Microlight Accident
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Not the title I've ever wanted to use, but it did happen. I wasn't going to put this up, but Graeme was 100% sure it should go up, only to hopefully help others pilots. Please take care out there and fly safe!
Graeme's okay, but did pull his shoulder. The plane is back at EOSM and being repaired slowly now.
If you stay to the end, to lighten things up a little, there's a few outtakes from our 'interview' together...
Graeme's Channel - / centreofgravityuk
Disclaimer : Nothing contained in these videos should ever be construed as instruction. These are my thoughts/insights/perception only - I am NOT a qualified instructor. Always speak to your own instructor.
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Thanks for telling the story Mike.
It certainly was a scary experience and one I hope never to go through again. Hopefully, as we said in the recording, someone will learn something from this!
Keep safe everyone!
Thanks mate, really appreciate your support and time to make this possible and worthwhile sharing
Hi Graeme, it was sad to see your machine end up in the hedge but it was good to see you tell the story. I literally had a mini flash back to Jim on my GT450 lesson telling me *don't touch the brake* I did accidentally touch it (on tarmac), and it got very squirly. Loved the bloopers at the end.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I've had that squirrely moment on tarmac during training due to over braking - just as well it was on tarmac and not grass!
Thank you Graeme and Mike for putting this together and posting it online. Glad you're OK, Graeme, and hope repairs are not too costly!
Every video like this is solid gold learning material for other pilots. I had an engine out at 400m AGL about 20 hours after passing my exam, and then an unplanned landing in a corn field 30 hours later (thermals and wind proved too much for me). Each situation like this (where we can walk away unhurt), then learn, get better, and make our future flights safer is a brilliant opportunity.
Keep flying :) Cheers from Poland.
Cheers Adam! Sounds like you've had some amazing adventures - and lived to tell the tale and learn from them - fantastic!
Hi Mike and Graeme, thank you both for posting this, it’s how we learn. Hope the damage is not too bad (expensive) and no long wait for parts. Looking forward to future videos from you both.
Thanks John, fingers crossed that it won't be too long before it's all fixed!
Glad you're ok Graeme, thanks guys for sharing this, it's made me think more about breaking hard on grass. I am looking forward to seeing more videos from you both.
Thanks Rob, definitely food for thought isn't it! I'd landed just before Graeme and probably braked harder than I really needed to, but got away with it!
Awesome video guys. I admire a person who shares their experience so that others can learn from their miss-haps. I guess it’s a WSC ground loop of sorts! Glad the pilot was ok.
Thanks, Graeme was 100% to support me upload this and I hope it helps folk.
I’m ok. Knackered my shoulder a bit, but that won’t stop me flying.
A bit late to the party here, very interesting and honest review, my instructor always discouraged brakes and light use at best, I had locked up a wheel once.... bringing the bar in on my quantum seems to stop it well and your final comment confirms this, if theres plenty of runway there roll off the energy, safe n happy flying.
Cheers! I agree, use all the runway you can! Grass can catch you out all too easily, so best to follow exactly as your instructor said!
@@InducedBank He is scottish so you may know him ! also I hope the quik is all good now and the other aside was I had it drummed into me, ' keep flying until you stop' as Had a few cross wind or wind shears from crops try and pull my wing over, cheers.
Good advice on the 'keep flying until you're stopped' - just because you're on the ground, you still have to be aware at all time of the wind relative to the wing! Happy and safe flying!
Some really good discussion there and thank you to both of you. I loved the outtakes at the end. A good light hearted way of presenting it.
thanks Giles, wasn't sure it was appropriate to add them in, hoped they'd lighten things up a little - I'm glad you enjoyed them 😀
So it dosent matter how much a professional flyer you are ...there is always more to learn..
Absolutely, important to stay humble and always be willing to learn.
Hi guys, thanks for sharing. My accident is now 6 weeks ago, and looks like a rebuild is possible. I’ll be sharing more information soon re crash, hopefully we can all help each other fly safer. Cheers.
Thanks Stewart, I hope it can be rebuilt - there is nothing quite like flying! I hope you are back in the air soon! Cheers from a very windy Scotland!
Thank you for this story, we all learn from it. Yes, wet grass can be difficult, specially if you are to hard on the brakes. I will for sure use all the runway in the future. Best regards to you both. Eysteinn Harry.
Thanks Harry, appreciate your support. So important we continue to learn where we can! All the best, Mike
I've briefly locked 'em up landing on wet grass. I guess I was lucky that didn't happen to me. Lesson learned. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers Jeff! I've only landed on grass strips a few times, will be super cautious with the brakes from now on!!
