Italy 50k house | planning process explained & COSTS to build.
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- Buying a property with land to renovate in Italy? Want to live in Italy and wonder how much it costs? Italian property process and cost of planning explained. Tips and what to look out for and avoid. Bargain farmhouses, one euro houses, extend or rebuild them? What are the costs to renovate a house in Italy?
So many questions. Thank you for sending them to me. Now that I have explained how I found my house and how much it cost, I now discuss the planning permission process in Italy. What was I told before I bought compared to what I know now after owning a home in Italy. Plus, what did I learn and the top tips I would give if you are looking to choose Italy and Le Marche region for your dream Italian lifestyle holiday home or retirement plans.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Planning Permission in Italy
01:54 A few big mistakes
04:01 The first plan
05:35 The second plan
07:50 The third plan
08:57 The four plan
12:46 The fifth plan
14:25 The sixth and final plan
17:23 Observations and tips
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This is my new channel which is all about my big plans to renovate an old disused rustic farmhouse that I purchased in rural Italy. I show you why I chose to buy a house in Italy and why I chose to live in the Marche region over places such as Tuscany, Umbria, Abruzzo and Puglia.
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This one follows on from the other guide that I published a few weeks ago - it covers planning permission and the dance that it seems to be…
It is important to stress that each application is different and different regions and communities may have a different approach. I am sharing my personal experience so that you get a feel for how it played out for me. All conversations that I had with my geometry and the town hall had a translator present. Most of these conversations were through my geometra and I took his lead and advice along the way. Make of that what you will… 😂
I made a fair stack of mistakes here but did learn at each step. Living and learning is the takeaway but I hope it’s helpful to you.
Ask anything…I will try my best to help and reply to all. 👍
With the barn you’re turning into a relaxation area, you could put a BBQ and temporary pizza oven there. Maybe a nice big dining table/eating area too. Put some solar panels on the roof so you have electricity there. That way you can cook and eat outside during the hotter months. Not a permanent outdoor kitchen which might require planning permission, but something similar in a creative way to get around the rules. Try to beat them at their own game.
Good idea @KittyMcGee1001 . That all sounds feasable - it is the converting of the actual building that will be the game!😂
It is all a process in Italy. And I truly love my life here now that I am here permanently. Doing up the house is a great idea. As you get to know the area better, you also learn to navigate the system. I was told I could not change my window into a door because I need to hire an engineer, and I could not close up the front door and make a large opening window there because that is the designated door. Then the architect said to me, We can make this window all the way to the floor (french window style) and we can still call it a window. no engineer needed. And I could install a new front door with windows and just keep it closed. just open the windows. DUH! lol! My head was aching. Now I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. But everything takes time. Bravo. It is a peaceful place to live, is it not?
Good advice @kdclothes . I think that local knowledge of how to get a window passed is golden. It is all a dance but things get there in the end. Many Italians comment on here saying that there is always a way!😂
Hi Richard,
Great wisdom and very good decision. It’s interesting in so many ways…. We’ve been pretty much through the same journey… We visited our property as the 48th in our search….it was on a rainy November day, we could barely see the sea some 800 metres away from us! But we instantly fell in love and knew this would be the one. Having bought it we decided first to live a couple years in it during holidays. There was nothing wrong, everything worked, but we got carried away with grand plans… Once we realised this would cost us money we couldn’t recover if we ever had to resell it we stepped back and realised none of this would change the essence of why we loved this place. It would impress the friends and neighbours for sure….but would it make us happier ? The years have passed since and we enjoy this place even more, having just improved on landscaping, garden and rain collection / irrigation system. So to live, the sunny side of it, and the pleasure of sharing it with friends and family. Great video as always… can’t wait to see the progress towards you realising your dream with this gem of a place !
Bestest, Pierre
@@threeacresofmarcheSounds more like you need an attorney to twist wordage.☺️
Simplicity is classic as they say. Don’t get ahead of yourself with dreams of grandeur. Or buy a home that fits your needs without having to do major renovations. Carry on Richard! Love your content!!
