I grew tired of the limited drive bays, ability to expand and proprietary hardware of my Sonology NAS. Much happier with a used server hardware and FreeNAS. The only downside is the power draw but that’s the compromise with much freedom to do what I want.
Check out unRAID as an alternative if you like Docker/VM stuff, I would rank it up there with DSM, not quite as polished and easy, but still awesome (but still easy). I run an unRAID server at home since I can't really afford nice Synology boxes like this one no matter how much I want it.
I went with a pretty strong mix of both with a Synology Rackstation. 12 bay, enterprise grade (still proprietary), very quiet after noctua fan swap, and DSM.
@@robertt9342 Sure, Synology is pricey, but a part of that price is not having to fiddle around with things yourself. And having to check on things at least twice a year to update and whatnot(My synology ran in the closet for 5 years, think that *IF* I checked on it, it was more to see if there was a program I could run rather than maintenance).
No one is suggesting to buy a Synology solely for the purpose of these self hosted services. However, if you already have a Synology - why not try these things? Most of the time the CPU's are pretty idle..
@@balla2172 Ubiquiti have gained a reputation of dropping product lines without a suitable replacement or at seemingly random times. This goes for their software too.
A little tip for torrenting "Linux ISO's" - Limit the number of connections to something like this: Global maximum number of connections = 50 Maximum number of connection per torrent= 10 Global maximum number of Upload slots = 5 Maximum number of Upload slots per torrent=3 All the cool kids use Usenet these days, as many of us did 20 years ago, but nothing beats a quality private torrent site imo.
Jason.... Since the DS1621xs+ already has 10GBe and NVMe M.2 for caching I wonder if it could be possible to use a video card in the PCIe slot? Not necessarily as a means for video output but that Plex could possibly utilize for hardware acceleration. Maybe something like the video cards they use for crypto mining. Just a thought. Although I would be reluctant to try it for fear of voiding the warranty. I have a DS1819+ which I have my secondary Plex Server running on in the event I need to shut my primary Plex Server down. Eventually, I want to get the Synology Combo card so I have both 10BGe and M.2 NVMe for the cache. Then I want to get a small 10GBe switch and a 10GBe NIC card for my main Plex server.
Hi Jason, you mentioned you had some photo backups and ai etc.. do you have videos on what you use the synology stuff for in more details (around backups, photos, phone backups etc..)
Jason, thanks for this honest video. Was missing 1 thing in your video though: It's nice that you got your RAM and NVMe's from Synology for this vid, but I would've loved if you mentioned an example what it would cost you (in USD) if you'd buy this yourself. I've used Synology for ages now, but i'm getting to the point where i'm on a crossroad: I love DSM, but the prices and the hardware is letting me down. Did some research myself, and i'm not paying $900 ($450 x 2 16gb RAM) + $340 ($170 x2 NVMe) on top of the already expensive $1650 NAS. That's $2890 to start, and then i still have to buy 6 HDD's! I know storage is expensive, but it's almost like Synology is going Apple Premium prices with their products.
Jason... I have a Synology DS 1819+ that I primarily use for Acronis True Image backups of all the computers in my house. I also am running a separate Plex Server (secondary server). Even though I have 32 GB of memory in it I think it could improve Plex performance if the NAS could do hardware acceleration. I plan to add the Synology combo card you mentioned to it so I can have SSD caching and 10GBe networking. I run a separate Plex server from one of my tower PC's it does pretty good considering it only has an i7-4770K processor with 32GB of ram. I recently replaced the video card with an Asus Phoenix GFORCE RTX-2060. I haven't actually tested the system to see if the new video card made any significant improvements. Since the Synology DS1621xs kills two of the birds my current NAS doesn't have without putting the combo card in it. I wonder if it would be possible to put an actual video card in the PCIe slot. But then I'm thinking the power supply for the NAS probably couldn't handle a video card.
