Cimarron "Schofield" vs. "American"
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- A direct comparison of the Cimarron "Schofield" revolver to the "American" from the previous video. Did the upgrades justify a new model back in 1875?
Again, thank you to jm-leather.com for the holster featured in the video.
Close up comparison at 14:30
• Cimarron No 3 1st Mode... for a closer look at the Cimarron American
• Schofield First Person... for a quick first person reload - บันเทิง
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Serious dedication wearing the same clothes for about two weeks straight. Along with an epic sponsorship from Ronald McDonald.
Even the smells are authentic
Gun oil via the Fryolator. Hence the enticing aroma.
@@triplefshooting I was playing some red dead redemption 2 tonight and there was a guy online named Ronald Mcfondled. Made me think of this video and I had to come back and comment it😂.
Thanks for the vid. Thinking about getting a Smith reproduction, why I watched. I have several Colt & Remingtons. It was stated earlier by others but the ONLY reason 45 colt was never chambered was because it was impossible with the nearly nonexistent rims on the original cases. It was also the only popular pistol caliber not chambered in the Winchester 73, 32-20,38-40, etc. As the rim was way to small. They later beefed them up. They are still thin if u compare to most revolver rounds like 38 Smith, Colt, 38 Special, The 44 Russian, 45 Schofield, etc. I love 45 Colt but it's still a problem even today with some guns, double actions and levers. Back when cartridges were new they didn't think an extractor groove and rim would matter.
I never knew that about the 45 Colt. I have a single shot rifle that likes to extract maybe 1/2 of the spent cases.
I have a 5 inch Schofield in 45 colt that I shoot 45 cowboy special and 45 Schofield black powder out of. I’ve been on Cimarron‘s waiting list for an American 8 inch in 44 special for a long time now. I’m wanting to shoot 44 Russian black powder out of it to be a little more historically accurate. Neat guns.
Like you said these reproductions don’t run as well with black powder like originals because of the longer cylinders and frames and they’re not being a gas ring. I noticed in shooting using shorter brass with less powder it allows you to get more rounds out of it. I can get about 30 rounds using 45 Schofield brass vs barely a whole cylinder when using 45 colt brass. Also since 45 Scofield has a much bigger rim than 45 colt it more reliably eject and I’ve never had to worry about a piece of brass getting stuck under the star ejector like 45 colt. I haven’t tested how many I can shoot until it fouls out and locks up with 45 cowboy special and black powder yet.
That's excellent information! Interesting that the shorter cartridge makes that much of a difference in fouling. I have yet to dive into the BP cartridges. I know I would probably love the experience but I'm terrified to miss something when cleaning and rust a gun. Had a bad experience with a cap and ball rusting when I was first starting to shoot them.
Good luck on the waiting list. Hope it come soon, I would love to hear how it handles.
@@triplefshooting yeah lots more nooks and crannies to clean on the schofield after black powder shooting. Q tips helps get in all the small things places and I pull it out of the safe every day for a week or 2 after shooting and look it over to see if any white corrosion is starting in a corner I missed. Colt cap and ball guns and saa clones are way easier to clean throughly with confidence. I only reload black powder. I will modern smokelss eventually. I want to shoot smokeless in my real colts not black powder, and I’d like to learn 45acp, 30-06 and .308. Just afraid I’ll blow something up because it’s way more sensitive than blackpowder. Blackpowder just make sure there’s no air gap between the powder and bullet. Use as much or little powder you want. You can use wads and fillers to take up the space. I have to see if my schofield clip is still up. I had tons of videos edited similar to yours especially about cleaning and reloading blackpowder guns. But youtube came after me and deleted most of them and gave me strikes. I was just at 15,000 subs. Now they’re going after duelist1954 for the same stuff. I unfortunately didn’t back up my videos so most are gone. If my schofield quick clip isn’t still up I’ll upload it real quick with blackpowder and hopefully it doesn’t get deleted. Glad I found your channel and am looking forward to future videos. If you haven’t already you should check out 11 bang bang.