Thanks @TAG993🙌
You quickly discover how your culturally based assumptions go out the window and how resilient but more importantly, adaptable you can and have to be. You’re a foreigner in Italy and waiting to do the outbuilding is a brilliant move that gives you time to continue to embrace this new region and its people, including those who’ll eventually grant you planning permission. Build those bridges and things will turn out. As a French-Canadian and therefore a Latin, it’s all about the people and creating those relationships. You’re on the right track! Interesting how what we want from Italy, the sweet life, comes at a price or maybe simply extends to all facets of life, including owning and building in a Latin culture. They take their time, they chat, the share ideas, change their minds, make you fill out tons of paperwork, most of it never amounting to anything other than filling a file folder, and almost seem to want to drag out the process so they can see you again and again and again rather than realizing you’re there to accomplish something …They’ve been doing it like this forever, just like in France or most Latin countries. I spent four years back and forth to Chile and still return there and even as South America’s most politically and economically stable and prosperous country, inefficiency reigns and, when things make no sense or when stories change a zillion times, I find myself saying “It’s Chile” and embracing the chaos and laughing at the inefficiency even if sometimes I want to pull my hair out! It’s Italy, and if you have to put up with this, and it costs you a few nights’ sleep and extra money, and requires endless chats and meetings and paperwork, so be it. Like Chile’s brilliant sunsets, amazing landscape and way of life, including its amazing wines, it’s a price worth paying to find yourself at the end of a long day of hard graft, sipping a Moretti on your deck. You now have your goal with Plan 6 so begin with that end in mind: to build your Italian oasis and enjoy la dolce vita to the full in a beautiful part of Italy!
It is a ‘dance’ - we have a suitcase of paperwork under the bed 🤣. Agree about being too trusting & having too many ‘big ideas’ - always be on your guard. Definitely take your time. 👍 👏👏👏👏
Hello Richard. I believe as long as you are comfortable with the living space that you actually are using all the other additions and expenses aren’t necessary. It’s nice to plan larger areas for when the children visit but I found out that they really don’t come as often as you think they will and when they do come they want to go places and see things. Your house becomes a pit stop and rest area. Make sure what you do makes you happy and if you enjoy it every one else will too. Bigger is not always better. Keep up the great work.
Great perspective. I totally agree.
Hi @dono9879 That is great advice. They will probably only need a washing machine and a cashpoint!😂 I think you are right. A few flat areas so that decent glamping tents can be put out when they visit or they have the house and I go on a holiday! I don't think they will see the same beauty as I feel that I am seeing until they reach a similar age...those brambles might be under control by then.😁
@@threeacresofmarche No truer words could have been spoken.
Keep it simple, and get to enjoy more sunsets.
If there was a tractor in the outhouse - then that is your lock up.
PS - bougainvillea tend to be very messy dropping all their flowers, so you might not want them near outdoor eating area or patio.
What you’re doing is exactly what I hope to do in a few years. For me your channel is real world. It’s not a process to rush, the devil as always is in the detail. Thanks for covering that detail as much as you do. It hasn’t put me off, far from it. It’s encouraged me more as I have more of an insight.
And those views mate… absolutely stunning.
Thats great to hear. Thanks @franhunter4701 . A mix of the hard work with the lifestyle of the place seems to being well received. The rewards are here though so best wishes with your plans.👍
Good, honest commentary about the challenges we’re all likely to face when the time comes to make moves.
Thanks @juanramos3189 .
Unfortunately, Italy has seismic areas, rural areas and natural parks and historic buildings... all of which must be preserved to ensure that there is more safety than in the past and that there is no wild construction. If you have bought agricultural land, you cannot transform it, you must stick to the square meters of buildings. now, if the barns have been declared, you could certainly use some of them as storage space, but not all of them, you have to see the Regional or Municipal laws for that area. Make different types of projects, look for laws that allow you to get around obstacles (in Italy we are good at doing this) you must have a good surveyor or architect. I hope everything is going well for you. I have renovated several times, in a region different from yours, and I have always clashed with bureaucracies and laws, sometimes you have to settle, take a step back and start again. you will see that then magically everything will be magnificent.
Thank you for the tips Sara, I think the step back and review is the best thing to do at the moment. A different geometra next time also...😁
Sorry, but wth is a geometra? You use that word a lot. @@threeacresofmarche
@@kookietherapy9398 Just search the internet: "A geometra is a cross between a land surveyor and a junior architect. Their primary focus is on buildings and building systems (utilities). Their training allows them to design "modest" buildings as well as to plan and oversee building works. A geometra does not have the full formal university training of an architect. A geometra often performs more "operational" tasks such as conducting a technical review of a property, checking to see if it complies with the building codes which were applicable when the building was constructed and perhaps subsequently modified. The review would normally include verification of the correctness of the data, including floor plan (planimetria catastale) on file with the catasto, the land registry for tax purposes...."
