@@tylerberman7527 Goku got SSjGod through a wish, SSjBlue by using a rage form in calm God Ki, he got SSj3, SSj2, the spirit bomb and Kaioken through bullshit otherworld training, Instantaneous movement through Aliens, Vegeta got SSj2 by letting someone mind control him (don'teven get me started on his 4/5ish undeserved god forms), Gohan got Ultimate by Elder Kai, Saiyans get stronger by losing, Goku Black got stronger for no reason other than he's the villain, Cell got stronger by absorbing cyborgs, Buu got stronger by splitting and then fusing again, Zamasu wasn't getting folded by God's despite being a Kaioshin, Broly folded True Golden Freeza and SSjB despite having trouble with base, SSj and SSjGod because Broly, Gohan folded SSjBerzerk Kefla in base, A17 went from < Imperfect Cell to just below SSjBlue by ranging a park. Oh yeah and Goku got Ultra Instinct Omen by getting hit with his own Spirit Bomb and Vegeta got Ultra Ego cause Beerus taught him like 1 move. Point is Dragon Ball (other than SSj2 Gohan and SSj Grades 1-4) has never made sense.
If Hedo really did take data from the Moro arc for inspiration to make Gamma 1 and 2’s strength, then it still wouldn’t make sense to me because blue is god ki and cannot be sensed, unless he made something to feel how much of a power level there was in everyone or maybe they just based it off of 73 Moro when his power was still sensible.
@@Asmokedetector He used instant transmission to return to earth after self destructing, he probably can sense energy but I don't think any of the other Gero androids could.
I am in agreement that Hedo's tech is not based on the Granolah arc. Nor is Gohan's framework of what Goku and Vegeta are capable of. It's all running from Moro knowledge
but even then, it’s surprising that he’d say Goku UI may struggle against Cell-M, especially since Goku UI said Moro was the toughest villain he’s fought and that’s after he went up against Broly and Jiren so is Gohan also stronger than Broly and Jiren now?
@@issy785 yeah. Gohan only assumed goku and vegeta would have trouble because *he* was having trouble. He likely forgot the huge power gap between them even if he doesn't know about ultra ego/instinct xp
Respectfully disagree about the whole point of it he movie. It's not to make Gohan surpass them. It's bringing Gohan and Piccolo back up to relevance and finally drilling it into Gohan's head that he can't slack off anymore.
Goku's hair is already not white. It's silver. BTW. Hedo can't sense God Ki so he probably couldn't notice/replicate that. I think he replicated Goku & Vegeta's base forms with Gammas.
So you mean to tell me the battle we saw of Goku and Jiren with all those crazy effects. Gohan and Piccolo can now beat that? Including Hits time skip stuff?
@@MetaITurtle yes. He's far surpassed every competitor in the TOP, Gohan has as well. Now if Jiren is stronger than he was in TOP, that would make sense but needs to be stated. If you were to throw Orange Piccolo and Gohan from Super Hero into TOP tho, they'd wash everyone.
It makes sense that goku/Vegeta don't transform. This is placed so far in the future that they DEFINITELY have some new form we haven't seen yet. They've also trained in base plenty in super. Goten/Trunks have been shown to not really train at the end of Z so they probably suck at fusion. I think it's done in a way that at the very least makes sense, imo.
Of course Goku and Vegeta could kill cell Max, this wasn't there movie though. I don't understand fans always complaining about Goku getting all the attention and when he finally doesn't people still bitch.
5:01 I think that may have been a factor but it's probably moreso that Toriyama liked Cell's Semi Perfect form the most and originally wanted it to be his final form but his editor insisted he changef it because it was too ugly and he just didn't see it fit to represent his peak.
Frieza: Goes from namek saga level to SSB level in 6 months while beating up literal fodder. DB Fans: LETS GOOOO! FRIEZA’S BACK!! Broly: Goes from around buu saga level to Post ToP Blue level and Even with a Post ToP fusion in like an hour or 2. DB Fans: YEAAAAAA BROLY!!!! Gohan: Trains off and on for a year or so and gets a boost that puts him on par with current goku and vegeta. DB Fans: THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Either be consistent with your bitching or be consistent with turning off your brain and enjoying the fights..
1: broly had to survive on a tough planet for most of his life without learning how to control his power and with that collar; he never had the chance to power up too much. 2: it's been established that frieza started off with the power he had before and it wasn't just beating up fodder because we saw that that training put tagoma on the same level as ssj gohan, plus frieza had done years of mental training in hell. 3: neither broly nor frieza spent most of their time studying or sitting behind a desk most of the time. Gohan's overhyped half-saiyan potential isn't a good enough reason to explain how he could get close to where goku and vegeta are. Especially since his potential peaked at super buu. it would be acceptable if gohan went through more like future trunks before he got it. If gohan being a half-saiyan is enough to make him that strong even with training then they could say a quarter saiyan like pan could get stronger than that :p
@@Axel_Kasai None of what you just said changes the point. It doesn't make sense across the board. Frieza only needed 6 months to make up a Power gap built up over 10+ yrs? Nah. If he had a good training partner then sure but Tagoma is fodder. The only reason he could fight SS Gohan is because Gohan was super rusty. Buu Saga Gohan would have one shot Tagoma with no difficulty whatsoever. Vampa is a hostile world yea but Broly didn't struggle to survive even as an infant. Him closing that power gap in AN HOUR at most still doesn't make sense. As far as Gohan is concerned there's plenty of evidence he trains off screen so this misnomer that all he does is study is just flat out wrong. Even in the movie he implies on 2 separate occasions that he does still train. If Frieza can reach blue level while basically using Tagoma as a punching bag why is it so unacceptable Gohan hit blue level (and beyond) training with Piccolo? He's stronger than Tagoma so why not?
@@Axel_Kasai Also. His potential didn't peak at buu. No idea where you got that from especially since his potential is directly acknowledged and shown in Super. If he peaked he would be unable to get stronger. Which is blatantly false.
@UCYmXQuC8mrheuIaos37SWIw Maybe. Maybe not. We don't have any precedent one way or another. We have several examples of half saiyans being far stronger than their full blood counterparts at similar Ages.
There was no statements in the movie hinting or even alluding to Gama 1 and 2 being anywhere near the strength of powered up Goku and Vegeta. Idk who DMed you but theres no support for that claim. In fact, there's evidence against that.When piccolo compared them to Goku in Vegeta he likely imagined them in Base form. Not to mention Base form Piccolo and SSJ 2 Gohan was putting up a good fight against the Gammas. When Gohan went Ultimate Gohan, Gamma 1 couldn't even land a hit on him for the rest of their fight. Remember not just anyone could sense God ki. Even if Hedo saw his fight with Morro, doesn't mean he could gauge how strong they are as he would have no way of sensing God, Blue, or UI.
Wow if that’s the case I wonder how strong are Piccolo’s and Gohan’s new power ups. Cause if Piccolo thinks Gamma 1&2 are Base Goku and Vegeta level then that means Base Goku and Vegeta would rival Piccolo and SSJ2 Gohan. However if CellMax is beyond Goku and Vegeta and Piccolo and Gohan scales to CellMax then their transformations are definitely strong.
Honestly the movie was good is better than what people expected and the animations for the fighting scenes were good. Not better than Broly but that’s because that movie was the peak and this movie had a lot slice of life moments and people just like fights more in general.
The one thing I am wondering is... Bro how the fuck are these normal-ass people making robots able to crack universes yet Bulma can't make Vegeta's clothes indestructible.
You know the bug from the top he actually no diffs all of the Buu saga because he pressed Android seventeen,base Goku, piccolo,and a super Saiyan Vegeta level oppenents bug dude solos buuhan and Vegito at the same time
Seeeeee look, I think this movie IS a little bit better than the Broly movie only because I love the goofy slice of life side of dragon ball. The movie did kind of feel like they took a fanfiction and Toriyama kinda tweaked it tbh. Especially the Gohan transformation scene being 1 to 1 recreation of the ssj2 scene. BUT one thing I can say is I love how they mirrored the Quetzalcoatl noble phantasm against Tiamat with the gamma 2 vs cell Max scene. The Vegeta and Goku vs Broly fight is still the best animated fight in dragon ball though. It probably won't be surpassed until we get to the Granola arc depending on who they have in the studio. Broly movie also had a better soundtrack. I have both movies at a 10 tbh. Just for different reasons. Broly is a perfect movie to me because they made one of my least favorite characters in Broly into one of my favorite characters by giving him a literal personality. And having my favorite character Vegeta put in that work. Great choreography, fusion was great although it didn't feel necessary since we didn't see SSBE or UI first. And the soundtrack is just unforgettable Super hero is the perfect super hero movie. It's very childish, doesn't ever take itself too seriously, and it's a more emotionally charged movie. Laughed literally the entire way through.
@@rushpatriot2866 the mostly positive reactions should really give the writers a hint that we want other characters to have relevance in future arcs. He doesn't have to beat a main villain, he just needs to have the ability to make a difference. Henchmen should be Piccolo's bread and butter.
16:05 what are you saying lmao, it’s stated by Whis, an actual angel himself, that Goku has “perfect ultra instinct” so yes Goku does have a completed UI, it’s not on the same level as Whis or even the grand priest, but is a form of complete mastery
I tought it was pretty goofy when dr gero created androids that were stronger than a super saiyan, but i am supposed to believe that this new androids scale up to multiverse tier characters? HOW? how does a giy just build am android capable of scaling to that level? Why cant they just be' aliens i would've bought it but the fact that a guy just fuckin built them is hysterical
@@jocoolshow isnt goku been multiversal for a while now? Hes at least Universal since battle of gods, even if you dont want to be' literal with the power scaling, a dude built 2 androids several thousand times stronger than goku super sayian god (who could destroy the universe just by clashing fists with beerus)...just read that again and tell me if it sounds right🤣
Wow. I think DBS is setting up all the ZFighters having their own god forms. Maybe the humans get their own movie next Goku = Ultra Instinct Vegeta = Ultra Ego Gohan = Final Gohan Piccolo = Namekian God Broly = Berserker Controlled through God Ki
So, Krillin has his No Ego Mode in the anime that was never brought up again; maybe Tien could get something relating to his alien ancestry; Yamcha, uh, I dunno what they could do for him; Master Roshi could actually get Ultra Instinct, or master the thing he's already shown in the manga; finally, the Androids could maybe get something similar to the Super 17 form.
