Going to see many Starks appearing at local club races in 2025. Most of my XC races are tight single track woods riding so a 40hp Varg can easily be competitive and most importantly finish races!
The "Stark" company is a Swedish company with manufacturing in Spain. "Stark varg" is Swedish and means "Strong wolf". Thats what i thought anyway. Interesting technology and interesting bike!
No way stark will produce two separate batteries, frames etc. I would guess about Feb-25 or March they will announce a second Gen Stark dirt bike based on the EX changes. They will hold off to not hurt sales of the current model. But the current model seems incredible for a first gen model.
@goneridingparts you mean gen 3? They already have the gen 2, but those are all mostly performance updates and changes, not a different frame. I'm sure that updating the battery to "bigger" cells is still the same form factor, just higher energy density so yes. It would actually fit in exactly the same space as current battery modules. For instance, if they started capacity using 4000mA cells, then updated to 5000mA (21700 package) then that would be a 20% increase in capacity (16% more usable battery @ 80%). I'm not sure if that's exactly what they're doing, but the math kind of adds up in my head.
@@timt1346 agree 100%, but I thought they made some changes to the actual frame. and yes gen 3 would be correct, I think they have already made alot of changes with charge port and other updates. I may try the dirt option now, rather than wait another 6 months.
That I have no idea about. I know gen 1 to 2 was something to do with the cooling system and maybe the software update to conserve some power and gave it the crawl/reverse mode. I hate to say it, but you can feel the algorithm difference in the way it rides (in not a fan, but what can you do?). Newer generation riders would never know the difference so we dinosaurs are the only ones that know about it 😅 That being said, the bike is still brutally powerful and you probably won't be disappointed in it, regardless. You can't go wrong getting an MX for the time being and maybe an Enduro later. You might find that you'd be happy with the MX, who knows? I'm certainly happy with mine and I'm not burned over it. I'm happy with the price and wish I could buy a second one for my boys, but they've already got good gas bikes. I've got my 500 for road riding, so the Enduro model doesn't hold much appeal to me at the moment. I already did the road stuff with my Alta EXR and it wasn't really worth the cost and hassle involved.
Boys, one short you did not talk about is the need for a small transportable charger or alternatively a charger cable to charge the EX on a public passenger car charger somewhere on a multi-day trip. Pls mention that if you get to talk to Stark‘s officials. Thx for that Markus
No one‘s talking about charging the bike. It’s a dual sport bike should be able to have a cable that you could bring with you and plug it into a charger somewhere else so you don’t have to bring that charger with you does that make sense?
@@axcelktm unfortunately, we can't have it all at the same time. Current charging tech is bulky so there's no good solution to add it to the bike without loosing on more important characteristics like weight, battery capacity, size etc. But I have been playing around with design for an attachable charger case. With the EX model being released I might actually give it a shot and turn it into a product.
I’ve been fascinated with all of this E stuff. I’ll buy in when they get the charging times down to 5 minutes. Until then, it’s gas and go. Because I don’t like to HAVE to stop.
5 minutes is an 8C charge rate (assuming 80% DOD). Not going to happen, or at least maybe not for a while just because of infrastructure. You'd need some pretty hefty cables and connectors to pipe it in that quick.
@ It’s a tall ask for sure. Battery swaps are another option. It’s how I run my drills all day. lol….But those batteries are large, heavy, and expensive no doubt. Probably not easily swapped either. We’re a long ways from it ever being more than a novelty. Just saw em run at Arena cross and they drew very little enthusiasm and excitement also. A good indicator that they’re not fit for mainstream entertainment at all.
They don't do battery swaps because they're a bad idea for the longevity and forces involved with a full motocross bike. I know that's one of the biggest requests, but as an electronics person speaking, swappable is bad juju unless you've got deep pockets to fix everything that wears out from mating cycles. I think they definitely have a place and they'll eventually replace gas bikes as younger generations adopt the tech. I like and own both, but until they get the capacity thing sorted out, it'll be gas for the top spot for a few more years. I think solid state batteries and higher efficiency motors are about all that's left to innovate on.
How did you confirm the new battery pack is different and won't retrofit? From what I can tell, the battery cells were upgraded, but the size format should be the same.
great bike and great price, only downfall is since they are street legal it can be a daily rider. howver, no onboard charger so whats the point? cant use public ac stations....
