Multiple attackers is a problem if you're striking as well as grappling. Everything that challenges the grappler, challenges the striker. If the opponent has a weapon, crowded area, stairs, multiple attackers. The point remains that to strike someone you must close the distance and if the grappler can get a hold of you. No more patti cake, you're in real trouble.
It would be nice to have a full course with Alex Kask. His interpretation of Japanese Ju-Jitsu seems to be more realistic than other forms of classical JJJ. Possible idea for another section of the BJJ Master app!
It’s pronounced “juujutsu” 柔術(じゅうじゅつ). When the Brazilians adopted it and made it their own, they pronounced it “jujitsu”. Japanese jūjutsu. Brazilian jujitsu.
Classical Jujutsu has always been dirty like he describes. This is not his philosophy inherently. This is literally the concept that every Japanese person has remember when they trained in Koryu styles of Jujutsu before Judo came around
They are similar but not same. Zanshin is a state of constant awareness, while Mushin is state of not thinking, but acting on instincts. The way my teacher explained it is Zanshin is what you use when you are not in combat, Mushin is what you use while you are in combat.
Bjj definitely improved my averness. If you are no looking around it is like 30 seconds to get git in the head because the room is crowded with people who are rolling
There is a difference between randori which is chaos, and multiple attackers Jiu-Waza which is usually done one at a time or as a learning method prior to randori.
Traditional Japanese Jujutsu was always dirty as it was a warfare martial art and Jirgiro Kano (founder of Judo) said that when he trained in Jujutsu, every style he witnessed and trained in we’re all people fighting, dirty, and people got hurt during their training very easily. Judo was intended to make training safer and more structural. Doesn’t make Jujutsu less effective by any means. Now, yes, some styles only train in kata, but that’s not the majority. People take kata and demonstration videos and go “Oh! That’s all they do to train!”. No. Just no. Completely untrue. There is more evidence that they do spar and randori these days. People will use sheer ignorance to make their bias opinions sound credible. And it’s part of the reason why old school martial arts have a bad reputation these days.
When did they start saying there is "randori" in aikido? I only ever heard the word associated with Tomiki style (their randori a scenario heavily restricted by rules) until recently, and now everyone seems to be saying it. What are they talking about? Aikido has, however, always since I can remember (from the early 70s, initially with Kazuo Chiba and John Cornish, both experienced judoists) had "jiyu-waza" free style techniques to nurture flow. Alex opines the offering of a cue to attack in a particular manner as disingenuous when aikidoists claim it as real world defense... yes, that is how trainees are usually taught, but there is a lot more to it than that. Jiyu-waza can only be done in earnest by experienced trainees who know how close to the edge they can go without incurring unnecessary injury. The offered cues need to be understood as openings, necessary for beginners, but which may, or may not, be accepted with more experienced trainees. In time the cues become subtler to the point of being undetectable. The formal types of attacks associated with basic aikido training (which outsiders tend to ridicule as absurd for the real world) eventually vary into anything goes as the jiyu-waza become less and less rehearsed ... [a lot more yawn worthy pontificating deleted]... yet another interesting video from Stephan Kesting and knowledgeable guest, thank you!
I've a shodan in JJJ, took me 17 years. I guess where you train is different, we've always trained multiple attackers with gloves and head-guards, pretty much anything goes. Then I see some places where there's no real live full contact striking/clinching/grappling or newaza.
@@davidcrawford8583 its mma obviously, jap jitsu has no sparring, its practiced via kata,what you are doing is a combination of different styles made up in more recent times like almost all jj outside Japan.
@@scarred10 It’s not MMA. It’s a Japanese style of Jujutsu. Japanese Jujutsu is not just practice through kata. That is a common misconception made up by a lot of people over the years. In fact, during Jigiro Kano’s time when he trained and those styles of Jujutsu before he created Judo, Jujutsu styles were like rough and tumble. They were violent, aggressive and dirty. And he states this in his notes. They sparred, randori and more. The problem was people got hurt during them and they didn’t consider the safety of their students. Judo was made to fixed that issue. Jujutsu was a military art and was used successfully on the battlefield. The samurai would not have bothered to practice this style if it wasn’t effective and tdidn’t spar.
