I work at a spring manufacturing company in the Tool Room so I don't have much experience with making them. This was great to learn. Thanks for sharing.
Was having a really hard time trying to find music wire. Thanks for the tip about getting it from tyres. I salvaged some from a motorbike/scooter tyre. Gonna check to see if car/light truck and heavy truck tyres provide various guages of steel. I'm all about the free options when possible, and in my case living in S E Aisia being almostg the only option. Thanks alot Man!!
You don't know how glad I am that you waited until after winter and before the summer to make this video, any other time would of been just soooo wrong....... gud thunkin. LOL!!
Speaking of tires, i stopped on the side of the road and threw a big ol tire in my truck that was in a ditch just to try and make bungee straps from watching your home made bungee video. I passed that thing everyday for a month until i saw your video.
Take a look at This Old Tony. He has proper video about making springs. He explains how to: work out what thickness wire to use for different springs. Work out how thick the rod has to be. How far apart the coils should be. He explains how to make a spring for the reason you need it. Not just willy nilly. The spring should be right for the purpose. No bodging. If you like this video, you will love It's not just
Hey Moe, I have to take my hat off to you on this one. Using the wire out of a tire. I have used tires for various projects and though I use resources to the end. But you schooled me well with this one. Always looking for another way to recycle. Stay well.
That's the same process I use for making chain-mail rings. Just not spring steel. Wind it up then snip the "rings" apart. Never thought to use this method with spring steel. Good stuff.
I have a gx motor with a pulley welded on the shaft, mounted by 8 trampoline springs in a box shaped frame. It is a great way to mount an engine so you will have almost zero transmission of vibration and you can readily connect the pulley to a variety of implements, alternators, chainsaw bar, etc with automatic belt tensioning simply by mounting the item to be driven in the right place. It also means that you can use a variety of belt lengths. . . If one breaks and you don'thave a match you can just use a rope to move the engine to one side or another a bit or move the device you wish to drive to use a shorter or longer belt.
It seems to work really well but does not seem to be widely practiced. I found some obscure reference to an early model Ford with an engine mounted on springs, not sure why the idea didn't stick around.
What a great trick/topic to know. Thank you for the post! Springs are like O rings. One can have a bunch in hand but not the one ya need. On another note - Saturday talked to one of the friends about your last video explaining not to leave the p washer running when sponging down the car, etc. Guilty! Can you say - the deer in the headlights look! Thought you would get a kick out of hearing that.
I agree with Shane, you tore up MacGuyver with this one, thanks a bunch for the video, I need to make some springs and am frustrated in my search, this is the answer I was looking for! WAY COOL, DUDE!
Pretty cool. You like to take things apart and see how they work I bet. Very simple and easy to do and something that I never thought about. I like shortcuts and saving money and this was a two2 four4.
@@64maxpower No more like skinny on one side fat on the other. Essentially progressive springs. When you start getting close to 1/8 of an inch thickness you just can't hold on to it. There's no reason you couldn't make a jig though.
I really enjoy all of your videos, always find something useful! Gonna be doing your upgrade to my snow blower with the exhaust chute paddles as soon as it gets a little warmer.
Awesome video! I've been researching spring making tutorials and your one is by far my favorite! I just subscribed and look forward to checking out much more of your content! :-D
Yup. That's basically the same way I make them. Thanks for the tip on harvesting wire from tires. ..spring steel and bungee straps. I think I might be ready to harvest a tire , with that many uses... Edit, another source for high carbon steel wire is twisted steel cable, but it's a bit wavy. ..I've got all the springs from my boys crib mattresses in a box in the basement. They come in handy every now n then. I gotta find out how to heat treat high carbon steel wire so I can anneal the old springs, reshape them (in a nice uniform manner) then retreat them to get their spring back. So far, I've only been able to harden and temper them but they don't get very springy. Maybe the tempering needs to be done in an oven..?
Tempering is a tricky game. I've played around with it for hours over the years and have never nailed it down. I can make stuff hard/brittle or soft. A kiln with temps you control up to the 1000F-1500F would be ideal.
@@sixtyfiveford yea, the problem is that the wire has no meat to hold the heat. Even if you are able to get it all a uniform color and drop it into a bucket of oil, the action of moving the wire causes it to dump all its heat before it lands in the oil. Maybe it should go into a metal box and into an oven. The box would be the opposite of a heat sink. Then quench everything
Just reading the other comments that people left. WOW there are a lot of weird people out there. Anyway Great video and I am going to watch the other ones that you have. Thanks for this very cool things that you can do, and sharing them with all of us. I am a Marine and enjoy these inventions that you have learned. I have to watch the snow blower one it looks very cool!!!!!!
