After I watched it over and over in slow motion, I've come to the conclusion that when I first started pulling the hammer back, I let it slip back down before finishing the cocking procedure. As soon as I started back with it, it let the bolt drop, releasing the cylinder which was heavier to the left side, being that the one up top and to the right had just been fired, rotated just enough to the left because of my incomplete hammer pull. The full draw of the hammer then found the hand behind where it had started and it then rotated the cylinder ahead to the chamber I'd just fired. The key to avoiding that appears to me to be in a steady, full drawing of the hammer with no let off while the bolt is dropped....like I did on that shot. The gun is as designed and not malfunctioning. It was user error.
@@plowboysghost my Schofield is on it’s way. Never had a S&W before so didn’t know about the free turning cylinder. Kinda bizarre that they designed it that way. But, thanks for the heads up on drawing of the hammer.
That's one of my favorite revolvers of all time. I want to get one in the 5 1/2 inch barrel Wells Fargo version. Thanks for showing it and I hope you don't have anymore cylinder rotation issues. Appreciate the info on the cylinder gap measurement too. That's something I wouldn't have thought to check. Take Care and Keep Shootin' !
It's about my top favorite, as well. It hasn't repeated the hiccup, which I was able to positively identify as user error. I appreciate you watching and glad to hear from you again.
Half cocking, cylinder doesn't rotate to the next round. Schofields are awesome! Load 5, and close the action on the empty cylinder, or load 6 and close the action with the hammer/firing pin between the rounds. It's safe, and it works.
Thank you.. Glad to hear from you. Hope all is well with you and yours, as well, my friend. I need to shoot that Schofield some more. I also need to get my newest Cimarron SAA clone and that '66 Yellowboy back on camera now that I took some off the front sights of each and have them hitting much easier, now.
I got a lemon the first go around, but it didn't sour me on them. There is just 'something' about this design that kept drawing me back to it. Got a good one now, and it'll be mine til death do us part.
I love my Schofields! A prize possession is a matched pair of Reeder Schofields. A Russian #3, last a Uberti reproduction. Also if you are into the Era of adapting cap & ball to cartridge a Whitney dragoon is amazing, the company with the best conversion begins with K. (I don't know if I can say the name so Google it) you can also buy a completed conversion from them. They cover many of the black powder firearms.
Fairly certain you're talking about Kirst Konverter. I have a video up a year or so ago of a steel framed Pietta '51 Na (anachronistically) in .44 that I converted to .45 Colt. I'll end up converting another one, one day. The Dragoon's look great converted, so maybe......
I am hopelessly addicted to early 1800's to turn of the century. Trapdoor Springfield, 1878 with a late 1880's arsenal rebuild, a Peabody Martini 1876 (the Providence tool Co owned the Peabody patent, Martini was a Swiss citizen that ripped them off with the Martini Henry) mine is in the original .43 Spanish. It has a rack tag for the Massachusetts malitia but wasn't converted to 45/70. (A mystery there) an 1880 Snider conversion in .577. The hand guns are named above, and yes you hit the company right on the nose. I find the history to be important. The Snider conversion, by an American. The Martini Henry, by an American (ripped off by the Swiss guy Martini) the Allen conversion (the Trapdoor Springfield) by an American. America had a hand in at least the top 3 firearms of the times. A fascinating time in history. The Schofield and the Merwin Hubert were expensive but also the finest handguns of that era. Sorry this is so long and a bit off subject but the weapons developed were way ahead of the times. IMHO
The reason why the cylinder gap on these is so big now is because SASS shooters were complaining about not being able to shoot black powder. Without it, locking up the firearm standard gap of a smokeless power gun is 3 to 4
That's because the manufacturer removed the cylinder busheen when they redesigned those, and why would you want to shoot black powder anyway out of a cartridge gun. the clean-up is a nightmare
Hey PBG. How about a video on your gun leather...? I’m looking for ideas for a .44 SAA type with a 4.75” barrel. Sure would love to see what you use to tote round your beautiful pistols. Thank you.
You know...I've actually thought about doing a holster/leather video a few times. I am behind on videos right now, and i haven't bought a new gun since the Schofield...so I need something to do. None of my leather is expensive or particularly interesting, but that I've found and tested leather from an inexpensive maker that works really well might be worth watching....
Yeah, I know what you mean. I bought the DVD and watched it a dozen times for the 1851 Navy Conversion Christian Bale uses in it, then a dozen more for Charlie Prince's Schofields. Can't decide if I want a Charlie Prince replica rig or if I want a replica rig of Brad Pitt's in The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford. Hickok45 did another video on the Schofield just a few days after I'd let the other one go, and I almost threw up. I sincerely LOVE this design and I'm thankful i can now get over the nausea of letting one go.
Hi Plowboysghost! Y'know I always thought my Schofield ran a bit dirty but figured it was the design. Saw your video here and bought me a set of feeler gauges. Mine's at .015 with the cylinder forward. I'll call Cimarron tomorrow and see what they say.(had mine a little over a year now). I draped a piece of bent cardboard over it and shot it (don't try this at home, kids) and doesn't appear to be any lead spitting, just a lot of powder residue.
My cylinder still gets plenty dirty at .010", but not as bad as the one i had that was .019". BTW, I'm measuring it with the hammer down and no pressure on the cylinder fore or aft. Let me know what Cimarron says, if you don't mind.
I thought i was seeing a good bit of flash at the cylinder gap of yours in your video. Cimarron's gunsmith quoted a 30-day turnaround if he fixes that issue under Cimarron's warranty....and they had the parts in stock a few weeks ago.
@@plowboysghost Me too!!! I always thought the modern side swinging revolvers where a step backward. Not as fast to reload either! With modern materials and technology I think we could solve the problems associated with break top actions. But, unfortunately, with modern semi-autos there is really no need for them. (Sigh!)