I wonder if the feeling of finding out the Gammas are above UI/UE tier is similar to the feeling old time fans felt when they of found out the Androids could fold Super Saiyans way back in the day
lmao he literally didnt. gero explicitly said that after goku fought vegeta he thought he knew all of goku’s capabilities. did u forget that he was surprised by ssj???
Wow so after the interview with toyrima orange piccolo=ui goku lol, and cellmax is said to be stronger then broly. Beast gohan has to be stronger then ui goku and ue vegeta if it happens in the anime at this point.
@@JewMaster69 No, piccolo stated that the gammas are already goku and vegeta level (dbs broly ssj blue), and he just one punched one of them with his orange form. Not even broly ssj 1 one punched goku ssj blue, vegeta ssj blue or golden freeza, or passed them out instantly in one blow like piccolo did with the gamma. And piccolo also was fighting cell max without eating the senzu bean, so he wasn't at full power, but still survived in the end. I think piccolo at full power could be near cell max level and he could have a better and more balanced fight with him. Akira said that piccolo is on par with goku and co (could be vegeta and broly here).
@@kleber_felinto we’re using goku n vegeta from the moro arc since this movie takes place after that arc. also broly didnt one shot goku or vegeta because he never landed a blow on them when he was ssj. also when orange piccolo fought cell max he was at full power because after he one shotted gamma 2 the only other fight he was in was against cell max
@@JewMaster69 If it's goku and vegeta from moro arc then this just upscales piccolo even more. Because vegeta has his ssj blue evolution, so the gamma would be this level and piccolo even above, lol
@@JewMaster69 Also Broly landed blows on freeza for 1 hour and he didn't passed out or even lost his golden form, golden freeza is near the ssj blue level.
I don't think the moro and granola arc are canon to the movie. There was a statement saying after the tournament of power gohan returned to his studies whereas in the moro arc its clearly shown gohan has been training and has gotten so strong that goku barely recognized him.
Ok tell me why than he has to regain ultimate again? It's a joke seriously people complain about gokus plot armor look at Gohan ever since he's been a character he got strong because "hybrid potential" and yet no other hybrid gets near as much of that shit as he does.
I can accept the gammas being maybe Omen goku level but Idk mastered I feel like it's pushing it, we see the full upper limits of Omen alot more than mastered and piccolo himself would have a better grasp of how strong it is. Frankly I see the gammas being blue+ level since vegeta did not have his variation of UI at the time however this could also work for the gammas being Omen level because vegeta can react and tank hits from an Omen level fighter in the moro arc.
Gammas are literally stated current Goku and Vegeta level which means there talking about mastered ultra instinct face it gammas one shot Vegeta no diff
Don't the Gammas also have the capability to grow stronger as they fight? IIRC something like that was stated in the show. I think they were able to analize Piccolo and Gohan's moves and adjust to them. On top of not running out of stamina due to being androids. I can see how they could be Goku and Vegeta level. They are quite formidable.
Tbh gamma would probably be even stronger than ssjb Goku since we know that Android 17 grew this much powerful to rival ssjb and gamma definitely has edge in some things over 17
No its jus goku imagined it as a form. He has it both in the manga. He can use it with whatever form he wants whether its base or ssb but his MUI FORM is still the strongest
@@dazai2734 for now. MUI is basically Goku's equivalent of Blue Evolved integrated with UI. In the long run, Red UI will become better than MUI, and if Goku is ever able to 100% integrate his god ki into his base and perfect his base then that perfected god base with UI will be even better than Red UI
@@priestesslucy Wtf r u talking about rn. MUI's boost is massively greater than blue evolved even if it did still have UI. WTF r u talking about with this Red UI. Nigga r u trollin rn? I cant tell
If we're finally making piccolo and gohan relevant again why not do the same with goten and trunks? They talk about gohan having the potential to be stronger than goku constantly in the movie but are we just gonna forget goten and trunks treating super saiyan like a joke💀at the youngest ages
The point of this movie is to make gohan the strongest ON EARTH. It was to make gohan who he always was, a hero. To give him a threat that can't be solved so easily and to show that he shouldn't let his guard down on the chance goku and vegeta aren't there. To say gohan surpasses them is jumping the shark imo. If anything they are saying the antags could be near broly, but even broly would get stomped out by UI if Ui truly is above ssjb gogeta. plus in this timeline, Granolah and Moro didn't even happen, it's a sequel to the broly movie. So let's not get crazy.
Without the manga, Gohan pretty much solos the anime verse rn. There’s just no debate. Goku/Vegeta don’t have their Ultra forms in the anime continuity. The Gammas are on par with Goku/Vegeta, so even Orange Piccolo has surpassed their Blue forms.
My question is how are people not tired of this movie having the same plot as most of the other dbz movie, some villain from the past or related to a villain from the past threatens to destroy the world so now the Z warriors must gang up on him or one of them must unlock a new form.
I didn’t think the movie was better than the Broly movie. I did watch the movie with an open mind. I liked what they did for piccolo, and I liked Gamma 2. I didn’t like the new Gohan transformation cuz it’s like a fan drawn character.
Because obviously when Piccolo says "they're about as strong as Goku and Vegeta" he means the weakest possible states of Goku and Vegeta. So smart, so relevant.
The movie didn't seem next level fan service in my opinion. The movie was going to feature piccolo as the main protaginist, and popular characters that were thought to appear in the movie, such as Perfect Cell, Broly, and majin buu did not play a major role in the film. This movie was literally a dragon ball movie made out to how Toriyama wanted it to be. I'm a believer that Toei weren't too thrilled on the idea of piccolo, the red ribbon army and semi perferct cell being the climatic focus of the movie, which explains why the movie was not heavily market as the broly film, since the idea of a Broly movie was Toei's idea. Toriyama seemed to have alot of control over the script of this movie, and Toei respected his wishes to have piccolo play the lead role, but compromised with him to add Gohan as a secondary protagonist and giving him a new form. This is even more evident, when Final Gohan literally uses Piccolo's special move to kill off Cell Max, thus giving props to Piccolo for being a great teacher. Other than that, this was a movie, fans did not truly ask for entirely, however it did give try to serve to please the fanbase by giving a fight scene chorography with most of the popular lead characters playing a role in the final fight, which were nto present in the previous dragon ball super films.
Nah movie is not canon to the manga. Movie takes place after Broly movie, probs before Moro 'anime' arc if that ever happens. Hedo could not have seen Moro arc Goku and Vegeta fight on earth, because he has never seen aliens before, since Saiyans were intriguing to him, think about how imposing Moro would be. The main take from this movie ks that Gamma 1 and 2 compete with Goku and Vegeta from the Broly movie (where funnily enough they just use Blue as their highest form of power) especially given how Jiren js a topic of discussion in the movie, whivh by manga standards makes no sense since Jiren was surpassed by 7-Moro-3. Gammas are probs Broly movie Blue level, Ultimate Gohan and Orange Piccolo being relative/above that and Cell Max being like FP SS Broly level + (next enemy > last enemy type of thing) especially given how Gogeta Blue was needed for Broly. Basically Gogeta being the absolute Goku and Vegeta duo power. So if Gogeta Blue from Broly movie is 50/50 on defeating Cell Max, then Final Gohan being on that level pre-Moro (still manga doesn't seem to mix into this) is the most possible explanation.
No. A recent V jump article confirms that it takes after Granolah and Moro arc. Or just simply use your brain and see goten, trunks and pan's age. Also heavy headcanon right there. It has been even confirmed by the Authors that indeed Gohan final form is the strongest in Dragon ball so cope. Gohan and Piccolo one shots ToP.
@@gohanblanco5641Hedo was analyzing Goku's battle data based on his fights. With the exception of Majin Buu being a known entity, Hedo has never seen aliens before, therefore making it impossible for him to have reviewed any fights where Saiyans have engaged with aliens like Moro and Freeza. We know Gammas are aware of Super Saiyan but that's it, the rest is alien to them and Hedo.
3:15 writers should have at least had Goten and Trunks go full power ssj2 before attacking Cell Max, then make their excuse for achieving that form be from consistent training with Android 17 whose strong enough to push them beyond their limits 🤷♂️ maybe have Piccolo unlock his ultimate form from Elder Kai and have that Orange Form be something that is a result of him breaking his limits 🤷♂️ maybe also have 17 and 18 fight the Gammas 🤷♂️ idk something like that, movie was ok but it could have used better writing
I think complete ultra instinct for goku (if they move away from him having white hair) will just be his black hair that stands up like ssj. Either that or goku gets rainbow hair lolol. Only places left to go are multicolored hairs or ss4 at this point
That what i was saying on how the power scaling somehow was broken again with the gammas,orange piccolo,final Gohan,and cell max all these chars are literally some of the strongest of the verse now
Another crazy thing is that ultimate Gohan might not even be just be on the gammas level. At the end of the fight Gohan was lokey like holding gamma 1 against the floor and about to split his jaw and gamma 1 couldn't even get him off. Gohan only stopped cause piccolo asked him to. Even before he's about to snap his jaw Gohan is either washing him or fighting on equal foot because he got sneak attacked when talking to piccolo. He might even be stronger than orange since piccolo wanted Gohan to charge up in ultimate to kill cell max rather than piccolo doing it. The power scaling in this movie just doesn't make sense.
Piccolo didn't eat the senzu bean, he probably couldn't charge his SBC. And even if he ate the senzu instead of gohan, how would gohan keep cell max distracted only in his tired ss for orange piccolo charge his SBC? So that's probably why piccolo gave him the senzu cuz his orange form still had enough energy to keep cell max distracted. Ultimate Gohan is only a bit stronger than the gammas, but they have more stamina as advantage.
And the gammas are probably ui omen and ssbe level from moro arc, cuz piccolo said the gammas were goku and vegeta level, he saw moro arc mui but don't saw ue, in the next manga arc, which is a prequel that connects with the dbs sh movie, they confirmed that goku and vegeta will keep training on beerus planet after the granola arc, so piccolo didn't see vegeta since the moro arc end, so no ue/mui comparison for the gammas. And toriyama said piccolo is only on par with goku (mui/tui goku post granola arc), if the gammas were ue level, then piccolo would be leagues above goku, not on par. What could explain ultimate gohan fight in par with a gamma could be that after getting almost killed by moro 73 he got a zenkai recovering, differently from goku and vegeta he doesn't have god ki, so he can still get zenkai boosts, and he also was enraged against gamma1.
