So of course barrel length will play a role in those tests. Fortunately... I've done a quite a bit of this already. While I don't have the video equipment to film it all I can tell you my findings. Using my Taurus Raging Judge Magnum with a 6 1/2 inch barrel vs a S&W Model 25 with a 6 1/2 inch barrel using the same loads in each which I tested 5 different loads. Georgia Arms 200gr LRNFP, Georgia Arms 250gr LRNFP, Federal American Eagle 225gr SJSP, Buffalo Bore 225gr SLHP, and lastly Remington 230gr HTP JHP. The Georgia Arms loads were rated at 750 fps for the 200gr and 725 for the 250gr. The Raging Judge averaged around 820 for the 200gr and 800 for the 250gr. The S&W averaged around 850 for the 200gr and around 830 for the 250gr. The Federal was rated at 860 fps. In the Raging Judge I averaged 910 fps and in the S&W I averaged 940 fps. The Buffalo Bore is rated at 1,050 fps. The Raging Judge averaged 1,020 and the S&W averaged 1,060. But I noted that expansion was nearly identical on both with every round fired. Seems a 6 1/2 inch barrel or above doesn't make much of a difference as I test fired from an 18 inch barrel as well. Lastly the Remington is rated at 850 fps. The Raging Judge averaged 910 fps and the S&W averaged 930 fps. Between the Remington and the Federal I didn't notice a difference in expansion for the most part between the two guns. Some rounds were partially expanded, others failed, and a few got full or close to full expansion. As for accuracy I took both guns out to 35 yards maximum. And I will attest I am not the greatest pistol shot out there, group sizes were similar though when running the lead nose Georgia Arms rounds the S&W did group better than the Taurus and was closer to point of aim as was the case with the Buffalo Bore. With the jacketed bullets the Taurus grouped better but still slightly worse than the S&W. That said, both would be considered acceptable groups at that range. When shooting at anything closer such as 25 yard targets or closer the group sizes were tighter with both guns but not more so to lead me to believe one would be more "Accurate" than the other. If I had tested some hotter loads more akin to +P and such I believe the S&W could have seen much better performance as the cylinder gap and cylinder travel of the Taurus would cause a drop in performance. But with standard pressure ammo and cowboy loads, while there's a difference I don't think it's as significant a s some would have you believe. Of course, every gun varies and this could just be my experience with them but so far whenever I have seen or read about tests comparing such things the results tend to be similar.
@@Predalien195 hmm.... very interesting, I would have really thought the cylinder gap in the judge and governor style of revolvers would have more of an impact on velocity and accuracy. Glad to see it doesn't all that much, thank you for taking the time to address all this. You seem to be very thorough with your findings, it could be good if you invested a bit into filming equipment for youtube. Never know, sounds like it could work for you, god bless from ole Carolina. 👍
You and me both. It might do well from something like my Mountain Gun, at probably 950 fps or so. If it could get 10-12“ of penetration, assuming a little less expansion, it would be viable
Interesting test! The copper rounds have potential. The .357 did well and the expansion of the .45 through the MDF was good. I think if you shot the .45 through a more traditional revolver it might have faired better.
Man, I’m jealous. We still haven’t had any legit winter weather here in NE OH. That being said, I’d like to see Speer come out with a 230 grain Gold Dot designed for .45 Colt and loaded to the full 14,000 psi standard. Also, bless you for saying that muzzle energy isn’t everything!
Interesting test it may have been because of the gun or the ammo but the 45 colt seemed a little underwhelming but I'd still like to see 45 colt vs 45 acp
You should add a Ruger Blackhawk convertible .45acp/.45colt to your collection. It would make for a number of interesting comparisons and allow a better representation of 45 colt capabilities.
But that's what you want to see. People need to remember I am not a professional and use my own personal handguns to test. I wanted a Governor for fun and personally would never use a single action to train with.
@@GunSam Man don't worry about that mess, you put out some really good videos, good details about Ballistics is why i enjoy your test videos. If Folks want to see longer heavy barrel tests they can always lend you theirs. I do have a request though, i got some Defender 158 grain .357 H P s, i was wanting to know the ballistics out of a 4 inch barrel , can you get these rounds in your area ? They are made in Raeford North Carolina. I'd send you some, but money is real tight this month.
I agree with your assessment completely. I am not thinking that the Governor/Judge get along well with this ammo. They may require a diligent search to find a good load. The same 45 Colt loading performs outstanding in both my 4 3/4 in single action and my 73 Winchester. It is one of the few that doesn't fragment the bullet when shot through the rifle. I am getting 950 fps in the handgun and 1250 fps through the rifle. I was happy to see that the velocity threshold for expansion looks to be right where you were getting. That should mean that I can still expect expansion out to 50yds through my handgun and a 100yds in the rifle. Thank you for your work.
With this ammo it was weird, as other .45 Colt ammo I tested did great. I think it was undersized. I tested some nickel plated brass .45 ACP VS non nickel plating (as I know .45 ACP is like .473" to .476" in a .480 chamber, and with that the brass stuff lost like 300 FPS where the nickel plating lost maybe 150 FPS. So the ammo just has to be of good spec to run right. Also the bullets I recovered from this ammo were like .440 at the base, adding powder blowby. If I had lead ammo in nickel brass, this would be the one to try!
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Not sure I am understanding. Did your chamber throats measure .480? I checked mine with pin gages and they are all .452. Pretty common for 45 Colt fans to check this because different guns have had trouble with it in the past. If they are .480 then that is definitely where your velocity went.
@@brianmoore1164 Not saying I measured chamber throats. Saying you can see the chambers are set for the correct length of .45 Colt as the little taper into the throat is at the end of the .45 Colt Brass length, and .45 Colt is .480" brass size while .45 ACP is less than that.
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Ahhhh, okay, now I got it. .480 sounded like it could have been dangerous. Chamber vs throat blah blah blah. Making sense now.
Greating and shooting Sam! Those are impressive rounds. Either onevus effective to stop the threat. I used to have some of the. 357 magnum rounds. Alot the magnum rounds are hard to get a hold of or overpriced on the current market. 🎩☯️♠️🏁☯️
My favorite series from you so far. Loving my Governor, especially with tier 2 45 Colt loads. 650-750 foot pounds of energy is no joke in a 45 Colt. Edit: Man, that is a low energy 45 Colt round. I've seen cowboy action rounds clock in higher energy.
Yeah. The standard pressure Buffalo Bore I tested was 499 FPE. I don't recall the weight. I plan more Buffalo Bore tests, as well as that Underwood round designed for a Judge or Governor.
