 😂😂😂😂😂 Lol dude you're literally watching a smug indian politician spewing rubbish in Oxford. Nobody will give you an apology for anything Grow up
You would be surprised what they leave out in British history classes. They give them the narrative that colonial rule was overall a good things for the countries that were conquered and was needed to 'civilize' the indigenous populations. Most British kids don't know the massive role India played in England's industrialization and world wars.
BRITIAN never acknowledged ..once of the repercussions and horror that was caused..by colonisation !!! Its a sense of national and collective conscience ..that needs the acknowledgement. Its like if GERMANY NEVER EVER acknowledged THE HORROR done to the JEWS ever..and dismiss it everytime!! Its an insult and we want the acknowledgement thats it.
we dont need their money.. we are buying their companies anyway.. lett them invest here.. but i dont think they have the money. and a pound per year works for us because we are proud people.. and we dont want to cling to the past..we are a country that is 10000 years old.. we will shine again because we learnt our lesson
@@rahubang12 who said Indians don't want it? indian government many time approached to england goverment. may be people like u don't want to return and nobody renamed it
Lmao!! Britain can't pay monetary reparation to us anyway, they will go bankrupt There are estimates that total amount of reparation would cost more than $42 trillion They have to sell their country for 10 times to pay that amount😁😁
Loved this video Nick and Chris I agree with you guys that Much like America (I’m American)who owes reparations to Native Americans, African Americans, and Mexico, Britain owes India reparations. First and foremost Britain owes India a formal apology......can’t believe this hasn’t happened yet but an apology goes a long way. As the speaker mentions Britain’s today may not necessarily been responsible for India’s oppression, However their ancestors did and many of the British elites today families build their empires at the cost of the Indian people. I do understand Chris’ point about there needing to be a monetary part to Britain’s reparations because many of their wealthier English citizens built those riches on the blood, sweat, and tears of Indians and as the old adage goes “ Put your money where your mouth is!” I think the most important thing is as the speaker mentioned acknowledging that reparations are owed.....which is essences is admitting that the British government policies of colonization was wrong.
Right👍! and remember the Queen of England is still alive, and therefore she was very much a part of all that Dr. Tharoor mentioned.... none of this is history as yet...
Britain must regret what they did with India. We don't want our resources back. But They can say sorry to India and Indians are so kind hearted and simple People.
Thanks for watching this. Thank you for watching this video. It is chock full of information, or at it reveals subjects that might need exploring. I'm glad Chris is taking the time to think about it to see what other ways there may be to look at the subject. To that end, here's a link to the other videos of people from various sides giving their views of the issue at the debate at Oxford Union. That might help some. I think he had more to say, but realized that he was too short on time to fully make his case, and, perhaps, he had forgotten a major point that wasn't jumping out at him. Maybe something like Britain leaving India with a literacy rate of around 13% because their education budget for the whole of India was less than half of the Education Budget for New York City. Or that Britain left the country with a Hundred Grand in the Indian treasury. It doesn't matter if it was $100,000 or £100,000 Or 100,000 Rs. It was a hundred grand left in the treasury to run the whole country. In any case, here are the other debate videos for this: th-cam.com/video/SjTSgP6Lm0A/w-d-xo.html
The point is that the British have always been saying that they did a great favour to India by ruling it. Instead they have actually done immense harm and should acknowledge it, and let the new generation know how much they owe their prosperity to colonised countries. At the least, it might positively change their present attitude towards migration.
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Hi, We don't want their money we want Queen say sorry to us.
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Bro he is got his doctorate degree which is also called phD degree in international relations at the age of 22 also worked for more than 20 years at united nations Indeed he is just magnificent
In the end, his confidence didn't deflate. It was just a debate not an actual appeal to the British Government. He said the PRINCIPLE mattered much more. Britain never apologized for it and they are still benefiting from stolen stuff from India. In 10 Years max, India would be richer than Britain again (without colonizing or any dirty money).
@@davidhoward2487 Did you mean Ass In Pain (AID)? I guess at this point, UK needs more aid from all the countries to at least build an efficient Space Programme that actually works.
Apology is not a slap on the face because we have been denied even that let alone the acknowledgement of anything wrong was done. That's why the British of today take pride in their history of plundering. History of that is not even taught in British schools. An acknowledgement will improve all that.
Indian govt, after this debate, said officially it doesnt need any monetary sum as reparations from Britain. Its the acknowledgement that we Indians want. And I am also in support that you cant tax this generation for oast generations mistake, thats because i believe we or our forefathers all committed sins, that we know or not know of. So, on behalf of forefathers, there shld only be an 'acknowledgement' ,and not any sort of punishment on todays generation. Only God can deliver cosmic justice, not humans.
Reparations in the form of acknowledgement not money. To apologise for wat has been done. To teach their kids about colonial history and to return all stolen items from british museum....nd by the way a pound a year will b a shame to them to just remind dem every year wat dey did.
He was talking from the Indian perspective today india is in position that we don't want any money from Britain, but we think that atleast Britain should say sorry to what they have done to us👍👍.
Remember india is the 3rd biggest economy in the world now..they built nothing in india..they left us in shit and they said take care of it. This is a debate in the most famous arena the oxford union.
Chris' points were on mark. What is a nation going to do with a dime a year ? Point is ' how will the major issues both economic and cultural trashed on the Indian subcontinent be tackled ?'. "Demand" and "Request" both find apt usage at different times. At present "Demand" works because it is both factually and ethically correct ! Often we find 'intellectuals' overturning the entire argument they built. It is similar to building a fort while leaving a gap inbetween structures so it can be destroyed anytime.... Usually don't comment on reaction videos but had to on this one.