I really want to get a synology unit, like this, but the price point is STEEP. You say its ~$1700, yet when I use your amazon link the only sellers that have it are listing it at ~$2700. Additionally, to kit out a unit like you are showing off, the cost goes up quickly when adding in the HDD's, the SSD's, the Cache drive's and then the upgraded RAM. Gonna be honest, would like to see you do a video discussing the cost of this compared to something like Zeus/Loki. I know Zeus/Loki have not been cheap in any way, but I think it would be helpful to the hobbyist followers to see how the sticker shock of the Synology compares to building something like Zeus/Loki. As always, thank you for sharing. Not sure if RGB is worth the fight, but you do you =)
I've installed Pi Hole on a VM on my hyperV server, but I'd like to get it set up on my QNAP using a Docker install. Can you put together a vid on setting up a Docker with or without PiHole, doesn't matter, would just like to get more things offloaded to the Nas. Thanks Jason
I am using 1821+ 32gb of ram 2x500gb nvme and 8x8TB WD Reds ( shucked of course) I remember when the 4’s went on sale I sent you a message then you bought more. 4TBs now LOL.
I have a DS1517+ and its full of drives and I'm running out of space. Does anyone know, if you buy an expansion unit, do you need to format all your current data to add on the expansion + the drives in it? Or, can you simply take the expansion, fill it with drives, plug it into the primary unit and it will simply add those to the existing raid volume? I've looked on Synology's site and many other places but I've never seemed to find a clear answer.
I have an old synology 12 bay and ran out of space so bought the add on 12 bay expansions and they are just plug and play... no need to wipe or change your current data in any way and everything can be accessed as if it was just a normal bay...
I'd love a DS1621+ with 6x WD Red Pro 14TB drive! However, I DO have a QNAP TS-h973AX with 5x 14TB of those WDs for "big dumb backup storage" and a TS-h886 for primary storage and serving plex. I may add a couple of more apps to the 886, not sure yet. These two run ZFS and SnapSync snapshots from the 886 to the 973.
Man one question, when I am using the nvme cash with two sticks, it doesnt allow me to use both read and write when I have more than one volume. Am I doing something wrong?
Lol.... some times I also bought things I don't need.... lol... I just want this dude to stream all my 4k videos any where I am... well I hope.... not movies but all my family memories direct to my tv.
USB Copy feature is probably because of some exFAT thing - try it again but you'll have to purchase the exFAT license I think. Or try with a FAT32 SD card.
You needed that $5 add-on (NFT I think?) to get the automatic USB copy going. Def annoying they don't spell it out in the USB Copy docker. Works great though once installed. Other nice thing about Synology NAS' vs Unraid server? TimeMachine backups work great. Not so much with Unraid unfortunately.
Trying to decide what to buy for Plex streaming I want to stream atleast 2x4k movies at the sametime. local. its between qnas or synology. but I hear many bad things about qnap with discounts software issues. Either QNAP TS-653D-8G or DS1621+ I could always buy m1 mac mini to stream more movies and for transcoding. can someone help me decide?
While all cpus are good in one thing or another, imo this isnt the best choice for most people, i would take the DS1819+ that comes with Intel Atom C3538 over Intel Xeon D-1527 in terms of efficiency (no hybrid raid is a big down) and i would take the DS1019+ that comes with the Intel Celeron J3455 over the Intel Xeon D-1527 for better plex/surveillance station operation. At some point i would love to see you test NxWitness and compare it blue iris, for me was a game changer, what i used to need a i7 now i can do it with low power celeron.
I am looking at the 1621+ I am looking to do a few Personal Home things with it, Can someone tell me if this Machine can handle all of these setup's at the same time? 1. Run "8" 2k-4k Cameras 2. Run 3-4 Windows Virtual Machines 3. Plex Server 4. Share Plex Server with Family and Friends across the USA "Family Photos and Videos" Thanks to those that Respond in advance.
typical transfer speed of a spinning rust drive is about 120MB/sec (not including cache). SATA6 supports data transfer speeds of about 550MB/sec (typical SATA SSD speed), meaning that the eSATA port can ALMOST run all 5 external drives at full speed. more than enough for a mid-tier storage array. If you were using a workload that needs more than eSATA bandwidth for 5 drives, you would be going for a much beefier piece of kit, such as a full storage shelf.
I've got 64TB raw storage running on an eBay Dell workstation. More memory and cpu horsepower than I need for Plex and the h/w cost less than one of the hdds it hosts. Single socket Xeon E3 processor so pretty economical. Used to have NAS in a box (Netgear) but in order to upgrade or migrate you essentially needed an extra unit which made costs very very high. I've just shuffled all the data around on my Dell replacing the hba. Near zero downtime and no extra costs.