The point ? because in most areas , like in Western Australia , you can only use off road vehicles in public areas that are registered . If you want a daily commuter bike I`d say a motorcross bike with a number plate on it is not the choice for you .
Really depends on the speed your trails allow. It's not so much how hard you are on the throttle, but more about how long and what rpm you are running. Speed sucks current. When I ride single track and 50" trails on my Varg, after a 35 - 38 mile ride, I'm at 30% to 36% SOC so I'd expect a solid 40 - 45 miles down to 10% SOC when I get more seat time next year. But for mountain forest service roads, I'll expect less range because I'll average a much faster speed. So I'll expect only 35 - 40 miles down to 10% SOC. But we'll see. Very tempting to go with a Varg EX next year, but will have to see how much I can get for my Varg (with 4 rides on it). At least they announced the EX now so I didn't spend the money on respringing/revalving, handguards, brake guards, etc. over the winter.
I think 40 miles would be hopeful at best for most people (depends on your weight and how fast you're normally traveling). I'm sure it could get 50+ miles if you were careful. But a more realistic range is 35 miles or less.
This reminds me of the iPhone marketing techniques. The industry goes nuts to wait 3 months for a 2% incremental upgrade. The battery is definitely an improvement. The rest yeah, but not groundbreaking and don’t forget that you’re paying for it. Over $3,000 more than the Mx that you can configure for $10,900 with an 18 inch rear wheel and softer suspension. Essentially it’s just a small bit more stuff for way more cash. Nothing wrong with that. Just keeping it in perspective. Full disclosure…I own an Mx and it’s freaking awesome. To make it more of an “enduro” the way I ride, I added handguards, swapped for a 13T front sprocket, dialed down the suspension which was at a Lower weight range than I am at, and swapped to gummies. Probably cost me $450? If I didn’t have one, I’d definitely buy the ex and cry a little bit if I stopped to think about the price. You just gotta not care about what it costs for the bike and enjoy the experience.
If you want to put a clean as a whistle, INTERGRATED headlight, indicators and rear break lights it would 100% cost you more than that 3k extra price. It would look tacky and not the same aesthetic as the rest of the bike. That alone is worth the money, then you get the extra battery capacity on top of that, aswell as a better phone/screen. The 3k extra price is surely justified no?
@@1989cranston I dunno. I’ll say this … they make the best electric dirtbike hands down. Plus, they can charge a boatload for trivial upgrades. And lots of people…including me… will buy it. Is it WORTH $13,900 plus tax and $500 freight? We have no choice really. Again, to anyone wondering…just buy it if you have the cash. Then don’t tell your wife what you paid … and try to forget what you paid.
The suspension supposedly has a lot of changes to make it plusher for enduro. Can't wait for February. Also, it is both VAT exempt and has $2500 support from the government so it will be cheaper than my MX
Yes, we can lower the KYB suspension on the Stark Varg with little to no loss in suspension performance. Just a heads up, the Varg EX is already lowered from Stark by 10mm on the front forks, and 7mm on the KYB rear shock.
JB, will we get a diy mod or some kind of a service to give the shitty shock on the 24-25 pds some real performance (like the linkage upgrades that makes it as good as the PRO one) ? ? EDIT: WHAT!? I just checked the website and you are already doiing the Titanium Adjuster piston for the PDS unit? Do you also offer a bladder upgrade for it? Will this change it and make it miles ahead as performance of the OEM stuff offers, or does it still have the limit that you were talking about, and why people choose to replace it with the PRO one.
Hello 👋🏼 The 2024-2025 WP XPLOR shock revalve does not come with a bladder kit. Our JBI Spec revalve for the stock WP PDS shock is a noticeable improvement over the stock valving (plusher over small to medium bumps and more hold up during aggressive riding). However the best performing option we offer is still the XPLOR Pro 8946 shock with JBI Spec settings.
If the weight was 20 lbs less, I would be ordering right now. Throwing around a 264 lbs bike in tight mountain single track is not something I want to be doing....
Yep, that's my entire gripe about this bike. I own an Alta EXR and it was useless for street miles. I only had it registered for the first year I owned it. If you could get 40 miles of play time, stop and grab a drink and a charge then do another 40 miles, that world be a fun afternoon and totally worth it. But not being able to charge on public infrastructure is a huge miss by Stark, in my opinion.
Agreed. Bunch of us have been talking about this. Battery capacity has only increased 10% (6.5kWh to 7.2kWh), but they say 20% more range. Controller programming (since the motor and controller itself didn't change)?