@@soylentgreen7074 Thanks for the info and sucks to hear that about your channel. Duelist is another of my favorites to watch, hope that he can avoid the ban hammer. I'm mostly doing this because I love the firearms and history, but it is scary to think that at any moment videos can dissappear. Really appreciate the info and hope you still have some of your videos backed up somewhere.
I also shoot 45 Schofield BP through my Schofield. With a NOE hollow base bullet or the 454190 with spg and olde eynesford powder I am getting about 50 rounds before binding. The olde eynesford made a big difference for me.
Also on the waiting list for a 8" American 44 russian. Been waiting around 2 years.
@@f8green187 yeah still got my 44 special/russian 8” preordered as well. Got impatient and got a 45 colt just in case they’re never made and any caliber is hard to find at all.
I shoot mostly Old West replica firearms, and just happened to come upon your video here. I have a 5" barrel Schofield in .38 that I absolutely love (all my Old West guns are .38s). But I wanted to say you have a great presentation on the Schofield, and did an excellent job showing the differences between it and the American model. I am going to check out more of your content, as I am now a subscriber! Cheers!
Much appreciated! We try to have some variety in our choices, and some things are a bit more modern. But I still think my favorite guns are the old cowboy pieces. Can't say I hate the vietnam era stuff either though...
@@triplefshooting I recently began shooting more modern stuff, so I will appreciate those videos, too. (I also did a bit of Civil War and WWII reenacting , so I still shoot those guns a lot.) The Vietnam era rifles are pretty cool! I love the fact several companies are introducing "retro" style ARs with the carry handle. I don't know why, but I like the handles.
@joelphipps94 for me they are simply more appealing in the looks dept. That and it's harder to make them weigh 13 pounds with add on stuff lol. I've always been interested in reenactments, but with two little guys my time is stretched pretty thin!
@@triplefshooting I totally get that! I work ten hour days, and I have 6 kids (and another on the way!)...so my free time is pretty much family time, and family time is most important. Anymore I collect and shoot what I am interested in, rather than reenact. Plus, I am getting the wife and kids interested in shooting.
@@joelphipps21 I hope they all enjoy it! There's not much better than sharing a hobby with your family. Especially one that builds skills and values. Good luck to you. Can't wait till mine are old enough!
Very nice shooting TY for sharing
Thanks!
You handle that thing very well. I've wanted a Schofield in .45 Colt for about 15 years. I just can't justify the purchase.
Theyre definitely not cheap
@@triplefshooting I really like revolvers, but I LOVE derringers, so I'm happy with my two Bonds. Lots of fun to hand load for them. Double ball pyrodex loads are some of my favorites.
@@honorb4glory606 I've always wanted to shoot one in 45 colt just to see how rough it is. Thought about getting one for the cowboy action side match stuff. Never really had the chance at one.
@@triplefshooting with 3 inch barrels, .45 colt isn't too bad. It can get uncomfortable after 40 or 50 of them though. The 4.25 inch barrels soften up the recoil quite a bit. I'm a little biased though, since I like to fire hot hand loads. If you're looking to get one, I suggest an older model, before they put the skeletonized trigger and wide hammer on them. Quality control has gone down since then.
@@honorb4glory606 Thanks for the info! I'll have to look into it
Awesome videos, make more!
Thanks! Working on it, but 2 kids under 4 keeps it slow lol
Damn it the, "Ermahgerd Ferdrksberg" caught me the chuckles 🤣
I finally back ordered a Schofield version.
Nice. Good luck to you in a speedy shipment
Liked the demo ! Good looking rig !
Thanks! JM leather does good work
Elo . Thank you for this instructive vidéo 🖐️
Good video, thank you.
Thanks!
Thank you very much. Have a blessed week. New Sub
Much appreciated
Why are they putting in five bullets instead of six
The revolvers at the time had no internal safeties to keep the hammer from resting on a live primer. If fully loaded with the hammer down, a dropped gun was fairly likely to go off.
For cowboy action shooting, it is a rule to keep people safe for the same reasoning.
If you're going to shoot all six immediately after loading, it's no big deal to load all the chambers. But for carrying the revolver, five rounds and hammer down on an empty chamber is the way to go.
