Crash of a Cessna 172N Skyhawk II Into a Hangar at Long Beach Airport, California (10 July 2023)
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- Collision with terr/obj (non-CFIT): Cessna 172N Skyhawk II, N3307E, accident occurred 10 July 2023 at Long Beach Airport (LGB/KLGB), Long Beach, California:
Original Publish Date: November 2, 2023
The flight instructor reported that he was on the ramp, observing his student pilot practice landings while flying solo. During the student pilot's first landing, he observed the left wing and main gear lift, and the student pilot overcorrected to the left and exited the runway into grass. The student pilot elected to execute a go-around, but impacted the rooftop of a hangar. The airplane sustained substantial damage to the wings and fuselage. The instructor reported there were no preaccident mechanical malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operation.
Probable Cause: The student pilot's failure to maintain directional control during landing and the subsequent go-around, which resulted in impact with a hangar.
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The hangar saved his life.
See it from the bright side, he fell from 15 feet onto the hangar roof, instead of the 45-foot drop to the ground.
People think they can just park anywhere. SMH.
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In other words, he was not ready to solo. This was an instructor failure.
In 1986 BEFORE I soloed i was sticking landings, emergency procedures, stalls, and PROVED to my outstanding instructor that i was ready and prepared to go out on my own. I had to PROVE IT. He made me EARN my solo. Back then solos were a sacred right of passage. I don't have the first damn clue what's happening now but GA has gone way downhill. I can tell when I'm flying who is who. That is a damn shame. We are talking about people's lives! Especially on the ground! We pilots are given A PRIVILEGE to fly aircraft over peoples homes and schools. Goddammit tighten it up CFI's!
I Couldn't Agree More. Thank You. (Like #4)
I’m observing a pattern that leads back to lackadaisical minimum standards by CFI’s now. This student wasn’t ready to solo
I don't know the circumstances leading up to this or the quality of the training. But I do know in 1986 aviators were perfectly capable of killing themselves at that time too.
@@theflyinglife1 For sure. But Im referring to statistics. Please reference the current stats regarding modern proficiency vs incidents data.
@@thomasmartin7425 I didn’t know about this. Would be very interested to read it if you have it off hand.
Pilot.."Why are my balls hurting so much???? Aaaagh the yoke is crushing them..."
Forgot to retract the flaps when the pilot decided to do a go-around.
You should never retract the flaps during a go-around procedure until you’re in a stable climb and well above ground level. Doing it that close to the ground would result in loss of lift and a possible stall.
N model 172’s are great airplanes. I ran 2 of them with long range fuel for 10 years flying pipeline. Awesome machine for that job.
“You can’t park there, sir!”
Hope pilot is ok , remember you planes go inside the hanger not on the roof of the hanger
Looks to me like the flaps might be a factor here. Can't tell for sure from the video but the plane is looking awfully slow. I'm guessing that they were not retracted per the POH. This can happen to anyone in the early days of their training.
Prob had a lot of up trim and didn't push the yoke to counteract it on the go around.
Yep, that's what it looked like to me too (probably coupled with a lot of flap deployed).
Incredible skill really. Not every pilot can land on a roof and walk away.
Great job of both training & evaluating lazy-ass hour-building CFI
Can’t always blame this kind of thing on the instructor, especially when he’s not in the plane.
Good job making baseless assumptions.
100% (on the hours-building, not the dutchy-bs).
@@yamkaw346 student had 53 hours and it was the first solo. How many weeks/years did those 53 hours take? And how many instructors? Maybe the pilot still wasn’t ready (clearly), and still got signed off? Who should we blame that on, sunspots? How many dual hours and flights had they taken together? How old was the CFI? How many students did the CFI have before, and how many hours total? Have any others had accidents? How about the school, they have a good record? Bottom line, there are a lot of questions and answers that can go into an effective root cause analysis, but capitalism, resources, and politics prevent us from getting to any real root causes. The first rule of thumb is to blame the PIC and only the PIC, whenever possible. The NTSB goes out of their way not to hold schools, DPEs, CFIs, and “the system” accountable, except in the most egregious circumstances, usually when it was fatal and nobody is likely to sue. Even then they don’t dig deep, and avoid publishing certain facts.
@@RetreadPhoto I agree with everything you said. There are many questions to be asked, unlike the original comment that just assumed full blame on then CFI with no knowledge of the situation. That’s why I said you can’t “always” blame the CFI. Of course it is possible the CFI was largely in the wrong but we don’t know and shouldn’t make blatant assumptions with zero background info.
I found that practicing go around procedures while parked between flights helped to improve muscle memory. Miss a step can be overcome but if you get behind there is not a lot of time to correct and if you are not experienced enough, you end up on top of a hanger looking like Charlie Brown's kite. Glad the student pilot was okay. Sad to see that 172 wrinkled.
Learned to fly at KFUL and have flown into LB many times. First thing I thought when saw this was "Push the stick forward!"
In my PPL training we had to do dozens of go-arounds for practice. To me, they were all so innocuous. Just like take off (except too much flaps) ease in the power, add right rudder and push elevator down as necessary to maintain airspeed. These training aircraft really don't have that much engine torque to overcome. I get the stress of a big ass engine torquing the plane but a C172 or PA28? Brain farts happen I guess.
Kids out here soloing while not knowing how flight works.
