You are so generous to take the time and share this. Your attention to detail is 5 star and most people who don’t like to measure twice and cut once will not appreciate it as much as those of us who do. Your work is inspirational! Keep up the great work !!
You’d swear your building a church piano! I doubt there are many smoker builders out there that go through so much trouble to get everything perfect. I love the attention to detail!
Great video, and the level of detail in your description is very much appreciated. I highly respect any builder that takes enough pride in their work to do it the right way. Thanks for all the work you put into making these videos. I’ve learned so much from them that I think I’m ready to start one of these projects.
Your content have been invaluable to my build sir. Your level of craftsmanship is unmatched. Thank you for putting these videos up. Have a merry Christmas sir. My family will enjoy this smoker for years to come and I have great pride knowing I built it myself with your help. It’s the first thing like this I have built and I have put your knowledge to work making myself look smarter then I am. Lol my friends are amazed at my problem solving abilities. Lol I just recently let them in on your videos. They thought I really knew my stuff. Lol
That's hilarious!!!! Thanks for sharing that. I'm so glad you got something from the build series. Its these comments that make it worth the added trouble.
WOW AWESOME video and the details you talk about makes me super excited to start my next smoker. It’ll be my second build something smaller than my 500 smoker. I can’t wait to see your other video I know it’ll help me out so much. My oldest son will be helping me as he’s learning how to weld in school
Great video! thanks so much!! You have a great balance for sharing the perfect way to do something while also understanding what might be "good enough" for those of us just starting out!
Thanks for another great great “how to video”. I really appreciate your total attention to detail. Also like your rotisserie, jib crane and clean shop. Keep up the great work. Your videos are helping a lot of people 48:27
I really like your series, by far the most detailed and best explained. And as you, I share the aim for perfection. Sometimes 5 minutes more of work and measuring will give you years of satisfaction, an easy trade off. My wish is to build my own smoker soon (I am based in Spain) but I have no welding experience whatsoever. Your videos give me the confidence to give it a try. 👍🏼
The welding skills needed to build a smoker are almost a non issue. Today's mig welders are so easy to use and achieve results that far exceed what's needed for our purposes that its not something to worry about at all. I'd buy a good quality welder and watch some mig tutorials on TH-cam. Welding with a mig is one of those skills that you can achieve "good results" with very little practical experience. You can achieve "very good results" with a good bit of experience. However, achieving those beautifully laid out beads of a professional welder takes years of skill building. Fortunately for us. That level of performance is not necessary with cookers.
I opt for a reverse flow offset smoker joining my firebox about 3" lower than my grates in plan of a water tray below the grates. Been happy with it for 8 years now. Good luck on your endeavors!
Yeah I've built my share if RFs. They have advantages and disadvantages. My personal favorite is the 330g direct flow. I enjoy the firebox management requirements of a DF although it can get tiresome on long cooks. I think the added smoke exposure benefits of a DF are worth the added work. In addition, DF cookers are easier to clean. I've seen far too many mice and even large rats nesting hidden under baffle plates. However, there's no denying it is far easier to run a RF.
i have to say, you are a great teacher, taking time to explain details, and as far as videos, you do great, lol yes many do make videos of grass growing
Man you can tell that this is not your first bbq pit you have made. Great tips as always. If i wasn't looking forward to making my own 250 I would definitely buy one of yours!!!
@@perrybrooks5535 Lol. There are plenty in stock of each item. You can save money buying directly from me. Just reach out at mysticsmokers@gmail.com or Facebook messenger.
I don't really have any really problems converting old measurements to centimeters... but sometimes I get so tired of Americans not being able to use sensible units. But I must say, a fantastic educational video.
I'm right there with you. It's ridiculous that we are still dealing with this imperial bs. . Machine work is far easier and more precise using the metric system. Sadly, the citizens of this country can't even count election ballets. You can't expect them to count millimeters.
I don't know if you'd mind me saying but a head mounted camera like a go pro would send these videos over the top, for the viewer being able to see what your doing while is such an helps so much more than you'd think...these videos are truly amazing and informative by the way good work sir.
I have since found a better way: Tack a piece of flat bar to the inside floor of the collector going up about 5ft. Raise the laser tripod high enough to shoot down the top center line of the tank. Mark the laser line on the tall flat bar. Lower the laser to working level and line up the flat bar mark with the vertical center mark on the tank end cap. The new laser has a plumb Bob light hitting the ground. Put a piece of tape on the floor and mark an X on it with a sharpie. As long as I don't move the build table, I can locate that position in seconds. Otherwise, its easy to line the flat bar with tank end cap just like sights on a rifle. EASY PEASY!!! I'll put a photo on my Facebook profile.
Another great video. I did come to the realization that i don't have the capabilities, equipment, or patience to build my smoker this perfect. Hopefully i can just get it close.
Your rotisserie stands paired with your overhead crane make a great set up. These wont be an option for me but the video still helped me to get a better idea of how to go about joining the firebox.
@biscuitrider1 that's a very good point. You don't need the full-blown table like mine. You can simply lay out two 8x8s about 4ft long and put cheap casters on them. Join the 8x8s with 2x4s on the outside to keep things from shifting. That will allow you to at least spin the tank. An engine hoist is sufficient. That's what I did in the early days. I built several cookers thay way.