That's true, but when you put the loaded gun back on the belt. They fill it up in the footage and shoot it immediately. I've noticed that everyone does the same with the scofield model
@@edindemic5620 I loaded 5 in the video strictly out of habit. I really should have just loaded six given the nature of the drill. Some things can be practiced too much I guess
made by Uberti, but the price of Uberti Scofield is higher than Cimerron. Emmmm kind of strange
I've noticed quite a few original manufacturers do this pretty often. Odd that a distributor/importer can give a better price than you get straight from the source.
I coulda bought my buddys original no.3 in 44 american for $200 in the 80s but didnt because a part had been brazed. I wonder ware he & the gun are now that I've changed my mind. I got him a box of ammo & we did get to shoot it back then😊
That's awesome! I didn't realize ammo was still available all the way into the 80s
@@triplefshooting I had the 44 American ammo made by a custom ammo maker in shotgun news (he died not long ago) it's made using 41 mag brass😊
Was it possible to ream the chambers of the Schofield to accept 45LC ammo? Was the cylinder long enough? Could the S&W handle the pressures? What were the ballistics of each? Thank you.
Reaming wouldn't be necessary as both guns are 45 caliber. 45 colt couldn't be loaded in an original due to overall cylinder length. It could sort of be compared to 357 magnum not fitting in a 38 special gun. Same caliber, different length. I would imagine that the schofield would have handled the pressures of 45 colt for a time as they were not terribly different. Modern loadings of 45 colt can get pretty crazy, but a black powder loading of each is probably around a 1000-2000 psi difference. That's just a guess though.
Ballistically speaking the rounds were meant to perform similarly, with the schofield being just slightly less powerful than the colt.
I have the 5” barreled “American” model 1 and the lockup isn’t the best….even at full cock. In contrast my Colt 45 and Colt clones lockup really tight at full cock. Not sure if it’s just because mine is the 1st model or not. Great video!
Thanks! Hope you enjoy the revolver and the lockup doesn't become an issue
Love this gun,but its a shame you cant keep it fully loaded lol, think ill stick to my 7 shot .357s
thank you for doing this.
I'm so interested in one of these, I'm contemplating selling my Ruger Blackhawk to help raise the money. Thoughts?
I hate selling firearms for firearms but I would suggest just putting aside money and purchasing it when you save up for it. Just my two cents.
@MyWillypilly I never saw this comment until now. If you haven't already bought one, I'd suggest hanging onto the blackhawk if you use it for any practical purpose. These top break reproductions are a blast but not the most practical thing ever in a modern setting.
@@Jobey-sy2dk-Jobey So ya, a couple smith and wesson K frames in excellent shape came my way. I still would love one of these.
@@triplefshooting I bought the Blackhawk new, when they were more affordable. It's a 45 Colt version, so if it went bye bye I wouldn't be devastated. This seems it would fill the void and then some.
Outstanding!
El revolver de los caballeros 💪🏼
I like my 44american clone but can't fast draw with it like a vaquero or peacemaker.
Definitely not my strong suit! The wax bullets for fast draw are pretty neat when primers are actually available though.
Great video. Subbed.
Nice to see someone doing timed draws with a 7” barrel from a historical holster at targets farther than you can spit lol
Your starting hand position prior to draw keeps changing, from one sequence to the next. Even from draw to draw. That can and will affect your draw time. So, this test may not accurately represent how the gun performs. Otherwise, an interesting review.
Good point. I was struggling with going with a more competitive stance, or trying a relaxed "oh crap something bad now I have to shoot" approach. In the end I just bounced back and forth and look silly. Definitely not as scientific as it could have been.
Question for you or anyone who may know, I emailed Cimarron customer service, asking if I could special order a Schofield 44/40 and have a No3 44 Special cylinder fitted to it. Short response was..."No that won't work." No further explanation received...
Since they were both reengineered to fire 45 Colt/44-40, wouldn't the cylinders be the same, why would the No3 be offered in 44 Special and the cylinder not be compatible. Thanks if anyone knows, id appreciate it.
Would like to see u review a number 3 Russian with the spur grip. or at least give us a lesion in it too.
Would love to get my hands on one. It is definitely on the bucket list.
Nice video
Why go on daisy if yah do
Could potentially be your huckleberry
U Should Use .44 Mag Speed Loader's When U Do Reload's, Their Much Faster...