The perfect day and opportunity for the British to apologize was suggested by Dr Tharoor himself - the 13 Apr 2019, the centenary of the Jalianwala Bagh massacre! He suggested the Queen (after all the colonies were established in her name) apologize and that would have gone a long long way as a catharsis for all the British people for the inhuman wrongs (the number of people killed in British induced famines alone outnumber the Jews massacred by Hitler) the British colonial enterprise had perpetrated on all its colonial subjects! Alas! the opportunity was missed and not availed by the Queen! The British stiff upper lip or the iron rod in the neck maybe! Whatever! Pity how long you intend to sleep with your demons before u decide to get rid of them by facing the truth! p.s. - General Dyer the perpetrator of the Jalianwala Bagh massacre was presented with a gift of £26,000 sterling, a huge sum in those days, equivalent to £1,052,047 in 2019, which emerged from the fund raised on his behalf by the Morning Post, a conservative, pro-imperialist newspaper which later merged with the Daily Telegraph. The Morning Post had supported Dyer's action on the grounds that the massacre was necessary to "Protect the honour of European Women".
@chris..Mate we don't want any money from Britain. It's only been 75 years of Independence and we have brought India back as top 5 economies of the world. But the emotional, cultural and racial exploitation we went through is incredible. We want Britain to acknowledge that someday. We have already moved on from that nightmare. In tharoor's words, "It's a tool of atonement for Britishers."
A small gesture of reparation would be to return ancient Indian artifacts that are in British museums. A new documentary shows the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of artifacts smuggled out of India. Check out its trailer: th-cam.com/video/bdZTFJAFK1g/w-d-xo.html
@guy with sleepy eyes, This was never about the money. When he quantified those figures from WW I, he was appealing to logos as any good argument need logos, ethos or pathos. He appealed with all of them. His confidence didn't waiver at the end. He wants brits to acknowledge their misdeeds which they have never done. They don't teach a line of their own history aka colonialism to their own kids in school. If that is not trying to push everything under the rug, I don't know what is. Brit kids don't know anything about atrocities committed in the name of colonialism. That is height of lack of acknowledgement and very cowardly. So saying just sorry might sound ludicrous to you but it is a big deal and big step. Their queen still wears kohinoor which was stolen from India. That shows that their head is still in clouds and they don't feel the need to apologize. They celebrate a guy like Winston Churchill who was a racist and you can tell that from his published quotes. Also they just left the country and partitioned it which caused so much bloodshed and chaos. Whatever India has achieved so far after independence in 1947, it did by itself.
When it comes to reparation it can be: make easy rules for Indian students to get admission to better colleges in England, create reservations in govt positions for Indians wherever is possible, allowing Healthcare facilities in a affordable cost to India, share advances research in field of power energy and agriculture rather dn asking cost for it there can be a long list and bureaucrats know it very well, but deny as it will not benefit them monetarily
Very few minority people that I come across online especially some British people say British rule actually did good for India and Indians should be thankful for British for giving us democracy! It's a pity their text books are written with a political agenda. That was the reason this video went viral.
The Queen still has the khoinoor diamond in her crown they took it from an 8 year old boy and said it's a gift it's shameful. We don't money we want the diamond back we can keep it in our museum . They took this boy to England and he died so poor. He was of royalty. Indians are not weak we don't believe in violence. I'm from
Theres no personal grudges against britain and its people its cool, its just that the government just wiped it off of theyre history, the colonization, the atrocities they have done in the past, like it never happened, maybe thats why there's a debate because of that in the first place.
Whenever I watching this video his speech , I feel no one forget the British ,I can realise how much my forefathers suffer by these British. I’m not happy about British ☠️👻
It is all about the British realising what they did. They learn the fact in schools that the British Empire was for the greater good of the world. In India we are forgiving, we just want the country to acknowledge what they did. Sorry means a lot.
He mentioned not even 10% of what britain did to India.. We still know this from our grandparents who were told this by their parents how horrible it was. British soldiers use to kill people at will as every Indian was treated as subjects not humans, they use to abduct women everyday. It was worse than Hitlar. He ended like that because UK now won't be able to pay that much with their economic downfall. Their economy is worse than Indian economy now. That's why he said "a pound a year" sounds more realistic.
A few years ago, the British Government made a conditional apology for the massacre they perpetrated in Amritsar, called the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, where unarmed civilians were executed for peaceful assembly against the British Government in India. With that context, it might be easier for everyone to understand how the average Indian might feel about British Colonialism. I take issue with how you stated( one of you gentlemen) that the man speaking diluted his argument by conceding the context of history. If you are willing to ignore the grace with which the man concedes aspects of the argument to ensure that he states the truly problematic aspect of the British Government of today not accepting the wrongs of the colonial rule , by educating the public about a true history of their misadventures, then you choose to ignore the wrongs done to them. I only question this aspect of your response. And I'm hoping we can have a conversation about this where we can have a better understanding of what really happened to India in the last couple of centuries. That's all the validation any Indian is hoping for, because we don't need the British Govt's money for anything to be honest.
