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Why So Many Animators Hate Family Guy
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- Seth Mcfarlane’s Family Guy is a very beloved show, and also a very hated show. Polarizing for sure! But a lot of people in the animation industry have had a lot to say about it, here’s some of the most interesting criticism of Family Guy from other animators! Including South Park’s Matt Stone and Trey Parker, The Simpsons Matt Groening and Al Jean, Ren and Stimpy’s John K, and even little nod from the King of the Hill cast.
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To me, Family guy is like fast food:
It’s simple, a bit repetitive and predictable, but comforting and addicting at times.
Perfect description.
I think you couldn't explain it better
This is actually an incredibly accurate summary
consume too much and it'll taste absolutely awful eventually
@@unlimited8410 Perfect
"Family guy's art style is a bad influence for future animators"
Well, he was not wrong....
You could say the same thing for South Park or any of the rest. Not even mentioning the one Sunday show that wasn't brought up.
@@SlapthePissouttayew in fairness, a lot of adult cartoons look like Family Guy now. Only South Park looks like South Park
@@yoshinpixels9924 No argument there!
@Van Hellsing’s Digital Drive-in Well, no, not really. There is still effort put into it, and, although the artstyle is simple, simple doesn't always equal bad.
Despite John K being a scumbag he was absolutely correct. We got god awful adult cartoons like Mr Pickles which were made just to shock people because Family Guy did it
“We act like we didn’t take a lot from the Simpsons, but we took a lot from the Simpsons.”
- Peter Griffin
At this point, the Simpsons is taking from family guy. Just look at the current Simpsons
Both need to be put of their misery, both have more bad seasons than they do good ones, looks like both are competing now on which one can butcher their legacy faster 🤣
@@crazemate which episode
@@blacksabbath2024 what legacy does Family Guy have? It has been trash since day 1, like most rip-offs LOL
@@maxalmonte14 Dick ridaaaaa
The Simpson’s taking a jab at Family Guy: A photo of Peter calling him a plagiarist
Family Guy taking a jab at The Simpsons: Quagmire rapes Marge, who ends up enjoying it and inviting him into her house where he kills her, her husband, and her three children (including an infant).
Seth MacFarlane’s sense of ‘humor’ never progressed past middle school and it’s just sad, and a bit disturbing tbh
Best part is Seth said in a later interview that he didn’t understand why people were so offended by the joke, even implying that FOX was coerced by the Simpsons crew into not letting him air it. He legit sees the two jokes as equivalent in terms of offensiveness.
Nah wdym? Maggie was the one who shot Quagmire
Everyone knows American Dad is where Seth's creative juices are going, like Futurama before with Matt Groening.
I thought that was more The Orville
@@NerdMiGerd Yeah I gotta agree. The Orville is probably more where Seths leaning these days. They even joked about it on FG.
Seth doesn't do any writing or decision making for American dad whatsoever, he's basically just a voice actor for that show at this point. The show runner is someone completely different. Seth is mostly focused on the Orville writing wise.
@@dilboo If that's true, whomever it is managed to capture Seth's humour well, unlike the ones in charge of current FG who are basically a husk of what it was in its prime without understanding what made it good in its prime. Sorta like the simpsons.
@@dilboo he directs.
A lot of Western Adult Animated series have been basing their art style off of Family Guy, so John K, as much of an asshole that he is, does have somewhat of a point.
@@Shmorky818 It's not the art style itself, but too many Adult Animated shows are basing their look on it. There needs to be some variety.
I don't like family guy I hate family guy drop dead
I will say that the one good thing about simpler designs is that its easier to animate.
it’s easier to copy success… the lack of originality is disturbing in all media these days.
uhhh no?
To quote Cartman:
“When I make jokes, they are inherent to a story! Deep, situational and emotional jokes based on what is relevant and has a POINT! Not just one random interchangeable joke after another!!”
Hey, what you do you call a jewish woman's boobs? Jewbs
That is why I F’ING love South Park.
And then you have edgy teens in the comments going: "comedy doesn't involve good characters, stories or writing in general."
@@mastermoye3915 Me too.
@SpeedyVNB Originality. Something Family Guy will never possess.
south park is SIMPLISTIC. that doesn’t mean it’s lazy or easy to produce, they put more work into a single episode than the family guy staff has put into several of the most recent seasons. they stay topical, they stay relevant, they’re still widely respected, i’m not even a fan of the show and i just know the gigantic different between both. it’s common knowledge
Exactly! Only people who actually used cutout style knows how hard it is. We made only 1 minute long video in a week worked our basses off 😂 Also it fits the show, storytelling is really important here, maybe more than gags.
It is lazy they were watching the 2016 election and they were able to make last second rewrites and throw out whatever it was they already made, they had to change the episodes where Clinton lost because they expected her to win. Not to mention they can whip up every episode six days before it airs to be "topical", translation they stick to this stupid style because they're lazy. So therefore, this style is lazy, worthless and easy to make.
@Bayat Hayat its why it pissed me off when odd1sout ripped on em for being 'easy' or 'lazy'
@@whiskyslinkydoo3462 specially considering his style which is way more simplistic.
Yes it is lazy and easy to make. When the 2016 election was going on they were watching and waiting for Clinton to win the episodes that came after that election had been finalized and ready to air. But they were able to make real time changes because she lost and they admitted they expected her to win. To it blunt south parks animation is lazy and easy to make end of discussion. And before you respond the only thing I want to hear is those replacement scenes were made ahead of time as a what if she lost scenario.
Family Guy was a lot like The Simpsons in the beginning but honestly nowadays they are extremely different
Do you know family guy is leaving adult swim on September 18
Honestly Family Guy imo never felt like a ripoff of the Simpsons went it first came out back in 99.
@@Rarez9000 fr
@@jashardwallington look it up
@@Rarez9000 it’s still on fox though
Part of why Family Guy went over the top with the crude humor and Meg bashing, was that Seth wanted to branch out into other projects, and keeping Fox happy was the best way to do it. Now that he has a few movies under his belt, I've noticed the show has become more stabilized; Meg's not specifically tortured anymore and pretty much everyone is equally a jerk.