@@GunSam Yep, the Maximum Expansion is pretty badass. Gets less than 12 inches of penetration, but creates a giant, nasty wound channel. Keep up the good work. I'll keep watching with great interest.
Do you have a PO Box? I want to send you some SuperVel ammo if you'd want to test it. You tested the 90gr. 38 Spl +P a couple years ago but I'd like to see it put through your new protocol. The original test you did was even before the Jugornaut.
@@GunSam I would love to see that test too. I just wish I didn't blow my money on other things so I could just send you the money to get the ammunition.
I’m happy carrying my .44 Magnum in a Vanquest Dendrite pack OR one of the kids’ Nintendo Switch Adventure Packs - totally “grey man”, I personally recommend both/either 👍🏻
You are a great TH-cam Sam! Incredible testing as always. I would love love love to see more 410 and 45 colt testing. Preferably some Liberty Civil Defense 45 colt or Double tap. As well as some 410 PDX in more depth. Thank you God bless
Would love to see the effectiveness of the .357 out of a rifle, if you're able, I have a box which was advertised for deer hunting; after watching your vid, I'm not so sure. Great work on your presentations! 👍
I remember reading that air temperature can effect velocity in two ways. First, cold air is more dense, raising barometric pressure and reducing velocity. Second, warmer powder burns faster and hotter, increasing velocity. So all other things being equal, you should have better velocities on warmer days. Do you ever repeat your winter tests in the summer. I just wonder if the difference would be noticeable..
Yes, I have. 80% of the time velocity is a bit higher in winter. Cold affects long range velocity in a rifle, but not at handgun distance. I also did a freezing ammo test. If the ammo was more or less 0 to 20 degrees, velocity dropped 20 FPS. If the ammo was just cold a little, no change.
@@GunSam If you are storing your ammo in below freezing temps you're doing something wrong 😂 But that is an interesting statistics. Hopefully I'd never have a need to fire my gun when it's below freezing but If I do I'll know to take a couple extra shots.
A friend has the Judge . I like it , I carry a Taurus 431.( if my memory is serving me ) . 5 shot 44 special . Fat and slow no real expansion expected . Yup similar to the 45ACP . Thanks for the information .
The .357 is hard to best and unnecessary to beat. If you can deal with the 💥, it’s the 💣! The .357 will do whatever you need it to do in a handgun. But most would perhaps prefer a 38+P. I know I do. Merry Christmas Sam. I’m enjoying your channel.
I've shot 45 colt out of both a 5.5" barrel and an 8" barrel and I can definitely tell you it's a world of difference. 8" barrel had 200fps more velocity but much less recoil. Both on '58 replicas.
I live in a condo and this brings up a good point about home protection. I had a neighbor who we would talk about it and discussed the issue of bullet travel in such an event in an apartment or in a home with adjoining/shared walls... what would be the most effective firearm, giving the optimal power without excess travel? While I am no expert on this subject, I contended that the colt .45 may be the best for such cases; it provides solid stopping power, but because of its muzzle velocity, it may be the one bullet to cause the least amount of unintentional damage should a shot and bullet stray. Of course, this is no guarantee; all shots should be on target, but in a life and death situation, there's likely to be a stray, no doubt. But given the danger of strays, I feel the .45 colt, maybe a 180gr or 200gr lead hollow point may be the best option; good expansion with faster diffused travel through some solid objects. The object is to stop an intruder solidly in his tracks; in this case, I may not want to use a full metal jacket bullet and firearm that's known for high muzzle velocity; especially in a home with neighbors close by. Again, this is just a thought experiment on the subject matter. Let me know what you think.
Any hollow point bullet that strikes a wall, will not expand and simply go through like a full metal jacket. The .45 Colt has quite a bit of mass behind it which could easily penetrate a wall. There's not really any ideal projectiles that penetrate deep enough in an attacker, yet won't penetrate a wall easily unfortunately.
in the mid 30s and 40s a 158g 357magnum. would travel at 1500fps. now 140g travel 1200fps. that sucks the high winds. if certain people can't handle the 357magnum or the 357sig. just stay away from it. I love my powerful 357magnum and the 357sig. the way they were meant to be.
I would love to see the 357 ammo shot through your Taurus 605. I know it will lose velocity. But how much? And what difference will it make in the gel?
Interesting Sam. Do you see much difference between hex and standard barrels regarding gas loss? Zero gas loss should make a gun a lot more accurate when changing weights. Thanks. Try not to freeze solid out there.
It's chambered for .45 Colt, and some other standard .45 Colt ammo I tested gave me 500 ft lbs. I don't know what the deal was with this particular ammo.
Interesting test. I've got a governor that I bought right before the, um, current health crisis so I've never shot it due to the shortage and expense of ammo. Thanks for spending money !
i'd like to see tests using a heavy black powder load of .45 colt (40 grains of 3f, 250 grain lead flatpoint) it generates more energy than .357 magnum (with lower velocity)
Have you ever tested the Buffalo bore 38 special +P Hard cast Keith? It’s a 158 grain hard cast that’s suppose to have velocity of 1,250fps out of a six inch barrel? I want to see if it really gets 1250 FPS out of a six inch barrel. Also the Barnes 357 magnum load you tested in this video is one of the most accurate loads my revolver shoots, I shoot it out of a 6inch barrel and 357, It’s also one of the few rounds available right now. But I have tested it in the past years and It performed very well Great uniform expansion 4 water jugs stopped in jug number 4 when I tested it.
Barnes tac xp 125 grain 357 loaded to 1600 fps out of a 6”… let’s just say it’s an awesome round construction even at super high impact velocity. 100% retention and full expansion
Maybe Santa will bring you a regular (hopefully double action!) .45 Colt to run some of your test ammo through? Maybe? BTW, I'd be real interested to see you chrono and test a carbine or two. A .357 Marlin M-1894 lever gun, for example? I wonder what a light for caliber (110 gr, 125 gr) .357 going close to 2000 fps would do in gel? Fragment? Blow clean through? Paul H shot a meat target with a 125 gr WW JSP and it mushroomed impressively out of a Marlin...
I just bought a few boxes of the Vor-tx, I have wanted to see the tac-xpd or try it but have not been able to find it. 125 grain, so maybe a nice low recoil load. If you can get your hands on some would be great to see a test.
Hey Sam was wondering if you tested out the 44 magnum buffalo bore 180 grain anti personell hardcast hollowpoints if not I would be more than happy to send a box for you to test for a video.
I was debating ordering some of that ammo next week. The issue is I prefer comparison videos and I can't seen to find anything comparable. Knowing someone actually wants to see that ammo I will just do something like a random 10mm Buffalo Bore or something, with the excuse 10mm don't come in lead hollow points.
