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- Confusion arises when a newly engaged couple bring their families together to meet for the first time but fail to be honest about the problems in their relationship. Two brothers on opposite sides decide to unite and take the matters in their own hands. (Original air date: March 30, 2019) Watch more Family or Fiancé on the WatchOWN app: bit.ly/watchownapp
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Black Wolf, dog Wolf, black wolf dog.
She's too desperate for marriage..too many single mothers because of women like her😢
This was hard to watch, I’m almost mad at amber for subjecting her family to this nonsense. Let alone herself.
Very hard to watch
and still planning the wedding and lets not mention the violent outburst @ 36:39
He is on drugs, he is such a low class human being. No respect, family values and ethics 0%. I respect his brother. He stand up to him. He is from a broken home, but have ethics and a sense of family values
Justin.... sweet tea
@@JJ-hs9ys I was abt to say..he's frooty
I commend his little brother he may have saved this girl life 🫶🏽🙏🏽
Did ‼️🙏🏽💯
Amen 🙌🏾
The silly girl is still engaged him and plans to move forward. She needs counseling
Yes! I was shouting at TV like girl please leave he definitely the type tht would I alive her🤦🏽♀️ She looked & spoke like a physically, emotionally & spiritually abused WM. His younger brother released good karma to return to him by doing the difficult but right thing to do. What most adults wouldn’t do. I was proud of the young man💪🏾🙌🏾🫶🏽
nope. she's still with him after all of this
He is a violent narcissistic sociopath. He’s so bad that EVEN HIS OWN FAMILY was openly telling everything and making it clear that he’s not a good person. His own siblings. His own brother was clear he would never allow someone to treat his sister like that! He knows she has very low self-worth and self-esteem, and treat hers like this because he knows she thinks she deserves it, and he uses violence to scare & intimidate her, humor to dismiss her, and insults to keep her down. She’s completely checked out, too. She had no emotional response because it’s happened so much and he beats her down so far that she has no emotion left to give. She’s blank in the eyes. She just sits there. It’s sad. Amber needs to get out because he thinks he owns her and hurts her to keep her under his control. This was insane. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an episode like this. He clearly has issues. It’s all a joke to him, because it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t care. He uses humor to dismiss people but also because nothing is serious to him. He’s sociopathic. She needs to get away immediately! This was absolutely insane to watch!
Thisssssss 👏🏽 👏🏽 !!!!!
Well said
I think he also uses humor and avoidance as a coping mechanism! He can’t handle it! Trauma responses. He is hurting and until he resolves it, he will continue to hurt everyone around him.
Whew!! So true.
Are you a doctor? Stop diagnosing. More so trauma
For his aunt to ask about her arm says everything. She knows he’s abusive.
Right!! She said it had been on her mind Smh. She knows! None of his family trusts him.
My thoughts exactly! The aunt knows he’s hit women before 😢
They’re TRASH 🚮 🗑️ and have KNOWN, Enabled and CODDLED his BS for years and He don’t even respect them either🙄🥴🤦🏾♀️ he’s like a wild animal and I’ve been in DV situations and her mannerisms and looks at him to get permission to speak are TELLING 👏🏾‼️💯 he’s been beating on her and this ain’t his First rodeo and that janky family of his already knows as well🙄
I knew he was abusive… before I seen your comment, I seen it in him and her body language. And I’m only to the part where both families just sat down.
Sis gave the worst possible excuse for it too. “I had heels on and I was mopping and I slipped” 😅 girl, is boo-boo the fool in the room with us?
The bride’s mother is Beautiful ❤️✨
Literally thought that was her sister at first
Very beautiful😍
Absolutely gorgeous and so poised!
@@rennyray11 facts 💯🌹
I said that to my fiancé. She is beautiful ❤
I’m terrified for Amber. If Justin is that unhinged in front of cameras, imagine how he behaves behind closed doors.
bad enough for her to end up with a broken arm 🤦🏼♀️
Absolutely
She should have listened to herself the first time. She said “I wasn’t feelin him at first”….. it was for a reason.
