TUNDRA vs FALCONS - PLAYOFFS ELIMINATION - EWC x RIYADH MASTERS 2024 DOTA 2
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TUNDRA vs FALCONS - PLAYOFFS - RIYADH MASTERS x Esports World Cup 2024 DOTA 2
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Topson pick is a thinline between creativity and stupidity
It's also Tundra coach fault. He said that he accept whatever Topson wants to play even if it's super dumb because "he is a 2 times TI winner so he decide".
What's the point to have a coach if the guy is a carpet and get step on by his player's ego.
Tundra need a real coach whose gonna manage the draft to avoid these kind of "loss before it started" game
@@rac8153 holy sh-t that sounds stupid af
Every one knows Dota updating every week and it changes everything
@@UmarRosyad YEah thats the downfall of having a ex failed pro as coach just because you need a coach. Like OG right now with that Misha mistake
Most successful teams had either non pro/barely played pro coach (GG, Liquid, Spirit) or super smart ex-pro (OG TI, Falcons, etc).
Tundra need a real coach who can manage the ego and fantasy picks of some of his players. Until then they wont win an event
Falcons best player in game 2 was pure
Pure buying out for butter, dying, auto losing elimination game, then flaming Ramzes in interview after game was priceless. (He said Ramzes, "has a lot to learn about the offlane") XD
Pure just didn't play well, reckless on that Morphling
Where is interview was?
@@menttank on live stream after game 2 was end
He did not flame Ramzes, he told about recent Ramzes pos1->pos3 change
@@ex0ze Still, he shouldn't talk about ramzess when he's the one who made them lose
pure with a lot of questionable decisions on game 2
Should have gotten a bkb and early butterfly
Yaya he got problem , why not u go ply for them even? This is team game just accept it.
It was mistake after mistake... This is the kind of game players get kicked out for, if TI wasn't so close.
@@foowye1025”this is team game just accept it”? Dude, Falcon was like missing all of them on the map, and that ward was there whole time because SB got caught on that 2 minutes ago. If he dont do that they might not lose that series, what a Herald brain to think it just a pub game or something, its pro competitive tournament thou
You forget Faceless Void game 1? Look like a creep
Topson overcooked, Pure not buying BKB against 5 stuns until like 40min or so... Feels like Tundra isn't very discipline, way too many overextension. Overall Falcon just better.
Topson timezoned to the airport, ideal. Really like i said before, tundra gonna just overpush their draft limit and pick something totally useless. They would have won game 1 with a real mid, they played 4V6 in teamfight
Game 2 is on Pure, his Taiga waveform were too obvious. Odd from him when he is usually super consistent but that game, he went full RTZ with how bad he was throwing the game.
Liquid vs Falcon will be interesting to watch unless Liquid draft like they did vs GG
Tundra is SEA gaming
mannnnnn that disarm on topson by ammar @ 25:30 was so fucking clutch
Now than ever before we can see how great the OG of 2018-19 era was. Jerax, Ceb, and Notail were able to cover up the imperfections that Ana and Topson had in their game and playstyle, and make them shine. The problem with Tundra taking Topson is that they don't have the same caliber supports to back Topson's occasional throws. Sure, Whitemon and 9class are good, but they can't always see Topson's enabling factor and timing.
Current dota fans can bash Topson all they want. But there is almost nobody who can come up with pesky, risky, weird, but effective plays and builds. Yall already forgot diffusal on Gyro which won them the finals against Liquid golden squad with Kuroky and Miracle
Disagree, topson who plays actively early game with qw invoker, pugna, tiny, mk, should not pick void mid...
"... but effective plays and builds". Well, no and no. This series and the previous one against BetBoom just prooves the opposite.
sometimes i hope they are back as a team to show their fangay how bad they are now. what a bunch of delusional twats bringing 2018-19 gameplay to this era
@@sabii8571memories bro, ti that time is a golden age for OG and its really amazing to watch it on live
@@sabii8571 no matter how bad they are now they already got everything to proof theyre the best and it amaze me after all that topson and ceb still competing with these youngster
that last disarm on topson was the game. if snapfire didnt get disarm..he will clear all of them
Pure with the late game throwing
classic
One hell of Purest throw. 50 minute farming alone with 4 enemy heroes missing from map with no lategame buyback.
They lost at 20:39 that was so messy they could’ve pushed with aegis but instead forced awkward fight.
Pure waveform in the airplane. That was on him
Crit's hoodwink is invisible in the chat.
Give credits to his bushwacks.
