The US Adopts A Maxim: The Colt Model 1904

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    The US Army spent nearly 16 years languidly testing the Maxim gun, but was never willing to actually make a decision until a final trial in 1903 finally settled the matter. The Maxim was deemed the best available machine gun and a contract was signed with Vickers, Sons, & Maxim to purchase 50 (later increased to 90). Eventually a total of 287 were procured; 90 from VSM and a further 197 made by Colt in the US. The first British guns were chambered for .30-03, with the Colts all made for the later .30-06 (and the VSM guns updated to that standard).
    The Model 1904 was the heaviest Maxim gun ever made, weighing in at 62 pounds for the gun and another 80 for its tripod. Despite excellent reliability and durability, it was so heavy and unwieldy that it was pretty universally hated by American soldiers. The final order for 1904 Maxims was placed in 1908 and jut the following year the M1909 Benet Mercie light Hotchkiss pattern was was adopted. By the time World War One arrived, half the Maxims had already been relegated to long-term storage. They were pulled out of the warehouses for training troops prior to their deployment to Europe, but they never saw any more significant military use.
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ความคิดเห็น • 514

  • @jakebeller934
    @jakebeller934 ปีที่แล้ว +542

    I never thought, in my entire life, I would hear about a Maxim gun in black powder .45-70

    • @akaJughead
      @akaJughead ปีที่แล้ว +65

      The first smoke machine 🤪

    • @capt.bart.roberts4975
      @capt.bart.roberts4975 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      A friend did a dissertation on the early history of Maxim Machine Guns. But I'd never heard of one in blackpowder, at all!

    • @TheEpictrooper
      @TheEpictrooper ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Can you imagine how gunked up it would get? I wonder how many rounds it could handle before just getting so gummed up something just stops. XD

    • @TheOriginalFaxon
      @TheOriginalFaxon ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@TheEpictrooper This is indeed exactly why nobody really was able to make a functional machine gun, or really any non-revolving repeating firearm, until the invention of smokeless powder

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheOriginalFaxon
      There ought to be an experiment with an AR15 firing black powder loaded cartridges....
      Take bets on how many shots before it is disabled by crud.....

  • @chpet1655
    @chpet1655 ปีที่แล้ว +451

    Yes yes indeed my wife and I are also very willing to adopt a Maxim or two. We’re a very loving family and bringing even several Maxims into our family has always been a dream.

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That would be very confusing.
      How will you separete them when needed? Are you just call them Maxim1, Maxim2 or something more subtle like Max and Maximillian?

    • @alexsoklakov7454
      @alexsoklakov7454 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@XtreeM_FaiL by last two digits of number

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexsoklakov7454 That makes sense.

    • @ricardoM113
      @ricardoM113 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Por que sera que hacen comentarios tan ESTÚPIDOS. Es una pagina seria sobre armas y esta ametralladora es un exponente absoluto de Hiram Máxim sin dejar atras al gran fabricante que es COLT. Hay gente que da lastima. Saludos desde Uruguay.

    • @rantanen1
      @rantanen1 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@ricardoM113 your own comment contributed absolutely nothing to this video. At least his made a few people smile, yours is a waste of space.

  • @kowell
    @kowell ปีที่แล้ว +522

    The ammount of solid brass is mind boggling. The brass ID plate alone is more intricate and probably more expensive to manufacture than a whole modern gun

    • @johndallman2692
      @johndallman2692 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      That ID plate is easy. It's just a casting, with all the lettering as part of the mould.

    • @19Koty96
      @19Koty96 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I'm quite sure that would be done as a casting. Not too expensive to make.

    • @azkrouzreimertz9784
      @azkrouzreimertz9784 ปีที่แล้ว

      ^

    • @sejembalm
      @sejembalm ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I would hate to be the trooper who has to polish all that brass all the time.

    • @zachblack7080
      @zachblack7080 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@sejembalm I would love to be the trooper who had to polish all that brass all the time

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon ปีที่แล้ว +71

    On some level, I have to admire the pure blind confidence it takes to receive a tech package for a machine you've never seen before, look it over, and decide, "Well, all these tolerances are _wrong._ Must have used Budge, I don't know why they keep reprinting his books."

    • @MrJest2
      @MrJest2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ...and a complete lack of understanding of gunsmithing. In a military man!!

    • @williamromine5715
      @williamromine5715 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It's "government think". If the department merely approves the specs, someone might start wondering if the department is even needed, and shut the place down to save money for taxpayers. We can't have that, can we?

    • @nomadmarauder-dw9re
      @nomadmarauder-dw9re 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@williamromine5715go to Dracheninfil for the saga of the Mark 14 torpedo.