@@anthonymartinez3084 I think I have tested the .44 Special. Just not the magnum. I decided to just do that .44 Mag VS a 180 gr JHP 10mm. The boxes both say Buffalo Bore, people won't complain
Don’t forget your going to lose velocity in colder weather conditions. The 357 Mag test didn’t surprise me at all. I bet it would be right at rated velocity in warmer conditions
Always enjoy your videos and my wallet thanks you every time you pull out the Governor I had toyed with the idea of getting a Governor or Judge a long time, but I am over that now. Not that they would not be fun to have just no real suppose for me personally to justify buying one.
I think ultimately it will come down to if you like weird things. Like I hear the Underwood Maximum Expansion is a load designed specifically for the Governor or Judge. It's .45 Colt but won't chamber in a normal .45 Colt revolver, only in the shotgun revolvers and I think it will in .460 Mag revolvers too. I hear it's quite intense. I will be buying some next week.
Very interesting! Question: I have a 45lc revolver but it doesn't shoot .410, so the cylinder is much smaller. How would that impact performance, in your estimation?
Shouldn't be any real difference. The .45 Colt is the bigger cartridge and .410 is smaller, so my revolver here is basically like any other except the cylinder throats are longer. Looking at all the Buffalo Bore ammo I have tested in this S&W Governor, it's spot on to the same velocity all their ammo gets in a 4" S&W model 625 in .45 Colt.
Interesting. I would have expected the 45 to get 900- ish fps. No doubt the generous chambers and long cylinder are having an effect. If it could have gotten 10-12" of penetration, assuming a little less expansion, it would be a viable load. The 357 should do well, and probably has modest recoil in its class. Good test
Do you ever test any home reloads? Reloaders can customize rounds to be more effective than factory and eventually this would give you years more of content to provide. Something to think about if you don't already do this.
I have, but the only ones were .32 H&R and .38 Special with XTP's. I had single digit velocity spreads and more energy than factory, but the downside is they were XTP bullets and didn't expand well. But loaded with other bullets the velocity isn't as high as with XTP's.
Maybe the Governor is intended to be how possibly less lethal and more focused for self defence rather than a 357 which could be for a more intence fight
these were the resulted I expected and was hoping for, actually. I have a .45lc with a short barrel and I don't want it to go right through a person, just into them. Maybe not the best ooutlook, but to be fair, it's my backup edc. So, it's there if it's more convenient to draw and if I'm at a close distance (and I can't tell you how much I never want to be in a gunfight or any situation where I need to draw my firearm)....or, if for some reason, 15 rounds of 9mm don't do the trick and I foolishly decide "let's see what I can do with 5 rounds from a snubnose" 😂 It's also a Titanium gun, with some steel parts, so it's ultralight... but it's got a ported barrel, that makes it (not even kidding) as easy to fire as my 9mm. 🤷♂️ it's also like the Marty Robbins song Mr Shorty.... 17" of flame from the muzzel and the ported barrel makes it look like a dragster 😂 another couple inches of flame from all 6 portholes
The VOR-TX in .45 Colt is definitely meant for a longer barrel. I've tried it out in my 6 1/2 inch Raging Judge as well as a S&W Model 25 with a 6 1/2 inch barrel. Expansion is excellent but the penetration gets better with the longer barrel compared to the Governor. I would wager the .357 is no different.
@@bobjohnson1633 I was referring to the round in question. The VOR-TX ammunition is intended for hunting purposes so, in typical hunting revolver lengths or carbines it's going to do well which was my point. In snub barrels, it's not going expand properly but both the .357 and .45 Colt meet FBI minimums on penetration even in snubs so they are still "adequate".
@@Predalien195 I was also referring to that same ammo in 357. It happens to be a good snub defense load, but not in longer barrels. Aside from the 41 mag version which is on steroids, all the other versions are pretty weak. It is curious how they loaded the ammo completely differently for each caliber, especially with the 41 being a handheld nuke.
Well you should be calling bullcrap, probably the best designed bullet out there. This loaded ammo wasn't great, but Double-Tap .327 Federal with this bullet, and Buffalo Bore everything with this bullet, is some of the absolute best rounds out there. I have tested wadcutters, and they are generally only good in .38 Special, bigger calibers tend to overpenetrate.
Because modern tier 2 45 Colt loads can reach 650-750 foot pounds of energy, has rounds that can expand up to 1.7 inches, and can reach momentum and TKO levels 10mm can only dream of. And it has more base surface area to impart damage if you use non-expanding projectiles
10 mm, will outdo the 45 Colt, any day if you reload the 45 Colt to 10 mm pressure 10 mm is designed to work at a much higher pressure so saying that you can easily equal any load that the 45 Colt can come up with
If we are talking rifles I totally agree with you. But if you are talking pistols it is a whole nother ballgame. Who carries a 400 grain bullet in their CCW period also we are talking to the revolver semi-automatic world
For a short time, the 357 Magnum was considered the most powerful handgun cartridge in the world. So no doubt that it would beat the more venerable 45 Colt. But I've also heard that a hot-loaded 45 Colt out of a strong-framed revolver can approach 44 Magnum levels in terms of foot pounds of energy. So this debate may not be over yet.
Definitely the the governor handgun. The chamber is just Too long for the 45 colt to get the full power from the ammunition. You lose A lot of gas pressure from the oversized over length chamber and actually lose speed. Still wouldn’t want to catch any of those projectiles though.
Not really apples to apples comparison. Yes, 357 magnum is more powerful than 45 lc. That said... The 357 had an advantage with the longer barrel. Still good video overall. 👍 Stay safe and healthy. Peace
@GunSam Because... I like apples. Especially Honey Crisp! 😅 Seriously though, overall nice comparison. That said... It would have been nice to see a comparison with a judge with a barrel the same length as the 357. Just saying. 😎
You are weird for asking. In the winter I wear probably 10 layers of various fabric, and that's the entire point. Hollow point ammo can clog the hollow point, that's why various agencies and entities developed the 4 layer of denim test, some now are different with other various factors. So making sure your ammo can go through that, still expand and all of that is important. Why in the word would anyone want to see less fabric, and then hope it performs with more clothing? Personally, I would rather it be over-done so that I know I will get hollow point expansion no matter what.
@@GunSam oh. I live in North Dakota where we see a lot of -10° - -20° F days throughout winter. I usually wear a pair of jeans then sweater and a jacket. I only asked because I was curious as a lot of gel tester seem to do the multi denim layer things.
In other tests it seems revolvers like the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor show considerably lower muzzle velocity than from a "regular" revolver. Seriously - ditch the 45/410 gimmick and use a different revolver.