As always. Great if you value your own time at zero cost. And also that rig will be more expensive to run 24/7 since it will have at least a 300W power supply and pull 150+ W of that. With a Synology you are literally up and running sharing files in 15 mins and you don't have to know a lick of Linux command line to do it. So worth it for the majority of people out there. Including me. Who could set up my own NAS from scratch but would rather spend my time adding and configuring services on the Synology instead.
@@Jonteponte71 Ahh time! Everything costs something at the end of the day. I used to run box NAS solutions like this and I've been up and down the houses with RAID levels, replication etc. At the end of the day you are locked into expensive, proprietary hardware that has a habit of being very costly at times you don't expect. An enterprise grade workstation PC on the other hand just keeps running and everything is replaceable on eBay for a few bucks. I simplified my data storage massively. I run JBOD disks and use Drivepool to group them into a single drive letter. I have a 2nd JBOD array that I use scheduled robocopy batch jobs to create a duplicate data mirror. All the data exists on each disk - if anything on the system dies, the disk can be attached to any system and the data directly read. System migration is as simple as picking up and moving the drives from one device to another. Yes, NAS in a box has a place, but I found the lifecycle cost of ownership to be prohibitive ultimately.
I owned two Synology's prior. While they worked just fine if you just wanted to use it as a file server in a set it and forget it manner, the software and customizability was just trash. Unraid gave me so many more options (I containerize about 50 different things and have no issues). Every YTer hypes up Syno because they get all their units for free (in exchange for a biased review). EDIT: I should mention this particular NAS is $1600, which is absurd. You can build a very high end server with that kind of $.
Is the lack of SHR due to the Xeon processors and RAID F1 for the M.2 SSDs? I'm not sure about the technical limitations, but the non-xs model of the 1621+ has SHR.
The eSATA is a let down, but not as much as you'd think, it only becomes relevant if you go over 4 HDDs (SSDs a lot sooner). They turned off SHR for various reasons, I believe the chief one was that it was not different enough to RAID5 in features to justify(though I could be wrong on that). RAID5 does pretty much everything SHR does anyway
The times it is worth it to own your own server is when you need more than just 6 hard drives. So for like when you need or just want 7 hard drives to up to i think there are 50 hard drive rack mount NASes now. For most small businesses, youtube content creators, etc. a small NAS like the synology NAS solutions will do fine it is when you need the higher hard drive amounts in one system mostly due to space that having a prebuilt by like supermirco or doing the DIY route is better still you do need to have a way to cool all the drives which is why prebuilt small scale NAS solutions like the ones Synology sells are popular. Cheap easy to use and can take up to 96TB of data. The Synology DS2419+ is a little better for those who need more storage in little space. The issue is the same though. Only up to 12 hard drives and no way to expand beyond that without buying another unit. Thankfully both have 10Gbps RJ-45 networking so if you need to upgrade from one to the other you don't need to change your network to do so.
If I ever need four to six each 8-10 TB drives for storage, I can just add them to my existing rig, which has six SATA ports...; cost/need of separate NAS? Zero.
The price on those things are ridiculous. Sata interface, and a 10gb nic for $1600? plus the cost of the hard drives? Is saving 50 or 60 watts worth that much? Maybe in a decade? the processor in this thing is a 2015 22nm build.. sure it's xeon but I'm underwhelmed with what you get for the price. You could be out the door with a homebuilt nas running sas drives that will cost less than half of this thing. Personally, I'm not seeing the value.
Is this sponsored by Synology? Have had 6 Synology boxes over the past 10 years, but now days an older LGA 1150 with a Xeon or even an i3 paired with unraid is super cheap and way more powerful than comparable Synology gear. The pricing difference easily off sets the additional power draw costs as well as the ability to easily upgrade or replace components down the line. Even upgrading with non Synology RAM or network card can terminate you warranty. Once you get over USD1000 Synology’s value for money evaporates. Most people would be happy with the “Play” versions for the cloud and photo station, and then have a Pi and Unraid for everything else.