one can never truly tire of those views! 🥰
Very helpful and informative, hard to believe the crazy bureaucracy, I love the outlook you have and at the end of the day I’m sure it will be worth it
Hi Richard, thanks a lot for sharing your experience, first of all! It will & might help others to avoid the "hard way" ! Lessons learned 😅 I love your attitude, the dreaming and planning, (I am the same, I already have made plans, powerpoint, & budgets etc. for my upcoming project in Italy, but not even have bought anything 🤣) Isn't is wonderful to imagine how it could be? Nevertheless stick to the process, later reality is catching up anyhow like so many times in LIFE! I believe one need a good portion of flexibility and be able to compromise or in other words trying to adjust to the local culture (also language) otherwise it is hard to live in a foreign country for long terms😅 All the best to you, good luck and keep your head up high... it will be beautiful later, imagine and manifest your dreams 🤩 🙏👍👏
Thank you @ralfweimar1869 . Wise words. Good luck with your plans. It is good to be organised with the budgets so that you are ready to rock once you see the property that has your name on it! Best wishes.
Keep going forward. Don't give up, make sure you enjoy the journey and smile.
Enjoyed. Thank you. Very interesting too.😊
Good infos there and glad that you happy with what you are able to do. :)
Very interesting thanks for sharing.
Great work and decision! ❤
As you said, In the end it all worked out as it should have. Love it. Great video Richard. Thanks!
Thank you @thomasbrynwood8592
Just finished catching up on all your videos. Loved each one. The only thing that matters is that you are happy with the outcome from any decision you make. I am very happy for you! Looking forward to your next video. God bless you.
Hi @gracekarina7186 . Thank you for watching and all the kind comments.😊
Your editing is getting better and better. Great Job. Keep it up. Amazing content.
Thank you @duckmanhd I appreciate that. A lot to learn so I hope it keeps improving as I go.👍
Richard,
Watching you describe the process for planning approval I am reminded of Peter Mayle's frustration in his book A Year in Provence. I agree that allowing your outbuilding plans to marinate a bit longer will payoff in the future. I am looking forward to seeing it all unfold.
Thanks for sharing this! My husband and I are currently working on getting Italian citizenship through his mother and are considering moving from Canada. You videos have been very informative!
Thank you @chrismacpherson7501 . Good luck with your application and best wishes for your big move over.🙌
Wow great synopsis,admire your patience.Think I may have thrown a lot of spaghetti at town planners 😅
I think my geometra might be with you on that one. He was very frustrated.
Thank you!
This house is perfect and beautiful. Outdoor spaces with it and voilà! With that beautiful setting and the views, it will turn out fantastic! Looking forward to your next steps.
Hi @mysicilycorner . Thank you. A long way to go....the windows are ordered though!🙌
@@threeacresofmarche That's great to hear!
Great information Richard
You had to learn the process
But you have a very beautiful home and land
You gave good advice on everything
Your barns may be very useful for different uses besides equipment and storage
Glad you included this video
Many are needing someone with experience in dealing with the redoingof property and what they need in making their plans
Looks so beautiful as you sat on your deck there
Take care and thank you for sharing information
See you in the next video
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Thanks you @marilynmeade2286
@@threeacresofmarche thank you for the heart ❤️ Richard
Take care
Really neat to see and hear both the formal planning process and your coming together e what you really want to do! We a4e going to be buying some land in a rural part of our province next year and of course planning always comes into it. We will likely purchase said land and sit on it for the first year until we really have a good sense of how we want to use it. It will definitely be a recreational property for us 9 months of the year but a great spot for family and friends to come visit as well. My wife said let’s not make it too inviting! LOL
That sounds like a great plan @grantlingley1385 . Not too inviting!😂🙌
You survived all of that!! 😏Well done. And...good thing you always had your deck and a bottle of wine 🍷to come back to after those conversations...haha! Seems to me there was a lot of protection from the "universe" 🤷 that you are where you are now. Great idea to wait it out for other projects you might tackle in the future. I love the idea of an open area in the shade to relax during the heat of the summer. 🌞⭐🍹
That deck (and the wine) helped with many hours of reflection @lisasbeautifuljourney😂
this is mad! got all worked up by listening
Hi Richard,
Great wisdom and very good decision. It’s interesting in so many ways…. We’ve been pretty much through the same journey… We visited our property as the 48th in our search….it was on a rainy November day, we could barely see the sea some 800 metres away from us! But we instantly fell in love and knew this would be the one. Having bought it we decided first to live a couple years in it during holidays. There was nothing wrong, everything worked, but we got carried away with grand plans… Once we realised this would cost us money we couldn’t recover if we ever had to resell it we stepped back and realised none of this would change the essence of why we loved this place. It would impress the friends and neighbours for sure….but would it make us happier ? The years have passed since and we enjoy this place even more, having just improved on landscaping, garden and rain collection / irrigation system. So to live, the sunny side of it, and the pleasure of sharing it with friends and family. Great video as always… can’t wait to see the progress towards you realising your dream with this gem of a place !
