Dirty Driving On Gran Turismo Has Now Officially Peaked
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Awful penalty system. I've had so many good races ruined by frustrated players wiping people out.
People think they are entitled to revenge fouls. But what they don't get, is that they just keep escalating the never ending circle of bad on track behaviour!
Just look at the granturismo subreddit. There is all you need to know why we won't have clean racing until PD implements a penalty system (an SR algorithm) that works!
If that doesn’t prove how broken it is I’ll never understand!
1st race with him chasing Rory off the grass & the innocent party getting a 3secs pen is utter nonsense
@@PatsFanGermany " There is all you need to know why we won't have clean racing until PD implements a penalty system (an SR algorithm) that works!"
Part of the problem is how to determine something is a racing incident versus dirty driver. It's not an algorithm thing, it's the processing power to try and guess the drivers intention.
Thing is, history has proven someone is going to get offended. In GT Sport, the first Penalty system was "too soft" and allowed dirty drivers to exploit. They upped the sensitivity, and suddenly people were getting penalties from bumping from late braking, bumping when passing and bumping when not noticing other players were there or guys trying to defend and other drivers narrow.
You, literally, can't have a system to please all.
As for the escalations.... They are bullies. There are only two known way to handle a bully. Both have positive and negative aspects, so choose carefully.
@@Kuro__Sasori "1st race with him chasing Rory off the grass & the innocent party getting a 3secs pen is utter nonsense" The 3 seconds was for hitting the wall. The guy avoided a penalty because Rory stayed on the track from the contact and many players re-enter the track from the grass... game does not have intelligence, it can only process the information, not discern the intent.
Pretty confident, if the other driver was not there and Rory was hit off the track, there would have been a 4 minute penalty.
They cant police everyone/every incident, but hand out a few hundred 30 day bans in a month or two for poor sportsmanship/ramming and it would clean things up pretty quick. Get the worst out of the lobbies and show others they should cool it after a hot move.
Bonneval getting the penalty after just getting completely annihilated out of nowhere is just the cherry on top.
This is why I never race daily B (and C unless there is pit strategy involved). I'm really trying to keep my A+ rating as GT1 for the Nations/Manu tends to be very clean. There is way better/cleaner racing to be had in lobbies even with all the coding/game design issues lobbies have. There are some great lobby hosts that run strict clean rooms and communities of clean drivers that organize scheduled races. Totally superior racing experience than dailies if you know how to navigate lobbies. I've put this guy's name on my boot list. If is see him in lobbies that I frequent I will try to have him removed. It's something I often do. If you can't race clean you won't be racing with me or my community. Love your videos! keep up the good work!
Yeah fair play mate. I should try some lobbies. I usually just do the daily races... but man, it only takes one prick to completely ruin your race(s)... and then sometimes picking up a penalty after being punted into a wall, while they drive away scott free.. It can be quite frustrating.
@@noc1087 Use the filters to narrow down the lobby choices. Then go for rooms with "clean" in the title. That's a good place to start. Lots of friends to make in there!
There's online racing other than the daily races in GT7? 😮
@@morimetz indeed, very good racing as OP stated. Worth a look, use filters and try your hand. You'd be surprised of the talent and skill in lobbies
The core of the community are passionate about clean and fair racing, it is a shame the lobbies aren't in the greatest state (stability and size of grids) still to allow for these leagues to flourish!
That was the absolute most payback moment I've ever seen in GT hahahaha wow he really dropped back from the front for that one reason
ART_Bonnieval99 is my new hero. Now I don't usually condone or encourage paybacks even if well deserved, but this one gets my nod of approval and admiration because of the victory donuts afterwards. Yes, Fogatlan had it coming because of his shenanigans in the first race, and I'm sure this is not the first time he's pulled some bullshit like this, even then I can get passed that when I race. You're going to meet some bad tempered, unskilled bad sports once in awhile, but you gotta let them go, otherwise you'll spend every session you play just chasing them around the track.
However, this time I took great joy in seeing Bonnie's payback, and more so, Fogatlan's missed retaliation where he put himself into the wall. That was just funny as hell.