@@plowboysghost it certainly was progress, there was a .44-40 double action, Model 3 variant made about 1883. This paved the way to other S&W revolvers that would become more famous, the various .32 and. 38 Top-Breaks, the solid frame, .32 and later .38 Hand Ejector, the great-granddaddy of all modern S&W revolvers made to this day which of course lead to the Military and Police Revolver of 1899 and various changes, particularly the third and fourth change which would be later known as the Model 10: the granddaddy of all S&W revolvers made to this day. Other than materials and size scaling, nearly all S&W revolvers are based on that model, introduced in 1899, perfected in 1902 with the cartridge it is well-known for: the .38 S&W Special. Other than the 9x19mm Luger/Parabellum, released later that year and the .32 ACP in 1899/1900, two of the oldest defensive handgun rounds still in use today.
Looks pretty good. I just bought a Cimarron 1872 Open top in 38 special. I agree, they are rather liberal with the tolerances. Made a video of shooting it. Not the most accurate thing but it was still fun. Love the T-shirt.
My Cimarron Man With No Name .38 'Conversion" is basically an Open Top....with the addition of the loading lever assembly and a drift-adjustable dovetailed rear sight on the barrel. Mine's actually pretty accurate. It was near perfect all the way around when i bought it new. Hardly shot it more than the couple of videos i have up of it. I'll check your video out. Thanks!
Glad that I found your channel. I'm interested in the older firearms and have yet to get a Cimarron. I'm seeing quality issues in yours and other videos and it concerns me.
This Cimarron is good. My Man With No Name .38 Conversion is good, so is my nickel Pistolero and my Thunderball. Still got those and don't intend to let one go. This Schofield is good. I figured out what happened with my 3rd shot in that cylinder not going off, and it's more inherent to the design than the execution, I think. Seems to me that I pulled the hammer back enough to get the bolt to lower, but if you'll notice, I kind of let off the hammer before finishing pulling it back to full cock. The S&W No.3 design will allow the cylinder to rotate either way at half cock, and that's what happened...the left side of the cylinder was heavier with unfired cartridges and I let it rotate back at that moment of half cock, just enough to get behind the hand for the next stroke. It gave me the cylinder that was next at that point, which was the previously fired one. I've been able to replicate it a few times when I purposely let off the hammer around half cock on my way to full cock, and then go to full cock. The key is to smoothly cock the hammer without letting it off near half cock. My bad.
I'll also add, that it seems to me that the main QC issues I've seen from Cimarron in the last year or so has been from Uberti built guns they import/sell. My 2 Cimarron Piettas are recent manufactured models and they are great in every respect. My MWNN .38 is a Uberti, but it's and Open Top .38, and I haven't heard much negative on them. Mine's sweet. My Uberti 1873 Winchester is a solid work of art and functions flawless.
The OUTLAW JOSEY WALES method of reloading is faster.... in case you don’t remember or live under a rock, he carried six pistols visible and would draw another pistol with the other hand and holster the first one..... and kept going through pistols until bad guys were dead. Reload casually when you’re the only living person in the room.
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ yea but who needs to carry that many guns this day and age if i need that kind odf fire power i would just carry my para 1911 with a bunch of mags
@@plowboysghost That thing looks like it would have a very natural aim point to it, like the Luger p08. You bring it up and it's just naturally on target because of the grip angle.
Love your vids man. I'll do my research but is cimarron the only company that makes reproduction Schofields? Thinking Taylor's and uberti might. I'll look it up. Those handloads or from the box? Keep up the vids plowboy!
The Schofield that Cimarron sells, like Taylor's, is made by Uberti. Other than the stampings on the barrels, i reckon they are the same. These are Lee .452-255RF bullets that I cast, over 8.2-gr of Universal powder. Thanks!
I like these a lot better than my last one, too. It had lighter grips with no grain. I rubbed them with boiled linseed oil for hours over aa week to make them look better
Love your humor, buddy! I don;t feel threatened at all. Do you load Schofield brass? Not really much difference in my 45 Colts at high charges, but the lighter charges (4.8 g Titegroup) are noticeably more accurate in the Schofield cases than in Colt cases. (BTW, I hope to get my video this weekend of the 7th Cavalry Cimmarron. I've owned that gun about an month and have only shot it at an indoor range a few rounds the day after I got it.)
Thanks...heheh. Thought it might strike the wrong not to be aiming at the camera when i ask people to hit "Like" and subscribe. I'm using .45 Colt brass and my standard (smokeless) load of a Lee .452-255RF over 8.2-gr of Universal powder that I use in my SAA clones and my Uberti 1873 "Winchester" with favorable results. I look forward to seeing that 7th Cav Cimarron in action.
My normal carry is a Glock 19, but I just picked up a Cimarron No 3 in .38 because I've always liked the looks and feel of a top break revolver. This is my first Schofield. Is there anything I should know?
I can't think of anything more than what I said in the video. I'm not familiar with this platform in .38, but I assume that +P isn't a good idea...however, I've not read about them in that caliber. You may be able to feed it with a speedloader for a six-shot .38/.357 of some flavor. I carry my .45 cal Schofield from time to time, but I don't carry a speedloader for it often. I pull the internal safety bar out of all mine, but then I'm carrying 5 in mine. I have tested resting the hammer between two cartridge rims with the idea of loading all six, and it works on the .45....don't know about the .38...or if there's anything more to consider about the practice. Can't think of anything more at the moment. Good luck with yours. Schofields/No.3 S&W patterns have gotten under my skin and it seems I can't get away from them.
Mr. plowboysghost, it is really troubling that the cylinder gaps are getting so big.....have been interested in the Schofield for a while, however will be checking on that if I look for one. Do you know if other Cimarron products like the 1875 Outlaw have similar issues? Thank You and appreciate your focus on historic and traditional firearms instead of tacticool!
As far as I know, the issue was only with the S&W No. 3 patterns...and it appears they are either on top of it or getting on top of it. I can tell you from experience that .010" on a Schofiled is fine. .019" sucked. Thank you for watching and thanks for the kind words.