@@kleber_felinto Firstly Piccolo can charge special beam, secondly gohan fights cell max with piccolo for a bit and during their small 1v1 gohan holds his own with cell max so he's strong enough to keep him distracted and thirdly gohan bodies gamma 1 in the first 5 seconds of the fight and again is only equal when he wasn't even looking at gamma 1 so he's more than just a bit stronger. For everything else I never said how strong the gammas were or compared them to ue.
@@brolylook662 Gohan could keep up with cell max after eating the senzu and turning ultimate, in regular ss he needed the help of the others, if piccolo ate the senzu, in a 1v1 gohan couldn't distract him using normal ss for orange piccolo charge his fp SBC. And after gohan and piccolo keep up with cell max, he emerged and became even stronger by raising his aura, this is when he folds piccolo completely. Orange piccolo at full power is clearly more stronger than ultimate gohan at full power, just see the gammas fight, but on the cell max battle he just was more tired meanwhile ultimate gohan was at full power, and he didn't eat the senzu cuz ss gohan couldn't distract him in a 1v1.
Gohan stoping his training then getting into one fight then all of a sudden skipping the line to be the supposed strongest out of all the characters angers me. Fan service for fan service sake is fine because at the end of the day I love a spectacle but from a story perspective I have issues with it narratively because rot basically implies that Gohan doesn’t need agency ever and can be as powerful as they want even if he never decides to fight again
@@Cedricfilms I doubt it because it completely throws away any narrative tensions and if it is in fact true then I’d say Gohan would be an even worse character
Until we get to see a point in Dragon Ball Super up to right before this movie, Gohan would just scale above every verison of Goku in the anime and manga up until a form of Goku that comes after this movie
@@RedRag684 It's 2 forms of it just like SSJ and SSJ2 is sometimes referred as the same thing "Super Saiyan" even tho SSJ2 is an upgraded and stronger form
@@GoldLND so theres ultra instinct, ultra instinct sign, and mastered ultra instinct that has never been mastered even though goku said he mastered it?
My guess for the gammas power scaling is that they are blue level at most. The Dragon ball super manga past the T.O.P has not been 100% announced as canon to anything prior to the superhero movie SO FAR although it was briefly mentioned in promotional material, and if it is/was officially announced then o well this is wrong. But the most accurate assumption to me is that the gammas would be blue level if we're going off of the power that Goku and Vegeta last showed on their last fight on earth (canonically proven as vs Broly) whereas individuals they only went as high as blue level (disregarding Gogeta blue's power). And even beyond that, I think it's the case since in the T.O.P ultimate Gohan after months of training was no stronger than ssj god at least (and if you want to be generous blue), as he fought against and along side blue Goku and Vegeta both before and during the tournament and did well. And it would make no sense for Gohan to get a slight upper hand on gamma 1, someone who is supposedly blue level in a form where he hasn't practiced for supposedly over a year at a minimum.
This is before moro ark, and right after the broly movie.. so it can’t be moro ark Goku and vegeta. And that actually makes your theory make more sense. The gamas may have base potential plus Android hacks for vegeta and goku.
"How do they crack Cell Max' Head?" This is a Japanese Super Hero film. A staple of Japanese Super Heroes is the Soccer Finisher where everyone invests their power into the ball. That wasn't just Gotenks' heabutt, it was everyone's kick combined with his headbutt.
Final Gohan is Akira Toriyamas original design for Super Sayian and its still his favorite, Toriyama basically gave Gohan the original Super Sayian design before it was changed
I would not have an issue if Gohan got that form if he trained with whiss, what is the point of having God ki if you can just asspull a new transformation with Gohan who has not trained in years now stronger than God energy or Ui Goku im like like OMFG! NO if Gohan had done training with Whis yes
What the t.o.p is like 1 year ago and the moro arc in only like 7 months ago from the movie. He trained in those fights. And if you remember in dbsuper before the t.o.p ultimate Gohan was on par with ssb Goku and in the movie Gohan literally said that he was training here and there sorry for spoilers if you haven't watched it
@@TCJV125 The movie made it evident that Gohan has been neglecting his training and he was never on par with blue. Look back at his fight. Gohan essentially begged Goku to go Kaioken.
Because it kinda crazy that gammas that were made by humans are above god level chars and cell max would no diff everyone in the top even tho he incomplete
The only logical way for the gammas power is that they are based off moro arc goku. No way in hell he followed them to cereal and we all know goku and vegeta get massively stronger from moro to gas
The Broly movie is so amazing. Every bit of it was awesome. Super Hero was incredibly underwhelming. It was a movie that was carried by transformations and fan service. Broly was about character and amazing action. Yeah there was cool transformations, but that’s not what made the movie.
The only good thing about that movie is goten and trunks have matured ...this movie was kinda made to acknowlwdge lord slug from the movie ..and also to Acknowledge Gohan as a Prodigy
I didn't get the impression that the gamma were in the level of goku and vegeta. In fact it felt like they were kept out of the fight because they would stomp. They needed stronger then gohan and picollo to push them to the next level. But it didn't appear that any of them until gohan were on that level.
@@Chiefteeth1 unfortunately character statements are poor use of scaling. Especially when feats are especially pronounced. An un trained gohan was able to match one of them. That same gohan who was practiced in the TOP and was no where near the top few fighters at that time. Then taking into account how much stronger both vegeta and goku got over the last 2 arcs. Picollo got beat up and said wow they might be as strong as goku and vegeta. Without the ability to sense there power at all. It's the same situation as the other androids they had no idea if they could win against them until they hit there limits. Piccolo is leagues below goku and vegeta and honestly hasn't interacted with them much in quite some time combat wise. To think that these androids are just at or above jiren level all based off of a piccolo statment is quite a reach.
@@Chiefteeth1 An accurate guage of normal power, yeah. Not a single person without God Ki can sense God Ki, canonically Piccolo shouldnt even be able to sense Gokus power in any of his God transformations, which would mean hes ONLY taking into account their base forms.. especially considering Goku and Vegeta dont use their SSJ forms anymore, and their base is now greater than their old SSJ forms. Context clues that are blatant would allude Piccolo only referring to base.
@@wilrip78 piccolo statement is also backed up by Gohan statement who said that Goku and Vegeta won't be able to beat Cell max who shit stomped both Gamma 1 and 2
I guess Tien will never get the spot light 😒. The only other character that trains just as much as Goku & Vegeta in universe 7, but gets weaker instead of getting stronger 😑.
I thought this was the more enjoyable film compared to BoG, RoF and Broly…but it’s not better than BoG and Broly. The Beerus section was so unnecessary, just there for Goku and Vegeta marketing. They just had a whole Goku/Vegeta/Broly movie, why they gotta be in this film that has nothing to do with them?
Why not? Them being in the film led to some funny and cool moments. I don't think them being in the film detracted from anything so I don't see the issue
Probably would have been cooler if maybe gohan had an internal struggle about depending on his father to protect those around after losing in the end having goku to save him teases his tail growing back at the end of the movie and in the next series gets super 4 from GT Probably would look cooler and give him something more unique
The best the DR Hedo statement can get u would have to be the broly movie because the movies is a continuation to the anime being that the anime and manga are different continuities and the last thing that happened in the anime is technically the broly movie so gamma 1 and 2 are just the same as blue goku and blu vegeta from the broly movie, at least I would think that’s the most consistent outcome
Nvm I don’t even know anymore because I just watched more of the video and Seth said that they mention the granola arc and the Moro arc this movie is just retarded 😭
I still fully believe Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan right now and they could beat cellmax mid-low dif. Also even then the gammas were compared to base Goku and Vegeta by piccolo meaning that to piccolo they were base Goku and Vegeta level and it took base piccolo and ssj2 Gohan to match them which says a lot
They where not compared to base Goku and Vegeta they where compare to Goku and Vegeta meaning there full power if they where stated to be as strong as there base they he would have said that but he didn’t so stop
@@gintokithetrollgod i heavily doubt gamma 1 and 2 were compared to mui ghoku when ultimate gohan who utterly destroyed gamma 1 or 2 not sure is only around supressed ssb level
@@TheGamingShogun How does that mean base form? Piccolo said that they are as strong as goku and vegeta, if he meant base that's not "as strong as" that's "They are kinda strong like Goku and Vegeta, or almost as strong". Taking the translation like that that means he meant it as powerful as Goku and Vegeta were. You'd have to bend the statement to make your base statement more true, so it's more implied he's talking about them at full power, or more like relative. (Which at what point goku and vegeta it is they talk about in the video)
Superhero isnt crazier than Broly. That movie was filled with fan service but people give it a pass because they love the animation and nostalgia. Broly beat up 2 ssbss but it's crazy to think an android can match them? Power scaling is dead in dbs period
My issue with it is that i can deal with a saiyan being freakyshly strong, but dr hedo just deadass builds the gamma and im supposed to believe this guy can build fucking multiversal level beings?
@@kesenaememere8520 sure but i can buy that hes a natural talent and he just learns as he fights, i mean sure the jump in power is gigantic but hes a saiyan, on the other hand the gammas were just built by a kid who cant even sense ki? And im supposed to believe that you can just build a fucking android capable of destroying multiple universes? Yeah no i doubt that
@@sashalai3987 Cope harder. Dr Gero built Androids capable of destroying Solar Systems. And just FYI IMPERFECT Cell was stated to be a threat to the “entire universe”.
@@chewezx1767 what do you mean cope lmao i know it happened im just saying i think its bullshit lol, it was bullshit when gero did it and its even worse now that in supposed to believe that this goofy ass dude built 2 androids stronger than goku and vegeta when they fought jiren
I would assumed that anything after the Tournament of Power isn’t relevant to the anime or the movies, and Hedo obviously couldn’t gather information from the World of Void, so I don’t see how he could actually gather information about Ultra Instinct. Not to mention, going by the movies alone, Ultra Instinct has yet to appear. Of course Ultra Ego is out of the question.