Dr. Sashi Tharoor said that he didn't care if reparations was something other than money, but before saying that he pointed out all the times Britain DID in fact pay reparations. It would look pretty bad if Britain didn't give India any money at all. The US having its roots in Britain has this same issue, but with several minority groups, and in some cases the US has paid reparations--Native Americans and the Japanese Americans come to mind. Americans arguing who's going to pay for it is stupid and a distraction used to change the subject. The US government pays a number of countries for military and economics assistance by the billions and no one wonders were that money is going to come from. If Americans were truly worried, why don't they argue for higher taxes for the rich? Citizens' Bank, Canal Bank, Citibank, Bank of America and Wells Fargo are all banks that benefited from slavery. Wall Street and a number of wealthy families in the States benefited from slavery too and White Americans still benefit from the system put in place way back when and the new ones designed to keep minorities from catching up--Joe Machin won't even consider voting for reform to make voting fair for all, lol. Anyway, the US owes monetary reparations and then some to African Americans and their communities. African Americans couldn't get adequate education until the 1950 and it would take another 10 to 20 years via bussing to make it more assemble to them. Even with an education, many still struggled finding work that paid as well as their counterparts. Affirmative action slowly rolled out making it easier, but it was still a struggle for them. African Americans couldn't really grow wealth until recently and its been said that the average White family has times more money in the bank that the average African American family. The US needs to lift the people it has oppressed for centuries and it certainly needs to say sorry for the horrors it put their families through.
What kind of reparations ? No amount of money can do the reparations, so forget about the money. It's simply Acknowledgement which they don't have enough courage to do.
We indians can forgive them but no body can escape from KARMA ....!! PS:- If Queen Wants To Sale Kohinoor from her Crown in the Dark Days then We indians Are Ready To Buy that and take back to BHARATH... #JaiSriraam #JaiShivajiMahraj🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
India does not need financial assistance from Britain today. If at all Britian does from India. But accepting and apologizing for your sins leads the way forward.
Britain has given hundreds of millions of pounds to India in aid. And did you know India is given more charity money than any other country in the world. India collected a whopping 4.2 billion dollars in aid. Britain actually came third in countries who give the most, China was top, America second...good work lads
@@makethatabakersdozen9655 Did you know that a majority of foreign aid is given not to governments but NGOs. Which in India have the primary objective of eliminating native traditions and converting the most vulnerable Indians. That is why since 2014 the Modi government has cancelled the license of over 15,000 foreign NGOs.
@@tirthshah1580 No I didn't know that. But I found it ironic that you said India doesn't need any money from Britain. When in actual fact India is the single largest beneficiary of foreign aid. And to suggest that Britain needs financial help from India is just ridiculous.
Britain is not in a position to pay money ..it's better they say sorry not only to India but to all countries they colonised....India will reclaim its glory by own.
Before reacting on this video you guys have to know fees facts about British rule in India. They stole everything from India and still the queen use to put the stolen diamond from India(Kohinoor) in her crown. One guys out you said that Dr sashi confidence was low at the end of the speech. Then let me clear it- he was full of emotions and anger, fact is that he swept Britain standing in Britain’s house
Britishers stole $45 trillion from INDIA in 200 years of colonisation. You can also find so many Indian artifects in UK and it's museums are full of Indian artifects. Also, the the most precious "KOHINOOR" diamond was stolen from India , which is now on the crown of Queen of UK. Always Remember :- "Truth is always Bitter". You may accept it or you may offend.
He said that in the end because today India have bigger economy than Britain and i think it's more shameful to live with knowing that you did wrong to someone but do not have enough money to compensate the losses caused by you and all you can do is be sorry and always knowing the fact that you owe a lot of money to a country.. now if they pay us back all the billions of dollars as reparation there will be no more debates you know.. it will be like i broke your house, killed some of your relatives but i paid up for everything in the end, that's a win win for the burglar, so we don't want British money we just want them to feel sorry and humiliated for the rest of their life..
He was saying india doesnt want any reperation now and can take care of itself without any aid from britian. Giving money to india is like insulting india as it uses more money on fertilizers as he pointed out. Instead Britians saying sorry will restore some sense of justice.
Britain has memorial honouring cananin which served and sacrificed in world war but not even an acknowledgement or mention of the Human lives lost ,esply Indians by them. That's the moral debt they have toward all those ppl who wore the British uniform and fought for them when it is not even their fight to start with.
You asked in a comment what reparations Britian could do. Let me explain briefly. The point the comments here and, of course, the same comments made by Shashi Tharoor in his speech is the fact that: any reparations in the form of a monetary value cannot atone for the rapes, looting, dehumanizing, and massacres, and the genocide of the Indian people, its culture, and its traditions. You cannot ask for Britain to give India a monetary sum equal to the colonization of India. Why? Because it actually has been calculated by academics and Britian does not have nor Will Ever Have that amount of money. • We do not need nor do we want their guilt-filled blood money. Britian knows and we know that what India wants is something Britian will never be able to do because it took them 100 years to recognize just ONE massacre they committed in India. Let me repeat: They RECOGNIZED, in 2019, that the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre occurred and "expressed deep regret", no formal apology and no acceptance of their role in the massacre. The fact is that there are genuine things Britian can do to atone for their inhumane colonization of India. They have never fully admitted to their actions during their colonization of India nor have they have ever apologized, their schooling system makes light of their colonization of India, their citizens say shit like "Britain was a benevolent colonial power" (an offensive myth), and finally, their politicians like their former Prime Minister David Cameron say shit like "it would be wrong to reach back into history". I'd like to leave you with a quote from one of the young British officers on the September 1857 seizure of Delhi during Sepoy Mutiny: "The orders were to shoot every soul... it was literally murder."
This is good information. Thanks for sharing this perspective. Our main point with our discussion was to illustrate the idea that we can’t think of anything that would be a proper reparation either but if we’re really talking about it it should be something hard to do. We never meant to imply that money would take away all the hurt.