Congrats! I'd look for 250-255gr lead bullet stuff in std. pressure. Nothing marked "+P", but jacketed bullets/holler-pointers work good, too...I hear. I haven't bought commercial .45 Colt in several years, so I'm not quick on the draw with commercial loading suggestions.
10 thousands (.010) is still pretty large. I don't like gaps larger than 6 thousands. (.006). Are they all with this large a gap as part of the design ?
Cimarron likes to claim their offerings are built to a higher standard than run of the mill Uberti, Pietta, etc.but it's been my experience that there is no justification for this claim. Italian built to a certain price point with lots of room for improvement and fine tuning, also questionable metallurgy in some parts.
My 8" version should arrive next week. You are safe, although my beard is much neater, and much more grey, than yours I will not be doing a video to compete. All I have is a cell phone and the GF, and she is camera challenged. Keeps cutting my head off. I don't take that personal though.
Can these handle +p 45 LC or should I compromise on asthetics and settle for a model 29 if i want 44 mag levels of power? Getting my permit was a bitch and a half, i want my first pistol purchase to be the last one I ever need.
I would definitely NOT shoot .45 Colt loads designated "+P" or "Ruger only" out of a break top S&W No.3 pattern...or any of the historic replicas. There are deer falling to weaker "cowboy" .45 Colt loads out of a revolver, and standard pressure, yet full power .45 Colt is even more capable. You're really not compromising lethality with standard pressure .45 Colt. However...if you really want "magnum" power levels (and there's nothing wrong with that), then unless you want a Ruger large frame (Blackhawk/older model Vaquero...both of which can eat +P .45 Colt), you will have to pick another style/caliber. All my .45 Colt firearms are standard pressure guns only (except my Rossi 92 Trapper), and I'm just fine with that. I also have a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag and a 4" S&W 629 .44 Mag...for that Magnum itch. I am a BIG fan of the newer S&W 29's and 629's. I say that my favorite handgun caliber is .45 Colt, but I really(!) like .44 Magnum, too. If I were in really big bear/moose country, I'd be carrying a single action in .475 Linebaugh loaded with 400+ gr. bullets.
@@plowboysghost yah, kinda already knew that was wishful thinking when i first asked. What i want is a single action revolver (i have been using single shot shotguns for to long to get into the habit of using / checking any safety besides the cocking hammer) that can confidently take down a deer within 50 yards with one shot and also cheaply practice with using reloads. I want to try 45LC since it packs more 👊 than 38 / 357 and seems about as cheap to reload with real powder for practice, but i honestly have no idea if the standard 45 LC is strong enough to be a serious hunting cartridge. My brother told me that only an asshole would shoot a deer with a 150 year old cowboy cartridge and that i should just get a proper 454 Casule revolver instead, but i cant practice with a gun that shoots 5 dollar bills. TLDR Is there such thing a revolver thats both single action AND cheap to shoot AND powerful enough to take down anything short of a Moose in north america? Or should I first learn to crawl and start with a 38 plinker?
@@pinkhead6857890 .45 Colt in std. pressure form with a 250-255 gr bullet will kill any deer (shot placement dependent, of course) you can hit with it, but it won't have the flat(er) trajectory of .44 Magnum or .454 Casull. The original .45 Colt loading pushed a 250-gr bullet to 950-1025 fps out of a 7.5" revolver, and was Army required to be able to kill a horse at either 75 or 100 yards (can't recall which distance it was). That weight bullet at that velocity with a modern bullet with larger meplat can be even more effective. The age of the cartridge matters not. It can kill in 2021 what it killed in 1873....and it killed a lot. Case in point: the .45/70 debuted the same year, and no one can say that .45/70 is too antiquated to work. It's all a matter of what you want to do with it and how far out you want to do it. I've got .38/.357 Magnum guns, and though I like them, I don't favor either cartridge. I've had several .454 Casull revolvers, and I don't aim to ever own another. Though it is very potent, it is also high pressured....with all the blast and sharp recoil, but still a .45 caliber. If you want a replica sixgun of 19th Century design and standard pressure .45 Colt fits your needs, then go for it. Kepp your shot distances reasonable and it can take more than most realize. If you want more power and don't mind adjustable sights, get a large frame Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt. You'll have versatility enough to shoot cowboy loads for plinking (which can and have taken deer), std. pressure full power stuff for even greater capability, and .45 Colt Ruger only "+P" that can do anything .44 Magnum can and maybe a bit more. Of course, .44 Magnum is great, too. I can't recommend .454 Casull for a first handgun...and it really doesn't matter that you can fire .45 Colt from a .454 Casull chambered firearm, to me....unless I were looking to hunt huge game at longer distances. If .45 Colt std. pressure can't get it done, and .45 Colt +P can't get it done, then you probably needed a .45/70 rifle.
@@plowboysghost Sorry for the late reply, been real busy with the holidays and overthinking what you told me to make a decision. Ended up getting a .44 Ruger Superblackhawk after realizing that it might possibly be the only quality 44 handgun for less than $1000 or the outragious cost of an S&W Model 29. Cost me well over $100 in ammo to adjust those sights where I wanted, but it now seems just as accurate and definetly quicker to aim within 50 yards than any rifle. Definetly more satisfying to shoot than a 38. I still think the schofields grips, sights, trigger and everything else are much nicer than the Blackhawk. But getting a 45 LC just seemed pointless after reading what you told me. Same cost and scarcity as 44, and if I ever get into reloading the powercreep of wanting to go +p will probably drive me into buying a Ruger Redhawk anyway. The super Blackhawk has arguably the same power but was much cheaper, so I dont see any reason to have a 45 LC over a 44 mag. Hopefully 44 plinking loads can be loaded about as cheaply as 45 LC or 38 special once I collect enough brass. Appreciate all the info, happy new year!
You did that wrong. That "misfire"was due to the cylinder indexing counter-clockwise when you closed the top-break and the empty chamber was indexed one round counter-clockwise. At half-cock, the cylinder is not locked and will rotate/index freely. Meaning the hammer was on a live round and not on an empty chamber when you closed. Had it worked the way you thought it was suppose to, the first time you cocked the hammer, the empty chamber would have been under the hammer and would not had fired the first time.