Also, John K has always been a massive douche, aside from being a gross pervert, so I wouldn't listen to anything he has to say.
@jurassic flaky if you watched the video, you'd know
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 Ik John k is fucked but you should definitely take into consideration what he has to say when it’s about animation at least
I hate fucking family guy
@@n13475 You really don't. John K is also a massive credit hog. He really isn't that great.
@@devoncampbell7073 I personally enjoy having intercourse with family guy
I enjoy family guy because it's something you can watch and laugh at without thinking. It has its formula, and that formula is easy to digest and laugh at without needing to pay attention. It's a good background show, something to listen to when doing something else.
If you're going to expect a story, don't try to expect it from family guy, that's missing the point.
If that was true, they wouldn't make the Brian & Stewie specials and go on Adventures together, or make preachy episodes nobody asked for like Not All Dogs go to Heaven or Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q.
No offense, but FG relies on a lack of thought process because that’s what Seth lacks.
So i take it you hate music then i see why you leave this on in the background.
@@forrestcommander6283 compared to lunchTrey and doorMatt who just bloviate oppressor class propaganda and litter it with poorly-timed, redundantly redundant fart jokes and call that satire. It isn’t.
*Family Guy* is genre parody. That’s different from satire. The other difference is that FG does what it does well, and south barf doesn’t.
FG also has a superior theme song by far. So did *Beavis and Butt-head,* which is now better than all the other surviving 90s cartoons.
If anything, the least obnoxious characters on the show are Terrance and Phillip, but only by default. Who are they hurting? Nobody. What are they doing that is prejudicial against any group of people? Nothing. All they do is sit around all day and pass gas. They don’t curse, they don’t use drugs, they don’t go around committing drive-by shootings, and they don’t use racial, sexual, or religious slurs. How is either of them any worse than, say, Pumbaa? Or the Jason Alexander voiced gargoyle from *The Hunchback of Notre Dame* making armpit farts? There are better reasons to declare war on those Bieber-enabling hockey jockeys.
In my opinion, the first few seasons of Family Guy were masterpieces. I was one of the biggest fans. The next few after that were good but clearly in decline and repetitive. After that, I could barely sit through an episode.
I consider Beavis & Butthead, along with South Park to be the tops for similar reasons. B&B never got overexposed or watered down. South Park, by virtue of the way it is made, stays relevant. Some seasons are far better than others, but I never get bored from it.
As for new-ish, Rick & Morty.
I feel that South Park was the only long running adult cartoon that never declined. I frankly can't find another example.
I feel the decline started after season 15. Season 1-8 were very solid. I loved the old animation too
I feel like everyone forgets family guy was cancelled early on
@@berzerkbankie1342 And then gets revived again by Fox.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 only because of adult swim
Family guy is the house guest you let in back in the 90s, got tired of him , missed him, invited him back, and now that he was invited back he thinks hes hot shit, and become insufferable
Where you even around during the 90s or where you pooping in your diaper
@@lylemorgan6107 ah the gate keeper of the 90's I presume
Family guy didn’t debut until 1999, got cancelled in 2002 and revived in 2005. Its golden years before falling off aside from 1999 have been in the 2000’s. I wouldn’t consider it a 90’s show. It shouldn’t be anyways. It’s a 2000’s show.
@@stevenbari5568 k
The best summary for Family Guy is "a series that appeals to one age group and has peaked too early to maintain its older audiences"
"What's so hard to get? You just need to have grown up in the 80's but still be a teenager."
But weirdly, an age group that I've never been a part of.
Family Guy started when I was three years old. I've dipped in and out through nearly every season at every stage of my life. Yet none of it ever felt tailored to my demographic. I've felt like I was the right age to enjoy it.
It feels like the show is trying to market itself towards a certain generation, but where this hypothetical demographic actually exists I couldn't possibly imagine.
South Park is a niche audience and that’s why they’re jealous of family guy. They’re mad they’ll always be stuck in family guys shadow and that family guy is more mainstream. South parks internet fanbase is funny to watch tho seeing them cry about plot 😭
@@thescarvedinsect Yeah, I was born in the 90s and half the time, I don’t get the cutaway jokes. Whereas with The Simpsons, they’re not as dependent on pop culture references, so their jokes are timeless.
@@WhitePeopleAreAnnoying are you a troll? 🤣 Who thinks that South Park isn't mainstream (as well as extremely popular)?
Meg is the only character that doesn't have an annoying voice.
And has a good personality
brian?
Hey PETAAAAAAAAAAa
brian?
tom tucker?
Mike Judge, the creator of Beavis & Butt-Head and King Of The Hill has always been supportive of South Park.
Neither of which I found particularly appealing.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Beavis & Butt-Head and South Park are the best shows to ever exist in my opinion.
South Park I liked.
that's because they're all right wingers
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 king of the hill is great, one of the best adult animated series out there
The thing I hate about Family Guy is how fucking petty they are with not getting awards, jealousy, and just shitting on other shows, especially Bob's Burgers
Hey hey. Theyre called jokes 💀, and u got proof that everyone shits on family guy just now, theres even an anniversary episode where its just ppl shitting on family guy.
there was an ep where they addressed it and they know that they will more then likely not get awards at this point.
Award Shows are Elitist Circle Jerks anyways.
@Lex Bright Raven - Twitter user
@@niggato23 failed abortion
I always felt the jokes and writing stuck out far enough from other animations to be original. Having a similar family setup to The Simpsons doesn't really seem like too large of an issue when other major components of Family Guy are as unique as they are.
Yeah and The Simpsons family setup is based on sitcoms from a million years ago. The first season is garbage animation and writingwise. It was really deconstructive of sitcom tropes until later. I don't like either shows but I don't think Family Guy's setup is so similar to cry plagiarism
@@Kevin-zv6dsI phased out The Simpsons years ago anyway and moved onto Futurama. South Park I still stand by and American Dad is all I can stomach from Seth MacFarlane, animation wise.
Family Guy is a pile of hot garbage. The "story" writing is bad the characters are bad, the animation is bad and the "jokes" are absolutely terrible.
Personally I just find Family Guy to be a lot of cheap writing. South Park pointed out perfectly that Family Guy uses its random cut-away gags just to lazily get away with wasting time and not having to go through the effort of focusing on a cohesive story.