Excellent!!! Please release a 5 or 10 dvd set on these topics mentioned in this video. You would be going against the grain :) Unfortunately, bjj is loosing it's self defense applications.
Well, at GJJ and places like Javi and Relson guys seem to be teaching it still. But yeah, most places cater to comps that not even 10% of their students will ever enter vs self defense which is listed on every bjj website and the reason most people start training.
BJJ isn't "loosing (sic) it's (sic) self defense applications." Quit repeating the Gracie marketing pitch. If you have a purple belt in BJJ and can't defend yourself, that's on you. You are an enormous sissy.
profd65 Lol No Gracie sales pitch. Just a fact. Maybe you can't tell the difference between competition & self defense applications . That's on you. Go ahead , pull guard in a street in a street fight and see what happens. Do your own research.
+profd65 budo jake did not even know WB escape from standing choke as a black belt. Most schools do not teach SD at all. I know for a fact Marcelo's doesn't, I trained there. Gracie gym's actually do train for self defense. It is not gracie marketing pitch, it is from actually checking out schools and doing some training.
I enjoyed this its kool to see a bjj dude talk to a koryu dude^^ i think its kool cuz bjj comes from kano-jujutsu aka judo and judo was created from koryu Jujutsu^^ also the bjj dude is 100%correct about the tantou^^ this was an awesome!!!!!! Vid^^👊 #reihou ohh ya reihou=respect^^
As always BJJ remains a sport. JJJ is the real thing. BJJ is very poor at defense against multiple opponents no weapons defense, and grappling on the floor means suffering to an opponent who conceals a weapons . Now numerous are realising how very poor BJJ is.....
Lol, I've forgotten more than you know, idiot. All of this stuff comes from the same source: Samurai fighting techniques. Aikido came from Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu. 90% of Aikido's techniques derive from Daito-ryu. But go ahead and keep thinking that "Japanese jiu-jitsu" is something different, more manly, and more credible than Aikido.
profd65 dude Japanese JJ =>Judo => BJJ Aikido is a different story, jiu jitsu was around for a thousand years before it. Japanese jiu jitsu might be old fashioned and not so good nowadays but it's the origin of BJJ we all know and love, while aikido is basically... disarming a guy with a katana.
@Plaaiz o I know the lineage. I also know that 90% of Aikido techniques are identical/almost identical to techniques that are in Daito-ryu. This is fact, not opinion. I actually don't have a problem with Aikido or Japanese jiu-jitsu. The only thing that's lame about either one of them is how they're trained: if you're not training full speed against a fully resisting opponent--as is the case in BJJ, judo, and wrestling--your results will be poor. But it's difficult or impossible to train something like Aikido or JJJ full speed, full resistance without having a ton of injuries. No, what I have a problem with is the endless verbal rag-dolling of Aikido by persons who pretend that slop like JJJ and Krav Maga is any better.
Our teacher also teach us how to combat and how to practise.
Greets from traditional Japanese Jujitsu, North Sumatra.
Multiple attackers is a problem if you're striking as well as grappling. Everything that challenges the grappler, challenges the striker. If the opponent has a weapon, crowded area, stairs, multiple attackers. The point remains that to strike someone you must close the distance and if the grappler can get a hold of you. No more patti cake, you're in real trouble.
If you are on your feet you can run if the opportunity presents itself. You can't do that as easily when grappling on the ground.
It would be nice to have a full course with Alex Kask. His interpretation of Japanese Ju-Jitsu seems to be more realistic than other forms of classical JJJ. Possible idea for another section of the BJJ Master app!
It’s pronounced “juujutsu” 柔術(じゅうじゅつ). When the Brazilians adopted it and made it their own, they pronounced it “jujitsu”.