For however many years I was aware that Smith and Wesson had a No.3 and that there was a "Schofield"...even into recent years after seeing "Unforgiven" more times than I could ever recollect since it came out in '92, even after watching Charlie Prince(ss) run his two Schofields, I STILL didn't care about them, or see them as "western". They didn't look "western" like a Peacemaker. THEN, after I'd owned seemingly(almost literally) two dozen Colt clones and got bored with them, I looked closer at the Schofield. ...then I held one....then I took it home. Let that one go for technical reasons, and couldn't go more than several months before i got another new one ...along with the resolve that we never more shall part in this world, but that it is most definitely..."western".
@@plowboysghost Specifically designed for the calvary. Although gunmen like John Wesley Hardin and Jesse James used the Schofield, the pistol never captured the imagination of the old west like the peacemaker. I suspect television and the movies helped cultivate the peacemaker mythos. I read that Wyatt Earp used both weapons during his time as a lawman.
A lot of what I've seen and heard online leads me to believe that the Uberti Schofield will bind up easier than my Colt SAA clones, with blackpowder. I might experiment with different lubes on the base pin one day and see if there's a remedy. Otherwise, I'm fine with leaving the bp loads for my Colt clones and my Uberti 1873 Winchester.
plowboysghost i posted a video illustrating that very issue with mine. On the other hand, Hickok.45 bangs away 4 or 5 cylinders of BP without any problems.
Being English I can't have a gun like that, so l have to settle for ASG 177 pellet firing replica, ( don't laugh ) l have a SAA Colt 45 peacemaker and a Smith & Wesson 44 Magnum.. By Umarex.. But how l would love to fire the real things. I have fired live rounds before, in the army cadets l was trained with the Lee Enfield 303 and the Bren Machine Gun..when l joined the army, l trained with the SLR 7.62 and The General Purpose Machine Gun in same calibre. I miss the sureness of a real cartridge knowing that if l aim it will reach it exactly where I aimed it. Not peter out of range.
@@montanamountainmen6104 I sometimes carry a strong side SAA clone AND a crossdraw SAA clone at the same time....to town. Don't see why two Schofields wouldn't work.
They were expensive in the day too, compared to the SAA. The action is much more complex and difficult to manufacture. Those same things affect the price today plus the limited numbers Uberti is producing, again compared to the numbers of SAA clones they make runs prices up. The ones that S&W produced a few years ago were even more expensive.
Sweet hogleg!... Looks like you did a halfcock then a full cock, I did that a few times myself .puts it a bit out of timing.
After I watched it over and over in slow motion, I've come to the conclusion that when I first started pulling the hammer back, I let it slip back down before finishing the cocking procedure.
As soon as I started back with it, it let the bolt drop, releasing the cylinder which was heavier to the left side, being that the one up top and to the right had just been fired, rotated just enough to the left because of my incomplete hammer pull.
The full draw of the hammer then found the hand behind where it had started and it then rotated the cylinder ahead to the chamber I'd just fired.
The key to avoiding that appears to me to be in a steady, full drawing of the hammer with no let off while the bolt is dropped....like I did on that shot.
The gun is as designed and not malfunctioning. It was user error.
@@plowboysghost my Schofield is on it’s way. Never had a S&W before so didn’t know about the free turning cylinder. Kinda bizarre that they designed it that way. But, thanks for the heads up on drawing of the hammer.
That's one of my favorite revolvers of all time. I want to get one in the 5 1/2 inch barrel Wells Fargo version. Thanks for showing it and I hope you don't have anymore cylinder rotation issues. Appreciate the info on the cylinder gap measurement too. That's something I wouldn't have thought to check. Take Care and Keep Shootin' !
It's about my top favorite, as well. It hasn't repeated the hiccup, which I was able to positively identify as user error.
I appreciate you watching and glad to hear from you again.
Half cocking, cylinder doesn't rotate to the next round. Schofields are awesome! Load 5, and close the action on the empty cylinder, or load 6 and close the action with the hammer/firing pin between the rounds. It's safe, and it works.
Such a beautiful gun, I love those guns
Thanks. I'm hooked on this design. If they cost what my SAA clones do, I'd own a few more of the S&W No. 3, too, but....
I just had to come back and see that Schofield Revolver in action. Hope You & Yours are doing Fantastic. Stay Blessed!
Thank you.. Glad to hear from you. Hope all is well with you and yours, as well, my friend.
I need to shoot that Schofield some more. I also need to get my newest Cimarron SAA clone and that '66 Yellowboy back on camera now that I took some off the front sights of each and have them hitting much easier, now.
Got to admit that I am a dyed in the wool Colt person with the SAA and cap and ball. That said, the S&W is a great design and great shooter.
Whew Plowboy! That's one sweet hawgleg! One of my dream guns!
I got a lemon the first go around, but it didn't sour me on them. There is just 'something' about this design that kept drawing me back to it.
Got a good one now, and it'll be mine til death do us part.
Just the sound of those guns is so comforting to me. I don't know why it is, it is strange. But that is just me, I guess.
Love the scholfield! Nice unit 👌 gonna get me one !
I love my Schofields! A prize possession is a matched pair of Reeder Schofields. A Russian #3, last a Uberti reproduction. Also if you are into the Era of adapting cap & ball to cartridge a Whitney dragoon is amazing, the company with the best conversion begins with K. (I don't know if I can say the name so Google it) you can also buy a completed conversion from them. They cover many of the black powder firearms.
Fairly certain you're talking about Kirst Konverter. I have a video up a year or so ago of a steel framed Pietta '51 Na (anachronistically) in .44 that I converted to .45 Colt. I'll end up converting another one, one day. The Dragoon's look great converted, so maybe......