If you continue to build smokers, a Dewalt/Bosch vertical/Horizontal line lazer would make your job a hell of a whole lot easier. I use them all the time in my profession. No more plumb bobs, shortens your labor time witch equals money
Yeah, my little old laser is outdated for sure. I need to get one of those. I just haven't shopped for the best option yet. I didn't show it in this video but I have a very nice pipe center mark tool. I actually use it far more than the laser and I use it to check my laser 12 o'clock line. Its a far more accurate method but it takes more practice to get the layout done quickly. The center mark too method to get that linel is extremely accurate where the laser method can cause some problems. I debated even showing the laser in this video series since its very easy to introduce errors if you dont understand the geometry. Getting your tank precisely level is so important to get accurate results with the laser. Hopefully, I drove that point home. The tiniest error in tank level can throw you off a good bit. Of course the machine will self level to perfect. The only point where I find the laser truly the "best tool" is marking the head center lines. Reaching around that corner is tough with anything else. Perhaps I'll do a quick video showing the two methods and the pros and cons of both from my perspective. I should have a new laser in a couple of weeks since mine is having switch issues. Thanks watching and the input.
You vediis are top notch as far as the detail you go into on how to do things good job say ive been watching and learning and I'm about to start by 250 gal one of your videos you filled the tank with soap water and took it for a ride then drilled a hole after that hole is in there do you start making cuts on the empty tank? I want to make sure I do the first cut rite for obvious reasons and the way my tank is designed the valves and openings are on the end cap so unless you stand it vertically you can not get it 100% full of water.
Those tanks can be a pain to clean out, but they sure are nice otherwise. Just stand that bugger up fill er up. You want the water to push all possible remaining has out. If it overflows at the top, you've done that. Be very careful.. that's a lot of wgt.
@@mysticsmokers3014 Thanks that is what ill do and just cut the door i hate to do that but its the best way i see to open the tank up. You do really nice detailed work on your pits and explaining and are appriciated. Also im a pipeline welder/ fabricator and have learned a lot.
I am building a 500 gallon smoker and i have enjoyed watching this build. Your attention to detail is awesome. What do you charge to build a firebox by chance
It really depends on the tank shape and diameter. I run 24"×31" round fireboxes on 250 and 330 gallon systems.. both of those systems utilize a 30 inch diameter tank. If your 300 has similar parameters, that size is very easy to manipulate splits while facilitating great flow. The trick is finding good 24 inch pipe.. i much prefer round fireboxes.
I finally purchased my propane deposit, a 500 gallon. Probably too big for a first time build, but this is what I could get my hands on here in Spain. It is bigger in diameter and shorter than de ones I see on your videos proportion wise. Nevertheless, the steel is ⅜ of an inch and in great condition. My question is where to join the (insulated) firebox. Should it be on the centre line or below. And if below, how much? Is there like a formula? Thanks so much and I really appreciate your channel. Without any doubt, the best on smoker building. Greetings from Spain
I apologize if you explained this in the video, but can you explain the benefit of leaving the lip on the top firebox extending into the cook chamber instead of cutting it off at the weld line? Your video is excellent!
Great question. I do explain that in the grate video where we can see that. In editing now. The hot air leaving the cook chamber wants to shoot immediately to the cc ceiling after leaving the firebox. Leaving this area in tact forces that air to stay down a bit longer allowing the superheated gass streams and cool air a bit longer to blend. Otherwise, the superheated gas streams climb tank cap wall and run the ceiling while the regular hot gasses take a less dramatic flow. I've been experimenting with various size and patterns of holes in that pipe area to measure effect. So far, I can see no effect at all. These small changes are very difficult to quantify given the variables between cooks. Even small differences in ambient humidity can change fire management for a cook. Im gonna use my plexiglass door window to make some real-time observations on this next cooker. I'm also trying a wedge shaped diverter to tack weld or bolt to the under side of that lip area. The hope is to push those gas streams out of their focused stream and give a wider flow entering the cc. I will likely bolt it in place to try various configurations. Ill make a video of that. The fun part of this process is the experimentation. Although most ventures bring me crashing right back to my basic cooker, sometimes, an idea pans out and it's effects can be easily proven. There are too many guys out there that swear by their ideas or new gadgets. Sadly, very few can be teated side by side with an otherwise identical cooker. This is where I have an advantage. I build the same proven cooker over and over. Small changes are easily proven beneficial, not beneficial or indifferent.
Hello...me again, Chrétien from Spain. The building of the 500gallon regular offset is going smoothly. I am now at the point of joining the insulated firebox (1000x1000x1000mm outside dimensions and 900x900x900 inside dimension) to yhe cook chamber. I have the opening space figured out, but I am struggling with at what height the opening of the fb should be? Is this gratelevel (as the opening for the smoke collector), below gratelevel...as low as possible. Thanks for helping me out. Have a great day and merry Christmas
The throat opening of the firebox to the cc should be at least three inches below grate level. A 500 can even tolerate more than that. I wouldn't worry about 4 or 5 inches. An important factor to keep in mind is full door extension height. Dropping the fb too much raises that height which can get dangerous. Trailer ground clearance is another consideration.