Bestest, Pierre
Hi @pierrearthur5428 'none of this would change the essence of why we love this place' is a prefect way to look at these things. Ok to have thoughts of the grand design but when the friends leave, being left with a bad bank balance and the same (free) view is the reality to not lose sight of. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate it. 👍
Richard my brain is scrambled eggs after hearing that 😂 … maybe when they see what you do with the original house they’ll get it and let you go ahead with the other bit, that plus the landscaping will keep you busy…bougainvillea not ivy though lol 😊
Hi @davidmiller-br4bu . I think you're right. Finish the one project and then go back and review the ideas with them at that point. Good plan.
I just googled bougainvillea. Good tip - thank you.🙌
It must be a relief to finally have a plan that you can get stuck into, I'm hoping to buy somewhere in Europe this year and these sort of problems will definitely be making an impact on which type of property I look for.
Considering the Italians seem desperate to lure people back into the small towns and rural areas, I do find it ridiculous when they make things so hard for people who want to do just that, even if you are only using it as a lock up and leave. As long as any work is done sympathetically in regards to design and materials used, I really can't understand some of the silly reasons and restrictions they gave you, one would think they would be overjoyed that somebody wants improve their local area.
You mentioned previously that you weren't allowed to make any money from your land, is that down to citizenship and why they wouldn't allow an air b&b?
As a prospective buyer these videos are a great help, looking forward to the next one 👏👍
Hi @donkeykong7777 . The profit from the land was simply to protect the farmers whom I assume have a licence to trade etc. I can grow what I like but not cross the line of trading. With food standards etc. that is fair enough.
AirBnBs are being encouraged in some areas. I even hear that Le Marche is encouraging these things. It is still down to the regions and as the town has some lovely hotels and there are already many guest houses nearby I assume they did not want this area to be saturated. I did not progress it as it was never a plan. There is plenty online about these things though should you be looking to rent the place out in some way.
As for the designs - yes - very odd. Bad timing I think....it will come back when I know what to specifically ask for that I know they cannot say no to.😁
@@threeacresofmarche Thanks 👍
Greetings Richard, I'm really enjoying your videos. I'm in the States and moving through my dual citizenship process with Italy. My question is at time point 16:05 you make the comment that they told you that "you weren't a farmer and couldn't be a farmer". Can you explain that further please. Are you not allowed to farm if your not brought up a farmer? I look forward to your explanation. Keep up the good work both on the house and these videos.
My friend who has a house in a medieval village, has had to jump through hoops with the authorities 😂😂 you can do this then you can't, bless them 😂😂😂❤
Its does seem a little down to timing. In saying that, some of what gets passed in my home country should be torn down so loose planning can be awful.😂
My takeaway...only buy a property that is exactly as you want it. Zero changes, or at least visible from the outside. Geez...and people complain about HOA's in the US. Instantly changed my thoughts about retiring there
Italy have lots of strange bureaucracy. I am watching other channels like yours and everyone use to have lots of problems on the beginning. 🌞
The wisdom and ability to play the game well comes with time (I hope!)😂
We just took down a ruin and have rebuild the volume in a complete new house. Very VERY recognisable. If at any moment you would like to visit us, pls feel welcome. We are located in Amandola
HI @karinvaes5192 . That could be good to see. If you'd be up for talking about it then I am sure that some would like to see and hear how that all went? Your YT debut maybe?😊
Hi Richard
#1 For all the ones you looked at - this was the one!
#2 You were too trusting!
#3 Learned to dance Italian style to get along.
#4 Took a while till you figured how things really worked!
#5 Seems all your hard work and money was to please them and not please you.
#6 Lots of no.
#7 Sounds like the marriage game!