Dude...while the synology and other nas devices are good, i am tired of being locked into their hardware and support to the point that when they decide to stop supporting it or there are issues with the apps. I went from an old (yes i know old) Drobo to a new freenas server. It is setup on a Silverstone CS280B case that supports (8) 2.5 drives and I can put in any ITX motherboard that fits my needs. I chose the ASRock Rack C3758D4I-4L which supports 13 drives (8 drives via a mini SAS header). Yes the cpu is not the greatest but it works well running freenas as the NAS software. I am also running CouchPotato, SickBeard and SABnzbd as jails. I also have an identical unit as a DR server. I am running plex on another Silverstone SG13 case running an Intel XEON E3 1225 and onboard video for HW transcoding. The freenas server is just as beefy if not more than the Synology and it is expandable. The key point I was making is that with my freenas I am not locked into a hardware vendors device that at some point they will stop supporting it and I will be forced to buy something new if I want to add newer technology. With the freenas server I went with I have more flexibility. Yes the price point is about the same for a bare synology and for a fully loaded fully functional freenas that uses no more electricity and foot print than the Synology...One draw back is the freenas is more intensive on setup and managing.
If you had used 7200 rpm drives like the seagate Exos you wouldn’t have the stutter. WD reds are sloooooooowwwwww. The Exos 7200’s use CMR vs. the crap SMR for NAS as well. I got 2x6TB for $300. Another 9more expensive) solution would be to go direct to 580MB/sec ssd’s. If you look around, you’ll find out cache doesn’t do much in DSM 6.x, and they’re planning to actually get some value from it in DSM 7.x...
Yes you can do it, but don't put all your faiths in Synology, it's just not "safe" from a freedom standpoint. I'm very worried and disappointed after seeing the changes made in the DSM 7.0 preview.
Gotta love those 4K HDR Ubuntu ISOs
Ubuntu Issholes
Haha too right
"Ubuntu" ISO's same man!
I grew tired of the limited drive bays, ability to expand and proprietary hardware of my Sonology NAS. Much happier with a used server hardware and FreeNAS. The only downside is the power draw but that’s the compromise with much freedom to do what I want.
Do love DSM sometimes
Check out unRAID as an alternative if you like Docker/VM stuff, I would rank it up there with DSM, not quite as polished and easy, but still awesome (but still easy). I run an unRAID server at home since I can't really afford nice Synology boxes like this one no matter how much I want it.
I went with a pretty strong mix of both with a Synology Rackstation.
12 bay, enterprise grade (still proprietary), very quiet after noctua fan swap, and DSM.
proxmox + xpenology :) [or truenas scale once it's ready next year]
Most self hosted services such as PiHole nextcloud docker and such can be done with the pi3/4 for a 10th of the price of a synology
Yep, and there is compromises there too. But I agree the price of the synology devices is too much.
But....if you already have a synology, more to love.
@@robertt9342 Sure, Synology is pricey, but a part of that price is not having to fiddle around with things yourself. And having to check on things at least twice a year to update and whatnot(My synology ran in the closet for 5 years, think that *IF* I checked on it, it was more to see if there was a program I could run rather than maintenance).
No one is suggesting to buy a Synology solely for the purpose of these self hosted services. However, if you already have a Synology - why not try these things? Most of the time the CPU's are pretty idle..
I hope you do Ubiquiti gear one day on your videos
Hopefully not. Ubiquiti isn’t what they used to be.
@@springbok4015 need explanation on thus comment
@@balla2172 Ubiquiti have gained a reputation of dropping product lines without a suitable replacement or at seemingly random times. This goes for their software too.
That was one long (and funny at times) Synology commercial. ;)
I can’t get my Synology NAS to stay connected and run Plex. Every time I try to use Plex, I have to reconnect the nas. What am I doing wrong?
Which model, CPU and RAM?
@@wfp9378 418 play.
i would check power settings
has a similar issue. ended up setting up a scheduled task to to connect to the share 30 secs after the plex server boots up.
@@MrOne2watch thanks
A little tip for torrenting "Linux ISO's" - Limit the number of connections to something like this:
Global maximum number of connections = 50
Maximum number of connection per torrent= 10
Global maximum number of Upload slots = 5
Maximum number of Upload slots per torrent=3
All the cool kids use Usenet these days, as many of us did 20 years ago, but nothing beats a quality private torrent site imo.
Do you have a link for the Memories software?
The price has always been a barrier for me. I'd need ~40% price reduction in the models I am looking for for me to buy right now, where I live.