Do you have any videos with a square box? What is your opinion on them? I am going to use a square box so I can have a table inside or my water pan. I will also put a small tube coming out of the top of the main chamber as a refill port
No sir. As long as I have a source for good pipe, I'll build round fireboxes. They are significantly more efficient at directing the hot gas flow. I'm not a fan of water pans either. After years of using them, I could see very little benefit aside from deflection of the hot gas streams. Ultimately, I just let hot gasses have the far right side of the cooker. Those gasses will Ultimately go to ceiling no matter what you do.
Personally, I always build the doors first. If a tank flexes too much upon cutting the doors loose, I dont want to have all that time invested in a junk tank. In addition, it's nice to be able to reach inside.
Is the throat size just the difference between where the firebox and tank meet? I've seen where some builders calculate the size of the throat and it may be smaller that where the tank and FB meet.
Yes. The opening between the fb and the cc is the throat. I make that opening as large as it can be for the given components. I want minimal air obstructions and maximum flow. I control airflow with the fb door to achieve a maximum burn for the fire in the firebox. The question then is always, "how do I keep from overheating the cook chamber?" The answer is simple, build a smaller fire. I "tune" my splits to match the general desired temperature range for a particular cooker. I use a two-split rotation and get in a rhythm of changing two splits out at a time every 20 minutes or so. That way, fire is always running super clean. Minit adjustments in temp can managed by the door opening. To reduce temperature, you open the door to allow more cool air to enter the cool chamber. Of course this cook method requires a great deal more effort and attention to detail in fuel preparation than most guys are willing or capable of doing. However, in my opinion, it is by far the most critical element of the cook and sadly the least understood. Proper split preparation will eliminate many variables throughout the cook and make your job so much easier. I will do a firebox management video as the last episode of this particular build series.
@@mysticsmokers3014 Appreciate the detailed response. I built a 60 gallon a couple of years ago, but just picked up a 250 for another build. You fire management method sounds a lot like what I do with my 60 gallon. I’m sure the splits are larger with the 250. Really appreciate all of the detail and knowledge in this series. Even though I’ve already built one there’s still tons to learn
The reverse flow cooker is a variant design to make firebox management more forgiving and allow the operator to more easily maintain cook chamber temperatures. Every improvement comes with at a cost. In this case, the cost is food flavor. Two issues contribute to this. First is reduced smoke exposure because a good percentage of the cooking heat is convective heat from the baffle plate. The remaining cooking heat is from the hot air/smoke. Secondly, the scortched grease taste and smell. Since the plate near the firebox is so hot, it scortches the dripping grease. Many guys like that taste while others do not. Once one learns proper firebox management, running a direct flow is quite easy. The fantastic flavor from a direct flow can not be beaten.
Good video but 1 critique, Why not use a piece of 3x3 angle iron layed down on top of the bigger pipe on its 2 legs. Extend it out over the of the small pipe to check the alignment?
I'm always looking for better ways to do things. However, I'm having a hard time visualizing what you're describing. Do you mean instead of my 1 inch pipe? Hang a string from the angle?
Yes John. I use tanks from the 1950s and 60s. They are the best metal alloys and thicker material. That is a huge benefit. Of course, the tank has been professionally sandblasted inside and out.
love your work boss. was wondering. why don't you use a laser level instead of ye olde plumb bob? love that you take time out for your furry children too
That's a great question. I do actually use a self leveling laser for this nowadays. It's far easier, as you know. I got a new laser just after that video. I really should edit and replace the video with the new process. There are some errors that a laser can introduce. It would be a good video to explain those as well. You've given me a good idea!!!! Thanks
Your video's are good but, a reverse smoker does cook more even across the whole grates. All that requires is a baffle and stack on firebox side. Why not ? Saves a lot of figuring out hot spot and losing grate space.
I build a lot of reverse flow cookers. RFs were in fact introduced to provide a more even cooking experience and easier firebox management. Like everything else in life, benefits come with costs. Both types of offset cookers (Direct and Reverse flow), have pros and cons.
Very long winded....You're building a smoker not a grand piano. You must have been a machinist in your prior life. Good video overall. I would have thought that the level and a square would have done the same thing. Keep on building!!!!
@@edwardtaylor8208 I would recommend you hit "stop" and skip to the next content maker. There are plenty of guys doing videos. I'm sorry my style isn't a good match for you.
@mysticsmokers3014 No, you took it the wrong way, sir. I was just making a joke about tacing. I said the smoker and your design is nice. It was taking you a little longer with a plum bob. I was thinking, If you had a lazor, it would've been quicker. But I realize you were making a video. Don't take it personally. I know a lot about welding and fitting, I'm 6g certified on pipe. I said you were very good.
Like I said in the video, it's certainly not required. I've seen some "Frankenstein looking" cookers turn out some great BBQ. However, if you have the ability to do something right, why not do it right? I feel that the fit and finish of a cooker says a lot about the builder. I wouldn't expect everyone who watches the videos to take the time and effort that I do in their builds, but it never hurts to understand how to create something that's just a bit better.