I sure hope they don't. One of the best aspects of it is the rear hand brake, and it seems that Taddy and Eddie are doing pretty well in extreme enduro with the bike
@@autohog Absolutely, and at least Eddie was complaining a bit about not having a clutch in the beginning. For me who don't have that clutch skill anyway it's overall an improvement
Not clear at this point. Could be higher quality cells or better packaging inside the same pack dimentions. I dont think it makes a lot of sense to change the battery box just by that little. Mostly from a manufacturing perspective
@@TheOtherPlayer you stated reason for a clutch. Full torque going to the rear on loose gravel or slick rocks or tree roots gets you going nowhere. Clutches in hard enduro are basically for ultra fine power modulation.
@@bikesbeersbeats An electric throttle is already ultra fine power modulation. Especially with the tunable throttle maps they're giving you now, full control over how the throttle reacts.
@@Tazdeviloo7 youre not wrong but theres different degrees needed. not every riding style needs a clutch. Electric Motion have been through this, they have a clutch and recently went back to gears. They learned there is a place for it on electric vehicles. Its much easier to have constant throttle and then use a clutch to modulate power to the rear.
It sucks that a Tesla can get on average 300k miles before a battery change. That cost 6k for the newest cell technology upgrade. It really sucks Especially when it gets cheaper every 6 months and gets constant software updates.
You've sadly been scammed already, jay. You are buying into lies from someone that has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to battery longevity.
Got mine ordered, should be at my door on 3/2. I'm not an EV person. As a matter of fact I said I'll boycott EV's as long as Biden is in office, but I'm excited about this one.
The Varg EX and MX share the same MSRP for the 60 and 80 HP models. The biggest difference in price is the OEM incentive, which is roughly $3,000 on the Varg Mx models
Big fail: no public charge capability? People are going to crap themselves when they find out they've only got 30 miles of usable battery if they really want to grab a handful on the road.
What kind of trails are you connecting with only 30-40 miles of range, though? You get a 15 to 20 mile go out, then come back. That's not insignificant. But until you live under that range anxiety, it's not going to be apprent to non owners. *can* the bikes go further than expected (depending on the situation)? Sure. But when you're 10 miles away and 10% battery, you can probably guess at how you're going to get out of that situation.
Agreed with @dr.x4050. It's not a dual sport, highway ride type bike. Connect the trails like the ICE racebikes with lights/turn signals. You have to do an oil change on those after a couple rides; they are not highway-type dual sports either. Lots of mountain trails are connected by a few miles stretches of gravel or asphalt roads. That type of connect-the-trails riding is the intent. Not riding from town, or your house, to the trails. Granted, you can get away with short section of road on dirt-only bikes, but at least this is full-on legal. And then, if you want to run across town for an errand, you can. But the street-use/license plate is just an easy add on. This is really just an enduro bike like KTM and Yamy make. Rather than MX suspension and number plates (and close ratio transmissions vs wide on the ICE bikes), you get soft offroad suspension and headlight/brake/tail lights. The plate thing is just a bonus if you want it. Otherwise just license it as offroad only but get the offroad (rather than MX) setup.
@@timt1346 I get about the same range with my YZ125x, so I just think of the Varg EX as a (somewhat heavy) dirt bike with a plate. That's all. This or the 350 EXC-F, for example, will allow me to ride on dirt roads that require a plated bike. I will need to tow the Varg EX or any dirt bike to the location if I want a lot of dirt-riding time.
I have a different brand street legal electric dirt bike in Pennsylvania and no foot brake. Not sure where a foot brake is required but I had no issues getting my bike street legal and inspected in PA. I'm a big fan of the hand brakes. I almost want this Stark but I'm concerned about range on pavement. my 4.2kwh bike struggles to do 20 miles at back road speeds. The starks 7.2kwh battery would be better than what I have but not by much. I'd bet it's street range over 45mph is in the 30-40 mile ballpark. Starks lists up to 6hrs ride time but the ride time listed for PRO MX hard pack is only 37 minutes. It's street range will disappoint many but off-road your body will want a break before the bike. Another con is lack of an on board L2 charger many people interested in electric bikes already have an electric vehicle and charger. Having to haul around a battery charger everywhere is annoying, Hopefully it is small enough to fit comfortably in a back pack. You'll want to take that charger with you if going anywhere over 20 miles or likely won't make it back. I'm not trying to hate on this bike I actually want one but if a highway range was listed you'd see what I'm trying to point out. Somebody will surely take this on a high speed rip down a back road and find they don't have the range they expected
RIP off, the suspension is horrible due to centre of gravity (motor weight) and they’re silent so racing them in groups is dangerous end of! It’s a gimmick
Idk if you’re just slow or what but I rode it at full clip in a south NJ harescramble (B class) and podiumed out of the box. The KYB SSS is an industry benchmark (that ktm guys spend thousands to fit to their bike) and the chassis dynamics here are well suited to it in this instance.