This, however, really isn’t a direct diss at MacFarlane. He really is a talented man, and while Family Guy isn’t my cup of Tea, American Dad most certainly is. American Dad was everything that Family Guy should’ve been. So much creativity, true focus to the story and wonderful surrealism that makes even Family Guy’s oddities look like a 6th grader’s scribblings.
I think Family Guy is just one of those shows that safely satisfies the masses. Nothing necessarily wrong with that. It gets them money and it’s the same way Big Bang Theory (ugh…) got its success.
But yeah, there’s definitely a lot to criticize about it. It’s a fun chuckle sometimes, and the daring darkness is fun… but it’s certainly not something you’d call “quality” or “creative.”
Fmily guy is better than both Sout Park and American Dad
@@flamurtarinegjakyt3745 in what way?
@@kris242 what do you mean in what way? It is just better, funnier, there's a reson if it got more success than the others
@@flamurtarinegjakyt3745 so when you say “better” you mean viewership then? Not quality, right? Because both South Park and American Dad have higher critical ratings compared to Family Guy.
@@kris242 south park... we are talking about the series where 3 people get attached with the face on the ass of the other ones and they eat what the man in front of them defecate? This is for sure some refined quality. I'm writing this because someone said Seth has got elementary kid humor on Family Guy. Well, south park doesn't seem better.
Anyway it is matter of taste, we can discuss hours without getting to a point, I just found it more boring. But it is just strange to me to think someone actually prefers south park since in my country it is not even comparable with Family Guy.
And the cut-aways are amazing, honestly it just looks like they are mad cause they didn't have the idea.
If anything it led to more "adult" animated shows that require less originality. Now I think the lowest standard is Brickle Berry or Big mouth. I don't get why some styles are inherently ugly, or just created w/o much purpose.
I think Big Mouth sorta gets a pass for the ugly art style since the show does a great portrayal of young teens and their emotions. Even if it’s a little exaggerated.
Big Mouth is pretty terrible all in all. I don't know why the hell someone thought adults would want to watch a show about kids going through puberty with such little tact.
Want a good show about the struggles teenagers go through? Go watch Freaks and Geeks. It influenced a lot of the live action comedies we have now, such as, The Office, Parks and Rec, etc.
@@failingnovelist6443 f off boomer nobody cares about ur lame show. Can’t u realize that you’re old??? These shows are for the new audience. Ever heard of Gen Z gramps??? We are the new generation and we love these shows.
@@Lucas-zu3fn I'm in that middle ground between Millenial and Gen Z and I fear for all of you.
@@Blackpapalink I hate how there’s a lot of boomers Gen x and incels in TH-cam comments annoys the hell outta me. Good thing they’re not in tik tok. Also you can’t be “in between” that’s stupid. You’re either a millennial or Gen Z DUH. Here lemme help ya bud since it’s too hard for ya.
Millennial 1981-1996
Gen Z 1997-2010
See how there’s no in between? Please do ur research millennial. Get with the program. You’ll never be us (Gen Z),you’re too old.
Who doesn't like SpongeBob?
You know what they say:
"The only people who don't like SpongeBo, have never seen an episode"
I don't like it and I have seen a lot of episodes of it
@@fidelgarcia2224 i am inside your walls
everyone's different. people are funny like that.
Me. I've had the unfortunate experience of watching a marathon with my little cousin while babysitting. Just when you think it can't get worse it does. People who LOVE SpongeBob probably like keeping up with the Kardashians and Jersey Shore as well.
I know right. Spongebob (mostly seasons 1,2 and 3) was my childhood
I think the truck driver/survivor from the South Park - family guy episode said it best.
"It's just mindless jokes but I like that ya know? At least it's not trying to get all preachy and up-its-own-ass with social commentary"
No other animated show has made me laugh as hard and as loudly as Family Guy did in their first ten seasons or so
Best comment I've read on here. FG up to and including Season Ten was laugh-out-loud funny. The Simpsons never was, not consistently anyway.
Exactly!
Bold choice to include season 9 and 10 in there
@@Suspicious-Carl nah that’s incorrect tf, season 10 was the last good season of family guy.
@@stevenbootes1979lmao wut
The guy saying it would encourage lazy animators was completely right. Childrens cartoons are pallet swaps of the same lazy sketch these days and its a shame. May not be family guys fault but he should have been listened to with that warning
most of them grew up with Simpsons though, fg borrowed a lot from that shows art style too esp the hands, Also theres a lot of kids shows these days that are very different. U had a few shows that came out in like 2013-16 that look the same, but now most have a unique art style. people stopped worrying so much about aesthetic and went back to a personal art style. But i can agree that there was a period in time when you could only get into the animation industry if u drew a specific way but i dont think its like that much anymore.
@@Ghost666Mafia i hope we are past that. Nothing sucked as much as seeing the same art on everything. The uniqueness is what brings wonder to the shows. Makes them memorable. Id hate to have grown up with that generation of shows tbh
I don't think the problem was lazy animators. I think it's lazy writers.
@Lex Bright Raven Are you sure about that? Kids shows in the last few years have been absolutely cookie cutter formatted in animation style. With some obvious outlying exceptions of course speaking, a lot of these animation styles have no originality to them as the basic outline of this style of art can be traced over. Look at Steven from Steven Universe with Gumball from the Amazing World of Gumball. Their heads are identical, eye placement the same, their facial expressions are 1 to 1. Now compare something like Catdog to Dexters Laboratory. Both occured in the similar time period but had hugely unique art styles.
@@trinoply to be honest,it's about the writing and the art style look pleasant to say at least.yeah it's CalArt style but better than the ugly and heavily copy and pasted FG arts that can't really stand:/
The characters are the worst part for me, since they’ve been horrifically Flanderized.
Brian was always a liberal author, but he used to serve as the voice of reason as well. In a way it felt like he was an extension of Seth himself. He was level headed, caring, and was in a way the most normal of the group.
Now he’s a *MASSIVE* (cannot be understated enough) d*uche who actively manipulates everyone around him, including his own son. Is so arrogant that Magnus the Red would call him Emperor, and honestly should’ve stayed dead after he got squashed by a car.