Hmm i didnt think about the propertys of the wire in tyres, i will now :-D. For the bigger diameter spring you need thicker wire, so it resists the twisting better. I dont know how they actually make the pushing type spring, i imagine they might use neutral untempered spring wire to create the shape, then pull it out a little, then temper it. I bet the tempering process is precise for the best effect. I dont know really, just muttering to myself LOL :-D
Moe, I know you of all people know how to anneal or heat steel up until glowing then quench for some back yard heat treating... In a way, tempering kind of combines those two aspects, to speak of it crudely. But like I said, I know you are probably already the master at doing this using your acetylene torch I bet!
As always, good stuff... and btw, You probably haven't had any issues yet with all the youtube demonetization crap, but you should still check out vidme (vid dot me). Maybe post a few of your older vids there to see how it works out. They work on tips there, so no commercials. And no issues with mentioning or listing a patreon account either so..
"very interesting" -- Artie Johnson it would be a very noble thing to provide more information about wire sizes and spring circumferences and how they relate to strength.
You didn't tell us how to stress relieve the spring by heating it to make it last longer without cracking or to oil it to reduce hydrogen embrittlement.
Stress Relief on springs (except oil tempered Chrome Silicone) is only necessary IF the stresses induced due to coiling + the load exceed the elastic limit of the material, although it will add dimensional stability to some extent. Also, I have NO idea where you get the idea that hydrogen embrittlement is eliminated via OIL. Hydrogen embrittlement is caused due to spring grade/higher carbon materials being exposed to certain acids, usually during a plating process and the risk can be reduced by baking the hydrogen out of the material at 400 degrees F for around an hour.
do you temper the springs once you're done forming them? i pulled apart a tire today, mic'ed the wire at .050, made a hammer spring and had it stretch almost immediately. Hopefully other tires will have different diameter bead wire & i can play with it more, great vid though & use eye-pro next time
i've seen conflicting videos on the topic, some temper some don't but seeing how tire wire isn't exactly spring wire, i thought it would make a difference. i need to rip apart some smaller tires & see what i find, hopefully a smaller gauge will serve me better
No tempering or annealing? Maybe not necessary for such a small spring of that type? I am want ing to know how to retemper or recondition springs about 3-4" long and about 1/16" wire they about 11\2" inches in diameter. Think they would be called compression springs. They are used on suspension rods on washing machines and can be expensive to replace when they get weak.
@@sixtyfiveford I understand you used spring steel. I work with appliances. The newer ones have suspenision rids with springs the support the tubs on washers. Some of these are expensive. I was hoping to find a way to recondition the springs, if that is the problem.
You need to use spring steel to begin with and it will need zero heat treatment. If you just use non spring steel wire it will never become spring steel, even with heat treating.
The longer the spring the more equal the tension. Tape measure springs do pull with more force the further the tape is extended, just not a lot more. The spring in a tape meaure is at least equal to the length of the tape, but may be double(can't say I've ever measured one),
Music wire !!!! Wire from a TIRE !!! Who'd a thunk it !!!! I love it Moe !!!
I just realized that you don't have any junk at your house, it's all material for other inventions. Nothing goes to waste! Great stuff Moe.
That's the problem, everything has a mysterious purpose only I know.
I wish others would realize this about my "junk".
Phillip Toone It's not junk.......you're an archiver. See.......
You just never know when you are going to need that one "thing".... I'm guilty of this myself!
love your hoard of "junk" I want the same. lol well free useful junk.
I work at a spring manufacturing company in the Tool Room so I don't have much experience with making them. This was great to learn. Thanks for sharing.
It always nice when Winter ends and we get Springs :)
Ha..
You are a genius! Just fabbed out a few springs and that steel is amazing! Hats off to you sir!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Was having a really hard time trying to find music wire. Thanks for the tip about getting it from tyres. I salvaged some from a motorbike/scooter tyre. Gonna check to see if car/light truck and heavy truck tyres provide various guages of steel. I'm all about the free options when possible, and in my case living in S E Aisia being almostg the only option. Thanks alot Man!!
Awesome.
Like the idea of upside down drill+ catching the end in the chuck.
Thanks for sharing.
I hope it comes in handy . Thanks for watching.