Same
I just can't see paying that much for a little computer with a few empty drive slots, when I can build faster for less....
Love Synology…. Great video as always
Jason.... Since the DS1621xs+ already has 10GBe and NVMe M.2 for caching I wonder if it could be possible to use a video card in the PCIe slot? Not necessarily as a means for video output but that Plex could possibly utilize for hardware acceleration. Maybe something like the video cards they use for crypto mining. Just a thought. Although I would be reluctant to try it for fear of voiding the warranty. I have a DS1819+ which I have my secondary Plex Server running on in the event I need to shut my primary Plex Server down. Eventually, I want to get the Synology Combo card so I have both 10BGe and M.2 NVMe for the cache. Then I want to get a small 10GBe switch and a 10GBe NIC card for my main Plex server.
What is that camera stand behind him?
So you can set up Home Assistant in Docker on the Synology NAS?
Hi Jason, you mentioned you had some photo backups and ai etc.. do you have videos on what you use the synology stuff for in more details (around backups, photos, phone backups etc..)
Ubuntu ISOs... Right. I'm sure that's what you torrent.
Doesn’t want to share AI photo metadata.
Top AI category:
L’il sausage (542)
@bytemybits In your opinion, is it better to run Plex on this device using Plex's software installer, or to run it in Docker?
If you can install Windows, can you install MacOS?
Jason, thanks for this honest video. Was missing 1 thing in your video though: It's nice that you got your RAM and NVMe's from Synology for this vid,
but I would've loved if you mentioned an example what it would cost you (in USD) if you'd buy this yourself.
I've used Synology for ages now, but i'm getting to the point where i'm on a crossroad: I love DSM, but the prices and the hardware is letting me down.
Did some research myself, and i'm not paying $900 ($450 x 2 16gb RAM) + $340 ($170 x2 NVMe) on top of the already expensive $1650 NAS.
That's $2890 to start, and then i still have to buy 6 HDD's!
I know storage is expensive, but it's almost like Synology is going Apple Premium prices with their products.
Synology is the iPhone of NAS.
Speaking of apple I only found one video speaking of putting MacOS on a NAS I would love to learn more on that.
Jason... I have a Synology DS 1819+ that I primarily use for Acronis True Image backups of all the computers in my house. I also am running a separate Plex Server (secondary server). Even though I have 32 GB of memory in it I think it could improve Plex performance if the NAS could do hardware acceleration. I plan to add the Synology combo card you mentioned to it so I can have SSD caching and 10GBe networking. I run a separate Plex server from one of my tower PC's it does pretty good considering it only has an i7-4770K processor with 32GB of ram. I recently replaced the video card with an Asus Phoenix GFORCE RTX-2060. I haven't actually tested the system to see if the new video card made any significant improvements. Since the Synology DS1621xs kills two of the birds my current NAS doesn't have without putting the combo card in it. I wonder if it would be possible to put an actual video card in the PCIe slot. But then I'm thinking the power supply for the NAS probably couldn't handle a video card.
Which nas would be better to use for blu iris and plex together??
I really want to get a synology unit, like this, but the price point is STEEP. You say its ~$1700, yet when I use your amazon link the only sellers that have it are listing it at ~$2700. Additionally, to kit out a unit like you are showing off, the cost goes up quickly when adding in the HDD's, the SSD's, the Cache drive's and then the upgraded RAM.
Gonna be honest, would like to see you do a video discussing the cost of this compared to something like Zeus/Loki. I know Zeus/Loki have not been cheap in any way, but I think it would be helpful to the hobbyist followers to see how the sticker shock of the Synology compares to building something like Zeus/Loki.
As always, thank you for sharing. Not sure if RGB is worth the fight, but you do you =)
I've installed Pi Hole on a VM on my hyperV server, but I'd like to get it set up on my QNAP using a Docker install. Can you put together a vid on setting up a Docker with or without PiHole, doesn't matter, would just like to get more things offloaded to the Nas. Thanks Jason
This vs qnap tvs 872xt for plex media server?
Lan cache is awesome but there is no way I'd give up ipv6 for that. We need to push the internet forward not hold it back!!!
Broke with docker and steam
I'm highly curious about the motorized jib in the background.
How did you install Pi-hole on it? I can’t seem to get it to work.