Japanese jūjutsu. Brazilian jujitsu.
Classical Jujutsu has always been dirty like he describes. This is not his philosophy inherently. This is literally the concept that every Japanese person has remember when they trained in Koryu styles of Jujutsu before Judo came around
Wow. That part about the femoral artery/leglock was really fascinating.
Just FYI no mind is "Mushin," remaining mind is "Zanshin."
They are similar but not same. Zanshin is a state of constant awareness, while Mushin is state of not thinking, but acting on instincts. The way my teacher explained it is Zanshin is what you use when you are not in combat, Mushin is what you use while you are in combat.
Bjj definitely improved my averness. If you are no looking around it is like 30 seconds to get git in the head because the room is crowded with people who are rolling
There is a difference between randori which is chaos, and multiple attackers Jiu-Waza which is usually done one at a time or as a learning method prior to randori.
Thank you !!!
Your reality is an antidote for pride.
Traditional Japanese Jujutsu was always dirty as it was a warfare martial art and Jirgiro Kano (founder of Judo) said that when he trained in Jujutsu, every style he witnessed and trained in we’re all people fighting, dirty, and people got hurt during their training very easily. Judo was intended to make training safer and more structural. Doesn’t make Jujutsu less effective by any means. Now, yes, some styles only train in kata, but that’s not the majority. People take kata and demonstration videos and go “Oh! That’s all they do to train!”. No. Just no. Completely untrue. There is more evidence that they do spar and randori these days. People will use sheer ignorance to make their bias opinions sound credible. And it’s part of the reason why old school martial arts have a bad reputation these days.
Funny what is old is becoming new - LOL
Zanshin!
Sho-gun would get into hira no kamae a form of zanshin not sure if it was consciously. This was an awesome discussion.
Thank you for that conversation
Very good conversation 🙏
When did they start saying there is "randori" in aikido? I only ever heard the word associated with Tomiki style (their randori a scenario heavily restricted by rules) until recently, and now everyone seems to be saying it. What are they talking about? Aikido has, however, always since I can remember (from the early 70s, initially with Kazuo Chiba and John Cornish, both experienced judoists) had "jiyu-waza" free style techniques to nurture flow. Alex opines the offering of a cue to attack in a particular manner as disingenuous when aikidoists claim it as real world defense... yes, that is how trainees are usually taught, but there is a lot more to it than that. Jiyu-waza can only be done in earnest by experienced trainees who know how close to the edge they can go without incurring unnecessary injury. The offered cues need to be understood as openings, necessary for beginners, but which may, or may not, be accepted with more experienced trainees. In time the cues become subtler to the point of being undetectable. The formal types of attacks associated with basic aikido training (which outsiders tend to ridicule as absurd for the real world) eventually vary into anything goes as the jiyu-waza become less and less rehearsed ... [a lot more yawn worthy pontificating deleted]... yet another interesting video from Stephan Kesting and knowledgeable guest, thank you!
I've a shodan in JJJ, took me 17 years. I guess where you train is different, we've always trained multiple attackers with gloves and head-guards, pretty much anything goes. Then I see some places where there's no real live full contact striking/clinching/grappling or newaza.
If you are doing that its correct but not jap jitsu
@@scarred10 enlighten me, what do I practise?
@@davidcrawford8583 its mma obviously, jap jitsu has no sparring, its practiced via kata,what you are doing is a combination of different styles made up in more recent times like almost all jj outside Japan.
@@scarred10 It’s not MMA. It’s a Japanese style of Jujutsu. Japanese Jujutsu is not just practice through kata. That is a common misconception made up by a lot of people over the years. In fact, during Jigiro Kano’s time when he trained and those styles of Jujutsu before he created Judo, Jujutsu styles were like rough and tumble. They were violent, aggressive and dirty. And he states this in his notes. They sparred, randori and more. The problem was people got hurt during them and they didn’t consider the safety of their students. Judo was made to fixed that issue. Jujutsu was a military art and was used successfully on the battlefield. The samurai would not have bothered to practice this style if it wasn’t effective and tdidn’t spar.