Peter is… well I don’t have the time to explain everything. He went from being an idiot who was still well intentioned and genuinely loved his family, to being so psychotic that I think he’s the reason why Stewie chilled out over the years. At this point I don’t even know why him and Lois are married.
Lois meanwhile… is a complete narcissist now, who went from being a stern motherly figure to everyone, even to Peter, to a crazy woman who’s so desperate to protect her image that she constantly kills, or ruins the lives of countless people around her all so that she can maintain her lie.
Stewie is the only one who ironically, got better as time went on, as he became (in my opinion) far more defined as a character. I don’t understand why he’s the only character they put effort into improving.
Then there’s Chris and Meg, but they have the exact same problem as Peter of just turning into complete psychopaths who only care about themselves.
The only time I ever watch Family Guy now is once every few months so I can hear all of their terrible dark jokes, because, admittedly, that at least is still sometimes hilarious to me.
But I really wish they hadn’t sacrificed the characters in the process.
The amazing world of gumball did the same thing and everybody acts like it’s a masterpiece
@@rankrodent2772 ?
@@rankrodent2772 how exactly? I’m genuinely curious. I really like Gumball, and I didn’t really notice that to a degree that it became an issue.
Nicole did get a bit too intense, and Richard got a little bit too stupid, but for me it still felt like everyone was (mostly) their same selves.
It’s always nice to run into a warhammer reference in the wild
@@variableaxis9652 indeed.
Magnus is still my favorite.
Cant believe there's people I know who prefer family guy over south park (I love south park)
I loved Family guy in the early seasons. But it got old fast. Then there were the spinoffs.
@@lawv804 I don't like it cause I don't find the characters interesting
South Park rocks
Weak dude super weak
Family guy is still way better
It all seems petty to me... If you enjoy something, watch it. If you don't like something, ignore it.
I think Family Guy, South Park, King of the Hill, and The Simpsons should all be banned.
I think all supporters of censorship should accept that they are facists.
Fun Fact: There is a random scene in a Family Guy episode, (don’t remember which one) where Peter Griffin admits “There’s alot we took from The Simpsons.” meaning, the family guy crew openly admitted themselves that rven *they* were taking a bit much from The Simpsons.
Fun fact: a lot of FG is random scenes that contribute nothing to a plot/storyline.
@@forrestcommander6283Even more fun fact: south barf has never been relevant to anything and has always been controlled opposition. Always.
Yet another fun fact: nothing the shitsons do after “Behind the Laughter” matters. If Maude Flanders didn’t live to see it, then it didn’t happen. Except for the Vicki Valentine episode. B--h was right about communism.
I've seen that one.
@@forrestcommander6283still funny tho
It's because a lot of Family Guy is mean spirited and mindless. I get it. It's funny, but it's also very negative and icky. I think the Creators of King of the Hill and the Simpson's secretly hate Family Guy even now. (Despite the crossovers.) They just don't want to look like bad sports.
Seriously. I deal with enough assholes in real life; I don't really care to watch them on TV.
I can understand that
I don't think those creators HATE Family Guy, or else they wouldn't have had those crossovers by now.
@@ArcticFox6428 People force themselves to do all sorts of things in order to look nice. Deep down, I'm sure the resentment is still there.
@@ArcticFox6428 When simpsons crossovered they already jumped the shark
1:12 he was not wrong
Kim pine
The animation works only when the joke is that the character is more deadpan than they should be in the given situation. Otherwise it's not up to par. This also got me thinking about how, despite it's incredible gag density, very few if any will ever stick around (at least for me). I think the emblematic Family Guy gag to me is when the male family members all eat nutmeg and vomit their hearts out several times over with the joke being that; well who cares. It's quite funny but it also takes a massive dump on its characters all the while doing very little to reveal any personal features (with Brian actually acting out of character when he takes part) and it's not mentioned another time during the episode. Now take a golden era Simpson throwaway joke and try to check those same boxes you'll get very much opposite results.
Marge and Lois are nothing alike Marge is a good mother and loves her kids
On the whole art style thing:
Family Guy's art style is pretty bland, but not actively bad.
South Park's art style is great, unique, and charming in its simplicity.
To add on to this the basic animation in South Park also serves as a way to dramatically increase episode production speed and is what allows them to even produce episodes on a week to week basis at all and maintain their topical satire appeal.
I wouldn't call South Park's animation great lol its basic and simple but it plays into their comedic appeal. Like the fact that Canadians look so poorly drawn isn't something that I wish they'd work on, it makes them looks hillarious
South Park's art style is kinda cute, maybe that's why I watched it as a 5-year-old not understanding anything
@@solluxandro666 lol.
South Park's art style is appealing in a simplistic way. It's colorful and fun, while it's still able to look a bit dark in tone. Family guy is just ugly; the colors are ugly, the character expressions are held back and unnapealing, their movement is gross to look at. South Park is just a nice show to look at. Don't know what the creator of Ren and Stimpy's problem is; he just looks at stuff that is efficiently made and simple and calls it bad. While Ren and Stimpy has great animation, its humour is so angry and creepy it makes it uncomfortable to watch. You can tell the Ren and Stimpy's animators worked very hard, but the content is just not very likeable, specifically because of what they choose to make humour about. I guess I can look at South Park, Beavis and Butt-Head, Superjail, even Aqua Teen Hunger Force and I can say "An artist made this", when I look at Family Guy I see lazy and ugly, like some corporate guy drew the most tasteless bland thing on a page and called it a day. Family Guy's humour is just that; predictable, bland, repetitive, and thoughtless, it matches the art style too well.
Family Guy is the perfect thing to watch when you just want cheap laughs. Sure there's no plot, the animation is cheap and a lot of the jokes rely on cutaways, but if you're just looking for dumb comedy then it's good.
2:33 the next page is even funnier because it makes fun of American Dad for being a ripoff of a ripoff
What makes Family guy so infuriating today as apposed to when it first came out was that Family Guy was originally about a normal family living in a messed up world. Now it’s just about a messed up family living in a messed up world. Because of this, it’s hard to really relate to the characters as a result.