It’s that still small voice and women dismiss it every time!! God was tryna tell her something!!
@@curls4theworld Amen!
@Kimberlymeyon and is response was that he approached a group of girls and he wanted any one of them... thats not a very nice joke. You are so right, she would have listed to her inner voice.
Sad part is they have been together so long, shes been abused for so long she doesn't even know how to break free! The sad part is she couldnt even break down even when she found out he was cheating, because like the brother said shes caught him so many times...she numb and his behavior is expected. I know one thing i hate that the brother was a pastor and looking through those lenses instead of the Big Brother lenses!! Go tf off on the dude putting his hands on your sister!
"i broke my arm mopping the floor in heels" 🤔 girl no!!!! I'm so glad his brother is telling the truth.
I think it's kind of being embarrassed or she possibly could've felt ashamed to admit what happened to a room of people, especially considering she is still with this man. Knowing they'll tell her she has lost her sense of sacredness, self love and self PRESERVATION dealing with this man.
Reminds me of that scene in Madea when her niece said she hit her eye opening the cabinet. Baby, she better run.
Nobody mops with heels on
😂😂😂 that guy sucks
The fact that he is also ok with embarrassing her is crazy.
The way he shoved her hand out the way, really had my blood boiling. You can clearly see how violent and aggressive he is.
She needs to run for the hills, immediately.
Now imagine if the mother had turn her head back and saw how this lane dude just shoved her arm. That would’ve been a different situation.
it’s crazy she’s allowing it.
How the hell is his family so honest ...it's really nice ,they looking out for the lady ...kudos ❤
Kudos not gudos
I wish my husband's family was like this.
@@t.c.5456… seriously ?
I know her brother wanted to lay hands because mine would’ve
The younger brother Courtland has more maturity than the couple and has real integrity. God bless and keep him. The way Justin physically reacted to Amber publicly…imagine what happens behind closed doors.
How could she even deal with this man on a daily basis!?!?!?
Its an addiction. That's how. She has an addiction and its him. She needs a ton of therapy, prayer and fasting to break free.
If Girl you in trouble was a person🤦🏾♀️
Honestly shout out to justins family for holding him
Accountable and being honest with ambers family because
Clearly hes not! She needs to get out and fast. Such a shame he was there for her fathers passing but didnt think to include her family on a proposal?! Hes selfish,
Toxic, childish and overall weird. Lets not forget very clearly abusive. Snapping on her when she barely was even touching him?! The brothers coming together was great to see
Yes because her brother composed himself even though he may have really wanted to drag him across that pool table in front of all of them. Justin is a narcissist and a walking red flag she needs to run fast from that
He is a complete jackass & amber is very nieve, he's clearly a ladies man & very disrespectful
Amber is truly broken. They both need to be in therapy for themselves.
Amber I fail to believe that you had no idea or intuition whatsoever that Jason cheated on you.. his actions and behavior tells on him and it’s very loud. He’s a dangerous man.. smh
Absoloutely!! She is quite embarrassed by the fact that despite her best efforts everyone sees justin for who he really is. He is destined to hurt her really badly because she continues to enable and entertain all of his dysfunctional behaviour.
She knew she just embarrassed he introduced the other woman to his sister.
The brother said Justin gave a STD so she knows
@@huldah1605 Right! A STD is not a cold
She acted surprised when the sister called it out but then the brother said she been knew. I was like dang,it was so disrespectful when he continued to play pool. All she wanted was him to be honest and failed to do that. They still together which is crazy
Her mother is so poised
ABSOLUTELY 👏🏽♥️
I loooove it!
She is great. Know her personally. A might woman of God.
This is why domestic violence will always EXIST.... This women can't love this man she doesn't even love herself. If he HITS YOU HE DOESN'T LOVE YOU. 🤬🤬🤬
DV SURVIVER HERE YOU ARE CORRECT
*Woman not women.