I am using 1821+ 32gb of ram 2x500gb nvme and 8x8TB WD Reds ( shucked of course) I remember when the 4’s went on sale I sent you a message then you bought more. 4TBs now LOL.
Can you plug in an external gpu? Gaming in a VM? Just curious
I have a DS1517+ and its full of drives and I'm running out of space. Does anyone know, if you buy an expansion unit, do you need to format all your current data to add on the expansion + the drives in it? Or, can you simply take the expansion, fill it with drives, plug it into the primary unit and it will simply add those to the existing raid volume?
I've looked on Synology's site and many other places but I've never seemed to find a clear answer.
I have an old synology 12 bay and ran out of space so bought the add on 12 bay expansions and they are just plug and play... no need to wipe or change your current data in any way and everything can be accessed as if it was just a normal bay...
@@scotsparaman This is perfect! thanks!
I'd love a DS1621+ with 6x WD Red Pro 14TB drive! However, I DO have a QNAP TS-h973AX with 5x 14TB of those WDs for "big dumb backup storage" and a TS-h886 for primary storage and serving plex. I may add a couple of more apps to the 886, not sure yet. These two run ZFS and SnapSync snapshots from the 886 to the 973.
Man one question, when I am using the nvme cash with two sticks, it doesnt allow me to use both read and write when I have more than one volume. Am I doing something wrong?
RE: SHR, it's not new and I'm surprised it's not available on your unit. I have it on a DS1511, DS1813 and RSxyz(forget number).
I don’t think any of the Synology units with Xeon CPUs support SHR.
@@rudygarcia1614 well you can always hack SHR support back in these boxes
Does Synology's AI scanning tech keep data locally or is it processed online?
It’s all locally processed 👍🏻
Lol.... some times I also bought things I don't need.... lol... I just want this dude to stream all my 4k videos any where I am... well I hope.... not movies but all my family memories direct to my tv.
USB Copy feature is probably because of some exFAT thing - try it again but you'll have to purchase the exFAT license I think. Or try with a FAT32 SD card.
Ive got this NAS and the first thing I did when I recieved it was to SSH into it and enable SHR. So it does support it, if you want it enough.
Do you have the DS1621xs+ or the DS1621+? I'm wondering if the "XS" models are the difference when it comes to SHR.
@@NeilForker I have the XS+. I think the non XS model supports SHR without all the black magic woodoo SSHit
I hope you get those iso's safely Jason 😁 delugevpn docker will keep you safe
What a funny and well done video :)
Lmao almost snitched on yourself. So glad people like yourself are keeping the sources for Ubuntu iso's readily available
You needed that $5 add-on (NFT I think?) to get the automatic USB copy going. Def annoying they don't spell it out in the USB Copy docker. Works great though once installed. Other nice thing about Synology NAS' vs Unraid server? TimeMachine backups work great. Not so much with Unraid unfortunately.
Trying to decide what to buy for Plex streaming I want to stream atleast 2x4k movies at the sametime. local. its between qnas or synology. but I hear many bad things about qnap with discounts software issues. Either QNAP TS-653D-8G or DS1621+
I could always buy m1 mac mini to stream more movies and for transcoding. can someone help me decide?
I am a man of excess.... me too! 😂
While all cpus are good in one thing or another, imo this isnt the best choice for most people, i would take the DS1819+ that comes with Intel Atom C3538 over Intel Xeon D-1527 in terms of efficiency (no hybrid raid is a big down) and i would take the DS1019+ that comes with the Intel Celeron J3455 over the Intel Xeon D-1527 for better plex/surveillance station operation.
At some point i would love to see you test NxWitness and compare it blue iris, for me was a game changer, what i used to need a i7 now i can do it with low power celeron.
Has anyone added a Quadro card to this model? Is it possible, so it can transcode off a GPU and not the CPU?
BMB is getting into the Big boi expensive NAS shitt. :)
I am looking at the 1621+ I am looking to do a few Personal Home things with it, Can someone tell me if this Machine can handle all of these setup's at the same time?
1. Run "8" 2k-4k Cameras
2. Run 3-4 Windows Virtual Machines
3. Plex Server
4. Share Plex Server with Family and Friends across the USA "Family Photos and Videos"
Thanks to those that Respond in advance.
i like servers and tech, it is not really for me, but it is AMAZING if you need to store stuff.