@@BoringReviews You're correct in thinking that an easy reparation is to just throw money at the problem. India knows this and of course, the British do too. They're the ones to always suggest it! But it's not about the "easy way out" for us, we want them to atone. Nations have does so before. Like Shashi Tharoor said, "so it is not as if this is something that is unprecedented or unheard of that somehow opens some sort of nasty Pandora box". The problem lies solely with Britian who haven't got their head on straight. Maybe one day, they will.
Brits never studied these dark chapters in schools as UK government conveniently hidden under the carpet. Draconian colonial rule should be know to all British citizens.
India does not need " donations" from Britain for its development. We are sufficiently capable to develop our country. We don't need britain's help. The point is that Britain as of today does not even acknowledge the wrongs that were done. They simply deny their colonial history. The point is ACKNOWLEDGING. We have a war memorial for the soldiers who died fighting for the British. How about the Prime Minister of England visiting their and making a statement of acknowledging the wrongs that were done, apologising for it, and asking the people of both the countries to move forward? We do not need money. We don't want to put a price on the lives that were lost. So Britain can keep their money.
Britain took at-least 8 trilon Dollar from India , Including the Diamond on the Queens crown . Indian Economy IS Bigger than UK , and In PPP terms we are 3rd largest , as he said ... Britain dont have any capacity to us back . So we Indians dont Expect Monetary support ... as fellow human being as a Little kid would ask a fiend to say sorry ... we Indians are ok with Just sorry ... cause we know we are not less human , that Britsh could not do in 200 years , we have done it in 70.... We are nive People just ok with nothing ... but a golden heart in return....
Can someone explain what the British girl was trying to argue???? Was she saying that since the speaker at some point praised other Democratic Empires(which employed slavery then He should also be praising or accepting Britain because oppression is the Nature of colonization????? I hope I just misunderstood her argument!
The girl said other western speakers talked with pride about democracy especially Athenian(Greek) democracy but the Greek society functioned well co it was built on hard work of slaves. So the West really can't be proud of this cos colonial mentality was a part if their psyche from ancient times.
That would be 40-50 Trillion dollars and today’s money by most estimates.....Britain will go bankrupt but I agree with the long hair dude. What’s the point of reparations if you don’t pay up for all the loot of a country as large as India for 200 years
@@nizampalace No my friend. If you add up all the money in world today. All the people's banks, wages, savings, would equal about 38 trillion dollars. So that would be impossible to take 50 trillion dollars from India.
Ok.. to give you a rough figure. The money owed simply for WW1 & 2 to India by Britain amounts to 81 billion pounds in today's money. This would straight up triple our military budget for example. Think about that for a second.
To the long haired guy , estimates made show a minimum of 30trillion pounds looted from India in 200years by the British and for the lives lost in torture it's immeasurable. So Britain just can't pay India so much in another 400 years atleast
He published his first book at the age of 6, completed his PhD at the age of 22 and served at UN for almost 22 years. He is definitely a intellectual.
@RR true .
And he killed his wife.
@@makethatabakersdozen9655 You're more smarter than High Court judiciary. I wonder why don't you apply for the position of supreme Court judge.
@RR They are more valuable than your BJP Yuva morcha certificate.
@@mervinupton4789 Thanks mate I just might do that...to give something back to the community.
The Kohinoor diamond which is in the crown of the Queen of England belongs to India... returning that with an honest apology would be great at least.
Arjit Sharma
If anything, That should be returned.
@@dmerlin777If someone reports seeing a stolen good, can Interpol help?
There's more than one crown that the queen wears depending on the occasion. What crown are you talking about here?
Britain till date has not even made verbal apology for the wongs done forget the smugness displayed amd total denial of actions
That’s deplorable.
Read the Black Hole of Calcutta....
@@davidhoward2487 Read 5 of the worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire.......
@@davidhoward2487Yhh what about it?
Wtf ?????
Smugness??? 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol dude you're literally watching a smug indian politician spewing rubbish in Oxford. Nobody will give you an apology for anything
Grow up
The speaker is one of India's most educated Member of Parliament. He was also a General Secretary nominee for the United Nations.
@Vik D got thrashed in Delhi too...keep licking your wounds you bigoted Hindutvadi
You would be surprised what they leave out in British history classes. They give them the narrative that colonial rule was overall a good things for the countries that were conquered and was needed to 'civilize' the indigenous populations. Most British kids don't know the massive role India played in England's industrialization and world wars.
BRITIAN never acknowledged ..once of the repercussions and horror that was caused..by colonisation !!!
Its a sense of national and collective conscience ..that needs the acknowledgement.
Its like if GERMANY NEVER EVER acknowledged THE HORROR done to the JEWS ever..and dismiss it everytime!!
Its an insult and we want the acknowledgement thats it.
we dont need their money.. we are buying their companies anyway.. lett them invest here.. but i dont think they have the money. and a pound per year works for us because we are proud people.. and we dont want to cling to the past..we are a country that is 10000 years old.. we will shine again because we learnt our lesson
*Ever noticed that massive diamond on the crown of the queen of England, guess where they stole that from.. you guessed it right*
But Indians do not want it. Even if it is returned to India some people will ask it to be renamed the very next day.
@@rahubang12 and call it RSS DIAMOND
@@rahubang12 who said Indians don't want it? indian government many time approached to england goverment. may be people like u don't want to return and nobody renamed it
We know it will not come. But if it comes, why renaming it is an issue 🙄 ?