But some women just want to be married, at any cost.
What is wrong with her.
Dear GOD please step in and let her hear your words.
He is controlling and he thinks everything is a joke, major red flags.
He hit her in front of her family. That’s crazy
Imagine what happens when they're alone.
@@nicolemontgomery3851 NOOTTHHHHIIINNNGGGGG
It makes me wonder how her own parent’s relationship was growing up. Why did she feel accepting abuse was ok??!! Something’s NOT right!
AND HER BROTHER, HER MOTHER, HER SISTER DID NOTHING! I would've took that poolstick upside his head bump any filming or show! How? How do you see someone shove your loved ones hand AFTER you just learned that they have been being abusive without you knowing AFTER you all just lost the supposed Patriarch of your family and do nothing? HOW???? Either the room would've been destroyed or we all would have left immediately before it all went down but these folks still sitting on the couch?! DYSFUNCTIONAL!!!! Stand for something or fall for anything. This girl made a trauma bond however she had rooted issues before her father even passed away to not be able to see nor hear all of the warning signs and red flags. People don't understand the depth an abusive relationship can take you too. You will LOSE all of your identity messing with a demon of this magnitude. Only prayer and fasting will get her out now.
I swear I was thinking the sameee thing! Like something is missing here abt her side of the family/her life and the origin of the acceptance of such abuse. Even her siblings lack of action to him hitting her, there’s something there.
Marriage doesn’t fix issues, it exacerbates them! And different doesn’t always mean better. This was sad to watch, honestly.
EXACTLY OMG!!!!!!
I am proud of the little brother!
Me too!
No
@@s_impeccable3872 why do you say no?
@@shalbec3232 Typo
3 mins in & the guy is a red flag🚩 hella childish 🥴
Girl I was 90 secs in!!! And caught the flags… crazy
I said the same thing
Shout out to Justins brother for speaking up no lie
I commend Justin's family for their openness and honesty. They were genuinely concerned about Amber😢❤
Kudos to Courtland and his sister for being honest. Justin doesn't deserve to be with anyone. My family would've jumped Justin and whooped his butt
I think she got Daddy issues…..
That brother, the minister, was ready to lay hands! No pun intended!
It’s crazy that couples who try and hide so much do this NATIONALLY TELEVISED SHOW
So true.
DEFINITELY an abusive relationship. SHE NEEDS TO RUN RUN RUN RUN cause he's definitely dangerous and can harm her AGAIN
He is abusive physically, mentally and emotionally...the jackass had the nerve to say she can get the ring but he has stipulations, she cant interrupt him while he watching games and she can't go through his phone.. what the hell! Run, run, run and run some more!!
It's now her own problem! She knows who he is..and his little brother told her! But she still will not leave him.
That is why she is distant with her brother. Poor girl
Exactly. Nothing good to report so she can’t say anything. SMH.
The little brother is the big brother. God bless him.
The fact that she's still planning a wedding with him! Girl, I'm sorry but you're also something else.
Courtland is just trying to be different from what he sees and knows. Amazing wisdom for a young man. Amber can't ever say "I wish someone told me". She received every color of red flag.
Amber's mum is a beautiful black queen 👑
She’s gorgeous
So elegant!
Whew chile!!! Not the family knowing you cheated and you’re nonchalant about it and then still didn’t even admit it!!! Then didn’t give an authentic apology!!! She deserves so much better!!
Amber is at fault too! She’s allowing the abuse and lying for him….
Maybe...she deserves exactly what she's supporting and allowing.
My grandma told me that you teach ppl how to treat you, they can't do no more than what you allow.
@@alvinahill7975A
To me he admitted immediately when he reacted to his sister initial allegations with “snitch” how someone a snitch if it’s a lie 😫🥴 yikes!
This is what settling in your 20's just to get married and have a man looks like.