Flopson meme picks backlashes again 😂
I really don’t know why people are blaming Topson. Picking Void with Time Zone was tactic to keep enemies in Wukong. His Snapfire on 2nd game was good. Pure throw in the end, and lets speak about his BkB, when he bought that. And his Morphling had bad itemization in my opinion(nevermind). Also 9class NyX very low and his Bara also not so good. Wp Falcons, Tundra, gl next tournament.
From Pure to Poor 😂
Crit's Hoodwink is nasty! Those bushwhack is always on point
Pure with dat waveform man, his mechanic skill is rlly superb, but sometime his ego ruin the game, like that morph waveform, too greedy, and this is pro league, not an average pub game, one mistake can cost u the game.
I can see the logic for Time Zone void but the skill needs to have a lower cooldown. Having the same cooldown as Chrono but not the impact just makes the skill bad.
it's very bad tho enemy can still use bkb. totally useless
Funny thing is that he had jakiro in team vs ck and decided to go for that facet anyway. Damn hipster.
It's only fair it cost them the series.
Chrono vs slark and pango is also pretty good
Pure and 9class second game cost them the game
and pure got detected by same ward that killed 9class
@@Tyull-hm8bz both are brainless :V
sometimes Pure just don't wanna win
He's too emotional. I can relate.
Pure is your typical overconfident cocky kid that everybody in the room is waiting for him to stumble. LOL
@@apuman224 He's the new Nikobaby. Remember Nikobaby?
@@adrianopa14409class also cocky kid and act like he can fight with ball
Pure pulled an Ame with that stupid wave form at the Top Highground losing his life and the aegis
They really did deserve this L.
Their opponent here is not a lower level tier team, those witty lineups wouldn't work.
Tundra disrespect Falcons really hard. Its kind of dumb when standard draft would have gave them great chance for Finals
timezone increase any move on allied so wukong command also benefit so much during that time
but falcon also knew that
this morphing actually the reason why they throw so much
Topson picks heroes just to look cool and unusual. contribution to team fight? zero.
I mean it works out sometimes but in Game 1..... he had 0 impact the whole game, but they had the game 2 in the bag if Pure didn't die off position there
@@youtubeguy9529 wasnt in the bag but they had a chance, they were getting out scaled eventually.
pure with no bb game 2 cost the game
2nd game was very nail-biting to watch. Game 1 was sick too
22:35 AMAR is 5th on networth and a minute later he is top networth. Wtf was that?
they got rosh and ammar gets aghs blessing?
@@orcant123on that note, is centaur agh really that good. It is just the cart thing right
@@benghaz7930it's good just for giving centaur a 2nd stampede for himself. He gets stampede buff when he uses the cart
Topson void 0 ults
if pure dnt solo die, im sure they win 2 game, did you see how that topson lvl25 they almost won that fight w/ 4v5
Sure your mom la , talk after the game end here . They just aim for tower not hero . U think topson can survive there if 5 of them jump on him ? Herald brain
@@XiaosirenU braindead?
@@Xiaosirenlol agreed, if they jump on topson and not focus on t4 and throne this topson gonna ez dead
Because Topson use cheesy pick means he using pick that benefit to late game. so in early and middle its hard for Tundra win big, Void and Snafire. While the other is Falcon they are have synergy and they pick better mid heroes that can do Early - Mid Push and still usable at late game with his skill. like Pango and DK which better at gank and everything.
@@tribale715 topson mid with void is fine , but his item choice is wrong , why atos first when their lineup play for late game ? Why not mael storm to farm i dont know
Topsons pick always surprise me. Its the reason i follow him. Doenst matter if he Win or lose
Pure 322 krappa
Pure making so many mistsakes that game. So many questionable waveforns in game 2
nice throw pure
topson must be missing ana so bad.
absolutely
i don't think topson is in any position to be blame teammates after that zero impact faceless void (least damage, lowest kill participation) and then going 2-5 in g2 after winning his lane. topson fanboys are always ready to call him a genius when his unconventional ideas and hyper-aggression work, but when it falls flat it's always someone else's fault. you've gotta learn to take the good with the bad with topson, his approach to the game is high-risk, high-reward and when that risk doesn't pay off it's not his teammates you should be criticizing.
Topson is just a free advertisement for the tundra org.
Tundra makes mistakes but what amazes me more is the ability of falcons to punish tundra everytime tundra make mistakes and you can see a lot of outplays by falcons.
Pure's death cost game 2 but his team wasn't playing around him in the first place.