The donuts absolutely took me out of my chair 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How is this guy not going downstairs on his SR?!
I swear, if I'd do that only once I'd fall to C SR. (currently S)
For us it is still unclear why there is no reporting feature for this and why such drivers are not punished with the exclusion from the sport mode.
$$$ ? It would cost money to PD, possibly less people will play because they are banned, so I guess there is a financial motivation from PD to not invest in this and keep the money flowing with dirty drivers ...
1. Being banned from sports mode does not mean being banned from the entire game.
2. An exclusion can and should always be temporary (e.g. as in iRacing, Rocket League or other typical eSports games)
I’m also afraid people will abuse that power as well. The perpetrator could report anyone else just as much, and ban the innocent. This happens in games like COD too, people report others unfairly, and innocent people get banned from playing for a while. It really sucks
It’s a farce, I got hit into every corner for the first three laps of a daytona race this week, maybe 20 or 30 punts! at the end I told the lobby they were incompetent and I received a warning for it. Madness and it leaves a lot of resentment.🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Can you imagine the guys face when he watches that replay back to see Bonnevales donuts?. Priceless 😂
If you listen as your passing the start finish line for final lap. You can hear him beeping his horn in frustration. Wow still boiled up from first race. Racing brings out some characters.
how can you actually sound the horn on GT7 😅
For some strange reason this car has horn and you can assign it a button in options menu
I think he was just a dirty driver before he started with Rory. See how he was outside the slip and cut over just before Rory catches him. I would bet the bank he was trying to PIT the car in front, or lining up to punt him on the turn.
@@XDutchMaikel i have one in my wheel. Gt7
The only car in this race that has a horn is the s15. No others have it
Perfect timing to post this when servers are down thx
You missed the chance to have a screenshot of your car launched into the air.
Oh I got it!
Bonnieval did the right thing, when some twonk starts playing up, you have to stomp on them. Otherwise they exploit peoples good nature.
Only way this behavior gets prevented is with suspensions, only way GT7 will do that is when all the TH-camrs have a call to action
Imagine all TH-camrs driving protest liveries in all their live streams and videos.
If other players joined in, there quickly would be 100s of hours of very visible protest.
Never happen, GT7 is a console arcade sim. Its to accessible.. hell, you can use a controller lol
@@greedmiser8414 Not to mention GT7 is s single player game at it's core. It's likely that dailies and lobbies will never be given the time/resources they should to make the experience better. :(
It Blows my mind every day when I see other people trying to ram me after I passed them , like somehow in that little peanut
brain they believe they are the fastest 😂😂😂😂
Nice to see the dailies as clean as ever! Doesnt matter what split lobby you are in, there is always an idiot 🙄
The system is broken and PD don’t seem to want to bother, or know how to fix this. I’ve had penalties recently that weren’t my fault.., I’ve quite stupid destruction derby races and as a result been demoted from group B to C. This has become ridiculous. Thankfully I’ve managed to maintain my SR at S rating.
making me think twice about going on sport mode
What I’ve resorted to is pressing pause when I feel I’m about to get rear ended or side swiped, it ghosts your car and the aggressor flies right through your car and into the corner.
Daily Race B and C are all out war right now. Might just skip those for this week.
I've skipped this week and the two weeks before, too. There's no point in trying to improve your Dr with so many dirty drivers in every lobby!
Nothing more frustrating that getting punted, you clip the wall, get a pen and the knob gets nothing. Then when you go for payback their ghosted......
This is why I don’t play GT7 anymore, people can just do stuff like this with no punishment, if you done this in iRacing you would get banned from the service and the money you spent on the cars, tracks and subscription would be going to waste
LOL that look back during the race and seeing him rocket down the hill was classic
Second race was pretty solid. As for the bronze GTR, I think we've seen a Hungarian Torpedo in the wild.