@@rohanbasu9789 one day you will thank RSS
Lmao!! Britain can't pay monetary reparation to us anyway, they will go bankrupt
There are estimates that total amount of reparation would cost more than $42 trillion
They have to sell their country for 10 times to pay that amount😁😁
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Joseph Lucas yeah, 200 years of continuous loot suggests otherwise
Don't even count thousands of lost human lives
He was educating all the British students the syllabus that was missing from their history book.
No one explained this for us before. Thanks.
British museums still have looted precious properties from India including Kohinoor diamond😡
This guy was in the running for UN secretary general's post at one point of time. He had lost the race to a guy from South Korea.
Loved this video Nick and Chris I agree with you guys that Much like America (I’m American)who owes reparations to Native Americans, African Americans, and Mexico, Britain owes India reparations. First and foremost Britain owes India a formal apology......can’t believe this hasn’t happened yet but an apology goes a long way. As the speaker mentions Britain’s today may not necessarily been responsible for India’s oppression, However their ancestors did and many of the British elites today families build their empires at the cost of the Indian people. I do understand Chris’ point about there needing to be a monetary part to Britain’s reparations because many of their wealthier English citizens built those riches on the blood, sweat, and tears of Indians and as the old adage goes “ Put your money where your mouth is!” I think the most important thing is as the speaker mentioned acknowledging that reparations are owed.....which is essences is admitting that the British government policies of colonization was wrong.
Right👍! and remember the Queen of England is still alive, and therefore she was very much a part of all that Dr. Tharoor mentioned.... none of this is history as yet...
Britain must regret what they did with India. We don't want our resources back.
But They can say sorry to India and Indians are so kind hearted and simple People.
Remember! The Queen of England is still alive, and hence it's still not history...
Just one word 'SORRY' won't take the life away.
His confidence is at peak at all times. He is a genius. Period. At the end he was being humane.
People of Bengal will Never Forgive Churchill For What He Had Done.
The debate was about 'whether reparations are owed or not' not what they are supposed to be.
Thanks for watching this. Thank you for watching this video. It is chock full of information, or at it reveals subjects that might need exploring. I'm glad Chris is taking the time to think about it to see what other ways there may be to look at the subject.
To that end, here's a link to the other videos of people from various sides giving their views of the issue at the debate at Oxford Union. That might help some. I think he had more to say, but realized that he was too short on time to fully make his case, and, perhaps, he had forgotten a major point that wasn't jumping out at him. Maybe something like Britain leaving India with a literacy rate of around 13% because their education budget for the whole of India was less than half of the Education Budget for New York City. Or that Britain left the country with a Hundred Grand in the Indian treasury. It doesn't matter if it was $100,000 or £100,000 Or 100,000 Rs. It was a hundred grand left in the treasury to run the whole country.
In any case, here are the other debate videos for this:
th-cam.com/video/SjTSgP6Lm0A/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Chris.
The point is that the British have always been saying that they did a great favour to India by ruling it. Instead they have actually done immense harm and should acknowledge it, and let the new generation know how much they owe their prosperity to colonised countries. At the least, it might positively change their present attitude towards migration.
Hi,
We don't want their money we want Queen say sorry to us.
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Bro he is got his doctorate degree which is also called phD degree in international relations at the age of 22 also worked for more than 20 years at united nations
Indeed he is just magnificent
In the end, his confidence didn't deflate. It was just a debate not an actual appeal to the British Government. He said the PRINCIPLE mattered much more. Britain never apologized for it and they are still benefiting from stolen stuff from India. In 10 Years max, India would be richer than Britain again (without colonizing or any dirty money).
britain is no where in the world economy scale, india is in one of the top, and it's still growing at a rapid rate, alongside other countries.
@@Meganbaplayer Yep got your own Space Programme, was that developed from the UK's Foreign Aid?
@@davidhoward2487 Did you mean Ass In Pain (AID)? I guess at this point, UK needs more aid from all the countries to at least build an efficient Space Programme that actually works.
Apology is not a slap on the face because we have been denied even that let alone the acknowledgement of anything wrong was done. That's why the British of today take pride in their history of plundering. History of that is not even taught in British schools. An acknowledgement will improve all that.
You clearly dont know anything about British schooling. I am British and we studied Amritsar massacre etc.
*If u have watched Lagaan i reckon everything falls in place...that movie and this speech*
Someone give that big guy a pillow and blanket
Indian govt, after this debate, said officially it doesnt need any monetary sum as reparations from Britain.
Its the acknowledgement that we Indians want.
And I am also in support that you cant tax this generation for oast generations mistake, thats because i believe we or our forefathers all committed sins, that we know or not know of.
So, on behalf of forefathers, there shld only be an 'acknowledgement' ,and not any sort of punishment on todays generation. Only God can deliver cosmic justice, not humans.
Reparations in the form of acknowledgement not money. To apologise for wat has been done. To teach their kids about colonial history and to return all stolen items from british museum....nd by the way a pound a year will b a shame to them to just remind dem every year wat dey did.
David Cameron visited jalianwalabhagh... It's more than sufficient...
*You can read his Books. Shashi Tharoor has written so well on this subject.*
Archbishop Of Canterbury apologized for jalianwala bagh massacre at it's centenary but so far there hasn't been any formal apology from Britain.
That’s sad. Sometimes in life acknowledging something we have done or did not do means everything
@@BoringReviews very true.
He was the general undersecretary at un and was nominated to become Secretary General
Britain owe so much reparations that from such amount we can pay USA debt 3 times. $72Trillions
He has written a Book on the same topic , so he knows everything very well bro !
we always forever but never forget 🙏
The guy on the right side was so sleepy and bored and he had no idea what he just watched 😂
They have artifacts and diamonds stolen from India. They could return them to begin with. The Queen still wears the kohinoo in her crown.