@LindaSiuzdak sounds like the marriage game..😂👍
What I don't understand is the resistance to what you want to do. What possible basis do they have for stopping you doing pretty much whatever you want? You're in the middle of nowhere, it's just a scruffy collection of buildings, you'll be employing local contractors, improving the tax base, etc. As long as you're not building a lead smelter, you're doing all manner of good things. Were they hoping to be offered bribes, perhaps?
Agree 100%. I am Swedish. We renovate and build like crazy all the time. Hardly any bureaucracy❤
Hi @PeterPanMan While I agree with you in some ways I also respect that this is their counrty, with their rules, and they like to keep it looking a certain way. Building what you like is not how Italy looks. I must respect their rules and find a way to get this done so that all involved are happy. I am sure that there is a way through this. 😁
Exactly, that IS Not italy@@johanswede8200
Hello, that´s why I want to buy a fairly finished house in Marche, not too much to renovate, I had really traumatizing experiences doing that in my villa in Spain... And you are just confirming this to me. Your content is so much appreciated and helpful.
Thanks @dorismeusburger4219 . A nearly finished house or one that just needs redecorating sounds like a nice plan. Best wishes for your search.👍
Thank-you for taking the time to explain all of this! Wow! We do dream of buying a place either in Italy or France (where we live now) but we have decided we do not want to have to do any renovations, or at least as few as possible. I look forward to following the evolution of your three acres. Did you design your logo? It's really well done.
Hi @patriciadewit Being honest, if I had the budget (I paid cash and did not want to borrow for this) I would have bought a place that needed decorating only. Beggers and choosers and all that...
The logo - yes - I used the two olive trees at the top of the land and traced them in photoshop. Thank you.🙌
This was a great explainer video, thanks. Discovered your channel last week and have been catching up on all the videos so far. One question maybe I missed somewhere - did you need permission to start knocking down walls and reconfiguring things inside?
Hi @mttshw. Thanks. Permission was needed for the new windows and for insulating the roof - making good, so to speak. It was an easy process that took a few weeks and cost 60euros in paperwork at the townhall. I cover it in one of the other videos but forget which one, sorry.👍
So glad you've got sorted in the end Rich so when am i coming to help 😉?
Hi @aarontaylor3768 . Thank you. I am getting lots of people asking to visit - it is so nice! I hope to get organised for next year so that I can offer a few different dates where people can come and go as they please. I should have some flat areas in place by then or will speak to the local accomodation places to see if we can get a deal! Thanks. I will send out details when I get to that stage.
I subscribed. I am enjoying your content. You have the perfect rectangular home, ALONE❤. The homes in the towns are too squished up, and back to back, and hodge podged to let much light in, or keep it all on 1 level. Love what you found. You need to invest in a bulldozer type equipment that allows you to cut grass and move rocks and dirt. Save you heaps in $ and labor, and sell it once you are Done.
I'd love a big machine that does multiple jobs but the budget doesnt cover that at the moment...😊
Hello love I love your channel and you are absolutely gorgeous just sitting here watching drinking my morning coffee and now it’s time for my bike ride keep going I’m watching love live from Florida I’m off to the beach see you later tonight love
Hi, I believe that the law to increase the house by 20% is valid if you present the project by June 2024, and will be valid for construction within 30 months. if you have to do it, inform yourself well. Have you ever thought about connecting the main house to the two barns (which you will then slowly transform into mini-apartments) with self-supporting pergolas? pergolas in Italy do not need permits and once they have passed a certain number of years you can ask for them to be transformed into something built.
Hi - I did hear about the 20% rule ending but am happy to let that go as the paperwork costs are a waste of money if I don't get the result required. With regards to the pergolas, somebody has mentioned that so I will have to see where that leads in the future. Now that I am in no rush I can review all options and be better prepared to get the result I am after next time.
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Thanks @mariushegli🙌
Thanks for the update 😊
Also thank you for some good tips I should keep in mind when finally buying my own property ✌️
I do wonder, if they said no so much for the outhouse, how could it even be built in the first place? Did the requirements change so much from the past 😬
Barn area/plans do look nice 💪
As these are on the old, original drawings of the land I would guess that it was built before the rules became so sticky. At least it is on the plans as there are many houses with extra buildings that do not show on any plans or maps - then you have issues!😂
We have had our project almost 20 years, there's no hurry
I think I might need a nicer shower and a proper kitchen sink a lot sooner than 20 years!😂 ....but I know what you mean.😊
Good example for resilience😂
Having worked in municipal planning, I think what bothers me is it seems like an arbitrary process. It shouldn't be about what they want or like, there should be really clear bylaws which take the guesswork out of it. Nonetheless, I'm glad you've come up with something workable that you do like.
