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LESSONS LEARNED - MY FIRST 50 MILE ULTRA (NDW50 NORTH DOWNS WAY)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2024
- I share my thoughts on the recent experience I had tackling the North Downs Way 50 Ultra Marathon.
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Welcome to all the new subscribers! Thanks for being here
...and great thumbnail
@@ThatRunningGuy Not as good as your thumbnails! ThatThumbnailGuy
Congrats Dan, fully listened your great reflections, very useful for us! ✌️ Thanks for sharing! 👍
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and listen!
I'm so glad you did share this video! As a road runner planning to make the leap into ultras, this was really inspiring and eye-opening!
I’m happy to read that you found it valuable! I’m certain you’ll have a fantastic transition to ultra running!
Great vid Dan. I don't think there is the perfect running pack. My favorite one is my Montane VIA Jaws 10 as it's no frills and very light, but it's far from perfect. My other one which I have used pretty much for the last 18 months is my Ultimate Direction Ultra Vest 5.0. Again though not perfect although I have modified it a little which involved taking it to a Seamstress to take out a couple of zips and add elastic. Also made a tiny pocket which was a waste of time a bit bigger. The hand held water bottle seems a lot more popular in the ultra races in America from what i have seen watching all the races I seen on TH-cam.
I did ask on a few videos about the handheld arrangement in ultra races in USA, but the runners who did reply were insistent they always used mandatory kit (including a vest). I think i'm used to seeing the Jim Walmsley efforts where he seems to refuel via handheld at each station and power ahead! As you say, I think it's about finding a happy medium with a vest and making adjustments as needed
Great video. Congrats on finishing the 50 miler
Thanks so much for watching, I really appreciate it
Great to hear your reflections Dan. One thing for sure is that no two ultras are ever the same - but each one done is another opportunity to learn 👍🏻
This ultra was a lot more fun and enjoyable than my 40 mile one last year!
Great breakdown of an insane run. 30 miles with a make shift knee strap? So cool! Finish line photo is ace. tells a story! Well done.
One day Tailwind will make me their ambassador haha. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment
Great recap Dan. You learn from every event!
Thanks so much Jon! I'm always keen to learn from every experience
Good drills with the arm sleeve. Ultra runs really are an exercise in problem solving 👍
I totally agree. Like an amateur Bear Grylls
Your comments are appreciated. If you are looking for a vest with more access, I purchased the Salomon adv skin 12 for the same purpose. So many areas are accessible while running in addition very large storage via a zipper. If it doesn’t fit in the Salomon you may need a suitcase!
Thanks so much for the recommendation. I did have a Salomon vest when I started running but never got on with it. That said, I didn't really know what I was doing and it was almost certainly ill fitting and not correctly used! When I figure out the next adventure i'll get into store and try one out. I do love Salomon products so i'd be hopeful that a vest would do the trick also!
Well done Dan and its always good to learn on each training session or race!
Thanks so much Michael!
Different flavour gels is the way to go. Thanks for talking about your experiences. Needed for us newbs to learn from. Much appreciated
Thanks for your comment Lisa. If the video can help even one person then it was worthwhile sharing
Great video! It's great seeing what you have learned! Never tried salt tabs might be worth a go! I hate the initial feeling you get when you know your leg is going to cramp. It's always good to look back and learn as much as possible! Looking forward to more awesome content!!
I do enjoy being reflective and hopefully there are some takeaways for new and established runners / athletes as we head into the Summer months
I think it’s important to reflect. I’m sure this video will help others in their ultra running journey.
Thanks so much Chris. Hopefully it's of use to future competitors in their own Ultra journey
A excellent retrospective mate. Just remember this advice when you tackle the NDW100 🤣😜
Are you paying for my entry?! I think we can have pacers on that one. 50 mile stint?
@@DanRuns I would be honoured too mate 🤣👌🏻
@@BenNotley I'd pay half with you Ben
@@runningwithmarc cheers Marc you're a top bloke! Let's make it happen! 😎🤘🏻
Nothing is ever perfect. By your next one your ideas will have changed again. I’d have been interested to hear about how different you felt going into it with the higher milage. More confident? After your break do you have a weekly milage target you want to hit?
I felt exceptionally good going into this ultra. I knew that my mileage wasn’t high enough to deliver anything remotely fast and my longest run in hindsight should have been 35 miles I think. I’ve never really been one for specific weekly mileage to be honest, so I’ll likely first set out to build a schedule of runs weekly to incorporate all the skills I require for whichever rest I pick next. Thereafter I’ll trust in my ability to be able to run at a higher mileage than I did this time around (if it calls for it)
Exactly you know you can easily cope with that workload and can build on it.
Thanks for a good vid
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment Andrew, much appreciated
Good to hear how things went and your thoughts on the Camelbak. I’m thinking of upgrading my hydration pack at the moment so good to hear how you found it.