I have a question for y'all. So I saw this post about Madara (game feats) vs Aizen (game feats). People there are saying Madara stomps etc etc because of his game feats in Storm 4 etc while Aizen's game feats are only from Jump Force and BBS iirc. What do you guys think? Because IMO, Soul King Aizen (BBS) that looks like Asriel (God of Hyperdeath form) should be able to solo Naruto and Borutoverse because this Aizen is should superior to Muken Aizen because this Aizen fused KS with Hogyoku, and I think also absorbed the Soul King. What are you guy's opinion about game feats Madara vs game feats Aizen?
Bleach games have next to no feats at all for bleach unfortunately, but the new bleach game that will come out (Watch Jaymeshansons video about it) may give you some cool stuff. Don’t worry about that though. Storm game feats are inconsistent, mainly Storm 3. Storm 4, could be a borderline manga adaptation because not much changes.
The movie plot was written so poorly there were a thousand ways you could have written a piccolo gohan focused movie without having character stupidity in also every scene Goku and Vegeta could have easily be training far away across the universe and Broly shouldn't have been reintroduced in the movie
Goku did get a new form in the manga. He just has black hair now. Some people think he went back to Omen/Sign, but it's really just Goku eliminating transformations as seen at the end of Z. I call the form Ultra Sayain Instinct.
This movie was ok at best. The Red Ribbon was underwhelming. They didn't feel like a major return. You can tell it was more slice of life. I didn't like Piccolo wishing to unlock his potential. Lazy writing. This idea could've been used for the TOP. Piccolo wished for his version SS God and Blue in this movie. Gohan's new form is cool but weird looking in certain frames. Curious about Jiren and the Gods after this. 5.9 out of 10.
@@JACQUEZ23 um I will back it up then. Piccolo this whole time could've got his hands on the Namekian book of Legends and see if it's a new way to acquire a new power up but instead oh let's go the lazy way and wish for the power. For the TOP that's fine to do that cause its desperate times and a lot is at stake. Otherwise for this situation it's lazy dude. Everybody might as well do that at this point.
My opinion its perfectly in line with og DBZ movies... tree of might, revenge of cooler but much better than Bio Broly or the Tapion movie lol I'd say if you go into this with Fusion Reborn level of quality in mind you'll enjoy it... DBS Broly is in another tier tho...
I’ve seen reviews and not one of them said that gamma 1 and 2 are Goku and vegeta level the only line of the film that I know is that cell max is potentially stronger than Goku and vegeta so I don’t know what translations your talkin about.
There’s not one movie or show that can look good if you nitpick every single thing like you’re a hater stick with that,If I have looked at this before seeing movie I would think it’s dog shit. But because I actually go there to enjoy it’s good
Lowkey missed this duo
It feels like 2017 all over again ;_ )
Nostalgia duo
Last time you'll see them together
“Last time you’ll see them together”
This aged horribly
I'm glad you brought up the Gotenks thing. The moment they failed to fuse, my only thought was "Yeah, Gotenks would be too useful."
The reason why AkiTor said this was better was because he prefers a more humorous side of DB.
I think he’s trolling now
Hes effectively made his own series a fanfic
@@tylerberman7527 that's pretty based tho
@@jesuspernia8031 nah been like that since og db go watch Dr slump
@@tylerberman7527 Goku got SSjGod through a wish, SSjBlue by using a rage form in calm God Ki, he got SSj3, SSj2, the spirit bomb and Kaioken through bullshit otherworld training, Instantaneous movement through Aliens, Vegeta got SSj2 by letting someone mind control him (don'teven get me started on his 4/5ish undeserved god forms), Gohan got Ultimate by Elder Kai, Saiyans get stronger by losing, Goku Black got stronger for no reason other than he's the villain, Cell got stronger by absorbing cyborgs, Buu got stronger by splitting and then fusing again, Zamasu wasn't getting folded by God's despite being a Kaioshin, Broly folded True Golden Freeza and SSjB despite having trouble with base, SSj and SSjGod because Broly, Gohan folded SSjBerzerk Kefla in base, A17 went from < Imperfect Cell to just below SSjBlue by ranging a park.
Oh yeah and Goku got Ultra Instinct Omen by getting hit with his own Spirit Bomb and Vegeta got Ultra Ego cause Beerus taught him like 1 move.
Point is Dragon Ball (other than SSj2 Gohan and SSj Grades 1-4) has never made sense.
18:07 to be fair we've never seen a namekian naturally transform from training outside of fusion
His sentence makes no sense
Yeah I don’t think Namekains are usually capable of transforming. Needing Shenron to achieve a higher form makes sense.
If Hedo really did take data from the Moro arc for inspiration to make Gamma 1 and 2’s strength, then it still wouldn’t make sense to me because blue is god ki and cannot be sensed, unless he made something to feel how much of a power level there was in everyone or maybe they just based it off of 73 Moro when his power was still sensible.
Hedo can not sense ki anyway ☠
your common sense doesn't matter
Yeah, the scientists could never sense Ki themselves, that argument doesn’t really work.
@@linkfan6555 this begs the question, could Cell sense ki? 🤔
@@Asmokedetector He used instant transmission to return to earth after self destructing, he probably can sense energy but I don't think any of the other Gero androids could.
@@gazs2277 he also used ki sensing to find where piccolo was fighting 17
Gohan bulling gamma 1 and piccolo treating gamma 2 like his son was funny as shit.
I don't even need to see the movie to visualize that because of the reference.
It was so funny 😂
I am in agreement that Hedo's tech is not based on the Granolah arc.
Nor is Gohan's framework of what Goku and Vegeta are capable of.
It's all running from Moro knowledge
This makes sense, gohan might not even know what ue is
but even then, it’s surprising that he’d say Goku UI may struggle against Cell-M, especially since Goku UI said Moro was the toughest villain he’s fought and that’s after he went up against Broly and Jiren
so is Gohan also stronger than Broly and Jiren now?
@@issy785 no Because that'd mean cell max is God of destruction level at least lol
@@Axel_Kasai that’s fax, so i’m guessing gohan was jus trippin?
@@issy785 yeah. Gohan only assumed goku and vegeta would have trouble because *he* was having trouble. He likely forgot the huge power gap between them even if he doesn't know about ultra ego/instinct xp
Respectfully disagree about the whole point of it he movie.
It's not to make Gohan surpass them. It's bringing Gohan and Piccolo back up to relevance and finally drilling it into Gohan's head that he can't slack off anymore.
*Final Gohan has longer hair exactly like Cell Games SS2, he also sadistically smirks, just like Cell Games SS2.*
The movie is made to make Gohan fans hard
I kinda doubt that because that's what the tournament of power was for.
@@Axel_Kasai nah after tournament of power Gohan didn't really train as shown in the Moro arc
@@intelsucks7365 it still brought him back to relevance after he barely fought in battle of Gods/resurrection F and sat out for the goku black arc.
Can’t wait for you guys to powerscale Piccolo new forms and Final Gohan.
they already did, did you not watch the video?
@@Asmokedetector I think he means in more detail and not messing around like he's doing here, could be wrong though.
Final Gohan and orange piccolo can be argued above Mui Goku and ultra ego Vegeta by statements
@@gameuniverse5973 is the movie out yet?
@@jextern2287 yes but only in Japanese with also subtitles
Goku's hair is already not white. It's silver. BTW. Hedo can't sense God Ki so he probably couldn't notice/replicate that. I think he replicated Goku & Vegeta's base forms with Gammas.
"it's not white, it's silver" 🤓
hedo can't sense any ki so regular ki or god ki, it doesn't matter to him
it’s more like a dark grey, goku’s ui hair is white/silver
Lol, even if he couldn't know of mui, he could still base it on moro.
I lol'd at the idea of Orange Piccolo tanking Jiren and one-shotting him. It's funny because it's very likely to be true!
So you mean to tell me the battle we saw of Goku and Jiren with all those crazy effects. Gohan and Piccolo can now beat that? Including Hits time skip stuff?
@@MetaITurtle yes. He's far surpassed every competitor in the TOP, Gohan has as well. Now if Jiren is stronger than he was in TOP, that would make sense but needs to be stated. If you were to throw Orange Piccolo and Gohan from Super Hero into TOP tho, they'd wash everyone.
@@salvadorcardenas9317 god that’s depressing
@@MourningCoffeeMusic this is legit how every arc in Super has been. It's so wack.
@@MourningCoffeeMusic Damn you must of been depressed throughout all of Z then.
It makes sense that goku/Vegeta don't transform. This is placed so far in the future that they DEFINITELY have some new form we haven't seen yet. They've also trained in base plenty in super. Goten/Trunks have been shown to not really train at the end of Z so they probably suck at fusion. I think it's done in a way that at the very least makes sense, imo.
Of course Goku and Vegeta could kill cell Max, this wasn't there movie though. I don't understand fans always complaining about Goku getting all the attention and when he finally doesn't people still bitch.
2017 seth and chuck vibes
The duo is finally back
5:01 I think that may have been a factor but it's probably moreso that Toriyama liked Cell's Semi Perfect form the most and originally wanted it to be his final form but his editor insisted he changef it because it was too ugly and he just didn't see it fit to represent his peak.
Seths on the ball again. Now Black hair Ui omen is being improved and built up. Sayian instinct Ui might stay as a black hair form.
Frieza: Goes from namek saga level to SSB level in 6 months while beating up literal fodder.
DB Fans: LETS GOOOO! FRIEZA’S BACK!!
Broly: Goes from around buu saga level to Post ToP Blue level and Even with a Post ToP fusion in like an hour or 2.
DB Fans: YEAAAAAA BROLY!!!!
Gohan: Trains off and on for a year or so and gets a boost that puts him on par with current goku and vegeta.
DB Fans: THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Either be consistent with your bitching or be consistent with turning off your brain and enjoying the fights..
1: broly had to survive on a tough planet for most of his life without learning how to control his power and with that collar; he never had the chance to power up too much.
2: it's been established that frieza started off with the power he had before and it wasn't just beating up fodder because we saw that that training put tagoma on the same level as ssj gohan, plus frieza had done years of mental training in hell.
3: neither broly nor frieza spent most of their time studying or sitting behind a desk most of the time.