  • @gerardoramoncesarreynaldo9469
    @gerardoramoncesarreynaldo9469 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    In "The Wild Bunch" the machinegun was supposed to the 1904 but the props people couldn't find one in working order. So the M1917 Browning in that movie represents the 1904.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  ปีที่แล้ว +113

      Neat! I didn't know that.

    • @1TruNub
      @1TruNub ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It makes sense with The movie taking place in 1913, I always find interesting those movies that take place in the first 2 decades of the 20th century with clash of the old west versus the New century and new technology

    • @Oct14cya
      @Oct14cya ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And to think at the beginning of the 20th century they hooked up an electric motor to a Gatling gun getting the rate of fire up to 3000 rpm. It was ignored. Imagine those being used in WW1 during trench warfare.

    • @TheOriginalFaxon
      @TheOriginalFaxon ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Oct14cya That'd be roughly the same as the effect on target than an M134 minigun has today, only more difficult to feed properly since the feeding system that the M134 uses, took a lot of development work to get functional. I can see why they opted not to put them on the front lines in WW1, rotary machine gun tech just wasn't quite there yet for that kind of front line service, except in extremely niche emplacements like on top of old school forts with gun ports and shit.

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheOriginalFaxon They could always have put on a reduction gearing system to drop the RoF to a reasonable 1000RPM...

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The wheeled carriage would be pretty much essential to sell that weapon to anyone who did not have a personal staff of weightlifters.

    • @jmjedi923
      @jmjedi923 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Imagine hitching it up to a truck

    • @parrotraiser6541
      @parrotraiser6541 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jmjedi923 OK on grass, but imagine the noise on concrete.

  • @Chaddlee
    @Chaddlee ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Nice to see military thinking hasn't changed much. "How can we make it heavier?" "Solid brass on the handles, not hollow?" "I love it, actually fill the gaps with lead."

  • @Spaceman404.
    @Spaceman404. ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Wait, there was a Maxim in .45-70 with blackpowder? You have certainly caught my attention.

    • @felipeaugusto2600
      @felipeaugusto2600 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Talk about a cleaning nightmare.

    • @Edge_Boye
      @Edge_Boye ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@felipeaugusto2600 it has built-in concealment measures

    • @JeffBilkins
      @JeffBilkins ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Can you boil the cooling water before the gun fouls up?

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@JeffBilkins You better had, or how else will you get the boiling water for a brew in the field, doncha know.

    • @AndrewAMartin
      @AndrewAMartin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JeffBilkins hot soapy water does wonders on black powder residue...

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    John Henry "Gatling Gun" Parker wrote the US Army's first machine gun book after the Battle of San Juan Hill--Parker had experience with both the Gatling gun and the Colt M1895.
    Thanks for the interesting Maxim Model 1904 history.

  • @vaclavholek4497
    @vaclavholek4497 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    As a Manufacturing Engineer, with a background as a Machinist, I'm smacking my forehead, 🤦with the tolerances!

    • @shaunbrennan5281
      @shaunbrennan5281 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Machinist here…..same!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Right?

    • @firstconsul7286
      @firstconsul7286 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even just coming from a family who runs a machine shop, despite not knowing much or being very involved in it, I'm baffled at the random changes.

  • @RtCarolina
    @RtCarolina ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I had the opportunity to renovate a pre-depression era estate in Litchfield County Connecticut that had a cellar shooting range in the main house. The walls were peppered with .38 and .32 rounds. There was even an old rusty spinner target still cemented into the floor.

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the good ol' days!

  • @TheLastGreatDon
    @TheLastGreatDon ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So interesting. The beeping in the background kicked on my "did I leave the fridge open" panic response but it was very informative!

  • @danliberty734
    @danliberty734 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    It has historically always been hard to get the US Army Ordinance Division to adopt new technology. New technology means new logistics to supply the weapon and ammunition to the troops in the field. Too many officers who didn't understand the technology had their fiefdoms and didn't want to surrender their power to someone else.

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A feature not only seen in US Service!

    • @warshipsatin8764
      @warshipsatin8764 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you could say that about literally any military throughout history though

    • @danliberty734
      @danliberty734 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@warshipsatin8764 True that.

  • @exharkhun5605
    @exharkhun5605 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You can see it's an early model because there's only a single machinegun on a carriage that can easily fit 6 guns, excluding 2 firing to the rear and 1 for anti-aircraft work and general target plinking.

  • @tbthegr81
    @tbthegr81 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Solid brass handles must be nice to use in the winter...