Very excited for this GIGA CHAD dual sport bike that everyone always asked for. The future has finally arrived.
Lmfao
Will only go around 40 miles at back road speed, not much of a dual sport
Going to see many Starks appearing at local club races in 2025. Most of my XC races are tight single track woods riding so a 40hp Varg can easily be competitive and most importantly finish races!
Couldn’t agree more!
The "Stark" company is a Swedish company with manufacturing in Spain. "Stark varg" is Swedish and means "Strong wolf". Thats what i thought anyway. Interesting technology and interesting bike!
You are correct 👍🏻
No way stark will produce two separate batteries, frames etc. I would guess about Feb-25 or March they will announce a second Gen Stark dirt bike based on the EX changes. They will hold off to not hurt sales of the current model. But the current model seems incredible for a first gen model.
@@goneridingparts makes sense
@goneridingparts you mean gen 3? They already have the gen 2, but those are all mostly performance updates and changes, not a different frame.
I'm sure that updating the battery to "bigger" cells is still the same form factor, just higher energy density so yes. It would actually fit in exactly the same space as current battery modules. For instance, if they started capacity using 4000mA cells, then updated to 5000mA (21700 package) then that would be a 20% increase in capacity (16% more usable battery @ 80%). I'm not sure if that's exactly what they're doing, but the math kind of adds up in my head.
@@timt1346 agree 100%, but I thought they made some changes to the actual frame. and yes gen 3 would be correct, I think they have already made alot of changes with charge port and other updates. I may try the dirt option now, rather than wait another 6 months.
That I have no idea about. I know gen 1 to 2 was something to do with the cooling system and maybe the software update to conserve some power and gave it the crawl/reverse mode. I hate to say it, but you can feel the algorithm difference in the way it rides (in not a fan, but what can you do?). Newer generation riders would never know the difference so we dinosaurs are the only ones that know about it 😅
That being said, the bike is still brutally powerful and you probably won't be disappointed in it, regardless. You can't go wrong getting an MX for the time being and maybe an Enduro later. You might find that you'd be happy with the MX, who knows? I'm certainly happy with mine and I'm not burned over it. I'm happy with the price and wish I could buy a second one for my boys, but they've already got good gas bikes. I've got my 500 for road riding, so the Enduro model doesn't hold much appeal to me at the moment. I already did the road stuff with my Alta EXR and it wasn't really worth the cost and hassle involved.
@ the MX looks amazing but I’m not sure it’s worth an extra 3k
Boys, one short you did not talk about is the need for a small transportable charger or alternatively a charger cable to charge the EX on a public passenger car charger somewhere on a multi-day trip. Pls mention that if you get to talk to Stark‘s officials. Thx for that
Markus
Love it, ordered mine today. Thank you , your input helped me decide to order mine!!
That's awesome! We're excited for you
No one‘s talking about charging the bike. It’s a dual sport bike should be able to have a cable that you could bring with you and plug it into a charger somewhere else so you don’t have to bring that charger with you does that make sense?
Stay away from our riding areas
! ! We don't want you around !
POSER wanna be offroader
@@axcelktm unfortunately, we can't have it all at the same time. Current charging tech is bulky so there's no good solution to add it to the bike without loosing on more important characteristics like weight, battery capacity, size etc. But I have been playing around with design for an attachable charger case. With the EX model being released I might actually give it a shot and turn it into a product.
I’ve been fascinated with all of this E stuff. I’ll buy in when they get the charging times down to 5 minutes. Until then, it’s gas and go. Because I don’t like to HAVE to stop.
5 minutes is an 8C charge rate (assuming 80% DOD). Not going to happen, or at least maybe not for a while just because of infrastructure. You'd need some pretty hefty cables and connectors to pipe it in that quick.