You don't know how glad I am that you waited until after winter and before the summer to make this video, any other time would of been just soooo wrong....... gud thunkin. LOL!!
Haha... Thanks.
Speaking of tires, i stopped on the side of the road and threw a big ol tire in my truck that was in a ditch just to try and make bungee straps from watching your home made bungee video. I passed that thing everyday for a month until i saw your video.
That's awesome!
Really cool man. I knew I was keeping dozens of tires for something.
Thanks.
This is the best video I've seen on this subject. Sir, you are a wealth of useful knowledge. Thank you!
Thanks Jim. -Moe.
Take a look at This Old Tony. He has proper video about making springs.
He explains how to:
work out what thickness wire to use for different springs.
Work out how thick the rod has to be.
How far apart the coils should be.
He explains how to make a spring for the reason you need it. Not just willy nilly.
The spring should be right for the purpose. No bodging.
If you like this video, you will love
It's not just
Wow what a Idea sir
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Nice tip on the tyre. Thanks
I bought 1 lb of music wire simply to have on hand in the garage for whenever I need a spring! Great tip dude, as always, you rule!
Thanks. I'm glad you liked the video.
Always the best useful information. Thanks again.
Thanks Bill. -Moe
Very nice! I've made my own keyrings before but it never occurred to me to make springs! Thanks!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Cool man. Thanks. Need a spring too
Very nice at home method
Hey Moe, I have to take my hat off to you on this one. Using the wire out of a tire. I have used tires for various projects and though I use resources to the end. But you schooled me well with this one. Always looking for another way to recycle. Stay well.
Thanks Joe. I'm sure I'm the only one that would take the effort to remove this wire. Hey, but free wire is free wire.
Well now there’s at least two! I try to recycle, reclaim reuse… everything & this “free tire wire” is now on the list.
That's the same process I use for making chain-mail rings. Just not spring steel. Wind it up then snip the "rings" apart. Never thought to use this method with spring steel. Good stuff.
Chain-male sounds like a fun project.
Stuff like that is why I love his channel
Thanks Billy. -Moe
I have a gx motor with a pulley welded on the shaft, mounted by 8 trampoline springs in a box shaped frame. It is a great way to mount an engine so you will have almost zero transmission of vibration and you can readily connect the pulley to a variety of implements, alternators, chainsaw bar, etc with automatic belt tensioning simply by mounting the item to be driven in the right place. It also means that you can use a variety of belt lengths. . . If one breaks and you don'thave a match you can just use a rope to move the engine to one side or another a bit or move the device you wish to drive to use a shorter or longer belt.
That's a neat idea.
It seems to work really well but does not seem to be widely practiced. I found some obscure reference to an early model Ford with an engine mounted on springs, not sure why the idea didn't stick around.
What a great trick/topic to know. Thank you for the post! Springs are like O rings. One can have a bunch in hand but not the one ya need. On another note - Saturday talked to one of the friends about your last video explaining not to leave the p washer running when sponging down the car, etc. Guilty! Can you say - the deer in the headlights look! Thought you would get a kick out of hearing that.
Thanks. I can't count the number of Orings I have and never the right size(great example).
That looks like a good idea. I've never made springs before. But I've shortened lots of them.
It comes in handy once in a while.
Another great get me out of a fix idea. Brilliant! Thank you SFF
Thanks .
great idea i did your snow blowing tip with the rubber peaces works great .thanks
That's great. Thanks.
That is one of the coolest tips yet!
Thanks Glen. -Moe
My goodness you are a genius. I gotta find you if there's ever a zombie apocalypse.
You're too kind. Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Always great informative vids....making some springs tomorrow!!
Awesome. Thanks for watching.
Now that's something I've never seen before. Another great project
Thanks Tim.
I agree with Shane, you tore up MacGuyver with this one, thanks a bunch for the video, I need to make some springs and am frustrated in my search, this is the answer I was looking for! WAY COOL, DUDE!
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks.
Another awesome video. I saw a similar video by another presenter, but it was not as simple and direct as yours. Great job.
Thanks Walt. Moe
Pretty cool. You like to take things apart and see how they work I bet. Very simple and easy to do and something that I never thought about. I like shortcuts and saving money and this was a two2 four4.
Thanks.
Another great useful tip! Thanks.
Thanks.
I didn't know tire steel can be used for making spring, i definitely need to try this.
Awesome
This is great! Vintage mx bikes always need some kind of spring that doesn't exist any longer - thanks!