  • @Dafmeister1978
    @Dafmeister1978 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    So, am I understanding this correctly? For a period of nearly 20 years, the only men in the US Army willing to make actual decisions about the adoption of a machine gun were a group of Ordnance Dept draughtsmen who thought it was a good idea to give changed tolerances on a Maxim gun design to Hiram Maxim and the god-tier weapons manufacturer he'd teamed up with?

    • @gerardlabelle9626
      @gerardlabelle9626 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It’s mind boggling! The British had used the Maxim all over the world in colonial wars, with great effect and reliability. I think Ian said that in the US trial it fired 20,000 rounds? What problem was the new tolerances meant to solve? Or the super heavy barrel…in a water-cooled jacket?

    • @lancerd4934
      @lancerd4934 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Just wait until you find out what the US army ordnance corps did to Eugene Stoner's designs, or the NATO standard caliber/rifle program. This kind of thing was a running theme with the ordnance corps.

    • @Dafmeister1978
      @Dafmeister1978 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lancerd4934 Oh, I'm still holding a grudge over the EM-2. And how someone didn't end up on the end of a rope or in front of a firing squad for the shithousery employed in the deployment of the M-16 is still a mystery to me.

    • @firstconsul7286
      @firstconsul7286 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's US Ordinance for you

  • @Sam21721
    @Sam21721 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As an aerospace machinist, I absolutely cringed hearing about the US Ordinance designers going through and arbitrarily changing tolerances like that. For anyone that hasn't had the pleasure of dealing with something like this, -.003 of an inch doesn't seem like much but fitment wise in can make a huge difference especially with something critical like guide rails for a bolt or pressure bearing surfaces.

    • @akaroth7542
      @akaroth7542 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      .003" tolerance range back then was def a pain. Pretty amazing how precise we can be now, as long as the engineers don't overdesign and inspection can inspect at least as well as a machinist : )

  • @TheLilKon
    @TheLilKon ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Crazy to think there are variants of maxims on the battlefield today

    • @discerningscoundrel3055
      @discerningscoundrel3055 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It isn't the sort of thing we'd build today, but if you've got one, it's a really good option for mounting on a pickup truck or similar. It's exceptionally reliable, there isn't any need to worry about barrel changes, and if it's a 1910 Russian Empire/Soviet Union example then it comes with a shield to protect the gunner and it takes the same ammunition that a bunch of other guns that are still in service use. In parts of Ukraine where the frontline's still roughly where it's been for eight years, there's a lot of well dug in positions where mobility isn't so important, but the shield and the reliability are both useful, and on a pickup truck the weight stops being a problem.

    • @maineiacman
      @maineiacman ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Being able to fire continuously as long as someones feeding it is never going to be obsolete.

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Y’all saw the one (might have been a dual mount) with an EOTech in Ukraine?

    • @CHMichael
      @CHMichael ปีที่แล้ว

      There are ? Battlefield not some Asian jungle.

    • @jd_the_cat
      @jd_the_cat ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@CHMichael Ukraine.

  • @robdgaming
    @robdgaming ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A little bit about the US Army's coast defense program 1885-1906: In 1885 the Endicott Board recommended a vast new system of guns, mortars, and mines for harbor defense at over 25 harbors, in permanent, fixed defenses. Most of this was eventually implemented. However, it being peacetime, progress was slow, especially as everything had to be designed from scratch. By the Span-Am War of 1898, only a few weapon emplacements had actually been completed and armed. The fear that the Spanish (or anybody else) could bombard US ports pretty freely caused a major acceleration of funding and construction. The program was substantially complete by 1906, and the Coast Artillery Corps was formed in 1907 to garrison the forts from existing coast artillery units. Significant consideration was given to land defense at a few forts early in the program; somehow this interest waned circa World War I. Some mobile 6-pounder guns were acquired circa 1898, and later these machine guns. I'd say that from 1899 through the US entry into WWI in 1917, the coast artillery was the Army's top funding priority.

  • @AutomaticHandguns
    @AutomaticHandguns ปีที่แล้ว +220

    When I was a child I wanted to believe Maxim magazine was named after Hiram. Designer magazine for gun manufactures and how they dress.

    • @strongback6550
      @strongback6550 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      But a Maxim is a belt fed gun

    • @chrisreedy5577
      @chrisreedy5577 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@strongback6550 … Named after the guy who designed it Hiram Maxim…

    • @landonjackson9377
      @landonjackson9377 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@strongback6550 it was designed by Hiram Maxim

    • @rediius
      @rediius ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@strongback6550 Ha, ha, ha. That's a dad level joke right there.