I am hopelessly addicted to early 1800's to turn of the century. Trapdoor Springfield, 1878 with a late 1880's arsenal rebuild, a Peabody Martini 1876 (the Providence tool Co owned the Peabody patent, Martini was a Swiss citizen that ripped them off with the Martini Henry) mine is in the original .43 Spanish. It has a rack tag for the Massachusetts malitia but wasn't converted to 45/70. (A mystery there) an 1880 Snider conversion in .577. The hand guns are named above, and yes you hit the company right on the nose. I find the history to be important. The Snider conversion, by an American. The Martini Henry, by an American (ripped off by the Swiss guy Martini) the Allen conversion (the Trapdoor Springfield) by an American. America had a hand in at least the top 3 firearms of the times. A fascinating time in history. The Schofield and the Merwin Hubert were expensive but also the finest handguns of that era. Sorry this is so long and a bit off subject but the weapons developed were way ahead of the times. IMHO
@@hamm6035 Mid-late 19th Century is my favorite times period for firearms, too. My small collection reflects that, with very little exception.
The reason why the cylinder gap on these is so big now is because SASS shooters were complaining about not being able to shoot black powder. Without it, locking up the firearm standard gap of a smokeless power gun is 3 to 4
You still can't shoot bp through it without it quickly gumming up the cylinder on the pin....which is the real problem.
That's because the manufacturer removed the cylinder busheen when they redesigned those, and why would you want to shoot black powder anyway out of a cartridge gun. the clean-up is a nightmare
Very sweet pistol. I always loved that one.
I wish I had it back...
Nice looking piece with a good snap to it 🇺🇸
Thank you. I love a Schofield.
I carry a nickel plated 44-40 with stag grips 7inch barrel every day in a skeleton shoulder holster great carry gun, well great for me
Love your videos Plowboy.
Thank you. I was hoping a few of you would stick with me. Glad you have.
Hey PBG. How about a video on your gun leather...? I’m looking for ideas for a .44 SAA type with a 4.75” barrel. Sure would love to see what you use to tote round your beautiful pistols. Thank you.
You know...I've actually thought about doing a holster/leather video a few times. I am behind on videos right now, and i haven't bought a new gun since the Schofield...so I need something to do.
None of my leather is expensive or particularly interesting, but that I've found and tested leather from an inexpensive maker that works really well might be worth watching....
By all means protect your hearing. I just got home from having two hearing aids put in and tuned. So there goes my gun money for the next 5 year's.
Dangit! My ears ring 24/7 now, and have for years, but I figure it's more the music than the gunfire over the years.
PROTECT THOSE EARBALLS!
god damn this is content right here
Thanks!
My FAVORITE REVOLVER, Bar None!!!
hell of a shot and hell of a gun nice one, i hope i can get one o these when i’m older and they’ll have them ultra refined by then
Love the scholfied. But for hot loads i like my Blackhawks!
Definitely.
Man plowboy! Your killing me hoss lol. I want me one of them. I liked that one in the new 3:10 to Yuma movie
Yeah, I know what you mean. I bought the DVD and watched it a dozen times for the 1851 Navy Conversion Christian Bale uses in it, then a dozen more for Charlie Prince's Schofields.
Can't decide if I want a Charlie Prince replica rig or if I want a replica rig of Brad Pitt's in The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford.
Hickok45 did another video on the Schofield just a few days after I'd let the other one go, and I almost threw up. I sincerely LOVE this design and I'm thankful i can now get over the nausea of letting one go.
Hi Plowboysghost! Y'know I always thought my Schofield ran a bit dirty but figured it was the design. Saw your video here and bought me a set of feeler gauges. Mine's at .015 with the cylinder forward. I'll call Cimarron tomorrow and see what they say.(had mine a little over a year now). I draped a piece of bent cardboard over it and shot it (don't try this at home, kids) and doesn't appear to be any lead spitting, just a lot of powder residue.
My cylinder still gets plenty dirty at .010", but not as bad as the one i had that was .019".
BTW, I'm measuring it with the hammer down and no pressure on the cylinder fore or aft. Let me know what Cimarron says, if you don't mind.
I thought i was seeing a good bit of flash at the cylinder gap of yours in your video.
Cimarron's gunsmith quoted a 30-day turnaround if he fixes that issue under Cimarron's warranty....and they had the parts in stock a few weeks ago.
Thanks!👍🏻
Good looking weapon.
Thank you.
Wish they made an affordable top break double action with modern materials.
Oh man! Heck yeah. I'd love that AND reliable double action Thunderer/Lightning Colt clones.
@@plowboysghost Me too!!! I always thought the modern side swinging revolvers where a step backward. Not as fast to reload either! With modern materials and technology I think we could solve the problems associated with break top actions. But, unfortunately, with modern semi-autos there is really no need for them. (Sigh!)
@@MrDavidTiller Yeah, they call that "progress"..I don't agree....heheh.
The ambiance and feel of a revolver is great, but with a brace of .45ACP Springfield XDs I have 28 rounds before having to go for spare mags.....
@@plowboysghost it certainly was progress, there was a .44-40 double action, Model 3 variant made about 1883. This paved the way to other S&W revolvers that would become more famous, the various .32 and. 38 Top-Breaks, the solid frame, .32 and later .38 Hand Ejector, the great-granddaddy of all modern S&W revolvers made to this day which of course lead to the Military and Police Revolver of 1899 and various changes, particularly the third and fourth change which would be later known as the Model 10: the granddaddy of all S&W revolvers made to this day. Other than materials and size scaling, nearly all S&W revolvers are based on that model, introduced in 1899, perfected in 1902 with the cartridge it is well-known for: the .38 S&W Special. Other than the 9x19mm Luger/Parabellum, released later that year and the .32 ACP in 1899/1900, two of the oldest defensive handgun rounds still in use today.
Looks pretty good. I just bought a Cimarron 1872 Open top in 38 special. I agree, they are rather liberal with the tolerances. Made a video of shooting it. Not the most accurate thing but it was still fun. Love the T-shirt.
My Cimarron Man With No Name .38 'Conversion" is basically an Open Top....with the addition of the loading lever assembly and a drift-adjustable dovetailed rear sight on the barrel.