Great info 👍
I remember my instructor telling me - not to hard on the brake, dont want to skid.
This vid just reminds me of that -- thank you.
Cheers
Thanks Patrick, it's always good to remind ourselves of training lessons and the instructor guidance 👍
Yep - It's a well known hazard braking on a damp surface when landing, especially grass. I've known a few accidents that happened this way. Most result in only plane damage thankfully - as far as I know.
Avoid using the brake where poss. Disc brakes are more grippy too.
yep, all too easy to do unfortunately!
Thanks for sharing and giving others the opportunity to learn from your experience. Did the brakes get checked for any differential braking effect?
Thanks Nicholas - Hopefully Graeme can answer that, but I understand this has been looked at but isn't thought to be the case.
It’s one of the other things I’m still looking into.
Remember you've not finished a flight till the engine is off and the wheels have stopped moving
So very true! Happily the damage from that runway spin is all fixed and back in the air!
Good training video. Thanks for sharing.
Many thanks Roger!
Good steady vision, very easy to watch. Love the microlights. I am glad I am too old and have bad eyesight otherwise..... I would be into it.
Hey Brian, thank, glad you enjoyed it! Never too old to fly in one, even if eyesight would be a blocker to a licence, an experience flight might still be an option? Maybe? :)
Good video. Sorry to hear about Graeme's damaged trike.
Thanks Robert, It is a shame, but repairs are already underway :)
Has you say "if you have a long runway use it" i was always taught that by my instructor and flair all your speed off before complete touchdown ! unnecessary damage right there :(
Alas this isn't a long runway by any standard. This was more of a case of a safe and smooth touchdown, but then braking on recently mown, wet grass - even gentle braking isn't the best on grass.
While you're repairing it fit the front spring upgrade, so the trike has proper suspension on the nosewheel, used to be lots of trikes having front forks repaired, we witnessed a GT450 collapse the front end at our strip. I put a mod through to increase shock absorption and cope with two up/full fuel use. Graham Slater at Clench common hadctwo sets on successive aircraft. Modded 50+ P&M machines do far for free., you just supply the springs to the spec. MAAN2206 issue 3 approved by BMAA
That's excellent info Kevin! Really appreciated, many thanks!
It went from ". . . spot on, smooth, really good landing . . .", to, " . . . the plane decided to go off to one side . . ."
To my mind, only two things can cause this sudden change in direction of an aircraft on landing: 1. Cross-wind conditions (sudden strong gust?), and/or 2. Pilot inputs, eg over-braking on wet sideways-sloping runway surface. Perhaps you could expand on these. Thank you.
We've analysed it over and over - the wind was very gusty above 200-300 feet, but all that turbulence disappeared below that, so the approach was calm, into a light but still slightly gusty wind straight down the runway. We initially thought a gust has caused a wing to drop, but in many, many discussions we reached the conclusion it was most likely the braking. Unfortunately it wasn't caught on video, so we're relying on our own recollections. Worth mentioning the runway is lovely and flat, no slope, but it was recently mown and was damp.
Merci du partage. Mon anglais n'est pas assez bon, j'espère que le traducteur sera exprimé ma pensé. Il y a aussi une possibilité d'un blocage de frein sur une roue. Question : Avez vous diminuer l'angle d'attaque de l'aile en position négative ? cette façon de faire aide (comme un frein air) et aussi augmente le poids au pouce carré sur la surface de pneus et le sol, augmentent l'efficacité du freinage.
Le traducteur google a bien fonctionné. Merci pour votre commentaire. Il n'y avait pas de blocage réel de chaque côté, juste assez d'adhérence inégale - ou manque d'adhérence - sur l'herbe mouillée pour mettre le tricycle en vrille et combiné avec le vent saisissant l'aile, il n'était pas récupérable.
Gday from Down Under Mike n Graham , we all know the Aviators have some favourite Antidotes , one of them , usually used with a sign off is, “And keep it out of the trees” So your Answer to that should be , You didn’t Bloody mention the Hedges Mate !
Cheers Lance! Hi from a very sunny and currently very windy Scotland! Love the comment!! Will probably make use of that one soon!!
Thanks
Cheers, hope you enjoyed it!
Yeah those Gremica wheels/brakes are always grabby...especially on wet grass.
Cheers Bradley, they're good brakes, but left foot braking is a bit of an art in and of its own right!
I began microlights before the name was invented 1978 with a Pterodactyl. Since then approximately 6,000+ hours in a variety of them. I don't understand how this accident happened. The only thing I can think of is that the pilot simply applied & kept applying too much right brake? Why?