I love how you looked back at the end at the perfect timing to see him wipe out lmfaoooo
I'm frustrated with the penalty system too, because it's unfair. Drove on Daytona last week, in a right-hand bend, one came out of the green stripe back onto the roadway, way too fast and out of control. I hit him in the side because it came as a surprise to me... and got a 2 second penalty for that. That's no fun
This is why I'm stuck in C. I'm not a great driver but I reckon I could be in B. Problem is, every time I start doing well some clown shunts me and I get bad results. If they would fix the penalties so they're allocated to the right person. This vid shows the guilty party getting nothing and an innocent party getting their race ruined then getting a penalty on top of that.
That is a Kimmi wannabee!
Fantastic moves from Kevin!
Love the content!
That is the funniest thing I’ve seen. The donuts at the end were epic 🍩
speaking from experience, “dirty driving” is all the result of low self esteem driving the ego. i’ve definitely been the dirty driver, but what i’ve found is there’s real inner peace in staying calm and not retaliating if slighted on the course. and more importantly, keeping in mind that if someone is getting the faster line, let em pass cleanly. there’s a real sense of accomplishment in not being a jerk.
I think you may be over analyzing it. Some people are just idiots and don't care about their ratings and enjoy pissing people off.
Blows my mind how these people get away with it then blame the victim lol but how’s the miss on the revenge punt 🤣
Keep up the great work ❤️
The payback victory donuts…legend🤣😂
The problem is the useless penalty system - I constantly get rammed and hit and no one gets any penalty - then for one race I have to leave before ending and I go from S to A… what? Really really frustrating
I get penalties for ignoring track limits when I’m the one getting rammed off the road lol
This is the best Karma I have ever seen I should be in the books with how great it was
Between it's garbage career mode and the dirty online driving, this game has become a total waste of time to play.
I've had that, worse done to me, heaps of times. Rammed into walls, run off the track, T boned, the list goes on.......
A very lenient penalty system, and very forgiving damage model and no report system makes it feel like PD are just lazy. If the penalties were stiffer, the damage stayed longer (i.e for entire laps), and there was a report system like in gt sport it may not stop all instances of people taking other drivers out it would certainly cut it down and help weed out the repeat offenders.
Agreed,
The problem with increasing the damage it screws up the innocent parties more too.
@@chrisis6 but they are already being screwed with to begin with cos the risk and reward is so minimal that it is worth it to a offender to keep doing it. If the reward is no longer there and the punishment severe then where is the incentive to keep doing it. At that point the person is clearly being a douche and should be easier to ban if the report system was available. It wouldn't stop 100% of offending but it will cut it down significantly that itll make racing more about actual skill and race craft then about who are the people that will punt you
Is that "pink pig" Porsche socks? 😄👏👏
at 12:05 that was a straight up Fatality!
The absolute hardest wall collision ive ever seen....GT7 or real life.
That my friend was an helluva IMPACT! Just know that it was instant...there was no suffering, no pain. Whew that was head on too...and had to be over 150mph? It look like it much much faster! The question is...what on Gods green earth happened to cause such a brutal accident??! Someone needs to get to the bottom of this. That might just have been a criminal act .... caught on cam by accident. Somebody need to be LOCKED UP!!!
Man the way people are driving these days they wanna do more than take you out of a gt7 race...they wanna take you out of da human race!
("Take a MOFO out of a GT7 Race and The Human Race who be trying
to Pass my Ass...In ONE DAY....FTW BRO!")
they even get 2 Grid Girls for an Hour if completed! 😂
but yeah back to that Wall Slam! geeeez so quick and far behind you
woulda easy to miss.
Bitches be Crazaa!!
this is why i don't play gran turismo daily race
😂😂 that was entertaining 👍🏼
Looked like that guy was pissed the Silvia was faster than the skyline and possibly a little immature as well lol 😂
It’s good to see they don’t bother you. Laughing about it is definitely better than giving them “free rent” in your head. The bloke in the skyline would’ve been RAGING 😂…you living rent free over there 😂
I bugs me how he’s constantly just letting and accepting people bullying him.
Fair enough don’t start the fight, but once you’re in a fight why not fight back?