Nah the Griffins were always messed up, but the main difference is that back then, they tried to get it together
Family Guy became hateful, alienating and unwatchable over time. Unfunny too.
@Emmy Crazy indeed. Either way, I'm done with Family Guy.
They never were normal, it was more like a weird family in a weird world
I think a big reason why animators hate Family Guy is because of how unclean the animation is compared to the other shows. And those animators are mad that a show with less clean animation is more popular than their show, the Simpsons being an exception.
If I spent years working to earn a degree, put in dozens of hours into writing a script, and perfecting the smoothness of my animation only for it to be overshadowed by a show with Family Guy's animation quality, I'd get a little mad lol. Like when you do all the work for your group project while your partner, the popular kid who did nothing, gets all the attention for your project because they're name is on it.
Why is the simpsons and exception, their animation kinda began shit and by ur standards is still shit now
@@cuppster The Simpsons has some really solid animation though, especially when compared to most of Family Guy. Their style is simplistic, sure, but they do a great job with having more varied shot composition, and really ambitious cinematography-- *especially* all the episodes directed by Brad Bird. Have you even seen some of their older Treehouse of Horror specials? I can't speak much for the modern seasons because I haven't seen much of em, but everything for the classic era was visually stunning imo, and a lot of that comes from all the creative talent that went into its early production.
@@cuppster > *And those animators are mad that a show with less clean animation is more popular*
Meh, IMO this argument is baseless, and feels devoid of actually considering points that have been made - and is all too common a copout people make when something they like is criticized.
im no animator so feel free to disagree, but "unclean" isnt the word i'd use. every episode and bit i remember looked _fine_ animation wise, but low effort design wise. Since most scenes are static shots, and since its main characters don't move a lot, the required effort is very low, whereas a better show just uses more dynamicism, unconventional camera angles, and characters just _move_ more. I feel like anime is something to look at, because anime frequently makes use of traditional cinematography but in a 2D, hand drawn space.
Then why were the South park creators mad if you think the fact that the time spent on the animation is the issue And the jealousy
Appreciate the editing you put into this video, but I was disappointed that this didn't cover the "why" in any greater depth than the quotes I'd seen on wikipedia. I have gone back and watched Ren & Stimpy and I see what Kricfalusi meant about the simplistic and bland drawing style of Family Guy. There really was an artistry to each shot in R&S and how subtle animation choices conveyed so humor and impact. Even The Simpsons early seasons made artistic choices towards an aesthetic.
Still, Family Guy manages to satirize many aspects of modern life and culture in an amusing way and sometimes the absurdism (e.g. a fridge robbing someone and taking his wallet) is just delightful. But purely on the merits of animation style and the choice of working-class nuclear family (an obviously safe choice in hindsight), the show doesn't deliver much.
John K. is a pedophile, a homophobe, and a Disney hater. *Ren and Stimpy* were funny for about three minutes. *The Simpsons* had his number with that “Clip Not Done Yet” gag. Now that other Sunday night staple, Chris Hansen has it.
it's so insane how so many animators predicted the future of adult animation and animation in general and how Family Guy completely ruined any hope for decently funny shows to appear again
Well at least we have Beavis and Butt-head back.
Seriously, just look at 2023's HBO Velma. Even modern Family Guy is more watchable than that absolute dumpster fire.
I like family guy fine. I don't worry about the animation. Each series has their own animation style. For example: The Flintsones were pretty simple, but charming. Family guy is not charming, but I do know people who have fun watching the show. Yeah sure, animation wise there are way more challenging projects out there.
But why can't we just celebrate simplicity AND complexity? I sure do and I think one can't exist without the other.
I am not afraid series like Family Guy will wipe out quality animation. It exists for a long time now and we still get stuff like "The Owl House", "The Ghost & Molly McGee", "Centaurword" and much more.
Oh I love dogs and puppies
I hate family guy they're mockley of DC Comics Marvel's comics
I hate family guy the mockley of celebrities
Oh I hate family guy mockley of animes
@@devoncampbell7073 don’t care
As much as I despise John K, he did seem to kinda have a point. I mean, for awhile, it seemed that every adult cartoon tried to become "the next Family Guy". They even had the same artsyle and everything! Which is funny because Family Guy itself was a clone of the Simpsons.
Its basically a case of "the worse person you know just made a good point"
Family Guy clones are out. Rick and Morty clones are in.
You could say it's all a rip-off of Jackie Gleason's The Honeymooners.
Unpopular opinion: American dad is better than family guy
the GIFs are annoying
John K's commentary is kind of relevant. Family guy did become a reference for animators not because they like it, but because higher ups in studios almost always want to make an adult cartoon "like family guy"
It does make sense. One youtuber I do like does comment on how a lot of adult animation feels like different flavours of Family Guy but for different audiences.
Its like how a lot of children's animation nowadays tries to chase the same audience as Avatar and Adventure time.
@@christopherbennett5858And I do think some cartoons nowadays also got inspired by Gravity Falls, with the more grounded character designs and quirky humor respectively. Contrast modern cartoon characters to those in the 90's and early 2000's and there is a WILD shift in terms of the overall style. I mean just look at the head shapes in Hey Arnold. There's no way you'll find that in the cartoon industry nowadays unless it's Gumball or something.
@@thesnatcher3616 Oh definitely
I also think genre has narrowed. e.g. everything needs a long winded, long term mystery box. Gravity Falls popularised it but it came with codes and stuff so there was the choice to solve the mystery as it went along.
The issue other shows, like Steven Universe, have is that clues are withheld and, because the author likes to subvert expectations, the most subversive answer becomes the most obvious.
I’ve always been pretty split down the middle on Family Guy and by extension Seth’s output as a whole. He’s certainly a very talented guy but I just think he is very smug and spreads himself too thin.
I think he puts a lot of effort into designing his main characters but otherwise everything else looks bland.
As horrible as John K is as a person, he was very prescient with his prediction on what impact family guy would have on modern animation, specifically adult sitcoms. There’s been a huge backlash recently on shows that just piggyback that style for convenience. South Park’s animation isn’t always breathtaking but it’s at least more visually interesting, colorful and inventive. On the whole I think family guy was initially a quaint and good hearted little Simpsons wannabe that has completely devolved into a vehicle for the cutaways.