Just ordered my 420
typical transfer speed of a spinning rust drive is about 120MB/sec (not including cache). SATA6 supports data transfer speeds of about 550MB/sec (typical SATA SSD speed), meaning that the eSATA port can ALMOST run all 5 external drives at full speed. more than enough for a mid-tier storage array. If you were using a workload that needs more than eSATA bandwidth for 5 drives, you would be going for a much beefier piece of kit, such as a full storage shelf.
I have the 1621+ and it supports SHR.
Thumbs up for supporting the Ubuntu comunity
I'm having my unraid server... Just to be a seed of your Ubuntu iso download!
I've got 64TB raw storage running on an eBay Dell workstation. More memory and cpu horsepower than I need for Plex and the h/w cost less than one of the hdds it hosts.
Single socket Xeon E3 processor so pretty economical.
Used to have NAS in a box (Netgear) but in order to upgrade or migrate you essentially needed an extra unit which made costs very very high. I've just shuffled all the data around on my Dell replacing the hba. Near zero downtime and no extra costs.
As always. Great if you value your own time at zero cost. And also that rig will be more expensive to run 24/7 since it will have at least a 300W power supply and pull 150+ W of that.
With a Synology you are literally up and running sharing files in 15 mins and you don't have to know a lick of Linux command line to do it.
So worth it for the majority of people out there. Including me. Who could set up my own NAS from scratch but would rather spend my time adding and configuring services on the Synology instead.
@@Jonteponte71 Ahh time! Everything costs something at the end of the day. I used to run box NAS solutions like this and I've been up and down the houses with RAID levels, replication etc. At the end of the day you are locked into expensive, proprietary hardware that has a habit of being very costly at times you don't expect. An enterprise grade workstation PC on the other hand just keeps running and everything is replaceable on eBay for a few bucks.
I simplified my data storage massively. I run JBOD disks and use Drivepool to group them into a single drive letter. I have a 2nd JBOD array that I use scheduled robocopy batch jobs to create a duplicate data mirror.
All the data exists on each disk - if anything on the system dies, the disk can be attached to any system and the data directly read. System migration is as simple as picking up and moving the drives from one device to another.
Yes, NAS in a box has a place, but I found the lifecycle cost of ownership to be prohibitive ultimately.
you missed that + letter in the HL... XS+
Synology, Please make a 10gig rj45 card upgrade for the ds918+ !! This thing is absolutely perfect and fits all my needs but it needs 10gig...
synology is great BUT their software sure could use better features.
download station comes to mind....
I owned two Synology's prior. While they worked just fine if you just wanted to use it as a file server in a set it and forget it manner, the software and customizability was just trash. Unraid gave me so many more options (I containerize about 50 different things and have no issues). Every YTer hypes up Syno because they get all their units for free (in exchange for a biased review).
EDIT: I should mention this particular NAS is $1600, which is absurd. You can build a very high end server with that kind of $.
I agree about the missing SHR, deal breaker for me!
Is the lack of SHR due to the Xeon processors and RAID F1 for the M.2 SSDs? I'm not sure about the technical limitations, but the non-xs model of the 1621+ has SHR.
Sp basically a fully spec synology is what around $4k. For me i still rather build my own server.
The eSATA is a let down, but not as much as you'd think, it only becomes relevant if you go over 4 HDDs (SSDs a lot sooner).
They turned off SHR for various reasons, I believe the chief one was that it was not different enough to RAID5 in features to justify(though I could be wrong on that). RAID5 does pretty much everything SHR does anyway
You can have the same experience with a supermicro mobo itx like x10sdv-tln4f and case cse-721tq-250b
The times it is worth it to own your own server is when you need more than just 6 hard drives. So for like when you need or just want 7 hard drives to up to i think there are 50 hard drive rack mount NASes now. For most small businesses, youtube content creators, etc. a small NAS like the synology NAS solutions will do fine it is when you need the higher hard drive amounts in one system mostly due to space that having a prebuilt by like supermirco or doing the DIY route is better still you do need to have a way to cool all the drives which is why prebuilt small scale NAS solutions like the ones Synology sells are popular. Cheap easy to use and can take up to 96TB of data.