Weights are overloaded on pure's shoulder on game 2 and none of tundra player buying nullifier is that cost them the game in my opinion. There's dozens of force staff saves that turn the tides and nullifier would've prevent those.
Topson Void was a melee creep.
Yeah, with no chromo and Gleipnir is just POS4 energy. Useless. Should have gone void spirit instead.
Crit's rotation is always on point, with that they got the early advantage
You would think that in game 2 you won the late game draft with Morph who is good against Gyro at all stages and also core Snapfire(especially against phoenix) but then you remember that you have a pos 4 spirit breaker, chen and dark seer versus a centaur, hoodwink and phoenix who all scale better. Besides they also suck versus Gyro and DK. Tundra were the ones actually on a timer and failed to get things done despite having (arguably) better scaling pos 1 and 2. Rapier satanic snap would have been their win condition that never came to pass.
"dark seer sucks vs dk"
lul
Tundra absolutely had better late draft but their captain is a tilted kid wcyd
That faceless void pick threw this series ez 1-0 against them. THIS. IS. PRO. SCENE. NOT. PUB. GAME.
Topson wanna combo with mk ulti
Slark off is also trash. But they make it work. Anything works in dota
void really weak in ealry game, you need atleast 2-3 item core to go into the fight
@amazingmillenials3670 then what happened?
@haziq12ish it's pos 3. When it's pos 2 it's different. YOU. ARE. YOUR. TEAM'S. TOP XP. HERO. EARLY.
pure is just like 23savage ..... superb carry with superb ego.
come on pure god damn tundra gonna win in game 2 fk those waveform in
game 1 draft is a classic SEA server type shit
Pure is the new RTZ
Game 2 after Spirit breaker died on toplane tier 1, then Pure stayed there confidently. As the result he died and don't have buyback. Well said nice try Tundra, comeback stronger 💪
Time for Pure to switch to Off-lane. I miss the old Pure Axe! From my personal perspective base on his playstyle. It's better for him to play Pos 3 which he usually dominates especially on laning stages of the game.
People keep blaming Pure but they did not realize 9class is the one Tilting SB with the lowest networth is not normal in any game, I can imagine their coms 9class keep calling to go in that is why pure is always baited
9class cry baby . Good to see him lose
Tundra just threw games left and right.
Everyone here blaming Pure whilst he did the most impact on the 2 games, loses all credit in the end lol. Talk about mid Void with Gleipnir and 9Class 10+ deaths on SB
😂 Pure died and cost them the game. I dunno man. Sounds like valid for me.
@@gabc.8846 even if u have impact it doesnt mean u r not gonna be blamed for throwing
Its a game of details
pure def has a lot of potential, but Potential needs to be translated into wins, not what ifs
he had good impact in controlling the game but dude also cost them the game since with overextending alongside 9class
buy butterfly without buyback>win the game
They lose cs pure trhowing so many times he trhowing.
"He pulled a lot of heroes back and still traded 1 for 1!"
*Experience* : "Am I a joke to you?"
1:38 Skitter's chaos bolt lmao
why 9class didn't buy vessel for game 2?
pure meta: trashtalk now, lose later. lmao
I wanted to se topson monkey king:( and last game What a big throw
Would be nice to see Topson Mk but putting void safelane is suicidal.
The lack nullifier hurt so bad in game 2
Pure the new Taiga
they lose because tundra carry didn't think that mkb small difference is huge thing
Sniper - void - shredder 😂
hopefully falcons kick liquid s....as i do not want a 3-0 grand final.....
@@loh-4528 😂😂😂😂😂
then it would be GG 0-3 Falcon haha
@@tuoikien602 i think 3-1 at least if falcons vs gg final....pls not a 3-0😂
For some reason Falcons never loose those kind of games
thats a speed release bro
Wth is Topias and Pure doing. So many throws.
game 1 wtf is that draft...
pure begged to lose game 2 literally all he had to do was play with his team instead of diving throne lmao
the usual sk topson dk/brood pure and normal whitemon 9class ramzes picks would have crushed falcons i feel like
i hate to say it but i think 322... sadly like some of these games don't make any sense literally how do fully focused 13 k mmr players do some of these mistakes... no buyback saves even 😂...
No discipline dota... When i saw Morph waving into their base for hood i was like wtf is he doing. Sure he had ageis but i don't think he bought his BKB yet and him respawning in their base against 5 stuns...
Topson Interview - "When my team is feeling down, I'll try to cheer"
Of course you need to try to cheer because you made them feeling down due to your bad play. What else can you do?