All that being said, there are dozens of Family Guy jokes I still remember and laugh at to this day, I think it kind of found its niche with the cutaways, but unfortunately it had to abandon all of its heart.
Sorry for the novel, this is just something that I feel passionately about LOL
Exactly how i feel about it
this is probably a bad time to be remembering this, but I think I might have left the weed whacker on.
@@Vexnatos That was a pretty funny joke
Funny thing is that South Park uses a fairly advanced computer program to make its animation. They can crank out an episode within a week.
I study animation and they are too overcritising it because family guy is an obvious competition
I don't like Family Guy, but lmao... Did John K forget that Stimpy is literally just an oval with arms and eyes? Wow such artist.
My problem with family guy isn’t that the characters are too mean, it that they explain a lot of the jokes which ruins the it
It's also very mean-spirited tho
Yeah they would be funnier if they didn’t explain it
The over explanation is annoying and a lot of shows do it from time to time
personally i find the joke explaining makes it much more hilarious and being mean is just part of the comedy and with everyone becoming much more sensitive, many espects of the show can easily be found as insulting and overly mean i guess but i think the humour just doesnt appeal to some people which is fine
@@upisntdownsilly eh, fair enough
I think that there were three good adult cartoons being king of the hill for the fact that it was down to earth and realistic, the Simpsons for being original and the couch gags. And South Park for being South Park and awesome.
(If you’re mad at this don’t be this is only my opinion just had to add this disclaimer for “those people”)
good choices... how about we add Futurama as #4?
@@markinnes4264 everything Matt groening makes is good (so far)
Boondocks is great too
Don’t forget the Boondocks
@@bobito3booby375 I will watch the boondocks but I have never seen it before so this will be new
My biggest issue with the show, which had never occurred to fans I aired this frustration to, is that it follows (at least in the 50 or so episodes that I watched on BBC Three in the middle of the night) a formula; something happens in the first 5 minutes, and then something else happens because of this and then the rest of the episode is about THAT. It does it every single episode and it bugged me because sometimes I thought the premise was waayyy more interesting than what the rest of the episode was actually about. Also I hate that it turns into a musical sometimes. Squigly line was the only thing I ever thought was funny on the show.
For many years as a kid, I'm talking like 10 years old over, my dad forbid me from watching Family Guy, yet I was completely allowed to watch South Park.
That’s strange.
Family Guy is fine if you have zero attachment to the characters and don't mind how simplistic the art and jokes are, and if you really have nothing better to watch for half an hour. It's content.
If you grew up with South Park, you like South Park.
If you grew up with Family Guy, you like South Park.
I grew up on family and I like both (family guy a bit more)
@@Br35eakingBa56d South Park is the only one out of all three I still watch. To me, The Simpsons fell off their perch years ago while Family Guy is just pigswill.
Feels like I’m the opposite of anyone in these comments, I adore family guy for not trying to be more than it is, it’s topical pop culture humour that can give you a good laugh for 20 or so minutes, it’s not meant to be fucking shawshank. Maybe it’s where I grew up, but I don’t find the characters to be that mean. Brian was always a pompous ass, Peter was always intensely stupid, and the underpinnings of Lois’ psycho tendencies have always been there. There’s humour in the absurdity, that’s the point. If it’s not your thing I get it.
Nope. Family Guy is better then all of them. Haters gonna hate
John K said the same thing about The Simpsons in the 90s. He was notorious for working his animators hard to get a multitude of character expressions for just one scene etc. The Simpsons in return ripped on John K by having an ep where Ren and Stimpy is up for an award but there's no clip to show because it was 'not done yet.' As stated in the video, though, John K was a bit of a mess - to say the least lol.
How do you get an award for something that isn’t done?
Don’t they have to see it to give the award?
@@SupHapCak it was a joke in the simpsons it wasnt an actual award
@@SupHapCak it was a joke about how John K always misses deadlines because he’s a giant perfectionist
The comedy just doesn’t land. The over reliance on cut aways is completely true, and while it wasn’t the first adult animation to use gross out humor, it created the stereotype that it was the only type of joke these shows had to offer. There’s not many well thought out jokes that come from set up and execution because that would take effort from the writing team
The last family guy episode I watched before deciding I couldn't take it anymore was "trans-fat" which somehow managed to squeeze three separate extended fart jokes into the first thirteen minutes (And then there's also the seriously bad policitics of it all).
agreed - I couldn't watch/listen as I found they pushed their comedy too hard, like those pushy edits you refer to......
I really liked the cuttaways as a kid and into my teens. Its the nastyness of their personalities that killed it for me. The herpes episode was the one that was too much for me.
I hate the term “adult cartoon” when it refers to these shows.
It’s vulgar but by no means “adult”
I want to make a REAL adult cartoon, that a kid would get bored of watching, like an animated drama.
@@SupHapCak watch Bojack Horseman. It uses its strange animation to help convey a deeply human and tragic story live action could never tell. It also has well timed jokes and some of the best voice acting I’ve ever heard. There’s really nothing “kid friendly” about it other than screen grabs of the show looking like they could have originated in a kids cartoon or something like Family Guy. One of Netflix’s biggest blunders was advertising the show like it was their family guy because that’s what the executives wanted (and eventually got with big mouth). I personally wrote the show off and didn’t give it a chance until the fourth season and felt almost cheated about the misleading
South Park and simpsons are 10x better than family guy
The reason: family guy sucks.
I couldn't care less how mean the characters are. I just want the story to make sense and be funny
Then stay away from Not all Dogs go to Heaven and Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q. Those are by far 2 of the worst episodes in the ENTIRE SERIES that I've ever watched.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 What about Brian's a Bad Father and Seahorse Seashell Party, though? Those were actually some of THE worst episodes of Family Guy in my opinion.
@@ilhambrewok7860 They're bad, but I hate the 2 I listed even more.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Ah, I get it.
@@ilhambrewok7860 Even worse than Con Heiress?
I think every show, regardless of how good it was, got considerably less interesting when the animation became a computer copy and paste job. SpongeBob #1 example. It’s pretty noticeable in family guy as well.