Gohan's overhyped half-saiyan potential isn't a good enough reason to explain how he could get close to where goku and vegeta are. Especially since his potential peaked at super buu.
it would be acceptable if gohan went through more like future trunks before he got it.
If gohan being a half-saiyan is enough to make him that strong even with training then they could say a quarter saiyan like pan could get stronger than that :p
@@Axel_Kasai None of what you just said changes the point. It doesn't make sense across the board.
Frieza only needed 6 months to make up a Power gap built up over 10+ yrs? Nah. If he had a good training partner then sure but Tagoma is fodder. The only reason he could fight SS Gohan is because Gohan was super rusty. Buu Saga Gohan would have one shot Tagoma with no difficulty whatsoever.
Vampa is a hostile world yea but Broly didn't struggle to survive even as an infant. Him closing that power gap in AN HOUR at most still doesn't make sense.
As far as Gohan is concerned there's plenty of evidence he trains off screen so this misnomer that all he does is study is just flat out wrong. Even in the movie he implies on 2 separate occasions that he does still train. If Frieza can reach blue level while basically using Tagoma as a punching bag why is it so unacceptable Gohan hit blue level (and beyond) training with Piccolo? He's stronger than Tagoma so why not?
@@Axel_Kasai Also. His potential didn't peak at buu. No idea where you got that from especially since his potential is directly acknowledged and shown in Super. If he peaked he would be unable to get stronger. Which is blatantly false.
@UCYmXQuC8mrheuIaos37SWIw Maybe. Maybe not. We don't have any precedent one way or another. We have several examples of half saiyans being far stronger than their full blood counterparts at similar Ages.
There was no statements in the movie hinting or even alluding to Gama 1 and 2 being anywhere near the strength of powered up Goku and Vegeta. Idk who DMed you but theres no support for that claim.
In fact, there's evidence against that.When piccolo compared them to Goku in Vegeta he likely imagined them in Base form. Not to mention Base form Piccolo and SSJ 2 Gohan was putting up a good fight against the Gammas. When Gohan went Ultimate Gohan, Gamma 1 couldn't even land a hit on him for the rest of their fight.
Remember not just anyone could sense God ki. Even if Hedo saw his fight with Morro, doesn't mean he could gauge how strong they are as he would have no way of sensing God, Blue, or UI.
Wow if that’s the case I wonder how strong are Piccolo’s and Gohan’s new power ups. Cause if Piccolo thinks Gamma 1&2 are Base Goku and Vegeta level then that means Base Goku and Vegeta would rival Piccolo and SSJ2 Gohan. However if CellMax is beyond Goku and Vegeta and Piccolo and Gohan scales to CellMax then their transformations are definitely strong.
@@BlueCosmo369 don't think Cell Max is beyond Goku and Vegeta either
@@BlueCosmo369 I fully believe UI Goku and ue Vegeta destroy cellmax
Copium
@@jaredrawlins9853 LITERALLY💀 dude made a whole bunch of headcanon about Piccolo imagining Goku and Vegeta in base form😭
Honestly the movie was good is better than what people expected and the animations for the fighting scenes were good. Not better than Broly but that’s because that movie was the peak and this movie had a lot slice of life moments and people just like fights more in general.
It’s was ok at best
Where are you guys even finding the movie at, I tried online and 0 luck so far
@@fourest8125 9 anime
It's trash
The one thing I am wondering is... Bro how the fuck are these normal-ass people making robots able to crack universes yet Bulma can't make Vegeta's clothes indestructible.
Glad to see mom and dad back together
..... Chuck's the mother isn't he.
I mean obviously
10:44 I can't imagine Bergamo and Katopesla stomping Buuhan either but here we are.
base form cabba dog walks buuhan
ssj cabba dog walks ritual ssg goku
Agreed
You know the bug from the top he actually no diffs all of the Buu saga because he pressed Android seventeen,base Goku, piccolo,and a super Saiyan Vegeta level oppenents bug dude solos buuhan and Vegito at the same time
Gohan does have a different aura so it might not clash as you think
To be fair, when Gohan's hair goes white, his hair also doubles in size. 1/3rd of the man's total size is his fucking hairdo.
Seeeeee look, I think this movie IS a little bit better than the Broly movie only because I love the goofy slice of life side of dragon ball.
The movie did kind of feel like they took a fanfiction and Toriyama kinda tweaked it tbh. Especially the Gohan transformation scene being 1 to 1 recreation of the ssj2 scene.
BUT one thing I can say is I love how they mirrored the Quetzalcoatl noble phantasm against Tiamat with the gamma 2 vs cell Max scene.
The Vegeta and Goku vs Broly fight is still the best animated fight in dragon ball though. It probably won't be surpassed until we get to the Granola arc depending on who they have in the studio. Broly movie also had a better soundtrack.
I have both movies at a 10 tbh. Just for different reasons.
Broly is a perfect movie to me because they made one of my least favorite characters in Broly into one of my favorite characters by giving him a literal personality. And having my favorite character Vegeta put in that work. Great choreography, fusion was great although it didn't feel necessary since we didn't see SSBE or UI first. And the soundtrack is just unforgettable
Super hero is the perfect super hero movie. It's very childish, doesn't ever take itself too seriously, and it's a more emotionally charged movie. Laughed literally the entire way through.
Dude thank you for not being biased
@@mauricejohnson2351 thank you for taking time to read my ramblings
You're reacting the 240p video and saying the animation is bad?! Lol. These TH-camrs are fucking crazy..
Exactly😂😂😂 acting like they seen it theaters. This is why i saw the goresh review way better than this shit
I love this movie so much. Finally Piccolo is relevant again
He'll be relevant for one arc and we won't even see that arc for 5yrs. we're no where near fighting gas in the anime
@@rushpatriot2866 the mostly positive reactions should really give the writers a hint that we want other characters to have relevance in future arcs. He doesn't have to beat a main villain, he just needs to have the ability to make a difference. Henchmen should be Piccolo's bread and butter.
@@Ffeoli1039 Positive reaction? This movie is the lowest grossing of all modern DB movies
@@yorknew423 that has a lot more to due to things that aren't about the actual movie
Garbage way to make piccolo relevant. A wish to be stronger 🤦🏽♂️ how do people like this horrible writing?
16:05 what are you saying lmao, it’s stated by Whis, an actual angel himself, that Goku has “perfect ultra instinct”
so yes Goku does have a completed UI, it’s not on the same level as Whis or even the grand priest, but is a form of complete mastery
Anyone got da link👴🏿
Final goku form will just be base, kinda like how whis is always in completed UI in his base
I tought it was pretty goofy when dr gero created androids that were stronger than a super saiyan, but i am supposed to believe that this new androids scale up to multiverse tier characters? HOW? how does a giy just build am android capable of scaling to that level? Why cant they just be' aliens i would've bought it but the fact that a guy just fuckin built them is hysterical
They're not multi versal, but even if they were, Android 17 scaled to GoD Topping and serious Jiren in some way so
@@jocoolshow isnt goku been multiversal for a while now? Hes at least Universal since battle of gods, even if you dont want to be' literal with the power scaling, a dude built 2 androids several thousand times stronger than goku super sayian god (who could destroy the universe just by clashing fists with beerus)...just read that again and tell me if it sounds right🤣
It's anime, anything can happen.
@@heyman373 actual mouthbreather take
@Bob Pierson you do realise Iron man made a suit that could keep up with a hulk that is universal, right?
It still doesn’t make sense how the red ribbon army is making androids that are fucking stronger than kid buu
This
Like I aint seen hero yet, but I already kind of hate the scope. It's the leftover fodder from 8 arcs ago jumping to relevance.
It’s dragon ball of course it can happen it never made sense they could make 17, 18 and cell.
How the hell could you question this but not question Gero making 4 Androids in a cave stronger than Freeza and a Super Saiyan.
Nah they made androids as strong as gods like holy shit they make Dr gero look like a dumbass in comparison
Wow. I think DBS is setting up all the ZFighters having their own god forms. Maybe the humans get their own movie next
Goku = Ultra Instinct
Vegeta = Ultra Ego
Gohan = Final Gohan
Piccolo = Namekian God
Broly = Berserker Controlled through God Ki
It would be nice if one of the humans got a new form.
So, Krillin has his No Ego Mode in the anime that was never brought up again; maybe Tien could get something relating to his alien ancestry; Yamcha, uh, I dunno what they could do for him; Master Roshi could actually get Ultra Instinct, or master the thing he's already shown in the manga; finally, the Androids could maybe get something similar to the Super 17 form.
Who tf there fighting damn god himself like that over kill
You guys forgot gamma one is now part of the z fighters and he has a similar ability too broly adaptation so they might be perfect training partners
orange piccolo doesnt use god ki
I wonder if the feeling of finding out the Gammas are above UI/UE tier is similar to the feeling old time fans felt when they of found out the Androids could fold Super Saiyans way back in the day
Except they’re not
@@zenkaiforms Well even if they aren’t they’re soundly SSB tier at the very least which is still pretty ridiculous
@@123GOHANZ fair enough
12:43 “hedo didn’t see granolahs arc”
So? Gero didn’t see freiza arc 🤷♂️
lmao he literally didnt. gero explicitly said that after goku fought vegeta he thought he knew all of goku’s capabilities. did u forget that he was surprised by ssj???
Wow so after the interview with toyrima orange piccolo=ui goku lol, and cellmax is said to be stronger then broly. Beast gohan has to be stronger then ui goku and ue vegeta if it happens in the anime at this point.
imo i think toriyama meant that piccolo is on blue lvl cuz thats the form that goku has mastered rn. ui is still a work in progress
@@JewMaster69 No, piccolo stated that the gammas are already goku and vegeta level (dbs broly ssj blue), and he just one punched one of them with his orange form. Not even broly ssj 1 one punched goku ssj blue, vegeta ssj blue or golden freeza, or passed them out instantly in one blow like piccolo did with the gamma.
And piccolo also was fighting cell max without eating the senzu bean, so he wasn't at full power, but still survived in the end. I think piccolo at full power could be near cell max level and he could have a better and more balanced fight with him. Akira said that piccolo is on par with goku and co (could be vegeta and broly here).