That sounds fair @Reet64 but I guess when they are trying to formalise things around structures that were built way before any process and rules were put in place then each case is different. Different, these days, means more time and money...and papwerwork.🤷♂️
Hi - apologies if you've already been asked/and answered this question... With regards to the drawings and plans, in addition to a geometro, did you work with an architect at all? Or is the geometro also an architect? Just wondering if the city planners had seen plans submitted by an architect they are familiar with if they might have reacted any differently. But I agree with you and all others who've pointed out to focus on the house now and see how the space layout unfolds in the coming months (and if you're like me, how the budget decides what will be done.) I'm really enjoying watching and learning. Thanks for sharing!
Hi @maryrudkin5409. I was told that I did not need an architect for these type of plans/changes. The Geometra is local so should have known the rules and what would have been rejected and their drawings and designs should have been sufficient. Geometra's meet those in the town hall regularly and should be 'in the know', so to speak. I will find out more over time what actually happened and will share that when I know more.
My budget is the budget and I don't think they listened to that properly. My feeling is that the superbonus has distorted any cost benefit reality and I was lost in the noise of all of that.
0:54 Hello watching from Philippines 🇵🇭 🙏🙏
Hi @Geesell
Questa è l' Italia, tanto bella quanto burocraticamente complicata anche per noi Italiani, tieni duro, vedrai che a lavori terminati sarai soddisfatto e ve la potrete godere...💪
I am Swedish. We renovate and build ourselves all the time. Minimal interference...
Why is Italy so bureaucratic when it comes to renovating your own house?
Grazie. Lo spero. @valtervogliotti2277
Hi @johanswede8200 If you look at it all another way - does Sweden allow a car garage to become a three story house without anyone blinking an eye? They are simply saying that the outhouse is not a house - which is fair enough because you would not want to live in it as it is. Change of use is a big thing in many countries. Also, as tax is based on the space and how it is used, that has to be considered. It is not that bereacratic if you look at things at face value and not from a selfish standpoint. I am being selfish trying to change an outhouse into a house. I call it an outhouse but in all honestly it had a tractor parked in it when I viewed it so it is a garage in that sense.
@@threeacresofmarche I've probably watched to many northern Europeans trying to renovate in the Mediterranean...
@@threeacresofmarche Certamente.
I have no words
red tape is a pain in the neck and it sounds like it could drive you crazy
At any rate wishing you much luck in all your endeavors
Thank you @miriammuskal5402
Lot of frustration :( I don´t know the climate but if it´s similar to the spanish coast, you won´t be inside that much. Maybe a screened in deck if you have a lot of bugs, with a roof so you can also sit outside when it rains, put a terrace heater and you´ll be grand year round ;)
It is very warm in the summer here but I would say that we have milder winters to where you are - especially if you are down as far as the Andalucian coast.
Maybe you could consider making some sort of Shepherds cabin (Like the one CarlRogers is creating on his channel), so that the children can have their own space? Since it's moveable it shouldn't require a permit?
That sounds like a good idea @mariushegli . I will take a look at what he is doing. Thanks!👍
Ahhhh the motherland of bureaucracy!
Richard how did you handle the language barrier (or are you fluent in Italian) ?
Hi @speedbird8326 . I brought along a translator to help with all of these important meetings. As you can imagine, the conversations get quite complex so best to be sure that there is nothing lost in translation...even though on a few occasions there were still some major misunderstandings.😂
@@threeacresofmarche Ok thanks.
Well if you can’t build extra rooms you can always buy a cute yurt for your kids if they are teenagers and want to invite some friends…they will have a lot of fun during summer-)
Thank you @LiliofParis . That seems a popular idea. A quirky yet simple [something] would be nice.😎
I guess my question is this on all the retracted yes's and turn-around no's to your different proposals: American local zoning has zoning laws with fairly detailed specs so that if you get denied you have someting solid to argue about...always some proposals are in the grey zone...but here is sounds like its all fluid and there is not much in the zoning laws and specs that offer solid guidance...it sounds like haggling at a bazaar or souk in Turkey! Everything's negotiable and its for fun most of the time...