I've gotten pretty creative making tapered springs etc. Just wish I could make so really beefy ones with this technique.
@@sixtyfiveford when you say tapered, are you meaning progressively wound? And why can't you make heavier springs ?
@@64maxpower No more like skinny on one side fat on the other. Essentially progressive springs. When you start getting close to 1/8 of an inch thickness you just can't hold on to it. There's no reason you couldn't make a jig though.
always make sure to wear safety glasses when working with spring steel, the thicker stuff can really get away from you
I don't know where you learn this stuff, but it's always interesting!
Thanks Judd. -Moe
Great video, thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Another cool idea.
Hey Thanks.
great stuff to know, thanks
Thanks Tom. -Moe
Great tips, thanks man
Thanks.
Very kool! Thx gonna remember this!!
Good stuff Bud!! Now that's old school!!☺
Thanks Man.
Pretty awesome. Thanks, Sixty-five!!
Thanks.
Good work I like how it's done it looks very easy to make
Great Idea and concept, thank you once again!
Thanks Randy. -Moe
You are a magician Moe! Very useful idea!
Thanks, it comes in handy.
so badass awesome! 5/5
Thanks man.
I really enjoy all of your videos, always find something useful!
Gonna be doing your upgrade to my snow blower with the exhaust chute paddles as soon as it gets a little warmer.
Thanks. I hope you do the modification to your snowblower, as it makes a huge difference.
Great tip and how to .
Thanks. I've been looking at some of your projects, great stuff.
Thanks , I look forward to all the neat how to videos you do and how you get back to the basics .
That was easy! thanks!
Thanks.
Awesome video! I've been researching spring making tutorials and your one is by far my favorite! I just subscribed and look forward to checking out much more of your content! :-D
great valuable info
Thanks Drew.
That's really neat. Had no idea it was that easy. Awesome vid man!
Thanks.
Yup. That's basically the same way I make them. Thanks for the tip on harvesting wire from tires. ..spring steel and bungee straps. I think I might be ready to harvest a tire , with that many uses...
Edit, another source for high carbon steel wire is twisted steel cable, but it's a bit wavy. ..I've got all the springs from my boys crib mattresses in a box in the basement. They come in handy every now n then. I gotta find out how to heat treat high carbon steel wire so I can anneal the old springs, reshape them (in a nice uniform manner) then retreat them to get their spring back. So far, I've only been able to harden and temper them but they don't get very springy. Maybe the tempering needs to be done in an oven..?
Tempering is a tricky game. I've played around with it for hours over the years and have never nailed it down. I can make stuff hard/brittle or soft. A kiln with temps you control up to the 1000F-1500F would be ideal.
@@sixtyfiveford yea, the problem is that the wire has no meat to hold the heat. Even if you are able to get it all a uniform color and drop it into a bucket of oil, the action of moving the wire causes it to dump all its heat before it lands in the oil.
Maybe it should go into a metal box and into an oven. The box would be the opposite of a heat sink. Then quench everything
Just reading the other comments that people left. WOW there are a lot of weird people out there. Anyway Great video and I am going to watch the other ones that you have. Thanks for this very cool things that you can do, and sharing them with all of us. I am a Marine and enjoy these inventions that you have learned. I have to watch the snow blower one it looks very cool!!!!!!
Thanks. Haha, there are a lot of weird people here on TH-cam.
That is Great you can get the wire from an old tire
Thanks.
very nice job.
Thanks Man.
Thanks a whole bunch. You saved me a ton of money.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
you can heat these up in your oven at 500 degrees for about 4 hours to harden them into shape as well.
Slick trick, with many happy returns...LOL
Haha.
Cool video!
Thanks
I wish I had seen this two months ago before I threw away that inner ring I had spare! Oh well, great video none the less.
Thanks.
'spring' very seasonal :)
I couldn't have planed it better.
your vids are so cool bro iget some everyday
Awesome. Thanks.
Man! you are the best. Best you tube handy.
Thanks Joe.
Nicely done as always Moe! Cheers my Friend! Zip~
Thanks Man.
That will come in handy..
someone has a attraction to sprints
Good idea
Thanks Man.
Great as always, from a fellow fabricator/contractor! Your hands must be rough as mine; I would have thought you'd need gloves for that tire.
Thanks Gary. -Moe.
Very cool, thanks.
Thanks.
Great video sixtyfiveford! Good stuff
Thanks Man.
Awesome moe, the wheels are turning. LOL
Thanks Steve.