Bro, chill))
Lol topson was on point both games, even if the draft didn't work. Go back to your herald pub.
@@deancorso6140 your idol always try to pick unsual to make himself look cool, but zero impact. Dogson and his fan are so dumdum
@@huyenng3482 hahaha lmao , his fans said flopson ok point . With trash fv mid no impact and new facet try to get attention by this fans gaye
He also blames ramzess 😂
ty for throw Pure! lol
I feel bad bout that throw. But for sure, Pure more feeling bad for what he has done :'0
I'm not convinced that the players couldn't hear the commentary on the loudspeakers (through their headphones) to know that Pure didn't have BB on that last kill. There's no soundproof booth here right? Or is the commentary not played out loud for the audience?
Normally every player have to wear 2 devices: one for noise cancelling, one for PC sound, so hearing commentators is not easy.
Even when he had bb, Falcon would still push in to force bb.
They were trying to push for buyback
@@potato-yx5te I know that, but from our perspective it almost seems like they pushed exactly after it was mentioned in the commentary, instead of immediately after the kill itself.
Unlikely, but I was just curious how good the soundproofing was. And I know that most majors don't have soundproof booths anyway
@@invoker619you push for the buyback even if he has it or not in that scenario, if he doesn’t great if he uses it. Try to leave as soon as possible to repossession
Falcon’s strategy is to always pick a strength heroes.
What strength hero? Like slark?
He is talking about CK or sven or WK for skitter
He played 3 str heroes today ( CK 2x , WK 1x ) , 2 agi - ( 1x weaver , 1x gyro ) dude plays what works for them
@@babthegreathe play gyro 2nd game 🗿
Yeah two tanky heroes and hard to kill support like Phoenix or Weaver. Liquid or GG needs to teach them Gay picks won't make the game win every time. And, before TI, Valve should nerf all tanky heroes or nerf Malrine and ATF heroes like TI11.
I've been following topson for so many years and i think his best hero is MK , Morph , Ember and Pango. His skills are on different level when playing these heroes.
pure 322
Being a hipster doesn't help today :(
ammar all chatting hero facets is so random AF lmao
1st time?, that the new BM instead of Tipping pinging random hero facets is now meta
@@deomikhailangelonunez5789 yep its my first time sry
@@deomikhailangelonunez5789 wow so cool touch some grass nerd
@@kriiiieghuh? did i bang your mom or something
17:32 That malr1ne juke !!!
pure morplhing is so fucking bad it hurts, it happends 2 days in a row, he never buys bkb on morphling until he dies 3-4 times and its too late to buy it anyway.
oh pure lol
report Pure late game 2 :V
Falcon's parrying was great!
Change ramzes with saberlight and all good
That Centaur was a menace. Standing in front of 5 still at full hp.
falcon vs gg final. falcon win another tourney again
they didnt ban crit hoodwink. no respect!
Bro has pretty big hero pool☠
@@win.ngo.55 tundra lost because of that bushwack
Pure great farmer but too much confidence
Ramzes so fu*king passive even support have more presense in the game
Falcon looks shaky, gg win this tourney
Hater lol
@@gravitydotes9594 Have you watched Quest vs Falcons?
gg win by carry dif, dyrachyo > skiter in range
@@julian_hessedo you know quest beat spirit; 2 times current TI winners and ryhad master champs?
@@julian_hesse grand final vibes
Topson non impact honestly
Wtf Ammar, slark off, this guy is so good
Spoiler block! saitama wins!
game 2 the last vacum into 5 success but topson snap got disarm if het success to shredder all of them that would be 😮
NT Whitemon
Agies + 1 lane = throw
lmao tundra
THE LB RUN GOES ON!!!1!!11 LETSGO FALCON BOYS 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
25:00 if Topson had bkb'ed DK stun there, they could've have made a comeback with shredder multishot on ramzes vac.
ur actually correct
no? cant u see shredder on cd for atleast 5smore
imagine 50 minute farming alone when 4 enemies missing on map with no late game buyback. still blame on your team mates. You a leader Pure jezz, thats why MC left
Please, give throphy for falcon.
Waste time
I see a lot of negative comments about Pure. Sorry, I respect Topson but in this game Tundra played without mid. Void had zero infuence
Very fun games I always love Tundra vs Falcons
GG Puro, cagada no final 24:02
when was the last time topson played a normal mid hero
Old vs new Tundra :D great game but Falcons looking strong.
tundra should have more patience in game 3