    • @SwampyMusic
      @SwampyMusic ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I do remember seeing the occasional "babes with guns" callandars back in the day ('90's)

  • @zstewart
    @zstewart ปีที่แล้ว +154

    Imagining the engineers at Vickers seeing the American draftsmen screw up their carefully specified dimensions and just going "wow, the American military is run by idiots".

    • @technus6187
      @technus6187 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I'm just astral projecting through time imagining how baffled the chief engineer must have been when he got back the plans that he was expecting to just get rubber-stamped and instead it's copies with revisions on them.

    • @dmg4415
      @dmg4415 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think many military organizations are suffering from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome that makes them do things like that, just interfering with a well designed gun. But sometimes it helps, the Parker Hale sniper rifle that the Swedes had input to and it was as success as the AW version, the FNC which after evaluation in Sweden got some modifications and became the Ak5, a robust system that works well in the North. The Hellfire missile converted to coastal Defence. The F-104 which the Germans got right in the end.

    • @ScooterFXRS
      @ScooterFXRS ปีที่แล้ว

      American military, where the influential wealthy placed their lack luster offspring to keep them from mucking up the family business.

    • @dmg4415
      @dmg4415 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ScooterFXRS Or as in the Imperial British Army, in the older days, You could buy a Officers Commission, probably with the same reasons the wealthy Americans did send their non so productive offspring, but if they had to start at the bottom, they probably learned something on the way up.

    • @Spurdospaerde692
      @Spurdospaerde692 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dmg4415 H&K G3 --> Ak4
      FNC --> Ak5

  • @anoninunen
    @anoninunen ปีที่แล้ว +11

    .30-03 is 220grain lead, 45grain powder, ~13gram brass, X3000= ~106 pounds of dakka
    Adding 142 pounds of shoota, and guessing 100 pounds in the truk wheels alone, for 348 kerb weight
    Now, A bushmaster 25mm is 262 pounds, with a 70 round ready-box is ~333 pounds

    • @M8Military
      @M8Military ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you have a stroke?

    • @AR15andGOD
      @AR15andGOD ปีที่แล้ว

      love me some kerbs

  • @kirkmorrison6131
    @kirkmorrison6131 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    His, son Hiram Percy Maxim invented the Silencer because his father went deaf perfecting the Maxim Machine gun.

    • @dense_and_dull
      @dense_and_dull ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He is credited with inventing and marketing the first silencer, but the idea came to him because he wanted to fire his guns without disturbing his neighbors. A simple Google search can corroborate that claim.

    • @Woodrow512
      @Woodrow512 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dense_and_dull pretty sure he isnt serious about the reason why he got the idea, think it's just a bit of a joke because Maxims are loud, and I mean LOUD

    • @dense_and_dull
      @dense_and_dull ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Woodrow512 A machine gun, loud?! Who would have ever thought? I think you may be onto something here...

    • @kirkmorrison6131
      @kirkmorrison6131 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dense_and_dull a bio I read had his father's deafness first neighbor second

    • @Woodrow512
      @Woodrow512 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dense_and_dull spare me the sarcasm, there are degrees of loudness, and while yes all machine guns are loud, the Maxim is loud even for a machine gun

  • @krissteel4074
    @krissteel4074 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I don't care if its heavy, that metalwork is a thing of beauty

    • @justindunlap1235
      @justindunlap1235 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There's just something about brass parts that just look gorgeous on certain guns

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are touching upon something important to FW, and us. It is industrial art. It is a beautiful creation of human hands. Outside of its purpose. Fine Arts accept certain models, and restricted mediums. Ordinary people can see the effort and creativity of everyday objects.

  • @AllAboutSurvival
    @AllAboutSurvival ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love to see a Maxim gun in person. Never had the chance to see one

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen a couple of Vickers machine guns - the UK's version of the Maxim - and they're impressive things. Very, uh, industrial. BIG chunks of steel, all overbuilt.

  • @Ohfiveeightteen
    @Ohfiveeightteen ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Maxim guns have to be my favorite firearms, Would be great if you did more videos on different variants of it!

  • @AGS363
    @AGS363 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Colt Model 1904: Who are you?
    08/15: Ich bin du, aber tragbar.

  • @od1452
    @od1452 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I started my Army career , I was offered a TOW gunner position... I had visions of lugging around TOW rounds and the rest of the kit... ( No body told me they were mounted on M 151s 1/4 Ton truck ...haha ) .. I went for Leg Infantry... although I later became a M60 gunner.

  • @DarkestVampire92
    @DarkestVampire92 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd love to see what the guy who decided on the one-inch barrel had to say when the Central Powers were mowing down the french and british with half-inch barrels, non stop, day and night, for months.