The way to love this show is dont expect any sense. I know that what I'm watching is simply chaotic and hilarious, and this is why I love so much family guy. There aren't other shows like family guy
"Drake" this video didnt age well😂
family guy was a negative influence of the adult animation industry, the majority of adult animation on TV feel like family guy clones. I'm not saying the show is bad but it definitely didn't do much good.
Even in the South Park episodes that made fun of Family Guy they had one character stick up for the show. I think he said something along the lines of you don't have to tell a story for every show, some folks just want to have a good laugh .
This show just has no storyline. They go off on random jokes all the time instead of ever sticking to a storyline. It’s barely a show, just a collection of 50 peoples’ jokes
I really doubt 2D animators would complain about family guys, since they are just being replaced by 3D, so every occurrence of 2D animation in any form is so precious for them atm
I personally think family guy is a fine show which is sometimes really funny, but also sometimes not funny
Best way to sum it 🙌🏼
American Dad! > Family Guy
King of the hill, I don't even watch it, yet I like the memes surrounding it, the Simpsons is literally just mad that family Guy is a copy of it, and south Park did a pretty good job roasting family Guy, props to the south Park crew.
My favorite simpsons-FG moment is one of the Treehouses of horror, when Homer gets a cursed magical Hammock, this hammock has the power to clone a person, so there's a moment when the clones clon themselves and you can see Peter chilling in the background with the rest of the clones
While I do agree with everything mentioned against Family Guy, the irony of you having this exact discussion while lazily stitching together repeated clips and animated GIFs isn't lost on me.
You can't really compare a TH-cam video from a guy with barely any subscribers to a multi-million dollar animated series with hundreds of episodes under thier belt.
@@uberbyte7467 No one is comparing the level of quality. The irony is that he's quite literally doing the exact same thing he's bringing up as a negative in this video. It's not even a common thing TH-camrs do, which makes it stand out even more. It's shining a light on laziness while simultaneously showing how lazy you are yourself.
It's like when a video mentions how terrible and corny the writing of a show is, only to follow it up with a cringeworthy 5 minute sketch full of all the same issues they brought up.
@@FreakinSweet1987 Great now I have to spend my next year doing an animation so that I can make a "shutup" response, see ya next decade for my next 3 videos about frogs, pinatas and potatoes
Family guy is the type of show I’d watch every once in a while, same with the Simpsons and South Park. I don’t really care about the animation it’s just a show that wants to make people laugh.
Exactly
I liked Family Guy alot for the first few seasons and then it just got lame..terrible writing that depended more on shocking the audience rather than making them laugh.
I get why they said Family Guy was like…super similar to The Simpson’s, but Family Guy is unique for its outrageous and comedic cutaways that always used to/still make me laugh. I’ve watched both shows and I can honestly say that I’ve enjoyed and laughed at Family Guy more than I have The Simpson’s, mainly just because of all the funny jokes and cutaways
okay then, but most of these animators don't have much room to talk.
John K and Mike Judge are the only ones that do.
@@MacenW fucking JOHN K 😭😭😭 hes a bit self righteous and uhh, problematic (*dates 1 year old*) dont you say
Ren and stimpy was god awful. The animation and all. So it's really ironic.
@@cuppster Well, to be fair, the scummy crap in John K's personal life isn't really relevant when it comes to his opinions on animation industry subjects, is it?
@@X0E12 ren and stimpy was great
If there is one big discrepancy that must be addressed, blame the big exects, they're why adult cartoon shows are trash nowadays, just like how big videogame companys are to blame for the regurgitated crap every year and pay to win mechanics.
Don't blame the animators, blame the higher ups that opt out for cheap animation to turn an easy profit
"Water under the bridge now i guess, but still water."
Sometimes reading back over your script is a good idea. Not everything needs to stay.
I've tried watching the Simpsons NUMEROUS times and could never get into it the way I got into family guy the first time watching it as a kid so I find that criticism laughable.
They talk about how family guy's characters are too mean or too nice. What does that even mean? What a vague and acute critique of them especially when we've seen much evil characters in other cartoons.
South Park is one of the greatest shows ever put on television. That being said I think Matt Stone and Trey Parker are just haters on this one. The fact is the Family Guy Franchise is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sorry, but you're doing SOMETHING right if the market values you that much and so many people like the product. Not to mention they make it out as if Family Guy never has a story line when they literally have 2-3 individual story lines going at once in a episode and rarely just do one.
Every kind of art including South Park and the Ren and Stimpy creator have all been given criticisms of people considered some of the best in the business I'm sure of it. To say family guy sucks because of opinions from the top in the industry criticized them is basically saying almost 90% of all cartoonists and animators suck on that merit.
The fact is family guy was way ahead of it's time. It created so many influences and references and we all love and adore it like we love South Park or the Simpsons. The Simpsons and family guy aren't even comparable in my eyes other than the fact the main characters are the dads and it's based on a middle class family. I'm sorry but how many cartoons can we find that has story lines so similar if not the same? I guess King of the Hill, the Flintstones, the Jetsons, etc. Maybe not in the same category as R rated cartoons sure but this bit was done to death way before family guy.
Family Guy was ahead of it's time, brought a lot of good memories and laughs to so many around the world, and has earned it's place as one of the greatest adult animations of all time.
It was Fox's fault for Family Guy being similar to The Simpsons. They made SO much money off The Simpsons, they turned Seth's original pitch into the Simpsons clone it was.
Meg and Stewie were never supposed to be there. Seth has said him and the team didn't know how to write a teen girl, which is why she turned into a punching bag.
I've always liked the Simpsons, they were the first to use dark humor but it seems that it's been getting different, Family Guy is a great design and the characters have remained the same, which is to be respected!
I think this is one of the issues about Family Guy, nearly all characters remained the same and it is not a thing that we should respect, it shows lack of creativity and passion towards the characters of the show.
Well, when you are using Manatees to randomly give you the jokes, it's pretty easy to keep everything the same.
Everything is the same because everything is so 1-dimensional. Not really a challenging thing to do.
I don’t care what people say, I really hate Family Guy. The humor is just, “Louis remember the time I..” and then some stupid random cut away.