Crazyrussianhacker “safety is number one priority”
good video --thank you! Can you make a coiled plastic tube this way?
You can also temper a spring made from "non-spring" steel wire to create your own if you have no spring steel.
that's a new one on me, I never saw that done before.
It has come in handy a few times. Thanks for watching.
Beats running out to the hardware store to buy a spring when you can make one in a minute. Cool.
It's nice to be able to make your own.
Nice!
Brilliant
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Hmm i didnt think about the propertys of the wire in tyres, i will now :-D.
For the bigger diameter spring you need thicker wire, so it resists the twisting better.
I dont know how they actually make the pushing type spring, i imagine they might use neutral untempered spring wire to create the shape, then pull it out a little, then temper it.
I bet the tempering process is precise for the best effect.
I dont know really, just muttering to myself LOL :-D
The tempering process is a mystery to me.
That makes two of us lol :-D
Moe, I know you of all people know how to anneal or heat steel up until glowing then quench for some back yard heat treating... In a way, tempering kind of combines those two aspects, to speak of it crudely. But like I said, I know you are probably already the master at doing this using your acetylene torch I bet!
That was fun Moe
Thanks Bruce.
Pretty cool,now what do I have that needs a spring??...........
I always put them on items I want to come back to me. Still haven't figured a proper way to attach one to a dollar bill.
Is there are any other materials we can use insted of music wire ?
As always, good stuff...
and btw, You probably haven't had any issues yet with all the youtube demonetization crap, but you should still check out vidme (vid dot me). Maybe post a few of your older vids there to see how it works out. They work on tips there, so no commercials. And no issues with mentioning or listing a patreon account either so..
Thanks.
you are brilliant. how did you come up with this idea?
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Good video!! I need to make a spring out of .040" wire, 3/4" dia, but only two loops. Any tips on a mandrel?
"very interesting" -- Artie Johnson
it would be a very noble thing to provide more information about wire sizes and spring circumferences and how they relate to strength.
I wish I knew all the fine details.
You didn't tell us how to stress relieve the spring by heating it to make it last longer without cracking or to oil it to reduce hydrogen embrittlement.
Stress Relief on springs (except oil tempered Chrome Silicone) is only necessary IF the stresses induced due to coiling + the load exceed the elastic limit of the material, although it will add dimensional stability to some extent. Also, I have NO idea where you get the idea that hydrogen embrittlement is eliminated via OIL. Hydrogen embrittlement is caused due to spring grade/higher carbon materials being exposed to certain acids, usually during a plating process and the risk can be reduced by baking the hydrogen out of the material at 400 degrees F for around an hour.
do you temper the springs once you're done forming them? i pulled apart a tire today, mic'ed the wire at .050, made a hammer spring and had it stretch almost immediately. Hopefully other tires will have different diameter bead wire & i can play with it more, great vid though & use eye-pro next time
You don't need to temper them. Larger tires/truck tires generally have thicker wire.
i've seen conflicting videos on the topic, some temper some don't but seeing how tire wire isn't exactly spring wire, i thought it would make a difference. i need to rip apart some smaller tires & see what i find, hopefully a smaller gauge will serve me better
No tempering or annealing? Maybe not necessary for such a small spring of that type?
I am want ing to know how to retemper or recondition springs about 3-4" long and about 1/16" wire they about 11\2" inches in diameter. Think they would be called compression springs. They are used on suspension rods on washing machines and can be expensive to replace when they get weak.
No need to worry about tempering as I used spring steel to start with.
@@sixtyfiveford I understand you used spring steel. I work with appliances. The newer ones have suspenision rids with springs the support the tubs on washers. Some of these are expensive. I was hoping to find a way to recondition the springs, if that is the problem.
definitely going to use this on the next shove a predator engine in something it doesn't belong project
Haha.
Cool
Thanks.
thanks
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Do the springs gave to be treated with heat ? Great video I made a spring but not sure if I need to put it in the oven for a bit??
You need to use spring steel to begin with and it will need zero heat treatment. If you just use non spring steel wire it will never become spring steel, even with heat treating.
sixtyfiveford awesome, thanks a lot!
Gracias!!!
Any advise about how to make constant force springs like those found in tape measures or clothes line reels or retractable dog leases?
The longer the spring the more equal the tension. Tape measure springs do pull with more force the further the tape is extended, just not a lot more. The spring in a tape meaure is at least equal to the length of the tape, but may be double(can't say I've ever measured one),
The A team in one.
Thanks for watching.