    • @DarkestVampire92
      @DarkestVampire92 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thecommissaruk True. But the success of the Maxim machine gun must've been big news in American newspapers.

  • @monroetoolman
    @monroetoolman ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Maxim Gun. An outstandingly reliable weapon.
    US Ordnance Board: "No... no, we need to change all that."

  • @Glock20SF10mm
    @Glock20SF10mm ปีที่แล้ว +5

    21,000 rounds. That's a nice day at the range.

  • @TheGearhead222
    @TheGearhead222 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The more I learn about general Crozier and the US Army WWI ordnance department, the better I understand why the Chau-Chau was adopted over the Lewis, the Maxim was never fully embraced by the US military and why US small arms designs prior to and during WWI were sadly lacking-John in Texas

  • @Outstralian
    @Outstralian ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I think the US Army needs to bring back wagon-wheel based weapons.

    • @MetalGearRisingRevengence
      @MetalGearRisingRevengence ปีที่แล้ว +7

      We also need water cooled machine guns since it's still ripping people apart to this day, even in Ukraine.

    • @kowell
      @kowell ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Everyone needs a wagon-wheel manualy crancked machine gun in their lives

    • @tattoos9246
      @tattoos9246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MetalGearRisingRevengence why? They are pointless and are only used today due to desperation

    • @landonjackson9377
      @landonjackson9377 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tattoos9246 pretty sure it’s a joke

    • @PadraigTomas
      @PadraigTomas ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kowell Unfortunately this is a fully automatic gun, not a Gatling gun.

  • @Sakkura1
    @Sakkura1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    9:31 How does 6 cans of 250 rounds add up to 3000 in total? Seems like 1500 to me.

  • @TheWarmotor
    @TheWarmotor ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Look at that muzzle booster! Very cool, not used to seeing that on a Maxim :)

  • @Law0086
    @Law0086 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it when the rear sight is held down by one screw that wears in such a way that it loses its accuracy after 2 adjustments.

  • @paidwitness797
    @paidwitness797 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Forgotten weapons should always have copious amounts of brass!

  • @marcelpfeiffer6587
    @marcelpfeiffer6587 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Hi Ian, great presentation. 6 times 250 rounds makes for me 1500 rounds, I guess

    • @Lambdadelta-kyo
      @Lambdadelta-kyo ปีที่แล้ว

      There's six ammo cans on each side of the gun on the carriage mount.

    • @oliverschurr46
      @oliverschurr46 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Lambdadelta-kyo Those ammo cans do not fit 6 apiece on each side, the mount is not wide enough. There is one ammo can shown, then you see that there is no way that 6 fit on one side.

    • @AndrewAMartin
      @AndrewAMartin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oliverschurr46 Unless you double stack them... And then you'd have to strap them in as well.

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What a wonderful and aestheticly pleasing, bloody great machine gun!

  • @liamfisher917
    @liamfisher917 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just imagine the number of deaths from just this invention by Maxim. Sometimes you just have to look at the impact as well as the awesome mechanics.

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're right! Sometimes you have to think about how humans have been killing other humans for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And wonder, why don't we find more ways of helping humans understand each other. Instead of inventing tools to kill. Because the tools are problematic, not the impulse to kill. 😂

    • @jungletroll3844
      @jungletroll3844 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      someone else would have figured it out anyway

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Behind the Bastards podcast did an episode on Maxim a little while ago. An interesting chap to be sure.

    • @cleanerben9636
      @cleanerben9636 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isn't that glorious?

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cleanerben9636 there's nothing glorious about death.

  • @TheFanatical1
    @TheFanatical1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every time I think he's done it all, Ian pulls out another one.
    Excllent work!

  • @robertotaglienti6406
    @robertotaglienti6406 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    You've got to hand it to the US, adopted the Maxim gun in 1904, 41 years later are dropping an Atomic bomb....impressive evolution.

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OOOoof. Great comment. You put it in a nutshell.

    • @Mrcaffinebean
      @Mrcaffinebean ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and then in 69 the moon landing. A single lifetime and a completely different world. Kind of makes you realize how little the world changed in the subsequent generation.

    • @mastercat381
      @mastercat381 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mrcaffinebean The fact that you're typing this comment underneath a video you can watch at any time, to somebody you will probably never meet in real life, possibly from a phone and computer you can fit in your pocket, would have been unthinkable in the 60s. Technology's growth has been exponential for a very long time now and shows no signs of slowing down.

    • @Wilwatersii
      @Wilwatersii ปีที่แล้ว

      Great point. Just had to take this comment and make a Facebook post about it. Really makes you think.