You need to understand two things: 1. Not everyone has the level of understanding that you do. Many of the builders out there are using a welder for the first time. Their fabrication experience is non-existent. Seeing and understanding these build techniques may help them make a better level of cooker; not the basic "cut and weld" cooker that too many guys are outting out there. 2. There's a skip button if it gets too slow for you. There are plenty of guys out there creating content. I'm sorry my style isn't a good fit for you. Despite the level of explanation, I still get plenty of questions to explain certain areas in greater detail. Thanks for the input. I'll keep it in mind.
Thanks for the comment. Let's look at this assumption and my logic for the placement. At 31 inches long, the superheated gas streams have a good distance/opportunity to blend with the hot gasses. This minimizes the scortching from those streams. In addition the tall rear wall on the 24" pipe blocks most of the radiation from the fire itself reducing thst effect. At 3 inches down, from grate level, we reach a goog compromise between ground clearance, cooker overall height and grate distance. Dropping that level two inches would have tremendous effects on ground clearance and overall height with minimum effect on grate distance. Those superheated gas streams are going to shoot to the ceiling immediately after leaving the firebox. That is typically contained in the first 8 to 12 inches. That's the nature of direct flow. A reverse flow addresses this issue but comes with it own costs for that benefit. I've built and run this exact cooker many, many times with slight variations for effect. 3 inches is my favorite for the 24x31x3/8 in a 250g system. Again, thanks for the input. Further dialog is welcomed.
Dude you've been talking about where you've decided to mount this thing and why for 7 minutes. It should've taken about 45 seconds. It's getting painful. I want to go run my head through a block wall. I'm going to press play and if you keep talking about centerlines and how you are going to hang the damned fire box I am going to come unglued.
Perhaps, this series isn't for you. We all see and learn things differently. I'm sorry you don't like my approach. Please don't come unglued. The safer solution is to hit "stop" and move on to another content creator. Thanks for the mental image though. 🤔
@@mysticsmokers3014 We get it, we understand why the long explanation. But try cutting the explanations down just a little. You'll find that in future videos (If you become monetized) you'll get more viewers. And try breaking the videos down into 12-15 minutes segments. (Example part 1,2,3) And then do a wrap up video where you can go into a 20 min explanation of the tricks tactics you used. You'll gain more viewers using this method. Btw, I think I'd have added a door, Or a way to control the amount of heat going into the cooker from your fire box. But hey, What do I know. We built a square box cooker with a different approach on the fire box. Good luck Sir.
WOW AWESOME video and the details you talk about makes me super excited to start my next smoker. It’ll be my second build something smaller than my 500 smoker. I can’t wait to see your other video I know it’ll help me out so much. My oldest son will be helping me as he’s learning how to weld in school
Thank you so much. Its great to hear that guys are finding the videos informative. Building confidence and passing on lessons learned is what its all about.
You are so generous to take the time and share this.
Your attention to detail is 5 star and most people who don’t like to measure twice and cut once will not appreciate it as much as those of us who do.
Your work is inspirational!
Keep up the great work !!
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you found the videos worthwhile.
You’d swear your building a church piano! I doubt there are many smoker builders out there that go through so much trouble to get everything perfect. I love the attention to detail!
Great video, and the level of detail in your description is very much appreciated. I highly respect any builder that takes enough pride in their work to do it the right way. Thanks for all the work you put into making these videos. I’ve learned so much from them that I think I’m ready to start one of these projects.
Thank you for the kind words. It's great to hear that you got something from the series. Don't hesitate to reach out if I can help in any way.
How much does that cost , i am in need of one
Your content have been invaluable to my build sir. Your level of craftsmanship is unmatched. Thank you for putting these videos up. Have a merry Christmas sir. My family will enjoy this smoker for years to come and I have great pride knowing I built it myself with your help. It’s the first thing like this I have built and I have put your knowledge to work making myself look smarter then I am. Lol my friends are amazed at my problem solving abilities. Lol I just recently let them in on your videos. They thought I really knew my stuff. Lol
That's hilarious!!!! Thanks for sharing that. I'm so glad you got something from the build series. Its these comments that make it worth the added trouble.
Thanks Mike for all your knowledge. Looking forward to more videos in the future.
WOW AWESOME video and the details you talk about makes me super excited to start my next smoker. It’ll be my second build something smaller than my 500 smoker. I can’t wait to see your other video I know it’ll help me out so much. My oldest son will be helping me as he’s learning how to weld in school
Great video! thanks so much!! You have a great balance for sharing the perfect way to do something while also understanding what might be "good enough" for those of us just starting out!
That's great to hear. Thank you for the feedback. Don't hesitate to reach out if I can help in any way.
Super video, I watched every second! Thanks for sharing your process, Mike!
Wow, you sure could complicate a rock fight! Your attention to detail is amazing.
Thanks for another great great “how to video”. I really appreciate your total attention to detail. Also like your rotisserie, jib crane and clean shop. Keep up the great work. Your videos are helping a lot of people
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Thank you so much for the kind words.
I really like your series, by far the most detailed and best explained. And as you, I share the aim for perfection. Sometimes 5 minutes more of work and measuring will give you years of satisfaction, an easy trade off.
My wish is to build my own smoker soon (I am based in Spain) but I have no welding experience whatsoever. Your videos give me the confidence to give it a try. 👍🏼
The welding skills needed to build a smoker are almost a non issue. Today's mig welders are so easy to use and achieve results that far exceed what's needed for our purposes that its not something to worry about at all.