@@kleber_felinto we’re using goku n vegeta from the moro arc since this movie takes place after that arc. also broly didnt one shot goku or vegeta because he never landed a blow on them when he was ssj. also when orange piccolo fought cell max he was at full power because after he one shotted gamma 2 the only other fight he was in was against cell max
@@JewMaster69 If it's goku and vegeta from moro arc then this just upscales piccolo even more. Because vegeta has his ssj blue evolution, so the gamma would be this level and piccolo even above, lol
@@JewMaster69 Also Broly landed blows on freeza for 1 hour and he didn't passed out or even lost his golden form, golden freeza is near the ssj blue level.
Seth and Chuck are the only sane Dragonball fans left 🐉
Only Chuck, not Seth
I don't think the moro and granola arc are canon to the movie.
There was a statement saying after the tournament of power gohan returned to his studies whereas in the moro arc its clearly shown gohan has been training and has gotten so strong that goku barely recognized him.
Ok tell me why than he has to regain ultimate again? It's a joke seriously people complain about gokus plot armor look at Gohan ever since he's been a character he got strong because "hybrid potential" and yet no other hybrid gets near as much of that shit as he does.
This movie isnt canon to the Moro and Ganola arc. The Broly movie was referenced in the manga and is canon. This movie isnt.
@@fishnutz5196 that's what I said
@@SoliderBoi_ yeah and i agree with you. Latest chapter of Super that dropped today has Goku getting even stronger so this movie is just irrelevant
@@fishnutz5196 It's the opposite, Toriyama cares more about his movie than anything in the manga.
I can accept the gammas being maybe Omen goku level but Idk mastered I feel like it's pushing it, we see the full upper limits of Omen alot more than mastered and piccolo himself would have a better grasp of how strong it is.
Frankly I see the gammas being blue+ level since vegeta did not have his variation of UI at the time however this could also work for the gammas being Omen level because vegeta can react and tank hits from an Omen level fighter in the moro arc.
Gammas are literally stated current Goku and Vegeta level which means there talking about mastered ultra instinct face it gammas one shot Vegeta no diff
A single Gamma would literally one shot the entire ToP and Goku, Vegeta. Cry ab it.
@@gohanblanco5641 Kefla solos them together. Goku and Vegeta stomp the gammas in base
@@gameuniverse5973 bro where does it state that give me proof
@@sunshinekid7799 cope Kefla gets whacked anime only watcher.
15:51
beerus: that form... that glow... that... that, indeed, is the complete... ultra instinct!
Don't the Gammas also have the capability to grow stronger as they fight? IIRC something like that was stated in the show. I think they were able to analize Piccolo and Gohan's moves and adjust to them. On top of not running out of stamina due to being androids. I can see how they could be Goku and Vegeta level. They are quite formidable.
Tbh gamma would probably be even stronger than ssjb Goku since we know that Android 17 grew this much powerful to rival ssjb and gamma definitely has edge in some things over 17
I don't think they get stronger but rather just analyze your fighting style.
We know MUI isn't genuinely mastered because it's a form.
Genuinely mastered UI is a technique that doesn't alter the body.
No its jus goku imagined it as a form. He has it both in the manga. He can use it with whatever form he wants whether its base or ssb but his MUI FORM is still the strongest
@@dazai2734 for now.
MUI is basically Goku's equivalent of Blue Evolved integrated with UI.
In the long run, Red UI will become better than MUI, and if Goku is ever able to 100% integrate his god ki into his base and perfect his base then that perfected god base with UI will be even better than Red UI
@@priestesslucy Wtf r u talking about rn. MUI's boost is massively greater than blue evolved even if it did still have UI. WTF r u talking about with this Red UI. Nigga r u trollin rn? I cant tell
If we're finally making piccolo and gohan relevant again why not do the same with goten and trunks? They talk about gohan having the potential to be stronger than goku constantly in the movie but are we just gonna forget goten and trunks treating super saiyan like a joke💀at the youngest ages
Right, Gohan had the most potential cause he was a half human saiyan hybrid. So Goten, Trunks, and Bra should be the strongest ones right?
@@jamquick5298 shiiit pan was kickin ass this movie throw her in there😂
@@KyubiCloaks yea, Pan too. I don't know her potential being further down the Saiyan bloodline but like you said; fuck it, throw her ass in there.
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 goten and trunks were 7 when they turned ssj, pan is 3 years old
And now look at them. JOKES themselves.
The point of this movie is to make gohan the strongest ON EARTH. It was to make gohan who he always was, a hero. To give him a threat that can't be solved so easily and to show that he shouldn't let his guard down on the chance goku and vegeta aren't there. To say gohan surpasses them is jumping the shark imo. If anything they are saying the antags could be near broly, but even broly would get stomped out by UI if Ui truly is above ssjb gogeta.
plus in this timeline, Granolah and Moro didn't even happen, it's a sequel to the broly movie. So let's not get crazy.
Without the manga, Gohan pretty much solos the anime verse rn. There’s just no debate. Goku/Vegeta don’t have their Ultra forms in the anime continuity. The Gammas are on par with Goku/Vegeta, so even Orange Piccolo has surpassed their Blue forms.
My question is how are people not tired of this movie having the same plot as most of the other dbz movie, some villain from the past or related to a villain from the past threatens to destroy the world so now the Z warriors must gang up on him or one of them must unlock a new form.
Idk it's just cool seeing how our main characters interact in these situations
I didn’t think the movie was better than the Broly movie.
I did watch the movie with an open mind. I liked what they did for piccolo, and I liked Gamma 2.
I didn’t like the new Gohan transformation cuz it’s like a fan drawn character.
I just realized Latin America will shit itself when this movie comes out. Imagine getting your fan form like 5 years after your guess it.
Form looks great keep hating
@@AzayBae latin americans have been nonstop hating the movie because "3d bad super bad 2d good 90's Z good"
@@JACQUEZ23 it bad it Mui but with bigger hair
Personally I loved the hell out of this movie. So much more than Broly.
But to each their own.
TBF Piccolo pictured Goku and Vegeta in base when he compared them to the Gammas. Which would line up.
So by that logic ultimate gohan would have to be weaker than base vegeta and goku for gamma 1 to toy with gohan at first? Lol go to sleep forever
Because obviously when Piccolo says "they're about as strong as Goku and Vegeta" he means the weakest possible states of Goku and Vegeta.
So smart, so relevant.
When gohan goes super saiyan the gamma says "i've been waiting for this" so he knows about and was created AT LEAST with super saiyan in mind not base
both gamma were holding back at first they only got serious when fighting ultimate forms
I’m just happy piccolo getting some clout for once
orange piccolo is my favorite form name 🤣
It's even worse seth. The moro arc and granola arc never happened in movie. It's a different timeliness basically. Director stated it in interview
It's canon
The movie didn't seem next level fan service in my opinion. The movie was going to feature piccolo as the main protaginist, and popular characters that were thought to appear in the movie, such as Perfect Cell, Broly, and majin buu did not play a major role in the film. This movie was literally a dragon ball movie made out to how Toriyama wanted it to be.
I'm a believer that Toei weren't too thrilled on the idea of piccolo, the red ribbon army and semi perferct cell being the climatic focus of the movie, which explains why the movie was not heavily market as the broly film, since the idea of a Broly movie was Toei's idea.
Toriyama seemed to have alot of control over the script of this movie, and Toei respected his wishes to have piccolo play the lead role, but compromised with him to add Gohan as a secondary protagonist and giving him a new form. This is even more evident, when Final Gohan literally uses Piccolo's special move to kill off Cell Max, thus giving props to Piccolo for being a great teacher.
Other than that, this was a movie, fans did not truly ask for entirely, however it did give try to serve to please the fanbase by giving a fight scene chorography with most of the popular lead characters playing a role in the final fight, which were nto present in the previous dragon ball super films.
I agree with you
It was all fan service lol wat?? This is a fact not a opinion
@@narutouzamaki9602 The only fan service was the forms and cell. The plot was nicely written having a different take to normal dragon ball
@@T_money808 The plot was Abysmal Writing from toriyama
@@WiSeGUYBTW It’s way better than any of the Z movies besides BOG it breathes dragon ball Toriyama’s style wacky and fun
Seth predicted the future with Goku getting a higher form of Ultra Instinct
Well goku just use omen
Nah movie is not canon to the manga.
Movie takes place after Broly movie, probs before Moro 'anime' arc if that ever happens.
Hedo could not have seen Moro arc Goku and Vegeta fight on earth, because he has never seen aliens before, since Saiyans were intriguing to him, think about how imposing Moro would be.
The main take from this movie ks that Gamma 1 and 2 compete with Goku and Vegeta from the Broly movie (where funnily enough they just use Blue as their highest form of power) especially given how Jiren js a topic of discussion in the movie, whivh by manga standards makes no sense since Jiren was surpassed by 7-Moro-3.
Gammas are probs Broly movie Blue level, Ultimate Gohan and Orange Piccolo being relative/above that and Cell Max being like FP SS Broly level + (next enemy > last enemy type of thing) especially given how Gogeta Blue was needed for Broly. Basically Gogeta being the absolute Goku and Vegeta duo power.
So if Gogeta Blue from Broly movie is 50/50 on defeating Cell Max, then Final Gohan being on that level pre-Moro (still manga doesn't seem to mix into this) is the most possible explanation.
No. A recent V jump article confirms that it takes after Granolah and Moro arc. Or just simply use your brain and see goten, trunks and pan's age. Also heavy headcanon right there. It has been even confirmed by the Authors that indeed Gohan final form is the strongest in Dragon ball so cope. Gohan and Piccolo one shots ToP.
@@gohanblanco5641 movie contradicts itself then woth character statements like Hedo's.
Whats to cope? Who cares?
Scans and sources on your side?
@@marshal8358 How does the movie contradict it? Plus even if it did it would be redundant as it was confirmed by Authors themselves.
@@gohanblanco5641Hedo was analyzing Goku's battle data based on his fights. With the exception of Majin Buu being a known entity, Hedo has never seen aliens before, therefore making it impossible for him to have reviewed any fights where Saiyans have engaged with aliens like Moro and Freeza. We know Gammas are aware of Super Saiyan but that's it, the rest is alien to them and Hedo.
@@marshal8358 Where has Hedo ever stated that he has never seen Aliens? Note the exact timing of the movie.