    • @Wilwatersii
      @Wilwatersii ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mastercat381 it feels to me like it has slowed down. More refining and improving than new paradigm changing advancement. To go from first flight to being in space in 60 years seems more dramatic. I wonder if it’s just the perspective of being in the time, growing accustomed to the commonplace marvels.

  • @magnus9165
    @magnus9165 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am pretty sure these were used against the sleeping miners and their families at Ludlow Massacre, Ludlow, CO in 1914. The National Guard and Pinkertons opened fire on the tents where the miners and their families slept at 2am April 20, 1914.

  • @loddude5706
    @loddude5706 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This would have made the Wright brothers' Flyer a whole lot safer - "Yep, taxi as fast as you like, it still won't take off." : )

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well to be boringly technical..the Wright Flyer couldn't taxi anyway as it had no wheels...I suppose it could sit on that gun carriage? LOL

    • @loddude5706
      @loddude5706 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@trooperdgb9722 - Good point! - not fast enough to need retracts either - another weight saving! : )

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loddude5706 Indeed!!!

    • @anthonyjackson280
      @anthonyjackson280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@trooperdgb9722 Wright flyer had to be catapult launched as the engine was not powerful enough to ROG.

  • @shaider1982
    @shaider1982 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a day, The History Guy just posted a video on his visit to the Colt museum.

  • @paulmorissette5863
    @paulmorissette5863 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About 30 odd years ago the USA military (Navy?) decided that they didn't like 1/8, 1/4, 3/8 and such inch measures. So drawings were converted to 0.125, 0.250, 0.375 and such. The next year's bid for materials tripled. From common sheet aluminum to precision plates. The drawings were converted back as fast as change orders could be written.

  • @philllax1719
    @philllax1719 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm really digging this morphys trip, it's got such an OG forgotten weapons feel to it

  • @ovrdedge4010
    @ovrdedge4010 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I recently saw a short video of Ukrainian soldiers using a Maxim in combat. It was a thing of awe to watch and the rounds that were impacting a doorway about 50 yards away, were hitting so hard they looked like .50 BMG rounds. What a lethal thing of beauty!

    • @Njazmo
      @Njazmo ปีที่แล้ว +22

      7.62x54R is no joke, and I've used Maxim too in the 90's (Finnish military).

    • @DB-yj3qc
      @DB-yj3qc ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It really has stood the test of time. To think a some of the greatest machine guns designed at the turn of the century are still being used for front line service after100 years. That easily could be still in working order in another hundred years. Not a lot of things designed in late 1800s have stood that test. Oddly enough the many of the first self propelled carriages were electric in late 1800s and now over 100 years later there is the push for them again. That machine gun design was already being produced on assembly lines before gasoline or diesel powered vehicles.

    • @DB-yj3qc
      @DB-yj3qc ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Njazmo
      Quite possibly one of the best cartridges for one or the German Mauser 8mm.
      Damn now I need to go look at a captured German one from WW1 on display.

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Whatever happens, we have got
      The Maxim Gun, and they have not."
      -Hilaire Belloc, _The Modern Traveller_ (1898)

    • @lordofdiscordxx6952
      @lordofdiscordxx6952 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DB-yj3qc forgive me sir but its not an electric powered feed gun ..

  • @jmantime
    @jmantime ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the Colt M1895 was better, it was much lighter and easier to mass-produce. They were used heavily in WW1.

    • @salvadorsempere1701
      @salvadorsempere1701 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      AS far as I know, not a single potato digger see use in WW1.

    • @kevinoliver3083
      @kevinoliver3083 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@salvadorsempere1701Versions of the Colt M1895 were used by Canada (.303 British), Italy (6x52mm Carcano), and Imperial Russia (7.62×54mmR) during WW1.

  • @danielburgess7785
    @danielburgess7785 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Depending on the wind direction the team for that beast may have required two spotters. The noise would have been deafening so they used ?flags? to show where the fire stream was to be sent as the person firing the weapon couldn't see a damn thing.

  • @Catmask7632
    @Catmask7632 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very nice video, as always.

  • @thierrythejovial8721
    @thierrythejovial8721 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tomorrow at range ?😃

  • @SteveSchara
    @SteveSchara ปีที่แล้ว

    The random beep in the background had me checking all my smoke alarms in my house.

  • @nelsonbrum8496
    @nelsonbrum8496 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A machine gun that creates its own smoke screen? Niiiiiice!