Excellent!!!
Please release a 5 or 10 dvd set on these topics mentioned in this video. You would be going against the grain :)
Unfortunately, bjj is loosing it's self defense applications.
Well, at GJJ and places like Javi and Relson guys seem to be teaching it still. But yeah, most places cater to comps that not even 10% of their students will ever enter vs self defense which is listed on every bjj website and the reason most people start training.
BJJ isn't "loosing (sic) it's (sic) self defense applications."
Quit repeating the Gracie marketing pitch.
If you have a purple belt in BJJ and can't defend yourself, that's on you. You are an enormous sissy.
profd65
Lol
No Gracie sales pitch. Just a fact. Maybe you can't tell the difference between competition & self defense applications . That's on you. Go ahead , pull guard in a street in a street fight and see what happens.
Do your own research.
@J. Angel
If you're dumb enough to pull guard in a street fight, you deserve to take a beating.
Certain things go without saying.
+profd65 budo jake did not even know WB escape from standing choke as a black belt. Most schools do not teach SD at all. I know for a fact Marcelo's doesn't, I trained there. Gracie gym's actually do train for self defense. It is not gracie marketing pitch, it is from actually checking out schools and doing some training.
I was hoping this was going to be a gracie vs tma showdown.
That wouldn't be much of a fight. We already know that.
I enjoyed this its kool to see a bjj dude talk to a koryu dude^^ i think its kool cuz bjj comes from kano-jujutsu aka judo and judo was created from koryu Jujutsu^^ also the bjj dude is 100%correct about the tantou^^ this was an awesome!!!!!! Vid^^👊 #reihou ohh ya reihou=respect^^
Great discussion! I studied Kindai Ryu Jiu Jitsu many moons ago.
Mu Shin is no mind
...or you're fighting a Diaz.
Hahaha this comment needs more likes and awareness. Actually LOL'd
That was a Systema video he was talking about.
This should be in the 2nd channel...
Nice
As always BJJ remains a sport. JJJ is the real thing. BJJ is very poor at defense against multiple opponents no weapons defense, and grappling on the floor means suffering to an opponent who
conceals a weapons . Now numerous are realising how very poor BJJ is.....
Brother Alex, shave the head and grow a beard/ scruff, it will be much more suiting to your face. - a blue belt bro
This is what happens when you're struggling for content to air on your channel. smh
It's funny how Aikido is the butt of constant jokes on this channel, but this Japanese jiu-jitsu snake oil is taken seriously.
profd65 One was developed and tested during wartime, one was not. You seem pretty ignorant.
Lol, I've forgotten more than you know, idiot. All of this stuff comes from the same source: Samurai fighting techniques. Aikido came from Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu. 90% of Aikido's techniques derive from Daito-ryu.
But go ahead and keep thinking that "Japanese jiu-jitsu" is something different, more manly, and more credible than Aikido.
profd65 dude
Japanese JJ =>Judo => BJJ
Aikido is a different story, jiu jitsu was around for a thousand years before it. Japanese jiu jitsu might be old fashioned and not so good nowadays but it's the origin of BJJ we all know and love, while aikido is basically... disarming a guy with a katana.
@Plaaiz o
I know the lineage. I also know that 90% of Aikido techniques are identical/almost identical to techniques that are in Daito-ryu. This is fact, not opinion.
I actually don't have a problem with Aikido or Japanese jiu-jitsu. The only thing that's lame about either one of them is how they're trained: if you're not training full speed against a fully resisting opponent--as is the case in BJJ, judo, and wrestling--your results will be poor. But it's difficult or impossible to train something like Aikido or JJJ full speed, full resistance without having a ton of injuries.
No, what I have a problem with is the endless verbal rag-dolling of Aikido by persons who pretend that slop like JJJ and Krav Maga is any better.
profd65 ok I get your point, can't disagree with that