Crash of a Cessna 172N Skyhawk II Into a Hangar at Long Beach Airport, California (10 July 2023)

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  • Collision with terr/obj (non-CFIT): Cessna 172N Skyhawk II, N3307E, accident occurred 10 July 2023 at Long Beach Airport (LGB/KLGB), Long Beach, California:
    Original Publish Date: November 2, 2023
    The flight instructor reported that he was on the ramp, observing his student pilot practice landings while flying solo. During the student pilot's first landing, he observed the left wing and main gear lift, and the student pilot overcorrected to the left and exited the runway into grass. The student pilot elected to execute a go-around, but impacted the rooftop of a hangar. The airplane sustained substantial damage to the wings and fuselage. The instructor reported there were no preaccident mechanical malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operation.
    Probable Cause: The student pilot's failure to maintain directional control during landing and the subsequent go-around, which resulted in impact with a hangar.
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  • @78XT500
    @78XT500 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    The hangar saved his life.

  • @coriscotupi
    @coriscotupi 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    See it from the bright side, he fell from 15 feet onto the hangar roof, instead of the 45-foot drop to the ground.

  • @bigc8300
    @bigc8300 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    People think they can just park anywhere. SMH.

  • @Migglesworth
    @Migglesworth 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    In other words, he was not ready to solo. This was an instructor failure.

  • @thomasmartin7425
    @thomasmartin7425 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

    In 1986 BEFORE I soloed i was sticking landings, emergency procedures, stalls, and PROVED to my outstanding instructor that i was ready and prepared to go out on my own. I had to PROVE IT. He made me EARN my solo. Back then solos were a sacred right of passage. I don't have the first damn clue what's happening now but GA has gone way downhill. I can tell when I'm flying who is who. That is a damn shame. We are talking about people's lives! Especially on the ground! We pilots are given A PRIVILEGE to fly aircraft over peoples homes and schools. Goddammit tighten it up CFI's!

    • @thewatcher5271
      @thewatcher5271 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I Couldn't Agree More. Thank You. (Like #4)

    • @fjbtube6278
      @fjbtube6278 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I’m observing a pattern that leads back to lackadaisical minimum standards by CFI’s now. This student wasn’t ready to solo

    • @theflyinglife1
      @theflyinglife1 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I don't know the circumstances leading up to this or the quality of the training. But I do know in 1986 aviators were perfectly capable of killing themselves at that time too.

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theflyinglife1 For sure. But Im referring to statistics. Please reference the current stats regarding modern proficiency vs incidents data.

    • @theflyinglife1
      @theflyinglife1 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thomasmartin7425 I didn’t know about this. Would be very interested to read it if you have it off hand.

  • @murrayhowe8388
    @murrayhowe8388 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Pilot.."Why are my balls hurting so much???? Aaaagh the yoke is crushing them..."

  • @jeffhicks1008
    @jeffhicks1008 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Forgot to retract the flaps when the pilot decided to do a go-around.

    • @HughShower
      @HughShower 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should never retract the flaps during a go-around procedure until you’re in a stable climb and well above ground level. Doing it that close to the ground would result in loss of lift and a possible stall.

  • @jpdunamislodge
    @jpdunamislodge 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    N model 172’s are great airplanes. I ran 2 of them with long range fuel for 10 years flying pipeline. Awesome machine for that job.

  • @MichaelWillems
    @MichaelWillems 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    “You can’t park there, sir!”

  • @timothyroberts8347
    @timothyroberts8347 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Hope pilot is ok , remember you planes go inside the hanger not on the roof of the hanger

  • @olympiashorts
    @olympiashorts 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Looks to me like the flaps might be a factor here. Can't tell for sure from the video but the plane is looking awfully slow. I'm guessing that they were not retracted per the POH. This can happen to anyone in the early days of their training.

  • @cgtbrad
    @cgtbrad 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Prob had a lot of up trim and didn't push the yoke to counteract it on the go around.

    • @boydw1
      @boydw1 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep, that's what it looked like to me too (probably coupled with a lot of flap deployed).

  • @jmy6050
    @jmy6050 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Incredible skill really. Not every pilot can land on a roof and walk away.

  • @sparky6200
    @sparky6200 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Great job of both training & evaluating lazy-ass hour-building CFI

    • @yamkaw346
      @yamkaw346 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Can’t always blame this kind of thing on the instructor, especially when he’s not in the plane.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Good job making baseless assumptions.

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100% (on the hours-building, not the dutchy-bs).

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@yamkaw346 student had 53 hours and it was the first solo. How many weeks/years did those 53 hours take? And how many instructors? Maybe the pilot still wasn’t ready (clearly), and still got signed off? Who should we blame that on, sunspots? How many dual hours and flights had they taken together? How old was the CFI? How many students did the CFI have before, and how many hours total? Have any others had accidents? How about the school, they have a good record? Bottom line, there are a lot of questions and answers that can go into an effective root cause analysis, but capitalism, resources, and politics prevent us from getting to any real root causes. The first rule of thumb is to blame the PIC and only the PIC, whenever possible. The NTSB goes out of their way not to hold schools, DPEs, CFIs, and “the system” accountable, except in the most egregious circumstances, usually when it was fatal and nobody is likely to sue. Even then they don’t dig deep, and avoid publishing certain facts.