It just baffles me how he realizes that someone is a threat but insists on acting oblivious until he’s victimized.
It’s frustrating how he has absolutely no concept of self defense 🤦🏾♂️
Self defense is essentially illegal in the UK.
I have given up on daily races! I'm not bothered about lobby lag, connection issues or server issues. The players on gt7 are the worst for years
bro was a true villain, he completed his magna opus
Great attitude Rory! Love how you just laugh it off and find it entertaining 😂
I’ve had the same with that exact driver! 😤
I’ve noticed that a lot of slower drivers are doing this to increase their drivers rating. They divebomb, I undercut, then they ram me next corner. Then when I catch up to them from 3-4 seconds back, they let me pass, then line up behind me and ram me. Sometimes I pass people three times in one race. Final lap, everything gets crazy!
That may work to a point. Generally it's incredibly difficult to maintain A+ without driving clean most of the time. Cleaner really is faster. More often than not, the driver who punted past me ends up finishing behind me. That's why my tag line when entering lobbies is "The best revenge is a clean pass".
That Bonneville out of order there to, there is a way of dealing with this behaviour. That was not the answer
I think there is another issue that no one ever seems to mention which is the domino effect in crashes. I raced last night and was taken out by a revenger because someone else piled into me, causing me to pile into them. Wouldn’t it be nice if it named the person responsible when s penalty is levied against them rather than the current state of play where you literally have to go through replays if you really want to see who is to blame.
So, I've been racing in Sport mode for 2-3 months. Currently have A DR (S SR), and drive maybe an hour or two each week. I have been in multiple races with this particular driver, and even though I've never raced close to him, in almost every race I've seen comments from other drivers (both pre- and post-race!) about his dirty driving... Even had two races with the legend KIMI, same story there :)
I’ve recently moved up from D rating to C and have found that the driving standards are worse racing against C and B rated drivers.
This is my biggest issue with GT7 and why I stopped playing online for quite a while. He can do all of that and get no penalty, meanwhile a guy who just gets caught up in it all gets a penalty.
The penalties in GT7 are a complete joke.
This is why I don't do a lot of online. I would have raged and spent the rest of my race making sure he went nowhere.
He as HUNGRY for a fight. 😂😂😂
I’ve met children with more control of their temper than a lot of the idiots I get grouped with in daily races.
i SAW THE ai CHEATING, 65,000 hp, MAKING Black clouds of smoke, "Computer AttaCk", the car would turn into a boat and I'd be in a new shit problem.
You attempted to pass him, that's what you did wrong. Some people just can't take it.
These videos just ķeep coming thought we wasin holiday
....
Side note i think its because its summer and kids are playing online, may be fast just not undercontrol, cure Parent send the kids out side
Spectacular accident in that first race. I also couldn't wait for the replay, didn't think cars could fly! Karma to the rescue in the second race. The penalty system needs looking at by PD.
You wanna try being in the races i've been in they are full of people like this.i raced a few races in daily race c today i went from B/B to D/E purely because i kept getting hit and got pushed into others which gave me penalties.annoys me that people deliberately ruin your race.
First lap always chaos
There are 2 groups of drivers; those who are fast and pass others on the way to victory, and those who are slow and bump and cheat their way to a fake illusion of victory (losers).
Race C in BS grade has been superb sportsmanship tonight. No TH-camrs to get their raved minute of fame in B Class races.
You flew 20ft plus up in air.😮😢😂💙💛💚
This penalty system is a joke! I got taken out from behind despite no prior contact with anyone and I ended up getting a 1.5 second penalty!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Bonnieval doing the lords work 🤣🤣👏🏻
12:04 that's glorious
You’re such a good sport mate. I like how you just laugh off the toxic players instead of getting heated. 🏁
Gran Turismo 7 will go down in history as the game that killed the franchise..... There is a blog right now with THOUSANDS complaining about this. Every other youtube video is talking about this, hell I've done one myself. It's not like they don't know or realize this. What they are telling us is "FUCK OFF ... all we care about is the money." ...... I brought this thing DAY 1 .... been regretting that decision ever since, but one thing is for damn sure .... I won't buy another one.