It's really more of a fun gun to own in my opinion. I have a friend who owns one and I wouldn't consider buying it. I would never consider carrying it either. Even the .410 defense rounds spread too far to be accurate from only 7 yards away.
I don't like the Lead Free Rounds, Lead works all the time. I really like the Semi jacket hollow points from Remington. and Federal. The lead free rounds don't impress me at all, too expensive too.
That Governor is definitely not worth $899 or whatever it’s up to now, and that’s my biggest issue with revolvers, I like them, I feel they are still plenty relevant for different situations, but the prices on these things are ridiculous, unless you get a Taurus or a Rock Island I guess. I found this Colt Single action Army .45LC online which looks like something the Grim Reaper would carry, but I cannot imagine spending $2500 on something that gives me this type of performance, only a 5 round capacity to avoid accidental discharge, and will probably just become eye candy on the wall somewhere😅
The performance of that .45 Colt round was very disappointing! I wonder if it would perform better in a revolver designed only for .45 Colt, and with a longer barrel. Plus, the velocity deviations were all over the place- something was clearly wrong.
@@joshuagibson2520 I think it would be an okay load. It's evident something is off. I did some tests with nickel plated brass VS not nickel plating and more or less proved that the chambers are over sized. So the brass is stretching outward and it's losing pressure. The nickel plating reduced the stretch.
Apples to oranges. The guns should be euqal the 45 colt should preform much better than it did out of that gun. Not saying it would out preform the 357 but it would of done better with a 6" barrel
its a bit of a unfair test cause the .45 has a cylinder made for .410 or something else that size so the bullet looses loads of gas pressure cause its not a tight bore.......If u do this test with a revolver made for .45 colt only u see way way way diffent outcomes..........
I think a more fair comparison of .45 colt and .357 mag / .38 spl would be to get 2 single action army colt revolvers with the same barrel length. The judge is nothing but a belly gun and will not do justice for the .45 colt.
@@GunSam nowadays the standard 45 colt is more powerful than the 357 load. but you can get heavier 357s easier so you can say it can be more powerful than a 45. All around, both are almost the same as effective, one has more shot power and the other is a fatter round. the 357 is better nowadays its more versatile
Same thing here due to cylinder length. I have tested a bunch of Buffalo Bore ammo rated from 4" barrels, and got identical velocity from this revolver.
I have ran so many rounds that are loaded properly that get the exact velocity as rated from 4" barrels. So to sum it up, this Governor IS a .45 Colt revolver, the cylinder throat starts at the case mouth, and whatever you are referring to will not change anything.
That S&W governor repeatedly underperforms. It does indeed seem to the the governor. Test after test. The Taurus judge was a flop until you get to the 6” barrel. Making it entirely too large to carry. Those short barrel 410/45LC and in the governors case with moon clips 410/45lc/45acp is good on paper but a total flop in practical life. I went through this with the judge of many different barrel lengths. Only the 6” actually performed and at that point it’s just a novelty. The charter arms pitbull 45 acp (NO need for moon clips at all) is excellent for my personal needs as a back up. The judge and governor type are great on paper but worthless in real life… even for shooting snakes with 410 snake shot. Total flop.
I have tested a few rounds in standard pressure getting advertised 4" barrel velocity in the Governor, one was 500 FPE. The chambers are a bit oversized to fit .410 shells so you just need to pick the right ammo. It's all about the specific ammo used, so I don't agree it's a flop.
If that is representative of what you would get in a standard 45 revolver it is a pathetic load. It is way under loaded. With that light bullet you should get 900-1000 fps easily.
I'd like to see some tests using 45 colt in the govenor against a dedicated 45 colt revolver, like a single action army. See how different they are.
So of course barrel length will play a role in those tests. Fortunately... I've done a quite a bit of this already. While I don't have the video equipment to film it all I can tell you my findings. Using my Taurus Raging Judge Magnum with a 6 1/2 inch barrel vs a S&W Model 25 with a 6 1/2 inch barrel using the same loads in each which I tested 5 different loads.
Georgia Arms 200gr LRNFP, Georgia Arms 250gr LRNFP, Federal American Eagle 225gr SJSP, Buffalo Bore 225gr SLHP, and lastly Remington 230gr HTP JHP.
The Georgia Arms loads were rated at 750 fps for the 200gr and 725 for the 250gr. The Raging Judge averaged around 820 for the 200gr and 800 for the 250gr. The S&W averaged around 850 for the 200gr and around 830 for the 250gr.
The Federal was rated at 860 fps. In the Raging Judge I averaged 910 fps and in the S&W I averaged 940 fps.
The Buffalo Bore is rated at 1,050 fps. The Raging Judge averaged 1,020 and the S&W averaged 1,060. But I noted that expansion was nearly identical on both with every round fired. Seems a 6 1/2 inch barrel or above doesn't make much of a difference as I test fired from an 18 inch barrel as well.
Lastly the Remington is rated at 850 fps. The Raging Judge averaged 910 fps and the S&W averaged 930 fps.
Between the Remington and the Federal I didn't notice a difference in expansion for the most part between the two guns. Some rounds were partially expanded, others failed, and a few got full or close to full expansion.
As for accuracy I took both guns out to 35 yards maximum. And I will attest I am not the greatest pistol shot out there, group sizes were similar though when running the lead nose Georgia Arms rounds the S&W did group better than the Taurus and was closer to point of aim as was the case with the Buffalo Bore. With the jacketed bullets the Taurus grouped better but still slightly worse than the S&W. That said, both would be considered acceptable groups at that range. When shooting at anything closer such as 25 yard targets or closer the group sizes were tighter with both guns but not more so to lead me to believe one would be more "Accurate" than the other.
If I had tested some hotter loads more akin to +P and such I believe the S&W could have seen much better performance as the cylinder gap and cylinder travel of the Taurus would cause a drop in performance. But with standard pressure ammo and cowboy loads, while there's a difference I don't think it's as significant a s some would have you believe. Of course, every gun varies and this could just be my experience with them but so far whenever I have seen or read about tests comparing such things the results tend to be similar.
@@Predalien195 hmm.... very interesting, I would have really thought the cylinder gap in the judge and governor style of revolvers would have more of an impact on velocity and accuracy. Glad to see it doesn't all that much, thank you for taking the time to address all this. You seem to be very thorough with your findings, it could be good if you invested a bit into filming equipment for youtube. Never know, sounds like it could work for you, god bless from ole Carolina. 👍
You and me both. It might do well from something like my Mountain Gun, at probably 950 fps or so. If it could get 10-12“ of penetration, assuming a little less expansion, it would be viable
Interesting test! The copper rounds have potential. The .357 did well and the expansion of the .45 through the MDF was good. I think if you shot the .45 through a more traditional revolver it might have faired better.