I believe that plane has a maximum flap setting of 40 degrees, which can be a hand full for an insufficiently capable pilot. Climbing with 40 degrees of flaps (if that happened) will be difficult too, and stalling could be easier.
I kept my instructor in the airplane with me until I had at least 30 hours. I wanted to know everything that he knew before he got out and left ALL of the flying shit to me. When I felt like I was ready to solo and asked him to sign me off he told me that he would sign me off for both a cross country and my first solo on the same flight. I said thank you, I will take that as a compliment. I told him that I was just going solo to today.
I'm at 34 hours, soloed for the first time at 21. It did feel too soon, but I had the knowledge to get it back on the ground. Now, for my XC, I'm having a bit more nerves leaving the safety of the pattern.
Damn. Pitch for speed, power for altitude. He needed speed.
Pull back to go up, pull back harder to go down.
Wrong. Power is for speed, pitch is for altitude. Learn how pitch trim works please-
In this case I’d both lower pitch and add power for speed
@@Flies2FLL yeah, that's what he did. Didn't work out so well did it. Because his angle of attack was high. YOUR way only works with a low angle of attack. And you're handle says "Flies". I wouldn't get in a plane with you. You think what he did was correct.
@@Flies2FLL With or without power, you must pitch for speed. Otherwise, you won't be able to control the plane. You must not let the speed go below 1.2x the stall speed with the wings level or 1.4x the stall speed when turning (less than 30° bank).
Agree with those who said “looks like the flaps were never retracted.” Made that mistake once, as a Student Pilot, and lived to tell about it. Stayed airborne, and avoided an expensive incident like this one. This pilot in the video was very lucky to walk away with only minor injuries, and a priceless lesson. We have Checklists for very good reasons.
same. I rushed through my check list and left the flaps down. The airplane was shaking so bad I aborted.
Clearly not ready to go solo ... what the hell, instructor?
Hope the pilot is alright and continue flying with this precious experience
Not the worst landing
Pedantic I may be, but he crashed ONTO a hanger never in it.
Some people are just NOT meant to be pilots and fly airplanes. It's hard as an Instructor, but sometimes you just have to sit them down and tell them straight out - "You can't do this..." You need to take-up something else.
how the hell did it manage to land vertically on a hangar roof
Fine building construction
Let me guess, the instructor didn't teach him properly how to do a go-around or a touch-and-go?
Classic case of not trimming down before lift-off, will always get you in trouble.
That's what I call a solid hangar.
Belle mise en pratique de l’expression « atterrir sur le toit » 😅
Maybe he should try Roto-wing... They do land on buildings!
Not sure what that flight school has as a minimum capability of a student before solo, but either this student forgot his training or was not trained right. Sure glad it turned out as well as it did. I can think of many worse scenarios for that student pilot and the people on the ground.
air density ?
Looks like he tried the go around with zero power, maybe full flaps still?
1:23 no wonder instructors are howling "MORE RIGHT RUDDER!!!!" to their students so often.
There is a need for A LOT of right rudder with slow flight, maximum power and high angle of attack.
Rooftop parking ! A new thing at airports !
Max pitch trim problem? Or just completely inept stick and rudder skills. Go get a glider cert first, learn how to actually fly?
Why not build confidence and reduce risk by requiring full stop and taxi back? Risk management 101. Cut the strings too early? And that looks like a massive AOA.
Because that will do you no good the day you have to go around for real. What if a gust destabilizes the plane just before touchdown? Or there's a runway incursion? Or you float too much and decide you can't safely stop in the available distance?
This stupidity of "all landings are full stop" has injured or killed people before, and needs to stop.
It's not that bad of a landing if you're trying to crash into a hanger.
Hows the student after accident!
minor injuries only
@@aviationaccidentsNTSBcases very lucky pilot interesting channel chers
Sounds like the pilot froze.
Some people should just stick to their skateboard.
if you're on the grass.. probably should brake instead of go around...
Hey! You can't park there!
Ryanair have offered the kid a job.....
I hate when that happens.
adiquit.
Not enough speed. Rotated too soon. AoA forced a stall.
Rooky mistake.
It just goes to show that all the willpower in the world while pulling on the yoke will not sustain flight when the aircraft is what supports the willpowerer, not the other way around. No doubt one or two pilots have dreamed it, nightmared it even but never in the real world contemplated doing it until an overwhelming reflex unexpectedly prevails and has to be fought off. Footnote. I am a groundfowl, not a requited aviator. On reflection that may be a good thing for the world at large.
Pull back on yoke, buildings get small……pull too much on yoke, building’s get big again…🤓
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Thats exactly the same peoples what think they can drive a car on a street... Licenses for all driving activitys has to be deleted from such peoples. That was ast clear a pilots mistake by stalling the plane !!!
Ah, you never make any mistake? It is a student = learning, and yes, you best learn from your mistakes...
@@janvanhaaster2093 You are absolutely right. I never make any mistake. I always have the option how to do everything safe. For example... over 40 years with more than 800.000 km without any exident.
What a noob pilot.
yepp, actually a student pilot, gaining valuable experience (for a lot of other people too).
Touch and goes for student pilots are dangerous and should never be performed (solo)
Not teaching them has killed a solo student on a cross-country a few years ago. And potentially another one a couple months ago.
Stop spreading this kind of mythology. They need to be taught properly to prepare students for real-life aborted landing scenarios.
Uhhh-- uh--Haha.......ZZOINKS !!! 🤣