It’s a shame that the excuse of not having a father in the home voids people of accountability. Knowing good character doesn’t come from a father but from responsible adults ( inside and outside the home) and the individual themselves.
Well said. 👏🏽 its just an excuse to mask bad character and toxicity.
Right!!! Everyone knows right from wrong.
Until you experience having no father present You are not allowed to make that assessment
Indeed.
It really isn’t an excuse and this is coming from someone he didn’t grow up with a father. I’ve met people in two parent homes who treat others terribly. It’s no excuse.
Just because you come from a 2-parent household doesn't mean you as a child are drama or trauma-free. Amber clearly has insecurities she needs to work through. I can't believe she is so deep in a trance that she could potentially be making her bed smh.
Her father passed
They've been together for years while her dad was there
she trauma bonded with him; same thing happened to my friend when her man passed another stepped in and played the hero-this new guy was bad news though but she couldn't see it because she associated him with her healing
Stop downplaying two parent households. Statistics even show children do better in two parent households.
Statistics is our point so obviously they re inaccurate judging by this very example
His family is very concerned for her. They’re afraid for her. I wish more families spoke out about this.
Him laughing at everything is diabolical. Lord please protect Amber!
The little sister totally derailed the whole convo bc she got in her feelings. They didnt even get to tell everything
Right! She told her story earlier.
Made me so mad
And the conversation wasn’t directed towards her
Yeah she jumped in for no reason. Should've just sat quiet.
She did it intentionally. Just like the aunt making excuses for him.
She is going to continue to subject herself to being abused mentally, emotionally and physically. She is so desperate to be with him that she is willing to sacrifice herself for the sake of being his wife. Her self esteem is non existent, she comes off as a very broken and delusional woman. Man has absoloutely no respect, regard or love for her and clearly his moral compass is broken or he just never had one according to his mother.
Welll said and let’s not ignore the fact that he swung on her in camera in front of everyone, unprovoked! Not that it would matter either way but it clearly shows how and who he is… so sad to watch. The only thing worse than spending 8 years with him , is to spend another second 🤦🏾♀️
Did you see how he pushed her hand away with so much force!?!? He's 100% an abuser, and if they've been together for 8 years, she has been putting up with that abuse for all that time. Smh. Domestic violence and any form of abuse are not okay!! Amber needs to run faster than a sprinter, and get the support and help that she needs to get the hell up out of that relationship. It's extremely unhealthy, toxic, poisonous, and dangerous for them to stay together. This whole episode was cringey.
Yea that was wild and nobody said anything. My jaw was on the floor so many times during this episode.
@@curls4theworld yes that was wild indeed. Poor Amber
Yea, seeing that was very triggering
Yes and them thinking of having kids makes it worse 😮SMH
I was hoping the brother would whoop Justin's azz😂
Me too but the brother had his ministry jacket on, how sad!!!
@@elaine21bok😂😂
Omg… she’s still deciding to move forward?! I feel bad for Amber 😵💫
If he’s lashing out like that with his brother in that car because he was calling sh$# out… I just KNOW amber is getting hands laid on her too. Sad.
Right.
She might be too scared to walk away
He is going to run her to the ground... marriage to him is going to be the biggest mistake of her life
She needs to leave the entire state they live in
I looooooovvvvvvveeeeeee his family for speaking up!!!!
Her mother was very classy. The groom is abusive AF run girl run.
I want to applaud the brother, Courtland, for speaking out about his brother’s abusive behavior. It can’t be easy but he has more integrity than his older brother. And he’ll have to deal with his family when the cameras are gone.
I am trying to figure out what about him is even remotely attractive
Seriously. No respect or honor, hot-tempered, immature, short...she can do so much better!