    • @yamkaw346
      @yamkaw346 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RetreadPhoto I agree with everything you said. There are many questions to be asked, unlike the original comment that just assumed full blame on then CFI with no knowledge of the situation. That’s why I said you can’t “always” blame the CFI. Of course it is possible the CFI was largely in the wrong but we don’t know and shouldn’t make blatant assumptions with zero background info.

  • @daveluttinen2547
    @daveluttinen2547 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I found that practicing go around procedures while parked between flights helped to improve muscle memory. Miss a step can be overcome but if you get behind there is not a lot of time to correct and if you are not experienced enough, you end up on top of a hanger looking like Charlie Brown's kite. Glad the student pilot was okay. Sad to see that 172 wrinkled.

  • @chefduane3742
    @chefduane3742 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Learned to fly at KFUL and have flown into LB many times. First thing I thought when saw this was "Push the stick forward!"

  • @scottbeyer101
    @scottbeyer101 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    In my PPL training we had to do dozens of go-arounds for practice. To me, they were all so innocuous. Just like take off (except too much flaps) ease in the power, add right rudder and push elevator down as necessary to maintain airspeed. These training aircraft really don't have that much engine torque to overcome. I get the stress of a big ass engine torquing the plane but a C172 or PA28? Brain farts happen I guess.

    • @RaspySquares
      @RaspySquares 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Kids out here soloing while not knowing how flight works.

  • @petepeterson5337
    @petepeterson5337 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I believe that plane has a maximum flap setting of 40 degrees, which can be a hand full for an insufficiently capable pilot. Climbing with 40 degrees of flaps (if that happened) will be difficult too, and stalling could be easier.

  • @jpdunamislodge
    @jpdunamislodge 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I kept my instructor in the airplane with me until I had at least 30 hours. I wanted to know everything that he knew before he got out and left ALL of the flying shit to me. When I felt like I was ready to solo and asked him to sign me off he told me that he would sign me off for both a cross country and my first solo on the same flight. I said thank you, I will take that as a compliment. I told him that I was just going solo to today.

    • @Food.Dog.Car.
      @Food.Dog.Car. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm at 34 hours, soloed for the first time at 21. It did feel too soon, but I had the knowledge to get it back on the ground. Now, for my XC, I'm having a bit more nerves leaving the safety of the pattern.

  • @janofb
    @janofb 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Damn. Pitch for speed, power for altitude. He needed speed.

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pull back to go up, pull back harder to go down.

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wrong. Power is for speed, pitch is for altitude. Learn how pitch trim works please-

    • @jingle1161
      @jingle1161 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In this case I’d both lower pitch and add power for speed

    • @janofb
      @janofb 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Flies2FLL yeah, that's what he did. Didn't work out so well did it. Because his angle of attack was high. YOUR way only works with a low angle of attack. And you're handle says "Flies". I wouldn't get in a plane with you. You think what he did was correct.

    • @txkflier
      @txkflier 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Flies2FLL With or without power, you must pitch for speed. Otherwise, you won't be able to control the plane. You must not let the speed go below 1.2x the stall speed with the wings level or 1.4x the stall speed when turning (less than 30° bank).

  • @PowerfulTruth
    @PowerfulTruth 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agree with those who said “looks like the flaps were never retracted.” Made that mistake once, as a Student Pilot, and lived to tell about it. Stayed airborne, and avoided an expensive incident like this one. This pilot in the video was very lucky to walk away with only minor injuries, and a priceless lesson. We have Checklists for very good reasons.

    • @dasdguy7606
      @dasdguy7606 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      same. I rushed through my check list and left the flaps down. The airplane was shaking so bad I aborted.

  • @Jigsaw407
    @Jigsaw407 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Clearly not ready to go solo ... what the hell, instructor?

  • @drivemr.2
    @drivemr.2 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hope the pilot is alright and continue flying with this precious experience

  • @robappeldorn2162
    @robappeldorn2162 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Not the worst landing

  • @bernie2108
    @bernie2108 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Pedantic I may be, but he crashed ONTO a hanger never in it.

  • @markmatuszak4527
    @markmatuszak4527 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some people are just NOT meant to be pilots and fly airplanes. It's hard as an Instructor, but sometimes you just have to sit them down and tell them straight out - "You can't do this..." You need to take-up something else.

  • @TheShowblox
    @TheShowblox 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    how the hell did it manage to land vertically on a hangar roof

  • @robappeldorn2162
    @robappeldorn2162 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Fine building construction

  • @oscar_charlie
    @oscar_charlie 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Let me guess, the instructor didn't teach him properly how to do a go-around or a touch-and-go?
    Classic case of not trimming down before lift-off, will always get you in trouble.