Mine's actually pretty accurate. It was near perfect all the way around when i bought it new. Hardly shot it more than the couple of videos i have up of it.
I'll check your video out. Thanks!
@@plowboysghost looking forward to your thoughts
Glad that I found your channel. I'm interested in the older firearms and have yet to get a Cimarron. I'm seeing quality issues in yours and other videos and it concerns me.
This Cimarron is good. My Man With No Name .38 Conversion is good, so is my nickel Pistolero and my Thunderball. Still got those and don't intend to let one go.
This Schofield is good. I figured out what happened with my 3rd shot in that cylinder not going off, and it's more inherent to the design than the execution, I think. Seems to me that I pulled the hammer back enough to get the bolt to lower, but if you'll notice, I kind of let off the hammer before finishing pulling it back to full cock.
The S&W No.3 design will allow the cylinder to rotate either way at half cock, and that's what happened...the left side of the cylinder was heavier with unfired cartridges and I let it rotate back at that moment of half cock, just enough to get behind the hand for the next stroke. It gave me the cylinder that was next at that point, which was the previously fired one. I've been able to replicate it a few times when I purposely let off the hammer around half cock on my way to full cock, and then go to full cock.
The key is to smoothly cock the hammer without letting it off near half cock. My bad.
I'll also add, that it seems to me that the main QC issues I've seen from Cimarron in the last year or so has been from Uberti built guns they import/sell. My 2 Cimarron Piettas are recent manufactured models and they are great in every respect. My MWNN .38 is a Uberti, but it's and Open Top .38, and I haven't heard much negative on them. Mine's sweet.
My Uberti 1873 Winchester is a solid work of art and functions flawless.
@@plowboysghost Thanks for the input. That relieves my mind a bunch!
@@PatRMG Just take feeler gauges with you to buy a Schofield...heheh. I did the second time.
Very nice!!
Thanks!
That's fun stuff.
I figured I'd do it one handed exclusively for a change. Looks better on video...unless i miss a lot.
I definitely have a Schofield lust problem.
Cool shirt, Gotta have one!
I believe that Cimarron has discontinued this shirt.
I bought it right after getting my Man With No Name .38 conversion in early 2017.
Nice partner!!!!
I appreciate it.
Sweet going to buy my self a speed loader
The HKS 29-M works great with .45 Colt and it's real fast for a Schofield tactical reload.
The OUTLAW JOSEY WALES method of reloading is faster.... in case you don’t remember or live under a rock, he carried six pistols visible and would draw another pistol with the other hand and holster the first one..... and kept going through pistols until bad guys were dead.
Reload casually when you’re the only living person in the room.
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ yea but who needs to carry that many guns this day and age if i need that kind odf fire power i would just carry my para 1911 with a bunch of mags
I do how ever not live under a rock as u obviosly do it was a movie dumb ass
I got my mind on one of those 🤪maybe 2 of'em? 🤔Debating on what Caliber, 2- 38spl or 2-45lc?
Make more videos. They're seriously enjoyable.
Plowboy, what was your trick for getting the spring back into the little slot on the thumb release after removing the hammer bar safety?
Gottdam that's a Good Looking piece! If it was a woman, I'd marry it!
Heheh...I hear ya!
@@plowboysghost That's one of the best looking S&W's they ever designed in my opinion. It and the model 29!
@@SierraBravo347 Agreed.
@@plowboysghost That thing looks like it would have a very natural aim point to it, like the Luger p08. You bring it up and it's just naturally on target because of the grip angle.
@@SierraBravo347 I believe it is a more natural pointer, but it takes a minute to get used to it when you've been toting SAA clones for a long time.
I'm looking into the western union model with the 5 in barrel.
Love your vids man. I'll do my research but is cimarron the only company that makes reproduction Schofields? Thinking Taylor's and uberti might. I'll look it up. Those handloads or from the box? Keep up the vids plowboy!
The Schofield that Cimarron sells, like Taylor's, is made by Uberti. Other than the stampings on the barrels, i reckon they are the same.
These are Lee .452-255RF bullets that I cast, over 8.2-gr of Universal powder.
Thanks!
I like your grips better than the ones that came on mine.....I'll trade you grips.....LOL.
I like these a lot better than my last one, too. It had lighter grips with no grain. I rubbed them with boiled linseed oil for hours over aa week to make them look better
Nice gun. Always wonted one!!!!.
Love your humor, buddy! I don;t feel threatened at all. Do you load Schofield brass? Not really much difference in my 45 Colts at high charges, but the lighter charges (4.8 g Titegroup) are noticeably more accurate in the Schofield cases than in Colt cases. (BTW, I hope to get my video this weekend of the 7th Cavalry Cimmarron. I've owned that gun about an month and have only shot it at an indoor range a few rounds the day after I got it.)
Thanks...heheh. Thought it might strike the wrong not to be aiming at the camera when i ask people to hit "Like" and subscribe.
I'm using .45 Colt brass and my standard (smokeless) load of a Lee .452-255RF over 8.2-gr of Universal powder that I use in my SAA clones and my Uberti 1873 "Winchester" with favorable results.
I look forward to seeing that 7th Cav Cimarron in action.
Nice revolver brother
Thank you, sir.
@@plowboysghost You're Welcome Sir
My normal carry is a Glock 19, but I just picked up a Cimarron No 3 in .38 because I've always liked the looks and feel of a top break revolver.
This is my first Schofield. Is there anything I should know?
I can't think of anything more than what I said in the video. I'm not familiar with this platform in .38, but I assume that +P isn't a good idea...however, I've not read about them in that caliber.
You may be able to feed it with a speedloader for a six-shot .38/.357 of some flavor. I carry my .45 cal Schofield from time to time, but I don't carry a speedloader for it often.
I pull the internal safety bar out of all mine, but then I'm carrying 5 in mine. I have tested resting the hammer between two cartridge rims with the idea of loading all six, and it works on the .45....don't know about the .38...or if there's anything more to consider about the practice.