I'd buy a good quality welder and watch some mig tutorials on TH-cam.
Welding with a mig is one of those skills that you can achieve "good results" with very little practical experience. You can achieve "very good results" with a good bit of experience. However, achieving those beautifully laid out beads of a professional welder takes years of skill building.
Fortunately for us. That level of performance is not necessary with cookers.
Same here👍
Nice to see someone that takes pride in his work. And willing to teach others the tricks he has learned.
Thanks buddy!!!
You are awesome for a teacher to us. So glad I found your videos!
Thank you so much!
Let me know if there topics guys might like to see..
Love your clean shop and excellent communication. Subscribed👍
Thanks!!! That goes a long way.
Hey thanks for sharing, I am a custom builder in south Louisiana and this was very informative.
Thanks for the kind words! Have you seen the door band roller video yet? A lot of builders are getting those and hardware.
Awesome instructional video sir. Thank You
Thanks for showing this build
Absolutely!!
I opt for a reverse flow offset smoker joining my firebox about 3" lower than my grates in plan of a water tray below the grates. Been happy with it for 8 years now. Good luck on your endeavors!
Yeah I've built my share if RFs. They have advantages and disadvantages. My personal favorite is the 330g direct flow. I enjoy the firebox management requirements of a DF although it can get tiresome on long cooks. I think the added smoke exposure benefits of a DF are worth the added work.
In addition, DF cookers are easier to clean. I've seen far too many mice and even large rats nesting hidden under baffle plates.
However, there's no denying it is far easier to run a RF.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it's great!
Thanks buddy!
Very good job patience is a virtue nice clean work love this style smoker
Thank you so much!!!
Great detailed video! I also love the dog skin rug!
i have to say, you are a great teacher, taking time to explain details, and as far as videos, you do great, lol yes many do make videos of grass growing
Thanks so much 😊
Enjoy watching your videos thank You for sharing your video
Great video, love your jig set up... taking notes here.
Good deal!!!! Thanks for watching. Don't hesitate to reach out if I can help with anything.
Merry Christmas, Jeff to you and all your family
Thanks buddy!!!
You too.
Nice tutorial! Thanks for sharing. 👍😁🔥
Thanks!!@
Man you can tell that this is not your first bbq pit you have made. Great tips as always. If i wasn't looking forward to making my own 250 I would definitely buy one of yours!!!
Lol. Be sure to check out the mysticsmokers.com hardware for your build. Maybe, I can still make a sale. Lol.
@@mysticsmokers3014 I was eyeballing your hinges on the fire box and chamber door vids lol
@@perrybrooks5535 Lol. There are plenty in stock of each item. You can save money buying directly from me. Just reach out at mysticsmokers@gmail.com or Facebook messenger.
Awesome Video. looks awesome.
Same way I mark mine firebox cut! Good work
GREAT VIDEO AND DETAIL IN ALL AREAS!
Thanks buddy!
THE BEST VIDEOS IVE EVER SEEN.THANK YOU
Thank you for the lond words!
Don't hesitate to reach out through the mysticsmokers.com website if I can help in any way.
I don't really have any really problems converting old measurements to centimeters... but sometimes I get so tired of Americans not being able to use sensible units. But I must say, a fantastic educational video.
I'm right there with you.
It's ridiculous that we are still dealing with this imperial bs. .
Machine work is far easier and more precise using the metric system.
Sadly, the citizens of this country can't even count election ballets. You can't expect them to count millimeters.
Hahaha point .. you got my love and my prenumerera (in Swedish)
You obviously have a background in pipe welding. Very nice job sir
Very helpful video. Thanks for the contect
Learning alot from this man he is an asset to the youtube world,THANK YOU SIR........................................Fort Worth,Tx
Thank you so much for the kind words. Let me know if there are topics you'd like to see on future episodes.
I don't know if you'd mind me saying but a head mounted camera like a go pro would send these videos over the top, for the viewer being able to see what your doing while is such an helps so much more than you'd think...these videos are truly amazing and informative by the way good work sir.
Ill look into that. Thanks for the tip. You just may see that soon.
Strike a center line on the floor, and line up the front and back... I use a clear coat spray over the chalk line so it doesn't rub off.
I have since found a better way:
Tack a piece of flat bar to the inside floor of the collector going up about 5ft.
Raise the laser tripod high enough to shoot down the top center line of the tank.
Mark the laser line on the tall flat bar.
Lower the laser to working level and line up the flat bar mark with the vertical center mark on the tank end cap.
The new laser has a plumb Bob light hitting the ground.
Put a piece of tape on the floor and mark an X on it with a sharpie.
As long as I don't move the build table, I can locate that position in seconds. Otherwise, its easy to line the flat bar with tank end cap just like sights on a rifle. EASY PEASY!!!
I'll put a photo on my Facebook profile.
Another great video. I did come to the realization that i don't have the capabilities, equipment, or patience to build my smoker this perfect. Hopefully i can just get it close.
I'm available for any help I can give.
Don't hesitate to reach out via mysticsmokers@gmail.com and I'll give a phone number if needed.
Your rotisserie stands paired with your overhead crane make a great set up. These wont be an option for me but the video still helped me to get a better idea of how to go about joining the firebox.
@biscuitrider1 that's a very good point.