If you pay attention what is actually animated in the show, you notice how lazy and lackluster it truly is. The characters just stand still, blinking every few seconds and use the same 4-5 arm and body poses. It's just stiff and really insulting to watch, especially when they put up a single frame for an entire minute and think it's sufficient because the audio is funny enough.
it's, honestly in my opinion probably cause of how offensive, and way too dramatic it can be sometimes to some people.
Speaking of good cartoons… ;)
I don't find it offensive because it's self aware most of the time, but there's no sense of comedy when you just know people will be pissed off, that's sacrificing laughs for "relevance", something the show nowadays sorely craves. Don't get me wrong, some dark laughs of the show have busted me every now and then but that meta bullshit gets on my nerves and comes off as pretentious. That's just the way a teenager edgelord on the internet drafts up his act. Also, the obscure pop culture references, not that smart, just anything a person who's watched too much TV and films and memorized-by-route names of books every school and radio show mention, doesn't make it any better. Shit on South Park, go ahead but sometimes they've come up with jokes that hide references to Europa Cinema, anime, and British literature, but in a visual and quick manner that doesn't detract from the setting. Family Guy literally announces or redoes, as in reenacting, its fucking references and it's mostly Americana/U.S pop culture regurgitated, lame. That's why it isn't as cherished here in South America as South Park, even early Simpsons didn't rely that much on being an Americana orgasmaboard.
@@mauriciovillamar2951 Me either, honestly not gonna lie sometimes when the dark comedy is done the right way imo I actually find it hilarious.
@@mauriciovillamar2951 ofcourse its offensive, because its meant to be and thats why people find it funny, its fine to be insulted or hurt by it but theres no intent of actually insulting anyone and its just making jokes out of things, dont you think its abit too sensitive to be offended by something like that?
my biggest issue with family guy isn’t necessarily the animation, rather it is the awful segway to jokes. it’s always some similie that has no relevancy:
“wow this is awkward, like _________ (you insert ANYTHING that fits the bill)”
time and time again it’s the same.
Hey Louis, remember the time when I was in England with Brian while remembering the time when I saw brian fucking a girl while also remembering the time when I married Kanye west while also remembering the time when I was hanging out with quagmire in hell while also remembering the time when I'm trying to remember the time when we went swimming in a pool of meg's diarrhea?
@@Iloveyou-dz7mq I don't think I saw that episode
@@Iloveyou-dz7mq cutaway within a cutaway type beat
"You think that's bad, remember the time I shit my pants in Brazil while watching Jimmy Kimmel"
@@kaiserreichmapping805 reminds me of that one time when I hang out with my future self and my past self in futuristic mcdonalds
That first criticism is really dumb. Just because the art style is simplistic.
vid starts at 0:50
King Of The Hill,Simpsons (The good seasons at least) and South Park have charm and put effort into their shows, Family Guys comedy is just unfunny and uninspired, like its just filling in time with cutaways and flanderization is a constant for the characters. Thank God American Dad is doing its own thing and is still great.
I disagree, i still like family guy because its just there for fun.
what do you know of good shows you like MHA
@@orangefantaafan MHA is a good show indeed.people who said it's bad just never finish 1 or two seasons of it, look
@@connorcornwall1404 watch a good anime ig? mha is sooo boring superheroes are lame and always will be except for dc characters and deku is such a loser and the side chaacters are only there for fan service and the characters are so uninteresting like bakushit and that prince zuko rip off. "oooh i got the fire powers ohhh i got the ice powers my childhood was sad ttso itsgood" no no it isn't i hate the females in this show they are soooo annoying . Long enough for you? villains are bad because they're bad lmfao deku doesn't get amy character development and Just because you turn into an emo loser doesnt mean your good.
@@orangefantaafan it's a superheroes show,it's no wonder.i can say exact same shit with One Piece except they handles it pretty well with their world building and characters development.
Sadly family guy did set a standard for lazy animation after it switched to full digital. It's very stilted and when people talk their hands are down at their sides like they're standing at attention
Family guy never made me laugh once it's cringy
John K was right, literally every adult cartoon now looks very simple and is borderline the same
I really think the pedophile who made Cans without Labels should get off his high horse.
They know they fucking screwed up when even a pedophile knows that stuff like this is repetitive.
Who cares, there fun to watch idk why people are making it so deep
@@thewhomby6268 No they're not
It’s hard to create an original animation when the simpsons have literally done everything
ignoring the many many ways you easily could
It's corporations. Family Guy worked. Therefore the formula proved to be a profitable one, so why change it?
Family guy was good in the early days back when Stewie was still evil.
I feel like Family Guy, while one good, has long since overstayed its welcome and needs to end
Family guy had its peaks and for me it dropped off when stuie killed lois then turned out to be a simulation then it really wasn't watching after they killed off Brian only to bring him back 3 episodes later. Plus after awhile it got super annoying when every episode they were mutilating or killing the main cast 3 times per episode and for awhile they were constantly breaking the 4th wall to the point it just felt lazy.
Futurama also made fun of Family Guy in an episode where they had a Family Guy calendar saying “12 laughs a year”
Implying that Family Guy is only funny 12 times in a season
Funny because Futurama never made me laugh.
I loved futurama… to each their own though :)
@@KennyJ702 yeah because it's more like a emotional approach and comedy rather than unfunny jokes and random gags.
@@connorcornwall1404 the randomness makes Family Guy the perfect pothead comedy alongside Rick & Morty you don't have to know anything about the characters just know some crazy-ish stuff is going down. Now that I think about all of Adult Swim is pothead comedy
@@KennyJ702 what's the point of comedy when you already expected it?
It's like one of those knock knock joke,you already knew the outcome and it wasn't very surprising and funny anymore.it can apply to Family Guy when they do repetitive shit that are mostly violence and remarks about how terrible is history or being self-aware about certain things.
Family guy would be funny if most of the cut away gags were removed.
I just think the Family Guy jokes so just dumb and pointless and it doesn't have the same magic like what the Simpsons has and connecting with the characters
In the crossover you mentioned, they chose to show nearly every character who was shown to be copied from the Simpsons while the lawyer was stating that whole thing.
The judge was Fred Flintstone.
@@CoyoteSeven Huh?