@ It’s a tall ask for sure. Battery swaps are another option. It’s how I run my drills all day. lol….But those batteries are large, heavy, and expensive no doubt. Probably not easily swapped either. We’re a long ways from it ever being more than a novelty. Just saw em run at Arena cross and they drew very little enthusiasm and excitement also. A good indicator that they’re not fit for mainstream entertainment at all.
They don't do battery swaps because they're a bad idea for the longevity and forces involved with a full motocross bike. I know that's one of the biggest requests, but as an electronics person speaking, swappable is bad juju unless you've got deep pockets to fix everything that wears out from mating cycles.
I think they definitely have a place and they'll eventually replace gas bikes as younger generations adopt the tech. I like and own both, but until they get the capacity thing sorted out, it'll be gas for the top spot for a few more years. I think solid state batteries and higher efficiency motors are about all that's left to innovate on.
You want an extra battery for your backpack?? That battery prob weighs at least 40kg
How did you confirm the new battery pack is different and won't retrofit?
From what I can tell, the battery cells were upgraded, but the size format should be the same.
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@RideJBI Nooooooooo!
Different connectors, already confirmed by support.
great bike and great price, only downfall is since they are street legal it can be a daily rider. howver, no onboard charger so whats the point? cant use public ac stations....
The point ? because in most areas , like in Western Australia , you can only use off road vehicles in public areas that are registered . If you want a daily commuter bike I`d say a motorcross bike with a number plate on it is not the choice for you .
im really considering one but i want to know more about trail riding range and how long you can trail ride it ?
26 to 35 miles of usable battery range, depending on how hard you rip on it and how fast the trails are
Really depends on the speed your trails allow. It's not so much how hard you are on the throttle, but more about how long and what rpm you are running. Speed sucks current. When I ride single track and 50" trails on my Varg, after a 35 - 38 mile ride, I'm at 30% to 36% SOC so I'd expect a solid 40 - 45 miles down to 10% SOC when I get more seat time next year. But for mountain forest service roads, I'll expect less range because I'll average a much faster speed. So I'll expect only 35 - 40 miles down to 10% SOC. But we'll see. Very tempting to go with a Varg EX next year, but will have to see how much I can get for my Varg (with 4 rides on it). At least they announced the EX now so I didn't spend the money on respringing/revalving, handguards, brake guards, etc. over the winter.
I think 40 miles would be hopeful at best for most people (depends on your weight and how fast you're normally traveling). I'm sure it could get 50+ miles if you were careful. But a more realistic range is 35 miles or less.
This reminds me of the iPhone marketing techniques. The industry goes nuts to wait 3 months for a 2% incremental upgrade. The battery is definitely an improvement. The rest yeah, but not groundbreaking and don’t forget that you’re paying for it. Over $3,000 more than the Mx that you can configure for $10,900 with an 18 inch rear wheel and softer suspension. Essentially it’s just a small bit more stuff for way more cash. Nothing wrong with that. Just keeping it in perspective. Full disclosure…I own an Mx and it’s freaking awesome. To make it more of an “enduro” the way I ride, I added handguards, swapped for a 13T front sprocket, dialed down the suspension which was at a Lower weight range than I am at, and swapped to gummies. Probably cost me $450? If I didn’t have one, I’d definitely buy the ex and cry a little bit if I stopped to think about the price. You just gotta not care about what it costs for the bike and enjoy the experience.
If you want to put a clean as a whistle, INTERGRATED headlight, indicators and rear break lights it would 100% cost you more than that 3k extra price. It would look tacky and not the same aesthetic as the rest of the bike. That alone is worth the money, then you get the extra battery capacity on top of that, aswell as a better phone/screen.
The 3k extra price is surely justified no?
@@1989cranston I dunno. I’ll say this … they make the best electric dirtbike hands down. Plus, they can charge a boatload for trivial upgrades. And lots of people…including me… will buy it. Is it WORTH $13,900 plus tax and $500 freight? We have no choice really. Again, to anyone wondering…just buy it if you have the cash. Then don’t tell your wife what you paid … and try to forget what you paid.
The suspension supposedly has a lot of changes to make it plusher for enduro. Can't wait for February. Also, it is both VAT exempt and has $2500 support from the government so it will be cheaper than my MX
110 motocross tyre is the same width as 140 enduro tyre! Enduro tyres are measured with knobs and motocross tyre without knobs.
Can you lower the EX without impacting performance much?