You don't need the full-blown table like mine.
You can simply lay out two 8x8s about 4ft long and put cheap casters on them. Join the 8x8s with 2x4s on the outside to keep things from shifting. That will allow you to at least spin the tank.
An engine hoist is sufficient.
That's what I did in the early days. I built several cookers thay way.
Great video great job lots of care to workmen ship
If you continue to build smokers, a Dewalt/Bosch vertical/Horizontal line lazer would make your job a hell of a whole lot easier. I use them all the time in my profession. No more plumb bobs, shortens your labor time witch equals money
Yeah, my little old laser is outdated for sure. I need to get one of those. I just haven't shopped for the best option yet.
I didn't show it in this video but I have a very nice pipe center mark tool. I actually use it far more than the laser and I use it to check my laser 12 o'clock line.
Its a far more accurate method but it takes more practice to get the layout done quickly. The center mark too method to get that linel is extremely accurate where the laser method can cause some problems.
I debated even showing the laser in this video series since its very easy to introduce errors if you dont understand the geometry. Getting your tank precisely level is so important to get accurate results with the laser.
Hopefully, I drove that point home. The tiniest error in tank level can throw you off a good bit. Of course the machine will self level to perfect.
The only point where I find the laser truly the
"best tool" is marking the head center lines. Reaching around that corner is tough with anything else.
Perhaps I'll do a quick video showing the two methods and the pros and cons of both from my perspective. I should have a new laser in a couple of weeks since mine is having switch issues.
Thanks watching and the input.
You vediis are top notch as far as the detail you go into on how to do things good job say ive been watching and learning and I'm about to start by 250 gal one of your videos you filled the tank with soap water and took it for a ride then drilled a hole after that hole is in there do you start making cuts on the empty tank? I want to make sure I do the first cut rite for obvious reasons and the way my tank is designed the valves and openings are on the end cap so unless you stand it vertically you can not get it 100% full of water.
Those tanks can be a pain to clean out, but they sure are nice otherwise.
Just stand that bugger up fill er up. You want the water to push all possible remaining has out. If it overflows at the top, you've done that.
Be very careful.. that's a lot of wgt.
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Thanks that is what ill do and just cut the door i hate to do that but its the best way i see to open the tank up. You do really nice detailed work on your pits and explaining and are appriciated. Also im a pipeline welder/ fabricator and have learned a lot.
I am building a 500 gallon smoker and i have enjoyed watching this build. Your attention to detail is awesome. What do you charge to build a firebox by chance
Please contact me at mysticsmokers@gmail.com
Very well done!! How long was your firebox on that build!
My 250g fireboxes are 24"×31"×3/8" wall thickness.
I have a 300 gal tank i am planning on Build what size fire box would you recommend your videos are truly the best detailed for these builds
It really depends on the tank shape and diameter. I run 24"×31" round fireboxes on 250 and 330 gallon systems.. both of those systems utilize a 30 inch diameter tank. If your 300 has similar parameters, that size is very easy to manipulate splits while facilitating great flow. The trick is finding good 24 inch pipe.. i much prefer round fireboxes.
I finally purchased my propane deposit, a 500 gallon. Probably too big for a first time build, but this is what I could get my hands on here in Spain. It is bigger in diameter and shorter than de ones I see on your videos proportion wise. Nevertheless, the steel is ⅜ of an inch and in great condition. My question is where to join the (insulated) firebox. Should it be on the centre line or below. And if below, how much? Is there like a formula? Thanks so much and I really appreciate your channel. Without any doubt, the best on smoker building. Greetings from Spain
I apologize if you explained this in the video, but can you explain the benefit of leaving the lip on the top firebox extending into the cook chamber instead of cutting it off at the weld line? Your video is excellent!
Great question. I do explain that in the grate video where we can see that. In editing now.
The hot air leaving the cook chamber wants to shoot immediately to the cc ceiling after leaving the firebox. Leaving this area in tact forces that air to stay down a bit longer allowing the superheated gass streams and cool air a bit longer to blend.
Otherwise, the superheated gas streams climb tank cap wall and run the ceiling while the regular hot gasses take a less dramatic flow.
I've been experimenting with various size and patterns of holes in that pipe area to measure effect. So far, I can see no effect at all. These small changes are very difficult to quantify given the variables between cooks. Even small differences in ambient humidity can change fire management for a cook.
Im gonna use my plexiglass door window to make some real-time observations on this next cooker.
I'm also trying a wedge shaped diverter to tack weld or bolt to the under side of that lip area. The hope is to push those gas streams out of their focused stream and give a wider flow entering the cc.
I will likely bolt it in place to try various configurations.
Ill make a video of that.
The fun part of this process is the experimentation. Although most ventures bring me crashing right back to my basic cooker, sometimes, an idea pans out and it's effects can be easily proven. There are too many guys out there that swear by their ideas or new gadgets. Sadly, very few can be teated side by side with an otherwise identical cooker. This is where I have an advantage. I build the same proven cooker over and over. Small changes are easily proven beneficial, not beneficial or indifferent.