6"barrel would have made it much more effective
Man, I’m jealous. We still haven’t had any legit winter weather here in NE OH.
That being said, I’d like to see Speer come out with a 230 grain Gold Dot designed for .45 Colt and loaded to the full 14,000 psi standard.
Also, bless you for saying that muzzle energy isn’t everything!
Shoutout to the 440
As good as it gets for high interest enthusiasm for subject AND great shooting Sam.
Interesting test it may have been because of the gun or the ammo but the 45 colt seemed a little underwhelming but I'd still like to see 45 colt vs 45 acp
That would be interesting!
I think a 45 Colt beats the 45acp.
It's the gun...this round out of a 5-6 inch barrel (minimum) would have completely different results.
True a 2” barrel compared to a 4” barrel is a non-starter!
Depends on the ammo @@jumpkickman1993
They both look good I tend to use lead bullets Many Thanks !
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I would like to see what kind of damage regular cowboy action shooting rounds do.
Thank you for a great video!
Agree. I would like to see the standard 357 125 gr HP compared to various traditional 45 loads including cowboy loads.
You should add a Ruger Blackhawk convertible .45acp/.45colt to your collection. It would make for a number of interesting comparisons and allow a better representation of 45 colt capabilities.
But that's what you want to see. People need to remember I am not a professional and use my own personal handguns to test. I wanted a Governor for fun and personally would never use a single action to train with.
@@GunSam The new Taurus Deputy is a fairly inexpensive way to get a standard 45 Colt chamber. All the DA 45s I have found are very expensive.
@@GunSam Man don't worry about that mess, you put out some really good videos, good details about Ballistics is why i enjoy your test videos. If Folks want to see longer heavy barrel tests they can always lend you theirs. I do have a request though, i got some Defender 158 grain .357 H P s, i was wanting to know the ballistics out of a 4 inch barrel , can you get these rounds in your area ? They are made in Raeford North Carolina. I'd send you some, but money is real tight this month.
I agree with your assessment completely. I am not thinking that the Governor/Judge get along well with this ammo. They may require a diligent search to find a good load. The same 45 Colt loading performs outstanding in both my 4 3/4 in single action and my 73 Winchester. It is one of the few that doesn't fragment the bullet when shot through the rifle. I am getting 950 fps in the handgun and 1250 fps through the rifle. I was happy to see that the velocity threshold for expansion looks to be right where you were getting. That should mean that I can still expect expansion out to 50yds through my handgun and a 100yds in the rifle. Thank you for your work.
With this ammo it was weird, as other .45 Colt ammo I tested did great. I think it was undersized. I tested some nickel plated brass .45 ACP VS non nickel plating (as I know .45 ACP is like .473" to .476" in a .480 chamber, and with that the brass stuff lost like 300 FPS where the nickel plating lost maybe 150 FPS. So the ammo just has to be of good spec to run right. Also the bullets I recovered from this ammo were like .440 at the base, adding powder blowby. If I had lead ammo in nickel brass, this would be the one to try!
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Not sure I am understanding. Did your chamber throats measure .480? I checked mine with pin gages and they are all .452. Pretty common for 45 Colt fans to check this because different guns have had trouble with it in the past. If they are .480 then that is definitely where your velocity went.
@@brianmoore1164 Not saying I measured chamber throats. Saying you can see the chambers are set for the correct length of .45 Colt as the little taper into the throat is at the end of the .45 Colt Brass length, and .45 Colt is .480" brass size while .45 ACP is less than that.
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Ahhhh, okay, now I got it. .480 sounded like it could have been dangerous. Chamber vs throat blah blah blah. Making sense now.
Ah man..... I cleaned up the yard in shorts a t-shirt and you have on a parka! NC living!
Greating and shooting Sam! Those are impressive rounds. Either onevus effective to stop the threat. I used to have some of the. 357 magnum rounds. Alot the magnum rounds are hard to get a hold of or overpriced on the current market. 🎩☯️♠️🏁☯️
I finally scored a box of these in .357 magnum. A lucky find.
My favorite series from you so far. Loving my Governor, especially with tier 2 45 Colt loads. 650-750 foot pounds of energy is no joke in a 45 Colt.
Edit: Man, that is a low energy 45 Colt round. I've seen cowboy action rounds clock in higher energy.
Yeah. The standard pressure Buffalo Bore I tested was 499 FPE. I don't recall the weight. I plan more Buffalo Bore tests, as well as that Underwood round designed for a Judge or Governor.
@@GunSam Yep, the Maximum Expansion is pretty badass. Gets less than 12 inches of penetration, but creates a giant, nasty wound channel. Keep up the good work. I'll keep watching with great interest.
Do you have a PO Box? I want to send you some SuperVel ammo if you'd want to test it. You tested the 90gr. 38 Spl +P a couple years ago but I'd like to see it put through your new protocol. The original test you did was even before the Jugornaut.
I don't use a PO box. Super Vel was supposed to have sent me some ammo for review and they just never did it.
@@GunSam I would love to see that test too. I just wish I didn't blow my money on other things so I could just send you the money to get the ammunition.
I’m happy carrying my .44 Magnum in a Vanquest Dendrite pack OR one of the kids’ Nintendo Switch Adventure Packs - totally “grey man”, I personally recommend both/either 👍🏻
You are a great TH-cam Sam! Incredible testing as always. I would love love love to see more 410 and 45 colt testing. Preferably some Liberty Civil Defense 45 colt or Double tap. As well as some 410 PDX in more depth. Thank you God bless
Try shooting .410 out of the Guvner into the gel. Might be interesting to test.
I like them both but 357 magnum will forever be my favorite.
Would love to see the effectiveness of the .357 out of a rifle, if you're able, I have a box which was advertised for deer hunting; after watching your vid, I'm not so sure. Great work on your presentations! 👍
Thanks for the vid Sam! You had to go out in the snow to get this one done. I have been interested in those Barnes bullets. In 357 anyway.
I did it all every winter for 10 years on here lol
Great stuff! Merry Christmas :-)
Thank you. Merry Christmas.
Thanks for sharing the video.
I remember reading that air temperature can effect velocity in two ways. First, cold air is more dense, raising barometric pressure and reducing velocity. Second, warmer powder burns faster and hotter, increasing velocity. So all other things being equal, you should have better velocities on warmer days. Do you ever repeat your winter tests in the summer. I just wonder if the difference would be noticeable..
Yes, I have. 80% of the time velocity is a bit higher in winter. Cold affects long range velocity in a rifle, but not at handgun distance. I also did a freezing ammo test. If the ammo was more or less 0 to 20 degrees, velocity dropped 20 FPS. If the ammo was just cold a little, no change.