Hi Bill, wow! Fantastic to hear of your flying history! As to the cause, there is no definitive answer, other than it started with a touch of the brakes - as we don't have differential braking, unless one caliper was exerting more force than the other, there wouldn't be a significant difference - and that has been looked at and if not completely discounted, at least thought very unlikely by the aircraft inspector.
They could also go good with bush planes, Thank You, Great video. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🤔
Don't they have all the toys already 🤣 Glad you enjoyed the vid, thank you!
First runway I've seen with a big ditch and hedge running alongside. Not much room for error as the video demonstrates.
It's a great runway, really nice and smooth.
What about shock load on the engine since it went into the hedge.
It slid back pretty slowly, but no chances are being taken. Gearbox will be inspected, and if that's okay, no concerns for engine, but if gearbox damaged, engine strip required. All will be checked properly by qualified inspector 👍
On landing isn’t it bar back to use sail as a air brake
Hey Colm, not really, no. There is of course an ever decreasing air resistance as speed drops, and any effect of pulling the bar in would be negligible, but there would also be a danger of pulling in too soon if such a technique was taught, and that would be very dangerous indeed! I have tried bar forward, well into the roll out, and that offers the biggest change in the wing's angle of attack, yet at the low speeds in a roll out it has no noticeable effect at all. Better then to keep the wing neutral and concentrate on steering and braking 👍
Well its great you had your helmet on....so many fools do not think they need them..... its a very serious business.
Cheers Andy, yes, you'd be mad to not wear a helmet - not to mention, this is Scotland, so you'd also be frozen! 🤣🤣🤣
Indeed....just let it roll.
Cheers Nick!
Sorry to butt in again but just remembered, learnt on trikes without brakes so instructor taught us to haul back into you guts on the bar, it really did drop the speed rapidly, and that was on tarmac!
interesting! I do recall being advised not to try that too soon after landing as the resultant downwards force could overload the trike, but presumably once ground speed is reduced sufficiently it might be a good trick... one I will run by my original instructor!
Yes 40 years ago there were no brakes from what I remember apart from the barn door on a stick.
@@InducedBankon the overloading the trike thing I don't remember any suspension on the front wheel but I might be wrong there as it was a long time ago.
There is a cantilevered suspension on the front, but it maybe gives about 2 inches maximum
Wait am i hearing this right? The brake is in the front wheel??
No, only the rear wheels are braked, both operated off a single foot pedal.
@@InducedBank oh thats a relief.
Are the rudder pedals if you hold them both the brake like normal aircraft?
Youd think a simple abs system would work.
I had one on a street bike that i had removed and it didnt weigh more than 2 lbs.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Hey, no, totally different to conventional aircraft. No rudder for a start 😊 Just one brake pedal, and steering on the ground is through a foot operated bar that steers the front wheel.
@@InducedBank yep forgot i was commenting on a kite wing based altralight video. My appologies
@@InducedBank thats right. Its been a long time since i have seen one of those birds specifically.
The last one i saw was a kit built open cockpit and the front wheel was on a swivel with pegs one both sides.
Good story, i did something similar on tarmac, purely cos thought trike behind me was too close and wanted to get out of his way, huge hole in wheel barrow tyre, no where to get new tyre, lift into local town, buy tyre, lift back, fit, missed landing slot/tour at Shuttleworth but did get wife tea and butty in their cafe so.................! S*** happens!
Blimey! Interesting story! Thanks for sharing! 👍
Much more susceptible for that to happen when there are no vertical and horizontal stabilizers
Cheers Adam, hard to know how much a vertical stabiliser would add at the relatively low speeds we land at. 3-axis tail draggers have a vertical stabiliser but are notorious for ground looping. The front wheel on the trike is set so it has a castoring effect and always wants to align with the direction of movement. No easy answer alas!
@@InducedBank Yes that it true.
nice vid
Cheers Joe, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Jeez, hope you're ok.
Graeme did pull his shoulder a bit wrestling with the wing during the spin, but no other injuries.
@@InducedBank Hope his mind is good. I know what it’s like to get a scare with a bike crash.
Thanks for sharing.
It’ll take more than a pirouette down a runway to stop me flying!!!
@@grahamesmith5523 Yes, in fact Graeme's words to me were "Don't let this put you off"! Glad to say it hasn't! Been there before with motorbike crashes - just get back in the saddle asap!
Beginner pilot: “The plane decided to ….”
Instructor: “But you were the pilot.”
It’s good piloting practice to take responsibility for your decisions and actions. It will save your life someday.
Absolutely - we are PIC - Pilot in Command - and all our decisions are ours and ours alone - it's a big responsibility.