Yes
He was talking from the Indian perspective today india is in position that we don't want any money from Britain, but we think that atleast Britain should say sorry to what they have done to us👍👍.
Remember india is the 3rd
biggest economy in the world now..they built nothing in india..they
left us in shit and they said
take care of it.
This is a debate in the most famous arena the oxford union.
Chris' points were on mark. What is a nation going to do with a dime a year ? Point is ' how will the major issues both economic and cultural trashed on the Indian subcontinent be tackled ?'. "Demand" and "Request" both find apt usage at different times. At present "Demand" works because it is both factually and ethically correct !
Often we find 'intellectuals' overturning the entire argument they built. It is similar to building a fort while leaving a gap inbetween structures so it can be destroyed anytime.... Usually don't comment on reaction videos but had to on this one.
countries can do reparations in different ways, supporting each other diplomatically, enhancing trade between each other and build each other
The other guy was thinking about meatballs all the time
The British didn't even apologise. Now if you ask them to give money you will not get it even in your dream
The perfect day and opportunity for the British to apologize was suggested by Dr Tharoor himself - the 13 Apr 2019, the centenary of the Jalianwala Bagh massacre! He suggested the Queen (after all the colonies were established in her name) apologize and that would have gone a long long way as a catharsis for all the British people for the inhuman wrongs (the number of people killed in British induced famines alone outnumber the Jews massacred by Hitler) the British colonial enterprise had perpetrated on all its colonial subjects! Alas! the opportunity was missed and not availed by the Queen! The British stiff upper lip or the iron rod in the neck maybe! Whatever! Pity how long you intend to sleep with your demons before u decide to get rid of them by facing the truth!
p.s. - General Dyer the perpetrator of the Jalianwala Bagh massacre was presented with a gift of £26,000 sterling, a huge sum in those days, equivalent to £1,052,047 in 2019, which emerged from the fund raised on his behalf by the Morning Post, a conservative, pro-imperialist newspaper which later merged with the Daily Telegraph. The Morning Post had supported Dyer's action on the grounds that the massacre was necessary to "Protect the honour of European Women".
@chris..Mate we don't want any money from Britain. It's only been 75 years of Independence and we have brought India back as top 5 economies of the world. But the emotional, cultural and racial exploitation we went through is incredible. We want Britain to acknowledge that someday. We have already moved on from that nightmare. In tharoor's words, "It's a tool of atonement for Britishers."
A small gesture of reparation would be to return ancient Indian artifacts that are in British museums.
A new documentary shows the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of artifacts smuggled out of India. Check out its trailer:
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@guy with sleepy eyes, This was never about the money. When he quantified those figures from WW I, he was appealing to logos as any good argument need logos, ethos or pathos. He appealed with all of them. His confidence didn't waiver at the end. He wants brits to acknowledge their misdeeds which they have never done. They don't teach a line of their own history aka colonialism to their own kids in school. If that is not trying to push everything under the rug, I don't know what is. Brit kids don't know anything about atrocities committed in the name of colonialism. That is height of lack of acknowledgement and very cowardly. So saying just sorry might sound ludicrous to you but it is a big deal and big step. Their queen still wears kohinoor which was stolen from India. That shows that their head is still in clouds and they don't feel the need to apologize. They celebrate a guy like Winston Churchill who was a racist and you can tell that from his published quotes. Also they just left the country and partitioned it which caused so much bloodshed and chaos. Whatever India has achieved so far after independence in 1947, it did by itself.
When it comes to reparation it can be: make easy rules for Indian students to get admission to better colleges in England, create reservations in govt positions for Indians wherever is possible, allowing Healthcare facilities in a affordable cost to India, share advances research in field of power energy and agriculture rather dn asking cost for it there can be a long list and bureaucrats know it very well, but deny as it will not benefit them monetarily
The diamond on the crown of British queen is the biggest symbol of showin themselves to the world that they are the greatest theif of all time
Very few minority people that I come across online especially some British people say British rule actually did good for India and Indians should be thankful for British for giving us democracy! It's a pity their text books are written with a political agenda. That was the reason this video went viral.
India used to call as "Sone ki Chiriya" in english " Golden Bird"
The Queen still has the khoinoor diamond in her crown they took it from an 8 year old boy and said it's a gift it's shameful. We don't money we want the diamond back we can keep it in our museum . They took this boy to England and he died so poor. He was of royalty. Indians are not weak we don't believe in violence. I'm from
Theres no personal grudges against britain and its people its cool, its just that the government just wiped it off of theyre history, the colonization, the atrocities they have done in the past, like it never happened, maybe thats why there's a debate because of that in the first place.
Whenever I watching this video his speech , I feel no one forget the British ,I can realise how much my forefathers suffer by these British. I’m not happy about British ☠️👻
It is all about the British realising what they did. They learn the fact in schools that the British Empire was for the greater good of the world. In India we are forgiving, we just want the country to acknowledge what they did. Sorry means a lot.
He mentioned not even 10% of what britain did to India.. We still know this from our grandparents who were told this by their parents how horrible it was. British soldiers use to kill people at will as every Indian was treated as subjects not humans, they use to abduct women everyday. It was worse than Hitlar. He ended like that because UK now won't be able to pay that much with their economic downfall. Their economy is worse than Indian economy now. That's why he said "a pound a year" sounds more realistic.