@@GunSam Interesting. Yeah, the article I read focused on hunting.
@@GunSam If you are storing your ammo in below freezing temps you're doing something wrong 😂 But that is an interesting statistics. Hopefully I'd never have a need to fire my gun when it's below freezing but If I do I'll know to take a couple extra shots.
A friend has the Judge . I like it , I carry a Taurus 431.( if my memory is serving me ) . 5 shot 44 special . Fat and slow no real expansion expected . Yup similar to the 45ACP . Thanks for the information .
What happened to the jug or not box Just wondering I really liked it
Can you test the 9mm version? I did some jug testing and the bullets expand the same at 7yds as they do at 50yds from a 4" barrel.
I thought about it.
Probably a fast burning cheaper powder. The LC sounded similar to acp. Still hit the target and put big holes in sternums.
The .357 is hard to best and unnecessary to beat. If you can deal with the 💥, it’s the 💣! The .357 will do whatever you need it to do in a handgun. But most would perhaps prefer a 38+P. I know I do. Merry Christmas Sam. I’m enjoying your channel.
I'm a big fan of 357 magnum and like being able to fire 38 Special rounds through it
👍👍I apologize if you addressed this in the video but what was the recoil like on the 357. Great test by the way.
I don't think I mentioned it. But recoil was less than most .357 Magnum ammo. It's hard to describe exactly, but maybe sort of like .45 ACP.
Thanks
I've shot 45 colt out of both a 5.5" barrel and an 8" barrel and I can definitely tell you it's a world of difference. 8" barrel had 200fps more velocity but much less recoil. Both on '58 replicas.
I live in a condo and this brings up a good point about home protection. I had a neighbor who we would talk about it and discussed the issue of bullet travel in such an event in an apartment or in a home with adjoining/shared walls... what would be the most effective firearm, giving the optimal power without excess travel? While I am no expert on this subject, I contended that the colt .45 may be the best for such cases; it provides solid stopping power, but because of its muzzle velocity, it may be the one bullet to cause the least amount of unintentional damage should a shot and bullet stray. Of course, this is no guarantee; all shots should be on target, but in a life and death situation, there's likely to be a stray, no doubt. But given the danger of strays, I feel the .45 colt, maybe a 180gr or 200gr lead hollow point may be the best option; good expansion with faster diffused travel through some solid objects. The object is to stop an intruder solidly in his tracks; in this case, I may not want to use a full metal jacket bullet and firearm that's known for high muzzle velocity; especially in a home with neighbors close by. Again, this is just a thought experiment on the subject matter. Let me know what you think.
Any hollow point bullet that strikes a wall, will not expand and simply go through like a full metal jacket. The .45 Colt has quite a bit of mass behind it which could easily penetrate a wall. There's not really any ideal projectiles that penetrate deep enough in an attacker, yet won't penetrate a wall easily unfortunately.
Another interesting video. Thanks for sharing and take care.
in the mid 30s and 40s a 158g 357magnum. would travel at 1500fps. now 140g travel 1200fps. that sucks the high winds. if certain people can't handle the 357magnum or the 357sig. just stay away from it. I love my powerful 357magnum and the 357sig. the way they were meant to be.
I would love to see the 357 ammo shot through your Taurus 605. I know it will lose velocity. But how much? And what difference will it make in the gel?
I think I ran this same ammo in it before, but with water jugs.
@@GunSam I'll look for that video. Although I'm not sure how comparable the water jugs are to ballistic gel.
please make comparison with revolvers with the same barrel length
Interesting Sam. Do you see much difference between hex and standard barrels regarding gas loss? Zero gas loss should make a gun a lot more accurate when changing weights. Thanks. Try not to freeze solid out there.
I always wondered if the judge/governor had any performance effect on 45 colt. Seems the chambers are more for 410.
It's chambered for .45 Colt, and some other standard .45 Colt ammo I tested gave me 500 ft lbs. I don't know what the deal was with this particular ammo.
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As always good video!!!!
Cool video thanks.
Interesting test. I've got a governor that I bought right before the, um, current health crisis so I've never shot it due to the shortage and expense of ammo. Thanks for spending money !
i'd like to see tests using a heavy black powder load of .45 colt (40 grains of 3f, 250 grain lead flatpoint) it generates more energy than .357 magnum (with lower velocity)
Great video as usual. I guess I won’t be loading any for my Taurus judge
Would this test have come out differently if both barrel length were the same?
Have you ever tested the Buffalo bore 38 special +P Hard cast Keith? It’s a 158 grain hard cast that’s suppose to have velocity of 1,250fps out of a six inch barrel? I want to see if it really gets 1250 FPS out of a six inch barrel. Also the Barnes 357 magnum load you tested in this video is one of the most accurate loads my revolver shoots, I shoot it out of a 6inch barrel and 357, It’s also one of the few rounds available right now. But I have tested it in the past years and It performed very well Great uniform expansion 4 water jugs stopped in jug number 4 when I tested it.
“A total damage path of 6 and a half…”
“It was cold out, ok!”
Barnes tac xp 125 grain 357 loaded to 1600 fps out of a 6”… let’s just say it’s an awesome round construction even at super high impact velocity. 100% retention and full expansion
Clearly, velocity is important with that 45lc round.
Great video.
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Maybe Santa will bring you a regular (hopefully double action!) .45 Colt to run some of your test ammo through? Maybe?
BTW, I'd be real interested to see you chrono and test a carbine or two. A .357 Marlin M-1894 lever gun, for example? I wonder what a light for caliber (110 gr, 125 gr) .357 going close to 2000 fps would do in gel? Fragment? Blow clean through?
Paul H shot a meat target with a 125 gr WW JSP and it mushroomed impressively out of a Marlin...
I just bought a few boxes of the Vor-tx, I have wanted to see the tac-xpd or try it but have not been able to find it. 125 grain, so maybe a nice low recoil load. If you can get your hands on some would be great to see a test.
Ide love to see this ammo chronographed in these
Hey Sam was wondering if you tested out the 44 magnum buffalo bore 180 grain anti personell hardcast hollowpoints if not I would be more than happy to send a box for you to test for a video.
I was debating ordering some of that ammo next week. The issue is I prefer comparison videos and I can't seen to find anything comparable. Knowing someone actually wants to see that ammo I will just do something like a random 10mm Buffalo Bore or something, with the excuse 10mm don't come in lead hollow points.