And most have an S rating b/c garbage driving isn't held accountable. If your car makes contact with the car in front of you ,that should be a 20 second penalty. Then the bs stops.
That was fun to watch though... Unfortunately that's pretty much the routine in B lobbies... Another new trend I've noticed of late, is just people staying on the brakes in corners, so you bump into them and get a penalty...
I'm here for the feet!
It's the very reason why I stopped playing
Bro i really admire your calmness and sense of humor 😃😃
Rory you’re a better man than most being able to laugh at this.
Enjoy your holiday man
I have real issues to deal with, like trying to work out Blues Clues or trying to thwart Mayor Humdinger's mischievous plans (if you know, you know!)
I hate how you get a good run on them and they can easily rub you off the road and you can lose multiple positions and they dont get any penalty. This sort of driving needs a SR drop and then they can go race in their own lobbys together. Just annoying because if it were real life lives would be lost, also ruining other peoples races.
Incidents are one thing but when it is deliberate, just disgusting
this is literally every US region race. i rarely even play GT7 anymore.
Sick donuts though, wish I knew how
Can't believe I'm in a Rory video on my alt account. 😂
I haven't seen your stream in a few days... its getting to me... I now lean when I walk around corners...
I'm so bloody glad I cannot experience this bad driving in the States
As long as you place you car on another then spin them out you dont get a penalty. Its only penalizing if its a one hit crash. So weird
I see nothing has changed with Gran Turismo.
Reasons why i stopped online races months ago! this game doesnt penalize dirty bad drivers it almost rewards them in a sense! its ridicoulus that you can intentionally crash everyone and still catch a podium!
Why did the ghost system NOT activate as soon as he went off track? Absolutely rodiculous that this was allowed
The result of that first carnage plus the unreal penalty needs to be a short. Titled, the Improved Penalty System working to its potential
Should be a way to kick drivers who pull these kind of unsportsmanlike moves! Had many a race ruined by people pulling up alongside and ramming me off. Polyphony needs to do better!
That's A and A+ drivers. Imagine the lower classes
reason why i stoped playing gt7 as once i got rear ended which sended me into a car afront of me into a barier where i got rear ended again and again hit the car ahead of me which resulted me geting 19 sec penalty and my safety ranking went from S to D so yeah
I took an enforced break from GT7 for a month in May (for some reason they seem to think the DeWalt power tools logo is offensive and banned me for uploading it).
I came back on 28th and was hoping that things had gotten better with driving standards, but they are worse.
This weeks B&C races are just full of people who think racing is a contact sport.
Hell, just had a race at Interlagos where the guy I was fighting with hit me multiple times and was weaving when he got in front, and on lap 5 he got the first turn wrong and almost came to a dead stop which caused me to contact with him. Of course I was the idiot, despite his constant contact before that and the fact his bad braking caught me out.
7 seconds penalty, NO! 3 day suspension!
Had the same while playing this race earlier, terrible penalty system poor sportsmanship from a lot of other player at the minute. Still have some great clean races though.
Daily races ,literally banger race
That was so funny mate what’s up with these doughnuts?
I don't know how GT Sport works but that's a slam dunk ban in iRacing
Until contact has realistic and cumulative effects, and can result in race ending damage, the ramming will continue. Make the Sim realistic with contact, then see contact reduce. No self repair in lobbies.
Why I do not participate in Sport. The penalty system is terrible and the dirty drivers. I am of the belief that these issues can be addressed easily. Put realistic damage on the cars, including terminal damage, then people's driving will improve dramatically. Make a point system that that rewards you for finishing a race, and ad race suspensions for blatantly wrecking other drivers, just as they would in real world
Stragglers is another word to describe what you were trying to say 😁
That guy was on a mission to just ruin people's ratings. Second race, he thought he'd try but rrage consumed him, haha!
good thing you can laugh at this; wish i was able to keep my cool in those situations... i tend to just quit the race/server if it happens too often... those types of drivers just ruin it for everyone