  • @jollyroger8822
    @jollyroger8822 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's what I call a solid hangar.

  • @VIN.100
    @VIN.100 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Belle mise en pratique de l’expression « atterrir sur le toit » 😅

  • @C.D.-tz6sk
    @C.D.-tz6sk 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe he should try Roto-wing... They do land on buildings!

  • @dermick
    @dermick 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not sure what that flight school has as a minimum capability of a student before solo, but either this student forgot his training or was not trained right. Sure glad it turned out as well as it did. I can think of many worse scenarios for that student pilot and the people on the ground.

  • @bsure4
    @bsure4 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    air density ?

  • @Gkitchens1
    @Gkitchens1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks like he tried the go around with zero power, maybe full flaps still?

  • @rnzoli
    @rnzoli 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:23 no wonder instructors are howling "MORE RIGHT RUDDER!!!!" to their students so often.
    There is a need for A LOT of right rudder with slow flight, maximum power and high angle of attack.

  • @jmldreamer
    @jmldreamer 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rooftop parking ! A new thing at airports !

  • @DogDuwer
    @DogDuwer 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Max pitch trim problem? Or just completely inept stick and rudder skills. Go get a glider cert first, learn how to actually fly?

  • @RetreadPhoto
    @RetreadPhoto 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why not build confidence and reduce risk by requiring full stop and taxi back? Risk management 101. Cut the strings too early? And that looks like a massive AOA.

    • @oscar_charlie
      @oscar_charlie 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because that will do you no good the day you have to go around for real. What if a gust destabilizes the plane just before touchdown? Or there's a runway incursion? Or you float too much and decide you can't safely stop in the available distance?
      This stupidity of "all landings are full stop" has injured or killed people before, and needs to stop.

  • @scottpatrick8645
    @scottpatrick8645 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's not that bad of a landing if you're trying to crash into a hanger.

  • @sunsetlights100
    @sunsetlights100 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hows the student after accident!

    • @aviationaccidentsNTSBcases
      @aviationaccidentsNTSBcases  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      minor injuries only

    • @sunsetlights100
      @sunsetlights100 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aviationaccidentsNTSBcases very lucky pilot interesting channel chers

  • @bombud1
    @bombud1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sounds like the pilot froze.

  • @eradicator187
    @eradicator187 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some people should just stick to their skateboard.

  • @jeremycovelli
    @jeremycovelli 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    if you're on the grass.. probably should brake instead of go around...

  • @madison362007
    @madison362007 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey! You can't park there!

  • @swanvictor887
    @swanvictor887 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ryanair have offered the kid a job.....

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hate when that happens.

  • @MarcusSimmer1
    @MarcusSimmer1 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    adiquit.

  • @dalesmth1
    @dalesmth1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not enough speed. Rotated too soon. AoA forced a stall.
    Rooky mistake.

  • @DARANGULAFILM
    @DARANGULAFILM 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It just goes to show that all the willpower in the world while pulling on the yoke will not sustain flight when the aircraft is what supports the willpowerer, not the other way around. No doubt one or two pilots have dreamed it, nightmared it even but never in the real world contemplated doing it until an overwhelming reflex unexpectedly prevails and has to be fought off. Footnote. I am a groundfowl, not a requited aviator. On reflection that may be a good thing for the world at large.

  • @benparadude2028
    @benparadude2028 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pull back on yoke, buildings get small……pull too much on yoke, building’s get big again…🤓

  • @Yokovich_
    @Yokovich_ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    adiquit

  • @elbsegler-tv
    @elbsegler-tv 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    GTA 👍😎🍻

  • @mot-trance
    @mot-trance 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thats exactly the same peoples what think they can drive a car on a street... Licenses for all driving activitys has to be deleted from such peoples. That was ast clear a pilots mistake by stalling the plane !!!

    • @janvanhaaster2093
      @janvanhaaster2093 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ah, you never make any mistake? It is a student = learning, and yes, you best learn from your mistakes...

    • @mot-trance
      @mot-trance 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@janvanhaaster2093 You are absolutely right. I never make any mistake. I always have the option how to do everything safe. For example... over 40 years with more than 800.000 km without any exident.

  • @aurelienlaurent5630
    @aurelienlaurent5630 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a noob pilot.

    • @rnzoli
      @rnzoli 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yepp, actually a student pilot, gaining valuable experience (for a lot of other people too).

  • @ClearedAsFiled
    @ClearedAsFiled 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Touch and goes for student pilots are dangerous and should never be performed (solo)

    • @oscar_charlie
      @oscar_charlie 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not teaching them has killed a solo student on a cross-country a few years ago. And potentially another one a couple months ago.
      Stop spreading this kind of mythology. They need to be taught properly to prepare students for real-life aborted landing scenarios.

  • @danb6838
    @danb6838 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Uhhh-- uh--Haha.......ZZOINKS !!! 🤣