@@GunSam yeah I understand and the 44 special version was good so I'm hoping if you ever do a video on it that it will be even better
@@anthonymartinez3084 I think I have tested the .44 Special. Just not the magnum. I decided to just do that .44 Mag VS a 180 gr JHP 10mm. The boxes both say Buffalo Bore, people won't complain
Don’t forget your going to lose velocity in colder weather conditions. The 357 Mag test didn’t surprise me at all. I bet it would be right at rated velocity in warmer conditions
Always enjoy your videos and my wallet thanks you every time you pull out the Governor I had toyed with the idea of getting a Governor or Judge a long time, but I am over that now. Not that they would not be fun to have just no real suppose for me personally to justify buying one.
I think ultimately it will come down to if you like weird things. Like I hear the Underwood Maximum Expansion is a load designed specifically for the Governor or Judge. It's .45 Colt but won't chamber in a normal .45 Colt revolver, only in the shotgun revolvers and I think it will in .460 Mag revolvers too. I hear it's quite intense. I will be buying some next week.
357 for the win again. 💪 new subscriber from west kentucky.
Is there any special reason you used that S&W Governor and not a S&W Mod. 25 ? or any other .45 (Ruger) ?
Was really hoping to see a good 45lc for my Taurus Judge poly. So I'm good with my 45lc and .357 rounds. Thanks GS
There can be some good loads. So far Buffalo Bore lead was great.
45 wadcutters or wfn wreck house.
Very interesting! Question: I have a 45lc revolver but it doesn't shoot .410, so the cylinder is much smaller. How would that impact performance, in your estimation?
Shouldn't be any real difference. The .45 Colt is the bigger cartridge and .410 is smaller, so my revolver here is basically like any other except the cylinder throats are longer. Looking at all the Buffalo Bore ammo I have tested in this S&W Governor, it's spot on to the same velocity all their ammo gets in a 4" S&W model 625 in .45 Colt.
@@GunSam awesome, thanks a ton! 👍
Interesting. I would have expected the 45 to get 900- ish fps. No doubt the generous chambers and long cylinder are having an effect. If it could have gotten 10-12" of penetration, assuming a little less expansion, it would be a viable load. The 357 should do well, and probably has modest recoil in its class. Good test
Do you ever test any home reloads?
Reloaders can customize rounds to be more effective than factory and eventually this would give you years more of content to provide. Something to think about if you don't already do this.
I have, but the only ones were .32 H&R and .38 Special with XTP's. I had single digit velocity spreads and more energy than factory, but the downside is they were XTP bullets and didn't expand well. But loaded with other bullets the velocity isn't as high as with XTP's.
Maybe the Governor is intended to be how possibly less lethal and more focused for self defence rather than a 357 which could be for a more intence fight
these were the resulted I expected and was hoping for, actually. I have a .45lc with a short barrel and I don't want it to go right through a person, just into them. Maybe not the best ooutlook, but to be fair, it's my backup edc. So, it's there if it's more convenient to draw and if I'm at a close distance (and I can't tell you how much I never want to be in a gunfight or any situation where I need to draw my firearm)....or, if for some reason, 15 rounds of 9mm don't do the trick and I foolishly decide "let's see what I can do with 5 rounds from a snubnose" 😂
It's also a Titanium gun, with some steel parts, so it's ultralight... but it's got a ported barrel, that makes it (not even kidding) as easy to fire as my 9mm. 🤷♂️
it's also like the Marty Robbins song Mr Shorty.... 17" of flame from the muzzel and the ported barrel makes it look like a dragster 😂 another couple inches of flame from all 6 portholes
The VOR-TX in .45 Colt is definitely meant for a longer barrel. I've tried it out in my 6 1/2 inch Raging Judge as well as a S&W Model 25 with a 6 1/2 inch barrel. Expansion is excellent but the penetration gets better with the longer barrel compared to the Governor. I would wager the .357 is no different.
The 357 expands more slowly and penetrates further in a snub nose. It seems to be good at 4"-6" and better with a snub or rifle
@@bobjohnson1633 I was referring to the round in question. The VOR-TX ammunition is intended for hunting purposes so, in typical hunting revolver lengths or carbines it's going to do well which was my point. In snub barrels, it's not going expand properly but both the .357 and .45 Colt meet FBI minimums on penetration even in snubs so they are still "adequate".
@@Predalien195 I was also referring to that same ammo in 357. It happens to be a good snub defense load, but not in longer barrels. Aside from the 41 mag version which is on steroids, all the other versions are pretty weak. It is curious how they loaded the ammo completely differently for each caliber, especially with the 41 being a handheld nuke.
Have you tested wadcutters vs fancy bullcrap like this?
Well you should be calling bullcrap, probably the best designed bullet out there. This loaded ammo wasn't great, but Double-Tap .327 Federal with this bullet, and Buffalo Bore everything with this bullet, is some of the absolute best rounds out there. I have tested wadcutters, and they are generally only good in .38 Special, bigger calibers tend to overpenetrate.
I love how you had the board between ballistic gels on some and not others. Unreliable test!!
This is why I don't like dots ( one of many reasons ) X 2 for 10mm Night Sights are way better start at 13:55 th-cam.com/video/iugf76rPm3c/w-d-xo.html
Hard to beat the tried-and-true 357 Magnum, why even risk it with the 45 Colt and the judge combination. Can't beat the best mm, that 10 mm
Because modern tier 2 45 Colt loads can reach 650-750 foot pounds of energy, has rounds that can expand up to 1.7 inches, and can reach momentum and TKO levels 10mm can only dream of. And it has more base surface area to impart damage if you use non-expanding projectiles
10 mm, will outdo the 45 Colt, any day if you reload the 45 Colt to 10 mm pressure 10 mm is designed to work at a much higher pressure so saying that you can easily equal any load that the 45 Colt can come up with
@@joelclark2130 Not really. There are 45 Colt loads at 1200 Foot pounds of energy, with 400+ grain projectiles. 10mm cannot do that.
If we are talking rifles I totally agree with you. But if you are talking pistols it is a whole nother ballgame. Who carries a 400 grain bullet in their CCW period also we are talking to the revolver semi-automatic world
@@joelclark2130 I have for a trail gun while hiking. They tend to do best with grizzlies over anything 10mm has to offer.
For a short time, the 357 Magnum was considered the most powerful handgun cartridge in the world. So no doubt that it would beat the more venerable 45 Colt. But I've also heard that a hot-loaded 45 Colt out of a strong-framed revolver can approach 44 Magnum levels in terms of foot pounds of energy. So this debate may not be over yet.
That is a very anemic round for the .45 Colt. Try a 285gr at 975fps, the results will be much different, and that is a 14Kpsi regular load.
Definitely the the governor handgun.
The chamber is just Too long for the 45 colt to get the full power from the ammunition. You lose A lot of gas pressure from the oversized over length chamber and actually lose speed.