When you find out plzzzz leave in this thread 👇👇👇
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Damn Ambers mother looks like she just stepped out Wakanda... 😊
Black don't crack.. What a gorgeous lady ❤
It seems like Amber came to the show to get away from Justin safely and the codependency and trauma bond brought her right back ... I pray for her safety and strength and wisdom to leave
she's still with him. engaged and all
If she wanted to get away from him, All she had to do was leave
@@siahyoung6335Grow up.
@@siahyoung6335 when you’ve been abused its not that easy
She grew up with a father in the home and still accepts an abusive partner.
That’s what I’m saying they make it seem it’s much better to have parent in the home on her case she did but allows of this and no boundaries…I wish the therapist could’ve reached her.
This woman is naturally beautiful and for some reason she thinks less of herself and thinks she needs this man smh 😢
The fact that he's downplaying everything is a huge 🚩. Get out now! It won't get better.
He's not good for anybody. He needs help 911
Yikes. They’re still planning to get married? This woman is in trouble.
Huge trouble!
The question of if he did or didn’t break her arm is crazy.
Clearly this man is abusive, the whole family is suffering from trauma, abuse and its generational. Amber was seeking away out.. But the cycle of abuse is REAL.. Its sad, she may loose her life to this man's anger that clearly he can not manage... I am positive he must he using substance's to manage all his rage and pain.. What a nightmare :(
Amber is stunning she could be a super model. Very intelligent and well spoken, it appears she comes from a healthy and stable family, she can do so much better but she gotta be the one to believe it.
We attract what we are. She must have issues of her own that need healing.
She's not intelligent. Stop it! Intelligent ppl wouldn't still be planning a wedding
@@bohlalenchabeleng1370We DONT attract who we are. We put up with what we think we deserve. She may think she can fix him or that he will change.
The brothers understood the assignment
The fact that his family are bringing up DV, they KNOW he is an abuser. He has done it before.
Her family is appalled.
Her mum's face speaks volumes
Amber is in too deep. Justin is unhinged!
DV survivor here. I was a late bloomer and I was not able to see what red flags were and I am now 6 to 7 months post my old relationship. I’m now in the safe house. Currently thriving to get my own place soon in this wonderful DV program. But I see it I see all the signs I couldn’t see before. I watched shows like this to learn because when you have your rose color glasses on and then when reality hit shoe that you have to start all the way over like none of your family can help you like you experience. Also financial abuse It does something to you to where you don’t ever wanna make the same mistakes. Especially if you have a healthy family dynamic if your family has good intentions for you, at least listen to them and take time for yourself to reevaluate what God and your family and your intuition is telling you, but you cannot save everybody so even know it is him. It’s also her, allowing it. I also allow certain things in my relationship because it was something deep within myself you have to heal yourself.
❤
I want to know what happened in her life that caused her to stay in dysfunctional relationships. It really makes me sad for her.
We need a “Where Are They Now?” . I pray to God she doesn’t end up in a casket.
This dude act like he don't not give a single f. Run Amber!! You wasted 6 years, don't bind yourself to this mess
Yes!!!!
The lil brother is a real one ❤
The constant jokes.. would’ve sent me through the roof !!!! Like everyday all day?!
What did I just watch?! 😧💁🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️…
God bless Courtland. What a brave & mature young man. He put himself on the line trying to save Amber, both families & their friends a lot of grief, but Amber said - “Nope, I want to leave my abusive Justin in a body bag”.
I have zero sympathy for her at this point.
He is a narcissist. Plain and simple.
She plays a vital part in allowing it.
"your heart is not something to play with you need to love yourself first and foremost" wow. Amber's mother can swe everything wrong and is trying so hard to get her to leave before she gets stuck. She says it all in that one sentence.
A big shout to Justin’s brother for telling about Amber and Justin relationship which is toxic shame on Amber for still being in gaged and moving forward to marry that jokester
*engaged
Delulu is not the solulu
I appreciate Amber's mom grace! Both families see that they are not ready for marriage. This is a toxic relationship.
From the off, he was disrespectful. In the car, meeting the expert and his whole demeanor. He is a real punk. He made himself look stupid and her foolish.