  • @tomyorke3412
    @tomyorke3412 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the look of aged brass

  • @tedbirthchild2986
    @tedbirthchild2986 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The fact that the water jug is white and the spare parts jug is blue is a missed color coordination opportunity

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:44 "You'll see that on some of the other military Mxim guns..."
    Yeah, I'll try and keep that in mind for the next couple of 100+ year old Maxim machine guns I come across. :D

  • @Schlabbeflicker
    @Schlabbeflicker ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Remember, 1903, this is a period in American history where we're not going abroad in search of monsters to slay; the American Army is there to defend the United States coastline and shores and borders..."
    Why is this such a radical concept in 2022?

  • @miketeeveedub5779
    @miketeeveedub5779 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dang! That setup put the MAX in Maxim. It should've been called the Maximum, as in weight! No wonder none of the troops wanted to use it!

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive just come straight from watching Ian’s video about the PPS and PPS-43, which is a wonderful contrast!

  • @CHET1
    @CHET1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man the price of this just went up 1000% dayum

  • @kevinmcgarry1916
    @kevinmcgarry1916 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All those 2-gun matches got Ian's hands lookin pretty rough!

  • @thelowdownwithlowhorn6808
    @thelowdownwithlowhorn6808 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you going to do another Q&A? I loved those!!!!

  • @chriscraven33
    @chriscraven33 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a Gatling gun like gun in Charleston SC, 21 South Battery Street or White Point Gardens from USS Maine shoots one inch diameter round. Google map shows it's still there.

  • @rollertoaster812
    @rollertoaster812 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was that the same wonderful Bureau of Ordnance that many years later gave the U.S. Navy the mark 14 torpedo?

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, completely different organization. In those days the Army and Navy were separate institutions to a degree that is hard to imagine nowadays.

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looking at Pom-Pom and then at Maxim, it's very uncharacteristic of memes about US army to choose a smaller option. Idk, 40mm heavy machine gun sounds like absolutely logical option to me... and that's only partially a joke considering how boers handled the brits with the help of those autocannons.

    • @islaymassive1530
      @islaymassive1530 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The US had the hotchkiss autocannon

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@islaymassive1530 which didn't get a bad reputation if I recall right. So why haven't we seen interest in an improved product then?

    • @islaymassive1530
      @islaymassive1530 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was good enough I guess

    • @franciszeklatinik889
      @franciszeklatinik889 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and they also proved to be good weapons aboard large Warships as an Anti-Aircraft weapon

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte ปีที่แล้ว

      @@franciszeklatinik889 they proved awesome! I especially like the idea of automatic fuze setter used on it. It's a pity that during interbellum navies had gone away from it to lower calibers with higher velocities and fuze setter was completely dropped instead of refined. And then in 1943-1945 we see navies all over the world return to 40mm with Bofors anyway(Brits still used some Pom-Pom "orchestras", but those were more of an exception). Refining fuze setter would have allowed them to use those autocannons in manner similar to nowadays programmable fuze ammo on SPAA in calibers that are too small for VT fuzes. Sadly for many sailors and thankfully for many pilots, it wasn't done.

  • @vittoriosandoni7064
    @vittoriosandoni7064 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the heaviest rifled machinegun ever fielded Is the Perino M1908 weighting (gun and tripod) at 83 kg (183 Pounds).
    The tripod also doesn't have wheels.

  • @charlestran6265
    @charlestran6265 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ian has been waiting years to use the word “galavanting” in a video.

  • @ifga16
    @ifga16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Military 'inspectors' cause so many more problems than they fix. I think that the best way to use them is give the inspector a hammer to smack the fuses on the nose of shells as a quality check.

  • @jasonallard7012
    @jasonallard7012 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a machinist for the navy, I'm just sitting here, facepalming at the mucking about with changing the dimensions and tolerances all willy-nilly.

  • @aaronlucas6426
    @aaronlucas6426 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprised it's not "2600 Maytag Washing Machines"

  • @immaleaf4964
    @immaleaf4964 ปีที่แล้ว

    Constantly amazed at what can come up at auction. That is pretty cool

  • @ManiacMediaDirector
    @ManiacMediaDirector ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see you try this out at the range!

  • @hafizfirliansyah7784
    @hafizfirliansyah7784 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ironically, this legendary gun made by an American guy.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW thanks Ian....NEVER heard of this...EVER!!!

  • @marcraygun6290
    @marcraygun6290 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The massive barrel seems to reflect a lack of understanding of how water cooling works

    • @NBSV1
      @NBSV1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With a smooth outside it can only transfer heat so fast into the water. Making the barrel thicker still allows it to get hotter before it warps or becomes a problem.

  • @skykaptain007
    @skykaptain007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love all the brass parts and plates

  • @bergfruehling
    @bergfruehling ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm surprised they didn't just put them into some random fort.