Yes, we can lower the KYB suspension on the Stark Varg with little to no loss in suspension performance.
Just a heads up, the Varg EX is already lowered from Stark by 10mm on the front forks, and 7mm on the KYB rear shock.
JB, will we get a diy mod or some kind of a service to give the shitty shock on the 24-25 pds some real performance (like the linkage upgrades that makes it as good as the PRO one) ? ?
EDIT: WHAT!? I just checked the website and you are already doiing the Titanium Adjuster piston for the PDS unit? Do you also offer a bladder upgrade for it? Will this change it and make it miles ahead as performance of the OEM stuff offers, or does it still have the limit that you were talking about, and why people choose to replace it with the PRO one.
Hello 👋🏼
The 2024-2025 WP XPLOR shock revalve does not come with a bladder kit. Our JBI Spec revalve for the stock WP PDS shock is a noticeable improvement over the stock valving (plusher over small to medium bumps and more hold up during aggressive riding).
However the best performing option we offer is still the XPLOR Pro 8946 shock with JBI Spec settings.
@@RideJBI Understood, thank you, KTM needs to up their PDS game for OEM components.
Hope they slap Sumos on it and sell a super moto version.
13k for 40 min ride? I’ll keep riding my xw-f 350 for years
It can be re-charged though..!
@ yeah man but 13-14k to wait up to 2-4 hour charge 😅😅😅😅🥲🥲
Run time is not there yet
If the weight was 20 lbs less, I would be ordering right now. Throwing around a 264 lbs bike in tight mountain single track is not something I want to be doing....
Or picking it up.
Sadly it has no integrated charger, that would be perfect for street riding
Yep, that's my entire gripe about this bike. I own an Alta EXR and it was useless for street miles. I only had it registered for the first year I owned it. If you could get 40 miles of play time, stop and grab a drink and a charge then do another 40 miles, that world be a fun afternoon and totally worth it. But not being able to charge on public infrastructure is a huge miss by Stark, in my opinion.
It’ll drop to 10k just like the MX Varg
Great point!
6,5 * 1,2 = 7,8 ??
Agreed. Bunch of us have been talking about this. Battery capacity has only increased 10% (6.5kWh to 7.2kWh), but they say 20% more range. Controller programming (since the motor and controller itself didn't change)?
Should look into the stunt bike world they have both brakes connected
This is an Enduro bike so it really needs a clutch for log hopping and splats.
@@TheLiddleBigChannel 💯
I sure hope they don't. One of the best aspects of it is the rear hand brake, and it seems that Taddy and Eddie are doing pretty well in extreme enduro with the bike
@ you’re talking about literally one of the most skilled riders on the planet
@@autohog Absolutely, and at least Eddie was complaining a bit about not having a clutch in the beginning. For me who don't have that clutch skill anyway it's overall an improvement
Stark future, but you can't upgrade the battery. So, it's not future proof
Honestly that’s a really good point.
Not clear at this point. Could be higher quality cells or better packaging inside the same pack dimentions. I dont think it makes a lot of sense to change the battery box just by that little. Mostly from a manufacturing perspective
What about Clutch control?
You need to have that! 💯🐅👊🏽👍🇲🇽
Why when you have full torque from 0 rpm?
If you need a clutch, you arnt ready for electric bikes.
@@TheOtherPlayer you stated reason for a clutch. Full torque going to the rear on loose gravel or slick rocks or tree roots gets you going nowhere. Clutches in hard enduro are basically for ultra fine power modulation.
@@bikesbeersbeats An electric throttle is already ultra fine power modulation. Especially with the tunable throttle maps they're giving you now, full control over how the throttle reacts.
@@Tazdeviloo7 youre not wrong but theres different degrees needed. not every riding style needs a clutch. Electric Motion have been through this, they have a clutch and recently went back to gears. They learned there is a place for it on electric vehicles. Its much easier to have constant throttle and then use a clutch to modulate power to the rear.
2013 was the release of Tom Cruise movie Oblivion.
A decade passed. Voilà!
Don’t get sucked into the scam. Batteries don’t take a charge after a while & batteries for Tesla are 30K!
14k is more acurate 85kwh
It sucks that a Tesla can get on average 300k miles before a battery change.
That cost 6k for the newest cell technology upgrade. It really sucks
Especially when it gets cheaper every 6 months and gets constant software updates.
You've sadly been scammed already, jay. You are buying into lies from someone that has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to battery longevity.