Hi @williamneil8862 . It is interesting seeing the comments from all over the world and how people compare things to their own country. The positive is that there are many Italians in the comments and the message is similar - there is always a way to get things done in Italy. It depends on the appetite for the long haul haggle I suppose.😂
@@threeacresofmarche I would be the last one to argue about the "wonders" of the american zoning process at the local level, having been immersed in land-use controversy in NJ which has 567 give or take municipalities who have the land-use powers, not counties or the state unless the state legislature enacts a special area law like the NJ Pinelands. At any rate, the local muni zoning and its regs ought to tell a landowner-new home owner what changes they can make without a "permit" and whether their proposal is allowed in that zone (residential, commercial, industrial with many sub-iterations.). Then it gets tricky because there ought to be rules for "amendments" which is where the existing regs get bent. "Bargained on." Of course, the developers and their attorneys have the resources and time to mould this process to their advantage, and there have been infamous examples of municipal wide corruption. So the NJ process is more formal, legalistic and less bargaining oriented, but it does get "bent" quite a bit in my experience. And most often in more rural areas, and regions like Houston in the South, where there is little or no zoning. The irony is that when the building laws ignore nature, like wetland protection, infamous areas of NJ like the Passaic Basin flood regularly, and so does Houston, the NJ laws too late to save all the structures built in wrong place. And for much our American history, still true despite our "enlightened environmentalism, ahem" land is real estate, not habitat. England does a lot better, but it makes Martin Wolf mad.
Are you allowed to go up above what you have on the main house without changing the footprint? Then a separate apartment and verandah with its own entry might be the go and you may well end up utilising that for yourself depending on the view.
Hi @jennichristie5264. Footrpint and volume are what they work from so adding volume is the same as adding footprint. I don't think they would allow a new floor to be added to anything if honest.
I look at you sitting on your deck that be a great place to build out the front room kitchen & dinner a big glass wall that can open up take out the wall on the end of the houst have a it open into the fount room on one side kitchen & dinner on the other side taking in the view but sound very hard to build there
HI @user-yj1py2jw1i It sounds great...and expensive. That big glass wall would take a lot of knowing the right people to get that through. I have only seen one barn converstion where they have built a house withing the frame of the barn - it looks very modern and small and sticks out like a sore thumb. I think that may have ruined things for those sort of plans in this area. A terrace will have a better view and be much cheaper. 😊
A good geometra is key
No better a skilled engineer than
I agree @Bluray50gig . An expert that actually knows all the rules and what will be approved before asking would have been easier I think.
Hi @pippodibrutto2008 the skills maybe similar but the process dictates that a geometra must be part of the process. I am lead to believe that these are highly qualified and respected roles in Italy.
Those that suggested a movable shepherd's cottage or tiny house - do they know how steep your land is? I would wonder about getting it up that or if it could roll away from the seismic activity there. Or other activity.
They probably would say no anyways - so save yourself from more meetings and trips to the city hall.
HI @LindaSiuzdak while it looks steep, the land is a gradual slope and getting things up the field are not problem with the right machine / tractor etc. I think the only think I would put on the field would be something that I could easily take down and move.
What about locating a ‘tiny house’ for extra accomodation. Do the regulations allow these type of ‘vehicles’ on the land?
Hi @paulrayner1274 . I am not sure....
Someone from NZ has contacted me about coming to Italy to film small houses for a series so I will see what they find out and see if we can share their film/documentry.
I am staying for one month from the 16th of Augustus in Ostra Vetere, to get to know the area and to see what is possible to buy. May I contact you for some advice?
HI @hajnalsinka1921 , yes, of course - happy to try help where I can. Best to email me or contact me via DMs in Instagram. Links are on the channel page. 👍
well said. don't change anything. make what already exists welcoming. a minimum internal insulation with natural materials such as hemp-lime would make everything livable even when it is not hot and even without so much inertia of a house that is not heated every day.
insulating the roof is also fundamental and always with natural materials that also protect from the heat
ben detto. non cambiare niente. rendi accogliente quello che già esiste. un minimo isolamento interno con materiali naturali come la calcecanapa renderebbe tutto vivibile anche quando non fa caldo e anche senza tanta inerzia di una casa non riscaldata tutti i giorni.
anche isolare il tetto è fondamentale e sempre con materiali naturali che proteggono anche dal caldo
Thank you @espertocasaclima_video . As mad as it sounds, this house feels is pretty well insulated as it is. I will look at the natural methods when the time comes. There are some great renovations on YT showing this. @makedogrow are doing a superb job of it (in Portugal).