I've never tried it. Would be fun to see just how fast, and compare times.
This lok and sound that is more powerfull than the catleman, what you say about ? And i known that exists a 454 caliber colt saa, And i want known if exists a 454 caliber scholfield, can you help ?
As far as the original caliber (45 schofield) I believe it would have been just a bit less powerful than a 45 colt round. I don't think there are any S&W top break revolvers chambered in anything nearly as powerful as 454 casull. I don't think the frame could handle that kind of punishment
@@triplefshooting lok like can handle better than the catleman because that top frame extencion that goes along all the barrel, And i would like if you made a video or give me a link about the steels material and difrent caliber resistences, the metals, because i wanting to build a extreme caliber rifle like 600 nitro express remington rolling block, and a 454 revolver
@@Vo_d_kontra_o_norMAL I think the weak point would be in the lockup under that much pressure. The 454 max pressure is 65,000 psi, while the 45 colt is 14,000. We do plan to do a video over the ruger super redhawk in 454 casull as well as the blackhawk in 44 mag. I have seen many different custom jobs done to the ruger that go into very hot calibers. I know those aren't the top break you're looking for but I'm fairly certain that there are no top break revolvers currently made to handle so much pressure.
As for the metallurgy info, that's over my head and I wouldn't want to give any info I wasn't sure of.
@@triplefshooting at leats can you help to get the drawings diagrams and all stuff necessary to build a replica ? The models i searxhing for are, colt saa, lemat, volcanic poket pistol, specer 1871 rifle version, and rolling block, winchester hightwall, sharp
@@Vo_d_kontra_o_norMAL I don't build these myself and don't have access to any technical specs or anything. I'm just some guy that likes to shoot this old stuff, I don't work for cimarron or anything
I know this is going to be a weird question, but what is that style of pants you're wearing called? I wear suspenders but are limited to belt loop hook style and want a better work friendly setup.
These are frontier pants from scully. You can find them at wild west mercantile along with the suspenders.
@triplefshooting Thank you very much and thank you for responding.
Bonito revolver de acción simple puede ser de calibre,44
Yep. I've never handled the 44-40. I wonder if it would be more reliable on the ejection.
Always kinda liked the SW #3 I would want one chambered in 44 Russian but.... that would take 44 spl (if that makes sense) I already have a 1873 SAA clone chambered in 44 spl Which as most know is just a 44 Russian that is a few tenths longer cased. and.. the 44 spl did not come out till 1908 so I pretend the guns are 44 Russian LOL... Not near as fantastical as the 45 Colt chambered Winchesters and SW revolvers tho. I am a big fan of the 44 spl which started as a 44 Russian then grew into the 44 mag.. Both 44 spl and 44 mag are my favorite cartridges and I think guns chambered for 44 mag should not shoot 44 spl .. I handload so I can make mid range 44 mag rounds or +P 44 spl if I want
I agree that the 44 Russian/Special would be the way to go for as close to the real thing as possible. I ended up with 45 colt stuff since I reload for it. I do load 44 mag but had a hard time finding these guns in 44 special so just gave up
@@triplefshooting I too had a hard time with that. What I ended up with was the 1873 Colt clone by Uberti. I had to order it tho.
I would suggest getting a mic pack to wear especially when out near a range, alternatively in the editing process it might be worth adding subtitles for important details such as the gun name model etc.
Tried a cheapo and it added a non-stop buzz. Working on getting a good one though
I lost mine in Northfield Minnesota
Where did you get your cross draw Schofield holster?
It was made for me by jm-leather. I believe toward the end of the video I throw his name out there. The website is a bit out of date, but his work is awesome.
I Would Prefer The 5 inch Model...
I've never actually seen one in a store. Not sure if that's just around here or if they aren't made as much
I have one because I ordered it from the Cimmeron website. But that was before the logistics problems.
I wish these were more affordable😢
I enjoyed the video, well u looked the part,, but u are Slower on the draw than Lasses in the wintertime, if u get much Slower you'll grow roots like a tree. Thanks
Thanks I guess lol. Maybe one day I can be a ficus!