The Synology DS2419+ is a little better for those who need more storage in little space. The issue is the same though. Only up to 12 hard drives and no way to expand beyond that without buying another unit. Thankfully both have 10Gbps RJ-45 networking so if you need to upgrade from one to the other you don't need to change your network to do so.
Duck or geese torrents?
6:20-6:24 That's what she said. Better late then never. 😁
This thing with GFX acceleration would make me git my AMEX out no issue..
32gb can handle 8K Japanese porn lol
If I ever need four to six each 8-10 TB drives for storage, I can just add them to my existing rig, which has six SATA ports...; cost/need of separate NAS? Zero.
Meanwhile the edelkrone kit hanging out.
Ha, too slow a movement makes me feel like I’m moving and not the camera, little disorienting
Ubuntu ISOs are great xD
The price on those things are ridiculous. Sata interface, and a 10gb nic for $1600? plus the cost of the hard drives? Is saving 50 or 60 watts worth that much? Maybe in a decade? the processor in this thing is a 2015 22nm build.. sure it's xeon but I'm underwhelmed with what you get for the price. You could be out the door with a homebuilt nas running sas drives that will cost less than half of this thing. Personally, I'm not seeing the value.
I wish Synology would give ME ludicrous amounts of stuff
/jealousy
Hmmmm...I think WD Red uses SMR. Just be aware of that.
just activate SHR via config edit over SSH ;-)
Is this sponsored by Synology? Have had 6 Synology boxes over the past 10 years, but now days an older LGA 1150 with a Xeon or even an i3 paired with unraid is super cheap and way more powerful than comparable Synology gear. The pricing difference easily off sets the additional power draw costs as well as the ability to easily upgrade or replace components down the line. Even upgrading with non Synology RAM or network card can terminate you warranty. Once you get over USD1000 Synology’s value for money evaporates. Most people would be happy with the “Play” versions for the cloud and photo station, and then have a Pi and Unraid for everything else.
It's exactly like those idiots buying cars for over $500. They all have an engine and a steering wheel for christ sake!
Dude...while the synology and other nas devices are good, i am tired of being locked into their hardware and support to the point that when they decide to stop supporting it or there are issues with the apps. I went from an old (yes i know old) Drobo to a new freenas server. It is setup on a Silverstone CS280B case that supports (8) 2.5 drives and I can put in any ITX motherboard that fits my needs. I chose the ASRock Rack C3758D4I-4L which supports 13 drives (8 drives via a mini SAS header). Yes the cpu is not the greatest but it works well running freenas as the NAS software. I am also running CouchPotato, SickBeard and SABnzbd as jails. I also have an identical unit as a DR server. I am running plex on another Silverstone SG13 case running an Intel XEON E3 1225 and onboard video for HW transcoding.
The freenas server is just as beefy if not more than the Synology and it is expandable. The key point I was making is that with my freenas I am not locked into a hardware vendors device that at some point they will stop supporting it and I will be forced to buy something new if I want to add newer technology. With the freenas server I went with I have more flexibility. Yes the price point is about the same for a bare synology and for a fully loaded fully functional freenas that uses no more electricity and foot print than the Synology...One draw back is the freenas is more intensive on setup and managing.
If you had used 7200 rpm drives like the seagate Exos you wouldn’t have the stutter. WD reds are sloooooooowwwwww. The Exos 7200’s use CMR vs. the crap SMR for NAS as well. I got 2x6TB for $300. Another 9more expensive) solution would be to go direct to 580MB/sec ssd’s. If you look around, you’ll find out cache doesn’t do much in DSM 6.x, and they’re planning to actually get some value from it in DSM 7.x...
cat seven or cat eight even better
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Synology says Rgb is stupid ? I like synology even more
Yes you can do it, but don't put all your faiths in Synology, it's just not "safe" from a freedom standpoint. I'm very worried and disappointed after seeing the changes made in the DSM 7.0 preview.
Why would you put RGB on a very small an discrete NAS?, yeah.. RGB are for kids
A Synology is like a PlayStation
It is good at what it is build for, but anything more is pretty limited
You can run anything under the sun on it. And much easier to set up than any Linux server. Why is it "limited"?
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TH-camrs love a “...but more on that in a minute”-ass statement boi haha
rgb is stupid. No, you fight me.
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$1600 for a quad core PC is highway robbery lol