A few years ago, the British Government made a conditional apology for the massacre they perpetrated in Amritsar, called the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, where unarmed civilians were executed for peaceful assembly against the British Government in India. With that context, it might be easier for everyone to understand how the average Indian might feel about British Colonialism. I take issue with how you stated( one of you gentlemen) that the man speaking diluted his argument by conceding the context of history. If you are willing to ignore the grace with which the man concedes aspects of the argument to ensure that he states the truly problematic aspect of the British Government of today not accepting the wrongs of the colonial rule , by educating the public about a true history of their misadventures, then you choose to ignore the wrongs done to them. I only question this aspect of your response. And I'm hoping we can have a conversation about this where we can have a better understanding of what really happened to India in the last couple of centuries. That's all the validation any Indian is hoping for, because we don't need the British Govt's money for anything to be honest.
I don't understand how his "argument deflated" at the end of his speech. Can someone explain please?
Will be a 150 years before pak can produce a speaker like Dr Tharoor.
Dr. Sashi Tharoor said that he didn't care if reparations was something other than money, but before saying that he pointed out all the times Britain DID in fact pay reparations. It would look pretty bad if Britain didn't give India any money at all.
The US having its roots in Britain has this same issue, but with several minority groups, and in some cases the US has paid reparations--Native Americans and the Japanese Americans come to mind.
Americans arguing who's going to pay for it is stupid and a distraction used to change the subject. The US government pays a number of countries for military and economics assistance by the billions and no one wonders were that money is going to come from. If Americans were truly worried, why don't they argue for higher taxes for the rich? Citizens' Bank, Canal Bank, Citibank, Bank of America and Wells Fargo are all banks that benefited from slavery. Wall Street and a number of wealthy families in the States benefited from slavery too and White Americans still benefit from the system put in place way back when and the new ones designed to keep minorities from catching up--Joe Machin won't even consider voting for reform to make voting fair for all, lol.
Anyway, the US owes monetary reparations and then some to African Americans and their communities. African Americans couldn't get adequate education until the 1950 and it would take another 10 to 20 years via bussing to make it more assemble to them. Even with an education, many still struggled finding work that paid as well as their counterparts. Affirmative action slowly rolled out making it easier, but it was still a struggle for them. African Americans couldn't really grow wealth until recently and its been said that the average White family has times more money in the bank that the average African American family. The US needs to lift the people it has oppressed for centuries and it certainly needs to say sorry for the horrors it put their families through.
What kind of reparations ?
No amount of money can do the reparations, so forget about the money.
It's simply Acknowledgement which they don't have enough courage to do.
I see Rick and Korbin from parallel universe
They're super crazy 😜
We indians can forgive them but no body can escape from KARMA ....!!
PS:- If Queen Wants To Sale Kohinoor from her Crown in the Dark Days then We indians Are Ready To Buy that and take back to BHARATH...
#JaiSriraam
#JaiShivajiMahraj🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
India does not need financial assistance from Britain today. If at all Britian does from India. But accepting and apologizing for your sins leads the way forward.
Well said my friend. Well said.
Britain has given hundreds of millions of pounds to India in aid. And did you know India is given more charity money than any other country in the world. India collected a whopping 4.2 billion dollars in aid.
Britain actually came third in countries who give the most, China was top, America second...good work lads
@@makethatabakersdozen9655 Did you know that a majority of foreign aid is given not to governments but NGOs. Which in India have the primary objective of eliminating native traditions and converting the most vulnerable Indians.
That is why since 2014 the Modi government has cancelled the license of over 15,000 foreign NGOs.
@@tirthshah1580 No I didn't know that. But I found it ironic that you said India doesn't need any money from Britain. When in actual fact India is the single largest beneficiary of foreign aid. And to suggest that Britain needs financial help from India is just ridiculous.
Maybe something like... sorry for what happened! We are cool now! We got your back 🤗
The Axe forgets but the tree remembers
Britain is not in a position to pay money ..it's better they say sorry not only to India but to all countries they colonised....India will reclaim its glory by own.
What kind of repetitions can they give if not money..?
I swear on the Kohinoor I don't know..
Before reacting on this video you guys have to know fees facts about British rule in India. They stole everything from India and still the queen use to put the stolen diamond from India(Kohinoor) in her crown. One guys out you said that Dr sashi confidence was low at the end of the speech. Then let me clear it- he was full of emotions and anger, fact is that he swept Britain standing in Britain’s house
Britishers stole $45 trillion from INDIA in 200 years of colonisation.
You can also find so many Indian artifects in UK and it's museums are full of Indian artifects. Also, the the most precious "KOHINOOR" diamond was stolen from India , which is now on the crown of Queen of UK.
Always Remember :- "Truth is always Bitter". You may accept it or you may offend.
Plzz react to prateek kuhad's "cold mess"
Plzz react to it
They never apologized.
Only apology and treat us as a human being.🙂🙂
Nice video reaction ❤️ keep it up lads👍
You are are right about that last part.
He said that in the end because today India have bigger economy than Britain and i think it's more shameful to live with knowing that you did wrong to someone but do not have enough money to compensate the losses caused by you and all you can do is be sorry and always knowing the fact that you owe a lot of money to a country.. now if they pay us back all the billions of dollars as reparation there will be no more debates you know.. it will be like i broke your house, killed some of your relatives but i paid up for everything in the end, that's a win win for the burglar, so we don't want British money we just want them to feel sorry and humiliated for the rest of their life..
Shashi should've concluded the talk with apology as his proposition.
React to prateek kuhad's "cold mess" you are going to love it
He was saying india doesnt want any reperation now and can take care of itself without any aid from britian. Giving money to india is like insulting india as it uses more money on fertilizers as he pointed out. Instead Britians saying sorry will restore some sense of justice.