Can't think of anything more at the moment. Good luck with yours. Schofields/No.3 S&W patterns have gotten under my skin and it seems I can't get away from them.
What model speed loader did you use there?
HKS for the Model 29 S&W/Taurus Model 44.
Don't look down a barrel when you have a misfire. Nice gun, always want one.
That's some sane advice.
He he.
@@plowboysghost l really like John hiatt with the album slow turning.
@@plowboysghost Tennessee plates are also great. I like!.
I'm dam lucky now!. O. Je.
Mr. plowboysghost, it is really troubling that the cylinder gaps are getting so big.....have been interested in the Schofield for a while, however will be checking on that if I look for one. Do you know if other Cimarron products like the 1875 Outlaw have similar issues? Thank You and appreciate your focus on historic and traditional firearms instead of tacticool!
As far as I know, the issue was only with the S&W No. 3 patterns...and it appears they are either on top of it or getting on top of it.
I can tell you from experience that .010" on a Schofiled is fine. .019" sucked.
Thank you for watching and thanks for the kind words.
I'm about to pick one of these up at a local store.
What's a good ammo I should look for??
Congrats!
I'd look for 250-255gr lead bullet stuff in std. pressure. Nothing marked "+P", but jacketed bullets/holler-pointers work good, too...I hear.
I haven't bought commercial .45 Colt in several years, so I'm not quick on the draw with commercial loading suggestions.
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So have you seen Ubertis outlaw and lawmen schofield?
Showed good Sence waiting for it to fire
Wasn't long before this video was made that I'd seen a video of a hangfire going off after the gun was on a table. That opened my eyes.
@@plowboysghost yea i had same issue with 338 lapua
Not to invade your privacy but I think I have been to your property before to install a smart meter on your home and you showed me your CVS 45/70
"CVS" .45/70?
10 thousands (.010) is still pretty large. I don't like gaps larger than 6 thousands. (.006). Are they all with this large a gap as part of the design ?
I don't think it's intentional, and I agree... .010" is too large.
Cimarron likes to claim their offerings are built to a higher standard than run of the mill Uberti, Pietta, etc.but it's been my experience that there is no justification for this claim. Italian built to a certain price point with lots of room for improvement and fine tuning, also questionable metallurgy in some parts.
I like Cimarron's markings/stampings better, but for the most part, they are still Ubertis/Piettas.
My 8" version should arrive next week. You are safe, although my beard is much neater, and much more grey, than yours I will not be doing a video to compete. All I have is a cell phone and the GF, and she is camera challenged. Keeps cutting my head off. I don't take that personal though.
Bought me a cimmeron 1873 saa and after Your scholfield video I was wondering what the gap from cylinder to cone should be?
Sirs, they are noted for not advancing correctly.
Were you able to address the .019 cylinder gap? Thinking of getting one.
I sent the bad one back to Davidson's (Gun Genie) since it was a Gun Genie gun, and got a new one that was within spec.
Nice
Can these handle +p 45 LC or should I compromise on asthetics and settle for a model 29 if i want 44 mag levels of power? Getting my permit was a bitch and a half, i want my first pistol purchase to be the last one I ever need.
I would definitely NOT shoot .45 Colt loads designated "+P" or "Ruger only" out of a break top S&W No.3 pattern...or any of the historic replicas.
There are deer falling to weaker "cowboy" .45 Colt loads out of a revolver, and standard pressure, yet full power .45 Colt is even more capable. You're really not compromising lethality with standard pressure .45 Colt.
However...if you really want "magnum" power levels (and there's nothing wrong with that), then unless you want a Ruger large frame (Blackhawk/older model Vaquero...both of which can eat +P .45 Colt), you will have to pick another style/caliber.
All my .45 Colt firearms are standard pressure guns only (except my Rossi 92 Trapper), and I'm just fine with that.
I also have a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag and a 4" S&W 629 .44 Mag...for that Magnum itch. I am a BIG fan of the newer S&W 29's and 629's.
I say that my favorite handgun caliber is .45 Colt, but I really(!) like .44 Magnum, too.
If I were in really big bear/moose country, I'd be carrying a single action in .475 Linebaugh loaded with 400+ gr. bullets.
@@plowboysghost yah, kinda already knew that was wishful thinking when i first asked. What i want is a single action revolver (i have been using single shot shotguns for to long to get into the habit of using / checking any safety besides the cocking hammer) that can confidently take down a deer within 50 yards with one shot and also cheaply practice with using reloads. I want to try 45LC since it packs more 👊 than 38 / 357 and seems about as cheap to reload with real powder for practice, but i honestly have no idea if the standard 45 LC is strong enough to be a serious hunting cartridge. My brother told me that only an asshole would shoot a deer with a 150 year old cowboy cartridge and that i should just get a proper 454 Casule revolver instead, but i cant practice with a gun that shoots 5 dollar bills.
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Is there such thing a revolver thats both single action AND cheap to shoot AND powerful enough to take down anything short of a Moose in north america? Or should I first learn to crawl and start with a 38 plinker?
@@pinkhead6857890 .45 Colt in std. pressure form with a 250-255 gr bullet will kill any deer (shot placement dependent, of course) you can hit with it, but it won't have the flat(er) trajectory of .44 Magnum or .454 Casull.
The original .45 Colt loading pushed a 250-gr bullet to 950-1025 fps out of a 7.5" revolver, and was Army required to be able to kill a horse at either 75 or 100 yards (can't recall which distance it was).
That weight bullet at that velocity with a modern bullet with larger meplat can be even more effective. The age of the cartridge matters not. It can kill in 2021 what it killed in 1873....and it killed a lot. Case in point: the .45/70 debuted the same year, and no one can say that .45/70 is too antiquated to work.
It's all a matter of what you want to do with it and how far out you want to do it.
I've got .38/.357 Magnum guns, and though I like them, I don't favor either cartridge.