Ideally you need to get into store and try some on. I chose Camelbak as it fit the best in store, whereas the Salomon and Ultimate Direction didn't have the same instant feel. There are so many out there however!
Look at that subscriber count!!! Do I gather from the video that you might do this again?
If it gets me more subs.... haha. On a serious note, I 'may' do, but nothing confirmed
Great reflection of the lessons learnt Dan. Always good to look back and apply that knowledge for your future Ultras. I have a question. Have you actually taken off the medal yet, since getting it? 😂
The medal is never removed. I’m thinking of getting it tattooed!
Hi Dan, great video! Just a question on salt tablets, did you have any salt in your TailWind and gels and if so would you say that additional salt tablets are absolutely necessary? Thank you! Johan
That's a good question. Tailwind and Unived gels do have content which supports the body in a similar way to salt tablets and I don't 100% know if the salt tablets were the saving grace, but I had been recommended to take them by runners who had done the route in the past (albeit it on a warmer day). Had I not had any sensation of cramp I would have probably not used them. I would like to explore them more and see if they were worthwhile or not!
@@DanRuns Thanks very much for your reply. I guess I'll have to experiment too! All the best with your running and your TH-cam channel.
Hats off to Ultra runners! I am yet to run my 1st marathon. I have scheduled three 5K's, and capping off the year with a 10K in November. Half marathon to come in 1/22. I have a question: I did an experiment. I ran the same distance in several different shoes differing in weight and purpose. I found my time to be the same regardless. Now, I am a slow runner--- 11 min/mi currently and probably at my fastest a 10 minute miler. Could it be that I should enjoy well cushioned running shoes and forget having a rotation? I mean if I run just as fast in a Clifton or even a Bondi, why not enjoy the protection. By the way, I continue to really enjoy my Hoka Challenger ATR 6's. They are definitely needed for off road running.
I'm not someone who actually has a rotation. At the beginning of this training I had three shoes - Nike Pegasus 36 shield, Hoka Torrent and ATR 6. The Nike's always felt a little snug, yet fast and light when worn, the Hoka's didn't really ever suit the terrain to use them regularly and the ATR 6 were such an all-rounder I just stuck with them throughout. Now, if I was to focus on road running I would use the ATR for long run and a more road-specific shoe for the speed sessions and race day (like Rocket X, Carbon X etc...). I recognise rotation is important but there is also a financial impact to that
@@DanRuns Well, I have put out this question to some reviewers that are avid road runners, though they are far, far faster than myself. In the end, perhaps I will just have to trust my own experience which shows that racing shoes give me no advantage. I don't need the more lightweight shoe because I run slow anyway at age 64, 6ft. and 178lbs. As you say, budget is a factor. If I can be a two shoe guy, I will just have my ATR 6's and a Clifton, Bondi, or currently I got a Mach 4 and call it a day.
@@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907 I think you're doing the right thing first and foremost by finding a shoe you're comfortable in and that does the job for you. With so many shoes released yearly it's hard to keep up with what's best! Running shoe shops for me are a minefield!
I think the main benefit to you Raymond if the shoes are not giving you any performance advantage at the moment is that having a small shoe rotation can help with the midsole. If you are running regularly in the same shoes then the midsole can become compressed by not have time to recover between runs. Having at least 2 different sets of shoes will allow one to recover whilst you are running in the next. Can be the same brand / model if you are happy with what you have.
@@davenapier Excellent idea Dave! A dual pair of the same shoe I like would suffice. Their are all around models that cover the road basis. The Hoka Mach 4 is one and it has some good cushion!
Surprised you had cramp at 19. Not sure if lack of salt so soon 🤷🏻♂️I’m going get my salt intake dialled in now. Yeah I heard spring was out of stock. I’ve still got out of date ones which are still ok 🥴
The cramp came as a shock and confused me no end as I’d never had anything like it since I began running. I was able to overcome it but it baffles me even now!
@@DanRuns I get a full pain in my muscle left of knee sometimes feels like I’m gong to cramp but never happens - weird. Main thing is you didn’t have to pull out for a while. When these things happen - manage it and move on 👍
@@ultrarunneradam They'll be another day to tackle the NDW50 and i'll be more competitive over the distance
Looking forward to talking to you ok Wednesday mate: we havnt set a time, shall we say 8?
That sounds ace! Send me a DM :)
Kneecap support with armsleeve 😄💪 absolutely brilliant 👏 check out the kneesovertoesguy on TH-cam. Maybe you find something that works for you. Lots of great points in the vid 👌 onto the next one ☺️
Thanks Soti! I attempted to fashion something to support my knee! There were possibly alternatives but that's all I could think of at the time!
So you didn't need the kitchen sink in the end then!
But yes, great video Dan, super great what you did.
No space in this pack, but had I bought a larger Camelbak I would have taken the sink and the fridge
@@DanRuns You got a new bag already! nice