Britain has memorial honouring cananin which served and sacrificed in world war but not even an acknowledgement or mention of the Human lives lost ,esply Indians by them. That's the moral debt they have toward all those ppl who wore the British uniform and fought for them when it is not even their fight to start with.
Australia have said sorry to its indigenous population. UK should do the same
@Joseph Lucas the tree people
You asked in a comment what reparations Britian could do. Let me explain briefly.
The point the comments here and, of course, the same comments made by Shashi Tharoor in his speech is the fact that: any reparations in the form of a monetary value cannot atone for the rapes, looting, dehumanizing, and massacres, and the genocide of the Indian people, its culture, and its traditions.
You cannot ask for Britain to give India a monetary sum equal to the colonization of India. Why? Because it actually has been calculated by academics and Britian does not have nor Will Ever Have that amount of money.
• We do not need nor do we want their guilt-filled blood money.
Britian knows and we know that what India wants is something Britian will never be able to do because it took them 100 years to recognize just ONE massacre they committed in India. Let me repeat: They RECOGNIZED, in 2019, that the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre occurred and "expressed deep regret", no formal apology and no acceptance of their role in the massacre.
The fact is that there are genuine things Britian can do to atone for their inhumane colonization of India. They have never fully admitted to their actions during their colonization of India nor have they have ever apologized, their schooling system makes light of their colonization of India, their citizens say shit like "Britain was a benevolent colonial power" (an offensive myth), and finally, their politicians like their former Prime Minister David Cameron say shit like "it would be wrong to reach back into history".
I'd like to leave you with a quote from one of the young British officers on the September 1857 seizure of Delhi during Sepoy Mutiny: "The orders were to shoot every soul... it was literally murder."
This is good information. Thanks for sharing this perspective. Our main point with our discussion was to illustrate the idea that we can’t think of anything that would be a proper reparation either but if we’re really talking about it it should be something hard to do. We never meant to imply that money would take away all the hurt.
@@BoringReviews You're correct in thinking that an easy reparation is to just throw money at the problem. India knows this and of course, the British do too. They're the ones to always suggest it!
But it's not about the "easy way out" for us, we want them to atone. Nations have does so before. Like Shashi Tharoor said, "so it is not as if this is something that is unprecedented or unheard of that somehow opens some sort of nasty Pandora box".
The problem lies solely with Britian who haven't got their head on straight. Maybe one day, they will.
Brits never studied these dark chapters in schools as UK government conveniently hidden under the carpet. Draconian colonial rule should be know to all British citizens.
That is not true. At A level History we study the British rule in India from 1858-1947.
70 years later we blame the British for everything, before thy came we had the best toilets in the world. Can you please explain the caste system.
Shame on you Britain.
An economists had calculated the figure looted around 45 trillion dollars
India was richest country of world till 17th century
And ironically India is doing exactly the same thing in kashmir.
Maybe a few decades later India might need to apologise for occupying kashmir
India does not need " donations" from Britain for its development. We are sufficiently capable to develop our country. We don't need britain's help. The point is that Britain as of today does not even acknowledge the wrongs that were done. They simply deny their colonial history. The point is ACKNOWLEDGING. We have a war memorial for the soldiers who died fighting for the British. How about the Prime Minister of England visiting their and making a statement of acknowledging the wrongs that were done, apologising for it, and asking the people of both the countries to move forward?
We do not need money. We don't want to put a price on the lives that were lost. So Britain can keep their money.
I agree about acknowledging. It’s a big deal to be able to one someone do that
Britain took at-least 8 trilon Dollar from India , Including the Diamond on the Queens crown . Indian Economy IS Bigger than UK , and In PPP terms we are 3rd largest , as he said ... Britain dont have any capacity to us back . So we Indians dont Expect Monetary support ... as fellow human being as a Little kid would ask a fiend to say sorry ... we Indians are ok with Just sorry ... cause we know we are not less human , that Britsh could not do in 200 years , we have done it in 70.... We are nive People just ok with nothing ... but a golden heart in return....
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Can someone explain what the British girl was trying to argue???? Was she saying that since the speaker at some point praised other Democratic Empires(which employed slavery then He should also be praising or accepting Britain because oppression is the Nature of colonization????? I hope I just misunderstood her argument!
The girl said other western speakers talked with pride about democracy especially Athenian(Greek) democracy but the Greek society functioned well co it was built on hard work of slaves. So the West really can't be proud of this cos colonial mentality was a part if their psyche from ancient times.
That would be 40-50 Trillion dollars and today’s money by most estimates.....Britain will go bankrupt but I agree with the long hair dude. What’s the point of reparations if you don’t pay up for all the loot of a country as large as India for 200 years
The whole world would go bankrupt because there's only about 38 trillion dollars in existence. 🤔
Which does raise the question, how could this number be correct?
Make that a Bakers dozen 38 T is just one year...whereas the number above is over 200 years
@@nizampalace No my friend. If you add up all the money in world today. All the people's banks, wages, savings, would equal about 38 trillion dollars.
So that would be impossible to take 50 trillion dollars from India.
Ok.. to give you a rough figure. The money owed simply for WW1 & 2 to India by Britain amounts to 81 billion pounds in today's money. This would straight up triple our military budget for example. Think about that for a second.
This is true history actually Britisher economy can blew.
To the long haired guy , estimates made show a minimum of 30trillion pounds looted from India in 200years by the British and for the lives lost in torture it's immeasurable. So Britain just can't pay India so much in another 400 years atleast
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@@BoringReviews i was just watching this rxn
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Thank god "Right way to wear cap" Guy was there, otherwise it would be so crazy