3:15 writers should have at least had Goten and Trunks go full power ssj2 before attacking Cell Max, then make their excuse for achieving that form be from consistent training with Android 17 whose strong enough to push them beyond their limits 🤷♂️ maybe have Piccolo unlock his ultimate form from Elder Kai and have that Orange Form be something that is a result of him breaking his limits 🤷♂️ maybe also have 17 and 18 fight the Gammas 🤷♂️ idk something like that, movie was ok but it could have used better writing
The hermano vs gohan blanco gif kills me lolol
The reason I think so cell max is in second form because If you know Toriyama has said in the past he likes Second form more than the third form.
I thought it was a better story overall. Animation wise < Broly. But I also think you’re being a bit too harsh on this.
He's spitting facts, abominable writing from toriyama
@@WiSeGUYBTW They literally spent the whole video *NOT* talking about the writing... wtf are you on about?
I think complete ultra instinct for goku (if they move away from him having white hair) will just be his black hair that stands up like ssj.
Either that or goku gets rainbow hair lolol. Only places left to go are multicolored hairs or ss4 at this point
I honestly didn’t think He could do it but damn he did it again. He destroyed the power scaling again.
That what i was saying on how the power scaling somehow was broken again with the gammas,orange piccolo,final Gohan,and cell max all these chars are literally some of the strongest of the verse now
lol none of yall were saying that when the Broly movie came out.
@@kesenaememere8520 i was saying that but I was not this extreme where it five guys instead of just one dude
@@kesenaememere8520 Broly movie wasn't that crazy though. They don't get stronger, they just fuse and win.
Another crazy thing is that ultimate Gohan might not even be just be on the gammas level. At the end of the fight Gohan was lokey like holding gamma 1 against the floor and about to split his jaw and gamma 1 couldn't even get him off. Gohan only stopped cause piccolo asked him to. Even before he's about to snap his jaw Gohan is either washing him or fighting on equal foot because he got sneak attacked when talking to piccolo. He might even be stronger than orange since piccolo wanted Gohan to charge up in ultimate to kill cell max rather than piccolo doing it. The power scaling in this movie just doesn't make sense.
Piccolo didn't eat the senzu bean, he probably couldn't charge his SBC. And even if he ate the senzu instead of gohan, how would gohan keep cell max distracted only in his tired ss for orange piccolo charge his SBC? So that's probably why piccolo gave him the senzu cuz his orange form still had enough energy to keep cell max distracted.
Ultimate Gohan is only a bit stronger than the gammas, but they have more stamina as advantage.
And the gammas are probably ui omen and ssbe level from moro arc, cuz piccolo said the gammas were goku and vegeta level, he saw moro arc mui but don't saw ue, in the next manga arc, which is a prequel that connects with the dbs sh movie, they confirmed that goku and vegeta will keep training on beerus planet after the granola arc, so piccolo didn't see vegeta since the moro arc end, so no ue/mui comparison for the gammas.
And toriyama said piccolo is only on par with goku (mui/tui goku post granola arc), if the gammas were ue level, then piccolo would be leagues above goku, not on par. What could explain ultimate gohan fight in par with a gamma could be that after getting almost killed by moro 73 he got a zenkai recovering, differently from goku and vegeta he doesn't have god ki, so he can still get zenkai boosts, and he also was enraged against gamma1.
@@kleber_felinto Firstly Piccolo can charge special beam, secondly gohan fights cell max with piccolo for a bit and during their small 1v1 gohan holds his own with cell max so he's strong enough to keep him distracted and thirdly gohan bodies gamma 1 in the first 5 seconds of the fight and again is only equal when he wasn't even looking at gamma 1 so he's more than just a bit stronger. For everything else I never said how strong the gammas were or compared them to ue.
@@brolylook662 Gohan could keep up with cell max after eating the senzu and turning ultimate, in regular ss he needed the help of the others, if piccolo ate the senzu, in a 1v1 gohan couldn't distract him using normal ss for orange piccolo charge his fp SBC.
And after gohan and piccolo keep up with cell max, he emerged and became even stronger by raising his aura, this is when he folds piccolo completely. Orange piccolo at full power is clearly more stronger than ultimate gohan at full power, just see the gammas fight, but on the cell max battle he just was more tired meanwhile ultimate gohan was at full power, and he didn't eat the senzu cuz ss gohan couldn't distract him in a 1v1.
Gohan stoping his training then getting into one fight then all of a sudden skipping the line to be the supposed strongest out of all the characters angers me. Fan service for fan service sake is fine because at the end of the day I love a spectacle but from a story perspective I have issues with it narratively because rot basically implies that Gohan doesn’t need agency ever and can be as powerful as they want even if he never decides to fight again
We don't know if Gohan is the strongest. In fact, many doubt it
@@Cedricfilms I doubt it because it completely throws away any narrative tensions and if it is in fact true then I’d say Gohan would be an even worse character
dbs broly is fan service too so try again
@@JACQUEZ23 yeeeeeeessssss you get it the broly copium is crazy the broly movie is literally fan service ASF lmao
@@maritimesteak8540 is u being sarcasm or mot I can't tell through text
Until we get to see a point in Dragon Ball Super up to right before this movie, Gohan would just scale above every verison of Goku in the anime and manga up until a form of Goku that comes after this movie
16:47 THE BEST SETH RANT EVER LMAOOO!!!!! 😂😂
So why not just call it ultra instinct if its not mastered yet.
And the anime manga and movies have different storylines.
@@RedRag684 It's 2 forms of it just like SSJ and SSJ2 is sometimes referred as the same thing "Super Saiyan" even tho SSJ2 is an upgraded and stronger form
@@GoldLND so theres ultra instinct, ultra instinct sign, and mastered ultra instinct that has never been mastered even though goku said he mastered it?
@@RedRag684 He unmastered mastered ultra instinct
@@GoldLND lmao cmon man what 😵💫???
My guess for the gammas power scaling is that they are blue level at most. The Dragon ball super manga past the T.O.P has not been 100% announced as canon to anything prior to the superhero movie SO FAR although it was briefly mentioned in promotional material, and if it is/was officially announced then o well this is wrong. But the most accurate assumption to me is that the gammas would be blue level if we're going off of the power that Goku and Vegeta last showed on their last fight on earth (canonically proven as vs Broly) whereas individuals they only went as high as blue level (disregarding Gogeta blue's power). And even beyond that, I think it's the case since in the T.O.P ultimate Gohan after months of training was no stronger than ssj god at least (and if you want to be generous blue), as he fought against and along side blue Goku and Vegeta both before and during the tournament and did well. And it would make no sense for Gohan to get a slight upper hand on gamma 1, someone who is supposedly blue level in a form where he hasn't practiced for supposedly over a year at a minimum.
The best duo in existence.
W
Not anymore
This is before moro ark, and right after the broly movie.. so it can’t be moro ark Goku and vegeta. And that actually makes your theory make more sense. The gamas may have base potential plus Android hacks for vegeta and goku.
no its after the moro arc. when vegeta gathers energy to give to goku to kill moro goten and trunks give energy and theyre still little
"How do they crack Cell Max' Head?"
This is a Japanese Super Hero film.
A staple of Japanese Super Heroes is the Soccer Finisher where everyone invests their power into the ball.
That wasn't just Gotenks' heabutt, it was everyone's kick combined with his headbutt.
crazy that he(Fat gotenks) tanked it
@@bensylver5113 stupid head cannon time
The fat fusion dance result is weak as hell but hella durable
Final Gohan is Akira Toriyamas original design for Super Sayian and its still his favorite, Toriyama basically gave Gohan the original Super Sayian design before it was changed
Final gohan Original????gohanverse hello😑its been done 2 years ago bruh
I miss read the comment
I would not have an issue if Gohan got that form if he trained with whiss, what is the point of having God ki if you can just asspull a new transformation with Gohan who has not trained in years now stronger than God energy or Ui Goku im like like OMFG! NO
if Gohan had done training with Whis yes
Why are people acting like they said Gohan is stronger than UI? That's never been stated
@@Cedricfilms I got that impression from this video, Im just saying I would hate if that were true, Dragon ball writers have been some dumb shit
It’s not god ki.
What the t.o.p is like 1 year ago and the moro arc in only like 7 months ago from the movie. He trained in those fights. And if you remember in dbsuper before the t.o.p ultimate Gohan was on par with ssb Goku and in the movie Gohan literally said that he was training here and there sorry for spoilers if you haven't watched it
@@TCJV125 The movie made it evident that Gohan has been neglecting his training and he was never on par with blue. Look back at his fight. Gohan essentially begged Goku to go Kaioken.
I'm pretty sure that the people who said this was better than the broly movie just had recency bias
Crazy vegeta was acting like he never beat goku when he did 😂
That's some insight. never would have seen these comparisons.
I don't know why he doesn't think Jiren is on this pedestal that can't be overthrown. Remember buuhan? Remember Cell? Remember Frieza?
Because it kinda crazy that gammas that were made by humans are above god level chars and cell max would no diff everyone in the top even tho he incomplete
@@gameuniverse5973 is cell and the other androids not a example of humans making powerful enemies than those out there
@@gameuniverse5973 Yeah same humans who made cell extremely powerful and android 17 in the tournament power stupid levels of power
The only logical way for the gammas power is that they are based off moro arc goku. No way in hell he followed them to cereal and we all know goku and vegeta get massively stronger from moro to gas
The Broly movie is so amazing. Every bit of it was awesome. Super Hero was incredibly underwhelming. It was a movie that was carried by transformations and fan service. Broly was about character and amazing action. Yeah there was cool transformations, but that’s not what made the movie.
Yes it is. The fights and transformations were the meat and potatoes. The character was secondary, at least, in my opinion.
Lol so biased
Gogeta made the broly movie
u didn't see the movie
@@Scizzor113
Ive seen the full movie the fuck are you on
The only good thing about that movie is goten and trunks have matured ...this movie was kinda made to acknowlwdge lord slug from the movie ..and also to Acknowledge Gohan as a Prodigy
This Movie is Great I love that Dragon Balls going back to its wacky roots👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I didn't get the impression that the gamma were in the level of goku and vegeta. In fact it felt like they were kept out of the fight because they would stomp. They needed stronger then gohan and picollo to push them to the next level. But it didn't appear that any of them until gohan were on that level.