  • @ScooterFXRS
    @ScooterFXRS ปีที่แล้ว

    "...we're not going abroad in search of monsters to sly." 👍

  • @stumpythedwarf8712
    @stumpythedwarf8712 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Ian.

  • @egoncasteel
    @egoncasteel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow no shield at all. This must be when they thought of them as artillery pieces more then direct fire.

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon ปีที่แล้ว

      "My face is my shield!"
      -Victorian machine gunner

  • @stephenkissinger4434
    @stephenkissinger4434 ปีที่แล้ว

    For heavier rifle-caliber machine gun, I offer for consideration Finland's 7,62 ITKK 31 VKT. It's double-barreled, but the 126-pound mount doesn't help reduce the overall 229-pound weight of a complete system.

  • @PassiveDestroyer
    @PassiveDestroyer ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, I never knew that the US adopted a Maxim! I thought they only adopted the 1895 Colt-Browning "Potato Digger".
    Man, US Ordinance really only wanted Browning-designed guns! Of course they got Colt to make it, after initial orders from Vickers. Of course the US still uses the M2 .50 cal (now with quick-change barrels!) which weighs in at a whopping 84 lbs!
    I never thought the US would have adopted a Maxim since the Infantry and Cavalry were used to more manuverable weapons systems, except for the Gatling Guns. Thankfully, the US got the M1917 water-cooled, and M1919 air-cooled guns just in time to miss WWI.

  • @pattonorr7572
    @pattonorr7572 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anybody else think their smoke alarm was going off with the beeps in the video?

    • @unclejohnbulleit2671
      @unclejohnbulleit2671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was about to go check my coffee pot for a malfunction. Glad to know the VA wasn't going to need to issue me a hearing aid!

  • @bunsonhoneydew9099
    @bunsonhoneydew9099 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian sounds like he is just talking about things he likes to talk about. The whole video series looks non scripted.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you , Ian .
    🐺

  • @makky-kat3719
    @makky-kat3719 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next time I think the M240B I'm carrying is too heavy, I'll remember that this thing existed and that it's all a matter of perspective.

  • @jimbelushi516
    @jimbelushi516 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Ian.

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What I don't get is how Madsen(LMG), Colt 1895(MMG) and Maxim(HMG) were part of the same trial and weren't adopted by separate services.
    Also the story surprisingly lacks two pages of pain about actually choosing a cartridge that would be standardized when talking about higher ranks not putting their career at stake over buying MGs. It wouldn't be just a cost of MGs, it would be a decision that would decide main cartridge for all US branches of the military if they had to do that, which was impossible for them to make. Or am I getting it wrong?0_o

    • @johndallman2692
      @johndallman2692 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It wasn't obvious at first how to use machine guns. Clearly, they could be deadly, but they were often thought of as a type of light artillery for use on troops in close order, and hence quite specialised. The use of machine guns as area denial weapons wasn't generally understood until 1914, and the amount of ammunition you had to expend for that would not have made any sense to the US army of 1902, with their limited budgets.

  • @RadioactiveSherbet
    @RadioactiveSherbet ปีที่แล้ว

    A wheeled carriage for a machine gun seems just a little anachronistic.

  • @TheComradeBritish
    @TheComradeBritish ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another story about how dealing with the American Ordnance Department is somehow less pleasant than pulling your own teeth.

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @joshuamitcham1519
    @joshuamitcham1519 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old Hiram is smiling down on you Ian.
    We need that original Intro!! Try# 9

  • @jessicasimp4459
    @jessicasimp4459 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Maxim machine gun is very important because that gun gave us the favorite guns we know today; for instance the FN MAG, Colt M1911, and various assault rifles like the HK HK33. Without the Maxim machine gun, automatic guns would not be possible.

    • @richardsolberg4047
      @richardsolberg4047 ปีที่แล้ว

      There were others and some one would have got it right sooner or later .

  • @mattzegarski3831
    @mattzegarski3831 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two things about this video. I keep hoping C&Rsenal will do a video on this. I wish he had done this video on a Friday.

  • @liamwhelehan2703
    @liamwhelehan2703 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why was the barrel made so heavy? With water cooling Maxim's only need a light barrel.

  • @thunderK5
    @thunderK5 ปีที่แล้ว

    'Whatever happens, Morphy's has got,
    The Maxim Gun,
    And others have not."

  • @Mrboombastic266
    @Mrboombastic266 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maan that barrel is so thick it doesn't even need a water jacket

  • @patrickduis
    @patrickduis ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for sharing, didn't know this one existed

  • @jm9371
    @jm9371 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful piece of machinery, despite its shortcomings.