@@threeacresofmarche @makedogrow ...they are unsurpassed, but they have more preserved than insulated.
and the Marche is not Portugal (climate zone D-E) 💪
Thank you - I have just looked at your channel and advice. There is a lot to look through but when it comes time to look at the internal roof insulation I will make contact and hopefully we can work together. 👍
@@threeacresofmarche If I can help you, I will do it with pleasure
Why not make the outhouse into a nice bath house?
Hi @violetlight8138 at this stage it is a blank canvas that has massive potential. Main house first and then the plans for that building can be looked at. A bath house or sauna type thing for the winter has been mentioned quite a lot. 👍
How did you find the house?
Hi @bertibear1300 I cover all of that in this video...
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La burocrazia non è simpatica ma spesso necessaria. Venite da ogni parte del mondo e siamo felici di questo. Ma oguno di voi porta una sua cultura e un suo gusto. Noi dobbiamo difendere la nostra specificità, non possiamo permettere che il nostro stile venga alterato. Le leggi servono a quello. Ciao a tutti ❤
HI @user-gp8xi3qy9e . I agree that we must all respect what Italians want for their country. I have no problem with following whatever path it takes to keep Italy as wonderful has it has been and will be for centuries.😊❤️
@@threeacresofmarche grazie amico!!
can you show us a hicking near a mountain?thanks
HI @rameshsadhasivam2093 . Exploring the mountains is on my list for sure. I was going to head up a few weeks ago but the weather did not suit the epic shots that they deserve. Plenty to explore on bike or foot.👍
Crack on!
La casa non deve diventare un problema e non deve portare via tempo alla vita all’aperto, una casa troppo grande tra qualche anno le sarà di ostacolo. È venuto in Italia per stare rinchiuso in casa? Non è ancora libero dallo stereotipo anglosassone, sviluppi di più l’esterno e si goda il paesaggio. La casa deve essere pratica non enorme, se i suoi figli la verranno a trovare starete un po’ stretti, ma si rafforzerà il concetto di famiglia 😊
We all go thru those paper process.. no way if you want follow the rules…..stupid suggestion…always engage a local geometra or architects…most of the difficulties will be easily overcome.. obviously following local rules
Hi @carlorad my geometra was local whom has lived in the town his entire life.👍
Don’t forget corruption and good connections are your only solution to win against Italian politicians and bureaucracy
It sounds like Italy is a giant HOA.
I'm Back . lol
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Bleeping waste of air government officials
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Now you know why lot of young Italian they run away from such a beautiful country , politicians and bureaucracy are the downside of Italy
In all these discussions with officials, are you speaking English with them? Or do you have to work through an interpreter?
Also interested in this answer.
Enjoying your content, in the process of buying a house in Tuscany, will need a lot of work, so following your advice.
Hi @johnthorne1429 and @sharonbenmoshe for all of these important meetings I brought a translator.
@sharonbenmoshe Try and meet a few other expats and see how they did the planning part - some will have stories like mine but get the name of the geometra from those that sailed through it all. 👍
What's that old saying, act in haste... you need to think like the farmer next door, he'll be watching you thinking here's a brit with a load of cash gonna change the world and our lot will stop him dead in his tracks! you've got a beautiful place, get your girlfriend "or boyfriend" over and don't tell the kid's where you've moved too... job's a good un!!
Hi @kevinharker1840 that farmer next door has been one of the most helpful people and was amazed at the outcome. The neighbours have all been fantastic and love the plans to update it all.
The kids are too important to me to keep big plans like this from.😁👍
Touching the ground and building something is not an easy task in Italy. They are not fond of cement and concrete since they have maintained green land and updated land data to present to the state. They allow only limited area in which to build the concrete, idea of preserving the earth as greener as possible. Geometra service will answer all of your questions and their building plan is required by the local gov't. I love their restriction on concrete as we still enjoying the vast green country side in all Italian regions. We're living in the country side of Milano, on the borderline, considering the modern city of Italy, but we are surrounded by farm area which share big financial resources of our town. Viva la campagna.
People are leaving the countryside all over Europe. If they want people to move in they shouldn't be opposed to let people build...
To much talking and very little Action. Boring guy!
Hi @hanspeterfluck4828 . This was a detail video - hence the talking...and detail. My main channel has all the action and exploring. Fun me is over on those videos.🙌😂