His brother is ratting him out😂Lol ….good
They need Iyanla Vanzant.
😂😂😂
She was on ANTM, and he killed her self-esteem. He was abusive in every way, Physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
Question is Are they still together?
They are
"love is blind....and it'll take over your mindddddd" 🎶🎶 SHE NEEDS TO WAKE TF UP !!!!! frfr
Side note, she is absolutely gorgeous without makeup
I thought the same! She looked younger and fresh faced without the makeup.
Wow, I think people forget that it's ok to be single. Nothing is worth your life or your peace.
That push he gave her was very hard and aggressive.
There was to much that happened, enough to show Amber she would be making a big mistake. She needs to pray she doesn't have kids with him.
@godsdaughter6519 you are so right!
Girl! Been single for 13 years and counting.
I wish more grooms family would tell the truth about what kind of person he really is.
It broke my heart watching this. Kudos to his siblings for standing up for what was right. Her family as well. I am glad her mother held stern in saying "no". I am not standing with you if you are wrong in every which way. No judgment family or not. Hold people accountable. He is the true meaning of a narcissist and a jekyll and hyde. I pray she wakes up before it's too late. Praying for her. Blessings, love, and hugs everyone.
Pray she wakes up before she doesn't wake up.
Amber’s mom is beautiful …
Very telling that the brother and sister is exposing him it speaks to their morality, they even know its wrong. Amber's brother is livid and rightfully so, and the fiancée doesn't even care about her feelings. She deserves better and I hope she realizes that. They need to grow.....apart. This relationship is clearly not healthy.
He is horrible and very dismissive. He definitely is not ready for marriage. And she is not seeing ALL the red flags. I don’t know why🤦🏾♀️
Wow this was crazy.. I wanted to cry for Amber's family. Crazy how she clearly thinks her father would be ok with this.. Like what !! She needs to work on her self and leave that boy cause he not a man at all. Period
Wow this was so difficult to watch. I pray that she didn't marry him.
Talk about a chaotic situation. Amber's family love and cherish her, while Justin's family tolerate him. This couple need to break up, immediately. Infidelity, disrespect, violence, dishonesty, nonchalance and low self esteem = a toxic brew. A recipe for a disastrous marriage.
Amber you don't need your family's blessing to get married but you do need to open your eyes to the trash bag you've chosen.
Amber, would your late father approve of the way Justin treats you?
Her mother exudes pure CLASS
Omg!!!! Somebody help her! She’s screaming for help! This is a very dangerous situation that has been brewing for years! 8 years and the family doesn’t know him? His own brother is trying to save her! My God!
He doesn't love her, he loves that he can control her.
I’m confused about why marriage is still a discussion, cheating. Done. Abuse. Definitely done. There’s no more talking. I see why she didn’t tell her family about her!
That’s the type of brother you should want and have.
Boffum. The siblings were real
Omg he is a narcissist, Amber he is not joking around he is a psychopath. There is something wrong with him, her family needs to save her.
This episode was so tough to watch. It's so sad how the numbness that comes from grief can make someone let someone violate them in this manner. Amber is in real trouble.
All this time I'm just mad at this girl, I mean why are you still choosing this???
Amber , his lil sister and brother had absolutely nothing good to say about Justin. He never smiles genuinely and he doesnt look happy. He does whatever he wants. And wants nobody to question him. He will continue this behavior for another 8 yrs. She grew up being a daddy's girl . But she knows her father would not want a boy like justin as a son in law. Hope amber remains safe.
She deserves all the heart break she has coming. We don’t need to support this behavior. Anyone that goes to their wedding doesn’t love them and should be ashamed of themselves. I pray she doesn’t get hurt before she realizes she’s a beautiful person and deserves ❤
The next stop after her wedding will be the casket...
She doesn't deserve that demòn, demòns come in & have a chokehold on ppl