Hello...me again, Chrétien from Spain. The building of the 500gallon regular offset is going smoothly. I am now at the point of joining the insulated firebox (1000x1000x1000mm outside dimensions and 900x900x900 inside dimension) to yhe cook chamber. I have the opening space figured out, but I am struggling with at what height the opening of the fb should be? Is this gratelevel (as the opening for the smoke collector), below gratelevel...as low as possible. Thanks for helping me out. Have a great day and merry Christmas
The throat opening of the firebox to the cc should be at least three inches below grate level. A 500 can even tolerate more than that. I wouldn't worry about 4 or 5 inches.
An important factor to keep in mind is full door extension height.
Dropping the fb too much raises that height which can get dangerous.
Trailer ground clearance is another consideration.
Do you have any videos with a square box? What is your opinion on them? I am going to use a square box so I can have a table inside or my water pan. I will also put a small tube coming out of the top of the main chamber as a refill port
No sir. As long as I have a source for good pipe, I'll build round fireboxes. They are significantly more efficient at directing the hot gas flow.
I'm not a fan of water pans either. After years of using them, I could see very little benefit aside from deflection of the hot gas streams.
Ultimately, I just let hot gasses have the far right side of the cooker.
Those gasses will Ultimately go to ceiling no matter what you do.
Firebox is proportional to the rest of the jig. Also, I would make that reverse flow and add $1000 to the total cost.
Why?
I put avg 55 butts 8-10 lbs on smoker and cooks pretty even.
How thick is that 250 gallon propane tank?
How do you remove the portion of the firebox instead the main cooker?
Sorry, I'm don't understand.
Do you build these kinds of smokers and sell them or is this for your own use? Just asking?
I am mysticsmokers.com.
I sell them.
My personal cooker is a 300g.
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Unless you do the door last?
Personally, I always build the doors first. If a tank flexes too much upon cutting the doors loose, I dont want to have all that time invested in a junk tank.
In addition, it's nice to be able to reach inside.
Is the throat size just the difference between where the firebox and tank meet? I've seen where some builders calculate the size of the throat and it may be smaller that where the tank and FB meet.
Yes. The opening between the fb and the cc is the throat. I make that opening as large as it can be for the given components.
I want minimal air obstructions and maximum flow. I control airflow with the fb door to achieve a maximum burn for the fire in the firebox.
The question then is always, "how do I keep from overheating the cook chamber?" The answer is simple, build a smaller fire. I "tune" my splits to match the general desired temperature range for a particular cooker. I use a two-split rotation and get in a rhythm of changing two splits out at a time every 20 minutes or so. That way, fire is always running super clean. Minit adjustments in temp can managed by the door opening. To reduce temperature, you open the door to allow more cool air to enter the cool chamber.
Of course this cook method requires a great deal more effort and attention to detail in fuel preparation than most guys are willing or capable of doing. However, in my opinion, it is by far the most critical element of the cook and sadly the least understood.
Proper split preparation will eliminate many variables throughout the cook and make your job so much easier.
I will do a firebox management video as the last episode of this particular build series.
@@mysticsmokers3014 Appreciate the detailed response. I built a 60 gallon a couple of years ago, but just picked up a 250 for another build. You fire management method sounds a lot like what I do with my 60 gallon. I’m sure the splits are larger with the 250. Really appreciate all of the detail and knowledge in this series. Even though I’ve already built one there’s still tons to learn
@@jonny1925 Good deal. Don't hesitate to reach out if I can help in any way.
Locking casters on your rotisserie
No. When I need to stay still, I put the jacks down. It's far more stable that way.
It appears to be a simpler design than the reverse flow. Why didn't you make this reverse flow? Because of size, inefficiency? Please let me know.
The reverse flow cooker is a variant design to make firebox management more forgiving and allow the operator to more easily maintain cook chamber temperatures.
Every improvement comes with at a cost. In this case, the cost is food flavor.
Two issues contribute to this. First is reduced smoke exposure because a good percentage of the cooking heat is convective heat from the baffle plate. The remaining cooking heat is from the hot air/smoke.
Secondly, the scortched grease taste and smell. Since the plate near the firebox is so hot, it scortches the dripping grease. Many guys like that taste while others do not.
Once one learns proper firebox management, running a direct flow is quite easy. The fantastic flavor from a direct flow can not be beaten.
Good video but 1 critique, Why not use a piece of 3x3 angle iron layed down on top of the bigger pipe on its 2 legs. Extend it out over the of the small pipe to check the alignment?
I'm always looking for better ways to do things. However, I'm having a hard time visualizing what you're describing.
Do you mean instead of my 1 inch pipe?
Hang a string from the angle?
@@mysticsmokers3014 yes hard to explain but easy to accomplish. I was a fitter for a long time. Your work is superb, keep it up!
Is the grill a old propane tank ?
Yes John.
I use tanks from the 1950s and 60s. They are the best metal alloys and thicker material. That is a huge benefit.
Of course, the tank has been professionally sandblasted inside and out.
Is this tubbing 304 stainless
No. Its sandblasted carbon steel.
love your work boss. was wondering. why don't you use a laser level instead of ye olde plumb bob? love that you take time out for your furry children too
That's a great question. I do actually use a self leveling laser for this nowadays.
It's far easier, as you know.
I got a new laser just after that video.
I really should edit and replace the video with the new process.
There are some errors that a laser can introduce. It would be a good video to explain those as well.