Still wouldn’t want to catch any of those projectiles though.
Everything you just said, is false.
thought we were boycotting s&w for the chop job on Thompson
Very good, but I must protest, you need the same length barrel to get this right, I would find a 45 Colt with a 4 inch barrel to make it real.
Lol. The whole point is to see the different loads for the Governor to see how they perform.
Not really apples to apples comparison.
Yes, 357 magnum is more powerful than 45 lc.
That said...
The 357 had an advantage with the longer barrel.
Still good video overall. 👍
Stay safe and healthy.
Peace
Why do things always need to be 'apples to apples'?
@GunSam
Because...
I like apples. Especially Honey Crisp! 😅
Seriously though, overall nice comparison.
That said... It would have been nice to see a comparison with a judge with a barrel the same length as the 357.
Just saying. 😎
Why so many layers of denim? How many pairs of jeans are all of you wearing l?
Am I weird for only wearing one?
You are weird for asking. In the winter I wear probably 10 layers of various fabric, and that's the entire point. Hollow point ammo can clog the hollow point, that's why various agencies and entities developed the 4 layer of denim test, some now are different with other various factors. So making sure your ammo can go through that, still expand and all of that is important. Why in the word would anyone want to see less fabric, and then hope it performs with more clothing? Personally, I would rather it be over-done so that I know I will get hollow point expansion no matter what.
@@GunSam oh. I live in North Dakota where we see a lot of -10° - -20° F days throughout winter. I usually wear a pair of jeans then sweater and a jacket.
I only asked because I was curious as a lot of gel tester seem to do the multi denim layer things.
@@GunSam wasn't trying to insult....
@@GunSam 10 layers? Where do you live, Antarctica?
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In other tests it seems revolvers like the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor show considerably lower muzzle velocity than from a "regular" revolver. Seriously - ditch the 45/410 gimmick and use a different revolver.
It's really more of a fun gun to own in my opinion. I have a friend who owns one and I wouldn't consider buying it. I would never consider carrying it either. Even the .410 defense rounds spread too far to be accurate from only 7 yards away.
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I don't like the Lead Free Rounds, Lead works all the time. I really like the Semi jacket hollow points from Remington. and Federal. The lead free rounds don't impress me at all, too expensive too.
I think it's losing a lot of gas through the cylinder but not positive
That Governor is definitely not worth $899 or whatever it’s up to now, and that’s my biggest issue with revolvers, I like them, I feel they are still plenty relevant for different situations, but the prices on these things are ridiculous, unless you get a Taurus or a Rock Island I guess.
I found this Colt Single action Army .45LC online which looks like something the Grim Reaper would carry, but I cannot imagine spending $2500 on something that gives me this type of performance, only a 5 round capacity to avoid accidental discharge, and will probably just become eye candy on the wall somewhere😅
The performance of that .45 Colt round was very disappointing! I wonder if it would perform better in a revolver designed only for .45 Colt, and with a longer barrel. Plus, the velocity deviations were all over the place- something was clearly wrong.
Lot of travel before that bullet actually enters the barrel. I'd imagine in that process it would lose some pressure out of the cylinder as well.
I'm gonna guess 45 colt wins. 357 is easier to get in my neck of the woods though.
Edit. Maybe not. That's a really light load of 45 compared to others. I understand you're trying to level the playing field though.
@@joshuagibson2520 I think it would be an okay load. It's evident something is off. I did some tests with nickel plated brass VS not nickel plating and more or less proved that the chambers are over sized. So the brass is stretching outward and it's losing pressure. The nickel plating reduced the stretch.
@@GunSam always a great video from you regardless. I'm grateful for all the data you share with us. It's truly a great service to us all. Carry on!
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357 looks promising but the 45 is very poor.
Big hollow points are supposed to slow down and stop
Apples to oranges. The guns should be euqal the 45 colt should preform much better than it did out of that gun. Not saying it would out preform the 357 but it would of done better with a 6" barrel
45 Colt loaded to full potential is more gun than the 44 magnum, let alone the 357 magnum.
its a bit of a unfair test cause the .45 has a cylinder made for .410 or something else that size so the bullet looses loads of gas pressure cause its not a tight bore.......If u do this test with a revolver made for .45 colt only u see way way way diffent outcomes..........
I think a more fair comparison of .45 colt and .357 mag / .38 spl would be to get 2 single action army colt revolvers with the same barrel length. The judge is nothing but a belly gun and will not do justice for the .45 colt.
You shot the 45 slot more accurate though
Which is better ?lol.
Bro get a 5.5 inch gun or even a 4 5/8 to test the 45 colt.
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@@GunSam nowadays the standard 45 colt is more powerful than the 357 load. but you can get heavier 357s easier so you can say it can be more powerful than a 45. All around, both are almost the same as effective, one has more shot power and the other is a fatter round. the 357 is better nowadays its more versatile
Give the 45 cot 4 inch barrel
Same thing here due to cylinder length. I have tested a bunch of Buffalo Bore ammo rated from 4" barrels, and got identical velocity from this revolver.
Really a fan of your channel, but I think the .45 Colt would perform way better in a real .45 Colt revolver. Please re-test, if possible.
I have ran so many rounds that are loaded properly that get the exact velocity as rated from 4" barrels. So to sum it up, this Governor IS a .45 Colt revolver, the cylinder throat starts at the case mouth, and whatever you are referring to will not change anything.
incorrect test. You should use revolvers with the same lenght like 6 inch.
357 magnum is the winner
God those 45 colt rounds are horrific iv seen 45 colt beat 357 in penetration from alot of different rounds and guns, but thease 45s suck bad.
Using hollow points will slow your fps.
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That S&W governor repeatedly underperforms.
It does indeed seem to the the governor. Test after test.
The Taurus judge was a flop until you get to the 6” barrel. Making it entirely too large to carry. Those short barrel 410/45LC and in the governors case with moon clips 410/45lc/45acp is good on paper but a total flop in practical life.
I went through this with the judge of many different barrel lengths. Only the 6” actually performed and at that point it’s just a novelty.
The charter arms pitbull 45 acp (NO need for moon clips at all) is excellent for my personal needs as a back up. The judge and governor type are great on paper but worthless in real life… even for shooting snakes with 410 snake shot. Total flop.
I have tested a few rounds in standard pressure getting advertised 4" barrel velocity in the Governor, one was 500 FPE. The chambers are a bit oversized to fit .410 shells so you just need to pick the right ammo. It's all about the specific ammo used, so I don't agree it's a flop.
If that is representative of what you would get in a standard 45 revolver it is a pathetic load. It is way under loaded. With that light bullet you should get 900-1000 fps easily.