Literally stated current Goku and Vegeta level okay
They were literally stated be equal to goku and vegeta by somebody who is a pretty accurate judge of power.
@@Chiefteeth1 unfortunately character statements are poor use of scaling. Especially when feats are especially pronounced. An un trained gohan was able to match one of them. That same gohan who was practiced in the TOP and was no where near the top few fighters at that time. Then taking into account how much stronger both vegeta and goku got over the last 2 arcs. Picollo got beat up and said wow they might be as strong as goku and vegeta. Without the ability to sense there power at all. It's the same situation as the other androids they had no idea if they could win against them until they hit there limits. Piccolo is leagues below goku and vegeta and honestly hasn't interacted with them much in quite some time combat wise. To think that these androids are just at or above jiren level all based off of a piccolo statment is quite a reach.
@@Chiefteeth1 An accurate guage of normal power, yeah. Not a single person without God Ki can sense God Ki, canonically Piccolo shouldnt even be able to sense Gokus power in any of his God transformations, which would mean hes ONLY taking into account their base forms..
especially considering Goku and Vegeta dont use their SSJ forms anymore, and their base is now greater than their old SSJ forms. Context clues that are blatant would allude Piccolo only referring to base.
@@wilrip78 piccolo statement is also backed up by Gohan statement who said that Goku and Vegeta won't be able to beat Cell max who shit stomped both Gamma 1 and 2
Somebody on copium max because a movie finally gives piccolo and gohan the spotlight. Such anger its beautiful.
You don't have a argument for the gammas being on par with granola Vegeta and Goku
@@rushpatriot2866 no he doesn't because they fucking arent
I guess Tien will never get the spot light 😒. The only other character that trains just as much as Goku & Vegeta in universe 7, but gets weaker instead of getting stronger 😑.
I've heard that most people in Japan kinda hated Tien in general, not sure how true it is, but if that's true Tien will never get the spotlight again
I mean piccolo went from below golden Frieza level too above Mui Goku level so Tien can do the same by wishing on the new buffed shenron
Yes!!!!! This!! I've been saying this, I thought I was the only one who thought this way! As tien fans we might forever be taking Ls
Super hero compared to the broly movie is like comparing a prius to a bugatti
I thought this was the more enjoyable film compared to BoG, RoF and Broly…but it’s not better than BoG and Broly. The Beerus section was so unnecessary, just there for Goku and Vegeta marketing. They just had a whole Goku/Vegeta/Broly movie, why they gotta be in this film that has nothing to do with them?
Why not? Them being in the film led to some funny and cool moments. I don't think them being in the film detracted from anything so I don't see the issue
Probably would have been cooler if maybe gohan had an internal struggle about depending on his father to protect those around after losing in the end having goku to save him teases his tail growing back at the end of the movie and in the next series gets super 4 from GT Probably would look cooler and give him something more unique
You started strong with the idea but crashed as soon as you said he teases his tail growing back
Yeah tail ruined this for me. We really need to stop shoehorning ssj4.
The best the DR Hedo statement can get u would have to be the broly movie because the movies is a continuation to the anime being that the anime and manga are different continuities and the last thing that happened in the anime is technically the broly movie so gamma 1 and 2 are just the same as blue goku and blu vegeta from the broly movie, at least I would think that’s the most consistent outcome
Nvm I don’t even know anymore because I just watched more of the video and Seth said that they mention the granola arc and the Moro arc this movie is just retarded 😭
But it’s not the case cuz the Moro arc came after broly
The movies are a continuation to the movies.
Pan can fly in DBS anime, she cannot here.
I still fully believe Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan right now and they could beat cellmax mid-low dif. Also even then the gammas were compared to base Goku and Vegeta by piccolo meaning that to piccolo they were base Goku and Vegeta level and it took base piccolo and ssj2 Gohan to match them which says a lot
They where not compared to base Goku and Vegeta they where compare to Goku and Vegeta meaning there full power if they where stated to be as strong as there base they he would have said that but he didn’t so stop
@@gintokithetrollgod i heavily doubt gamma 1 and 2 were compared to mui ghoku when ultimate gohan who utterly destroyed gamma 1 or 2 not sure is only around supressed ssb level
@@gintokithetrollgod so no they weren't compared to full power goku and vegeta or gohan would've lost
@@gintokithetrollgod and even supressed ssb level could be a stretch as gohan stopped training
@@TheGamingShogun How does that mean base form? Piccolo said that they are as strong as goku and vegeta, if he meant base that's not "as strong as" that's "They are kinda strong like Goku and Vegeta, or almost as strong". Taking the translation like that that means he meant it as powerful as Goku and Vegeta were. You'd have to bend the statement to make your base statement more true, so it's more implied he's talking about them at full power, or more like relative. (Which at what point goku and vegeta it is they talk about in the video)
Superhero isnt crazier than Broly. That movie was filled with fan service but people give it a pass because they love the animation and nostalgia. Broly beat up 2 ssbss but it's crazy to think an android can match them? Power scaling is dead in dbs period
My issue with it is that i can deal with a saiyan being freakyshly strong, but dr hedo just deadass builds the gamma and im supposed to believe this guy can build fucking multiversal level beings?
@@sashalai3987 but broly hasn't fought anyone in his life before that can?
@@kesenaememere8520 sure but i can buy that hes a natural talent and he just learns as he fights, i mean sure the jump in power is gigantic but hes a saiyan, on the other hand the gammas were just built by a kid who cant even sense ki? And im supposed to believe that you can just build a fucking android capable of destroying multiple universes? Yeah no i doubt that
@@sashalai3987 Cope harder. Dr Gero built Androids capable of destroying Solar Systems. And just FYI IMPERFECT Cell was stated to be a threat to the “entire universe”.
@@chewezx1767 what do you mean cope lmao i know it happened im just saying i think its bullshit lol, it was bullshit when gero did it and its even worse now that in supposed to believe that this goofy ass dude built 2 androids stronger than goku and vegeta when they fought jiren
Goku got a new form with black hair haha that’s funny
I would assumed that anything after the Tournament of Power isn’t relevant to the anime or the movies, and Hedo obviously couldn’t gather information from the World of Void, so I don’t see how he could actually gather information about Ultra Instinct. Not to mention, going by the movies alone, Ultra Instinct has yet to appear. Of course Ultra Ego is out of the question.
I have a question for y'all. So I saw this post about Madara (game feats) vs Aizen (game feats). People there are saying Madara stomps etc etc because of his game feats in Storm 4 etc while Aizen's game feats are only from Jump Force and BBS iirc. What do you guys think? Because IMO, Soul King Aizen (BBS) that looks like Asriel (God of Hyperdeath form) should be able to solo Naruto and Borutoverse because this Aizen is should superior to Muken Aizen because this Aizen fused KS with Hogyoku, and I think also absorbed the Soul King. What are you guy's opinion about game feats Madara vs game feats Aizen?
Jump force naruto would solo the bleach verse low dif
Well all the ultimate moves in the game are canon cause Kishimoto himself work with them on making them, so I say you scale off that.
Bleach games have next to no feats at all for bleach unfortunately, but the new bleach game that will come out (Watch Jaymeshansons video about it) may give you some cool stuff. Don’t worry about that though. Storm game feats are inconsistent, mainly Storm 3. Storm 4, could be a borderline manga adaptation because not much changes.
Madara would probably win with game feats from storm since Aizen does not do Alot in jump force
The movie plot was written so poorly there were a thousand ways you could have written a piccolo gohan focused movie without having character stupidity in also every scene Goku and Vegeta could have easily be training far away across the universe and Broly shouldn't have been reintroduced in the movie
Write it then
Pretty sure DragonBall Hero’s will do Perfect Cell Max. Makes sense to me
100% they will do that.
Probably bring it in the next few "Arcs" (missions)
perfect cell max will literally be the same. hedo said the only thing he had to perfect was the mind control system
Goku did get a new form in the manga. He just has black hair now. Some people think he went back to Omen/Sign, but it's really just Goku eliminating transformations as seen at the end of Z. I call the form Ultra Sayain Instinct.
it’s literally omen lmao
Gama are as strong as base goku and vegeta not in ue and ui
when they are holding back .
Both gamma were not serious before facing ultimate
not base at al ssj gohan is stronger then base goku or vegeta
The movie is good and gohan unlocked the move goku wants to unlock in the granola arc
This movie was ok at best. The Red Ribbon was underwhelming. They didn't feel like a major return. You can tell it was more slice of life. I didn't like Piccolo wishing to unlock his potential. Lazy writing. This idea could've been used for the TOP. Piccolo wished for his version SS God and Blue in this movie. Gohan's new form is cool but weird looking in certain frames. Curious about Jiren and the Gods after this. 5.9 out of 10.
not lazy writing good writing
@@JACQUEZ23 agree to disagree
@@JACQUEZ23 um I will back it up then. Piccolo this whole time could've got his hands on the Namekian book of Legends and see if it's a new way to acquire a new power up but instead oh let's go the lazy way and wish for the power. For the TOP that's fine to do that cause its desperate times and a lot is at stake. Otherwise for this situation it's lazy dude. Everybody might as well do that at this point.
@@malcolmroache3854 ignore him bro he is dickriding the movie in so many comments 🤦🏾♂️
@@malcolmroache3854 if u read the novel u know orange piccolo is what u explained
Seth was right at the end
He's aways right
My opinion its perfectly in line with og DBZ movies... tree of might, revenge of cooler but much better than Bio Broly or the Tapion movie lol I'd say if you go into this with Fusion Reborn level of quality in mind you'll enjoy it... DBS Broly is in another tier tho...
I’ve seen reviews and not one of them said that gamma 1 and 2 are Goku and vegeta level the only line of the film that I know is that cell max is potentially stronger than Goku and vegeta so I don’t know what translations your talkin about.
piccolo after losing to gamma 2 said it
piccolo says that to korin after he loses to gamma 2
There’s not one movie or show that can look good if you nitpick every single thing like you’re a hater stick with that,If I have looked at this before seeing movie I would think it’s dog shit. But because I actually go there to enjoy it’s good
This is actually a head canon rant
Yes yes it is