You've given me a good idea!!!! Thanks
Your video's are good but, a reverse smoker does cook more even across the whole grates. All that requires is a baffle and stack on firebox side. Why not ? Saves a lot of figuring out hot spot and losing grate space.
I build a lot of reverse flow cookers. RFs were in fact introduced to provide a more even cooking experience and easier firebox management.
Like everything else in life, benefits come with costs. Both types of offset cookers (Direct and Reverse flow), have pros and cons.
To avoid all that hassle? Why don't you just cut the door in the firebox after it's mounted...
Very long winded....You're building a smoker not a grand piano. You must have been a machinist in your prior life. Good video overall. I would have thought that the level and a square would have done the same thing. Keep on building!!!!
Tic it already sir
You lost me? What do you mean?
@mysticsmokers3014 No you good, lol you kept explaining and I was ready for you to tack it. I just was saying come on Mr fitter lol.
@mysticsmokers3014 that is a really nice smoker you got
@@edwardtaylor8208 I would recommend you hit "stop" and skip to the next content maker. There are plenty of guys doing videos. I'm sorry my style isn't a good match for you.
@mysticsmokers3014 No, you took it the wrong way, sir. I was just making a joke about tacing. I said the smoker and your design is nice. It was taking you a little longer with a plum bob. I was thinking, If you had a lazor, it would've been quicker. But I realize you were making a video. Don't take it personally. I know a lot about welding and fitting, I'm 6g certified on pipe. I said you were very good.
I'm not sure why that level of accuracy in some cases is so important, it's not a fusion reactor 😂
Like I said in the video, it's certainly not required. I've seen some "Frankenstein looking" cookers turn out some great BBQ.
However, if you have the ability to do something right, why not do it right? I feel that the fit and finish of a cooker says a lot about the builder.
I wouldn't expect everyone who watches the videos to take the time and effort that I do in their builds, but it never hurts to understand how to create something that's just a bit better.
You talk and explain too much. Thank you. Great engineering. It's like hearing myself lol.
You need to understand two things:
1. Not everyone has the level of understanding that you do. Many of the builders out there are using a welder for the first time. Their fabrication experience is non-existent. Seeing and understanding these build techniques may help them make a better level of cooker; not the basic "cut and weld" cooker that too many guys are outting out there.
2. There's a skip button if it gets too slow for you.
There are plenty of guys out there creating content. I'm sorry my style isn't a good fit for you.
Despite the level of explanation, I still get plenty of questions to explain certain areas in greater detail.
Thanks for the input. I'll keep it in mind.
Your firebox is too close. the smoker will be too hot for that side 25%.
Thanks for the comment. Let's look at this assumption and my logic for the placement.
At 31 inches long, the superheated gas streams have a good distance/opportunity to blend with the hot gasses. This minimizes the scortching from those streams.
In addition the tall rear wall on the 24" pipe blocks most of the radiation from the fire itself reducing thst effect.
At 3 inches down, from grate level, we reach a goog compromise between ground clearance, cooker overall height and grate distance.
Dropping that level two inches would have tremendous effects on ground clearance and overall height with minimum effect on grate distance.
Those superheated gas streams are going to shoot to the ceiling immediately after leaving the firebox. That is typically contained in the first 8 to 12 inches.
That's the nature of direct flow.
A reverse flow addresses this issue but comes with it own costs for that benefit.
I've built and run this exact cooker many, many times with slight variations for effect. 3 inches is my favorite for the 24x31x3/8 in a 250g system.
Again, thanks for the input. Further dialog is welcomed.
Dude you've been talking about where you've decided to mount this thing and why for 7 minutes. It should've taken about 45 seconds. It's getting painful. I want to go run my head through a block wall. I'm going to press play and if you keep talking about centerlines and how you are going to hang the damned fire box I am going to come unglued.
Perhaps, this series isn't for you. We all see and learn things differently. I'm sorry you don't like my approach.
Please don't come unglued. The safer solution is to hit "stop" and move on to another content creator.
Thanks for the mental image though. 🤔
@@mysticsmokers3014 I'm sorry man. Your video was great. I'll delete my comment.
To much talking!!!!!
My videos are not for everyone. Sorry they are not a good fit for you.
@@mysticsmokers3014 We get it, we understand why the long explanation. But try cutting the explanations down just a little. You'll find that in future videos (If you become monetized) you'll get more viewers. And try breaking the videos down into 12-15 minutes segments. (Example part 1,2,3) And then do a wrap up video where you can go into a 20 min explanation of the tricks tactics you used. You'll gain more viewers using this method. Btw, I think I'd have added a door, Or a way to control the amount of heat going into the cooker from your fire box. But hey, What do I know. We built a square box cooker with a different approach on the fire box. Good luck Sir.
Did u say plumb blob? Lol. Judy kidding, very informative thanks
Lol. Probably. You know, that's Bob's cousin. He's a real straight up guy too.
WOW AWESOME video and the details you talk about makes me super excited to start my next smoker. It’ll be my second build something smaller than my 500 smoker. I can’t wait to see your other video I know it’ll help me out so much. My oldest son will be helping me as he’s learning how to weld in school
Thank you so much.
Its great to hear that guys are finding the videos informative.
Building confidence and passing on lessons learned is what its all about.