Your audio is horrible, 😖
We are working on it. Thanks for the feedback
Useful.
Honestly It’s not horrible, it’s probably your ears
@@GAHO. Honestly, you cant hear it cause your ears are muffled by your butt cheeks.😝
Got mine ordered, should be at my door on 3/2. I'm not an EV person. As a matter of fact I said I'll boycott EV's as long as Biden is in office, but I'm excited about this one.
Congrats on the new bike!
NO THANKS!
Raising the price after all of the issues that they have had w their bikes. Really 🤷♂️
The Varg EX and MX share the same MSRP for the 60 and 80 HP models. The biggest difference in price is the OEM incentive, which is roughly $3,000 on the Varg Mx models
@ what’s oem incentive
Big fail: no public charge capability? People are going to crap themselves when they find out they've only got 30 miles of usable battery if they really want to grab a handful on the road.
This is a connect-the-trails bike, not an adventure, touring bike, or any kind of street bike.
What kind of trails are you connecting with only 30-40 miles of range, though? You get a 15 to 20 mile go out, then come back. That's not insignificant. But until you live under that range anxiety, it's not going to be apprent to non owners. *can* the bikes go further than expected (depending on the situation)? Sure. But when you're 10 miles away and 10% battery, you can probably guess at how you're going to get out of that situation.
Agreed with @dr.x4050. It's not a dual sport, highway ride type bike. Connect the trails like the ICE racebikes with lights/turn signals. You have to do an oil change on those after a couple rides; they are not highway-type dual sports either.
Lots of mountain trails are connected by a few miles stretches of gravel or asphalt roads. That type of connect-the-trails riding is the intent. Not riding from town, or your house, to the trails. Granted, you can get away with short section of road on dirt-only bikes, but at least this is full-on legal. And then, if you want to run across town for an errand, you can. But the street-use/license plate is just an easy add on. This is really just an enduro bike like KTM and Yamy make. Rather than MX suspension and number plates (and close ratio transmissions vs wide on the ICE bikes), you get soft offroad suspension and headlight/brake/tail lights. The plate thing is just a bonus if you want it. Otherwise just license it as offroad only but get the offroad (rather than MX) setup.
@@timt1346 I get about the same range with my YZ125x, so I just think of the Varg EX as a (somewhat heavy) dirt bike with a plate. That's all. This or the 350 EXC-F, for example, will allow me to ride on dirt roads that require a plated bike. I will need to tow the Varg EX or any dirt bike to the location if I want a lot of dirt-riding time.
I have a different brand street legal electric dirt bike in Pennsylvania and no foot brake. Not sure where a foot brake is required but I had no issues getting my bike street legal and inspected in PA. I'm a big fan of the hand brakes. I almost want this Stark but I'm concerned about range on pavement. my 4.2kwh bike struggles to do 20 miles at back road speeds. The starks 7.2kwh battery would be better than what I have but not by much. I'd bet it's street range over 45mph is in the 30-40 mile ballpark. Starks lists up to 6hrs ride time but the ride time listed for PRO MX hard pack is only 37 minutes. It's street range will disappoint many but off-road your body will want a break before the bike. Another con is lack of an on board L2 charger many people interested in electric bikes already have an electric vehicle and charger. Having to haul around a battery charger everywhere is annoying, Hopefully it is small enough to fit comfortably in a back pack. You'll want to take that charger with you if going anywhere over 20 miles or likely won't make it back. I'm not trying to hate on this bike I actually want one but if a highway range was listed you'd see what I'm trying to point out. Somebody will surely take this on a high speed rip down a back road and find they don't have the range they expected
RIP off, the suspension is horrible due to centre of gravity (motor weight) and they’re silent so racing them in groups is dangerous end of! It’s a gimmick
Idk if you’re just slow or what but I rode it at full clip in a south NJ harescramble (B class) and podiumed out of the box. The KYB SSS is an industry benchmark (that ktm guys spend thousands to fit to their bike) and the chassis dynamics here are well suited to it in this instance.
DONT BUY OR SUPPORT THESE KIND OF BIKES. this is a move to take away gas powered bikes..
You been warned !!!!!!!
Long live gas bikes!
BRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!
Yet another diabolical, sinister, and insidious plot to make bikes more efficient. If you try it, you may never come back the same.
I'll buy whatever I want, thanks. You buy what you want.
Stop smoking the pipe bro