I've had several .454 Casull revolvers, and I don't aim to ever own another. Though it is very potent, it is also high pressured....with all the blast and sharp recoil, but still a .45 caliber.
If you want a replica sixgun of 19th Century design and standard pressure .45 Colt fits your needs, then go for it. Kepp your shot distances reasonable and it can take more than most realize.
If you want more power and don't mind adjustable sights, get a large frame Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt. You'll have versatility enough to shoot cowboy loads for plinking (which can and have taken deer), std. pressure full power stuff for even greater capability, and .45 Colt Ruger only "+P" that can do anything .44 Magnum can and maybe a bit more.
Of course, .44 Magnum is great, too.
I can't recommend .454 Casull for a first handgun...and it really doesn't matter that you can fire .45 Colt from a .454 Casull chambered firearm, to me....unless I were looking to hunt huge game at longer distances. If .45 Colt std. pressure can't get it done, and .45 Colt +P can't get it done, then you probably needed a .45/70 rifle.
@@plowboysghost
Sorry for the late reply, been real busy with the holidays and overthinking what you told me to make a decision.
Ended up getting a .44 Ruger Superblackhawk after realizing that it might possibly be the only quality 44 handgun for less than $1000 or the outragious cost of an S&W Model 29. Cost me well over $100 in ammo to adjust those sights where I wanted, but it now seems just as accurate and definetly quicker to aim within 50 yards than any rifle. Definetly more satisfying to shoot than a 38.
I still think the schofields grips, sights, trigger and everything else are much nicer than the Blackhawk. But getting a 45 LC just seemed pointless after reading what you told me. Same cost and scarcity as 44, and if I ever get into reloading the powercreep of wanting to go +p will probably drive me into buying a Ruger Redhawk anyway. The super Blackhawk has arguably the same power but was much cheaper, so I dont see any reason to have a 45 LC over a 44 mag. Hopefully 44 plinking loads can be loaded about as cheaply as 45 LC or 38 special once I collect enough brass.
Appreciate all the info, happy new year!
Any opinion on the schofield Russiian Model 3 comparison
I've never handled the Russian model.
Wish someone would make the 1883 variant: basically a round butt, .44-40, double action Model 3 variant.
You did that wrong. That "misfire"was due to the cylinder indexing counter-clockwise when you closed the top-break and the empty chamber was indexed one round counter-clockwise. At half-cock, the cylinder is not locked and will rotate/index freely. Meaning the hammer was on a live round and not on an empty chamber when you closed. Had it worked the way you thought it was suppose to, the first time you cocked the hammer, the empty chamber would have been under the hammer and would not had fired the first time.
I Always favored the Schofield revolver.
For however many years I was aware that Smith and Wesson had a No.3 and that there was a "Schofield"...even into recent years after seeing "Unforgiven" more times than I could ever recollect since it came out in '92, even after watching Charlie Prince(ss) run his two Schofields, I STILL didn't care about them, or see them as "western".
They didn't look "western" like a Peacemaker.
THEN, after I'd owned seemingly(almost literally) two dozen Colt clones and got bored with them, I looked closer at the Schofield. ...then I held one....then I took it home. Let that one go for technical reasons, and couldn't go more than several months before i got another new one ...along with the resolve that we never more shall part in this world, but that it is most definitely..."western".
@@plowboysghost Specifically designed for the calvary. Although gunmen like John Wesley Hardin and Jesse James used the Schofield, the pistol never captured the imagination of the old west like the peacemaker. I suspect television and the movies helped cultivate the peacemaker mythos. I read that Wyatt Earp used both weapons during his time as a lawman.
I wonder how Black Powder will do in your schofield
A lot of what I've seen and heard online leads me to believe that the Uberti Schofield will bind up easier than my Colt SAA clones, with blackpowder. I might experiment with different lubes on the base pin one day and see if there's a remedy.
Otherwise, I'm fine with leaving the bp loads for my Colt clones and my Uberti 1873 Winchester.
plowboysghost i posted a video illustrating that very issue with mine.
On the other hand, Hickok.45 bangs away 4 or 5 cylinders of BP without any problems.
@@classicgunstoday1972 Reckon I'll have to try it and see. I've got some loaded up.
Being English
I can't have a gun like that, so l have to settle for ASG 177 pellet firing replica, ( don't laugh ) l have a SAA Colt 45 peacemaker and a Smith & Wesson 44 Magnum.. By Umarex..
But how l would love to fire the real things. I have fired live rounds before, in the army cadets l was trained with the Lee Enfield 303 and the Bren Machine Gun..when l joined the army, l trained with the SLR 7.62 and The General Purpose Machine Gun in same calibre.
I miss the sureness of a real cartridge knowing that if l aim it will reach it exactly where I aimed it. Not peter out of range.
Saw one with a 5 inch or maybe it was 5.5 inch , want it bad but its price was out of my wallets league.
Man, they are hard on the billfold...no doubt. That 5" model's look are growing on me. It would be sweet to have one in that length for crossdraw.
@@plowboysghost That was my thought too. That 5 inch would make a nice cross draw pistol.
@@montanamountainmen6104 I sometimes carry a strong side SAA clone AND a crossdraw SAA clone at the same time....to town. Don't see why two Schofields wouldn't work.
@@plowboysghost Sound like me. I carry my 2 Uberti 4.75 inch that way on a 1873 Prairie belt that holds 50 rounds. It is heavy but looks good.
@@montanamountainmen6104 I bet it does look good. Looks like FREEDOM, too.
Is that the model 3?
Might be to much bluing on cylinder catch
Why are those reproductions so damned expensive? I'd love to have one
Probably because only Uberti currently makes the S&W #3 reproductions currently. That may be part of it, anyway.
plowboysghost figures
They were expensive in the day too, compared to the SAA. The action is much more complex and difficult to manufacture. Those same things affect the price today plus the limited numbers Uberti is producing, again compared to the numbers of SAA clones they make runs prices up. The ones that S&W produced a few years ago were even more expensive.
It did not fire was a firing pin malfuntion scarey shit though
Savage junk