Why Google helps other search engines compete
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We thought Google had already won. Almost a monopoly that couldn't meaningfully be challenged anymore. And yet DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, Startpage, Qwant and many more have risen to take on the behemoth. - The Story Behind - Episode 62
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I use Ecosia and with the money from my searches they could already plant 82 trees. Not bad. But I'm still coming back to Google for important things from time to time because the results honestly are noticeable better.
Yeah I use them for anything that isn't all too specific, but if I'm trying to find something specific they often don't work as well and I just use Google instead. I guess startpage would be better though.
Same here. Do you know that #g-shortcut?
@@bspringer Yes I know it and I'm really glad they added that feature
@@MathiasBacher I'd look into using startpage instead since it uses Google search results.
@@unpaintedcanvas I know but I mainly use Ecosia because of its good cause and its transparency
So everyone here thought he said sixty second instead of 62nd
Yeah lol. When He said that I moved my mouse to check the video length. "Bitch this video is 12 minutes and 40 seconds lon... oh, right, 62nd video."
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the subliminal message to kill bunnies are real...
*is real
Easter is coming
Wow that's a real grim subliminal message, commander keen
ss? nazi bunnies
i knew it
The themes(dark mode), multiple settings, and bangs are some of the biggest examples the like Chrome Google has stopped innovating in search. Those are also what makes DDG a very Enthusiast friendly platform.
I am using DuckDuckGo for almost 2 years now. And I never feel need to switch to Google search. I am programmer and I do search technical queries a lot. In fact I can select country wise result in DuckDuckGo, which is super useful.
Gonna go with Ecosia from now on. Thanks for putting them on my radar!
I think I'm gonna use Ecosia now !
Okay ignore that below, just use #g at the end of a search query when you want to use google
Keep a shortcut for google nearby, that way you can quickly switch to google if you can't find it and use Ecosia for the rest instead of switching back to google all together when it doesn't work as well a few times. I just activated the bookmark toolbar in Firefox and it works great.
Fais le ! Je l'utilise depuis plus d'un an maintenant et crois moi que tu ressentira la différence qu'au début de la transition, maintenant j'arrive plus à utiliser Google.
PS : si tu trouves les résultats pas trop cohérents en cherchant des trucs en francais change la région pour "France" depuis les paramètres d'ecosia.
@@jadoei13 looks like someone really likes that trick :)
On that note: there are a lot more of these shortcuts though #g is the only one I remember. I think there are ones like #yt for, well, TH-cam and some other not so obvious but still cool ones
@@jadoei13 ecosia.zendesk.com/hc/de/articles/201657321-Was-sind-Search-Tags-
Sry it's German because I'm from Germany so they gave me that website
@@jadoei13 you may want to consider using startpage if you are not sure why watch the video again!
You are still crushing it! High quality as always! Loving your video's for a long time so keep going. Greetings from the neighbors (Netherlands)
Thanks, glad you like the videos!
I've wondered how (what i thought was) a small company could create the same service as the bigger search engines without large server farms everywhere.
Now i know: they didn't, they just act as an intermediary. That explains why their search results look so similar to others.
Just a correction : Qwant use its own crawlers and index engine. It used Bing's search results from 2013 to 2014.
I'm happy to use Microsoft's Bing, I love it search results been more relevant to me more than google ever did.
How much do you get paid to use it? I'm interested
But it's got such a lame name, and the design has always been terrible.
Just recently discovered your channel and I'm already a fan. Informative, entertaining, and pretty relaxing lol
I've binge-watched all episodes half year ago, and since then every video is a small surprise. Very high quality content!
I've been using ecosia since a year and few months, majority of my searching are on French language and I feel that ecosia results getting better and better, I got used to their results provided by Bing.
Really I love their concept and hope that they'll grow more and more.
Ecosia 💚
Might be worthy to note, Qwant does have an independant index and uses Bing only for images (which require a big storage capacity) and searches where it lacks relevance.
Original Title: Why there are SO MANY new search engines again .XD
I miss HotBot; that was my go-to before Google came along. Now I use DDG. I used IE until 2008 when Chrome came along. Now I use Firefox. Google was good for a while in the early 2000's, and stole away a lot of users from other places, but then they got corrupted and turned evil, and people are stuck in their evil grasp. :-\
It has returned though. Second title "why google support other search engines" or something like that
why does google want competition
Lol it's pretty funny reading this comment because he changed it back
Edit: ok cool he changed it back yet again lol
why does he keep changing it ?
9:26 Nice! I'm the 0.5% because I use a windows phone
high five bro
my workphone is a windows phone
wish i could still use my windows phone
Trying to use ecosia as much as possible but i still have to use google from time to time. It's still the most efficient.
You could start using Startpage as a fallback instead of Google, it's more of less the same results. :)
Apologies if you’re already aware, but you can use the #g shortcut at the end of your search result on ecosia to use google for that specific result instead! It’s pretty convenient when you want a google result
i love your channel mate, clearly one of the best channels on TH-cam
Startpage recently has been silently sold to an ad company called "System1".
Last year, Startpage announced an investment in Startpage by System1 through Privacy One Group, a wholly-owned subsidiary of System1. With this investment, we hope to further expand our privacy features & reach new users. Rest assured, the Startpage founders have control over the privacy components of Startpage. And! Starpage continues to be HQ'ed in the Netherlands - meaning we continue to comply with EU & Dutch privacy laws. For more info on the investment:support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/1275/0/what-is-startpages-relationship-with-privacy-onesystem1-and-what-does-this-mean-for-my-privacy-protections
Thank you for this episode, it was interesting and very well made :)
I can’t tell how much i love your channel. Please publish more
I think TechAltar is the one that taught me how becoming the core that competitors rely on is even more vital in the long run than being the dominant service for users. Google and Bing obviously aren't threatened by any one of these little guys, but integrating themselves with all the other search providers makes it pointless to existentially challenge them at all. In a way, these other engines create new "brands" for the big engines. If a privacy-focused search engine relies at least partially on Bing results, and pays to use them, they become a privacy-focused alternative brand of Bing!
I changed to DuckDuckGo and Firefox about two years ago. Never looking back at google services I’m no 100% obligated to use for work or university.
@@tarkfarhen3870 You alright there? Lol, good luck next time you use your GPS based navigation that requires someone to understand general relativity, then continue to use your phone that was partially produced by ASML machines that produce virtually all the chips in the world, which requires highly educated researchers to design them. You then hop into a building that someone had to learn how to design such that it doesn't fall apart and if you get sick you go to a hospital where the best doctors are able to cure you with research based medicine or else you'll die.
No no, just people being crazy to try to understand our world, just go live your life in a forest somewhere :P
I use two browsers.
"Firefox Focus" for privacy and "Microsoft edge" for best browsing experience.
Edge is spyware, try non-focus Firefox instead
old edge or the new chromium based one?
@@seelensand new one. The one that's on Android's play store. Its much smoother then chrome.
@@uiopuiop3472
Fuck that use bromite instead.
Bromite is still chromium-based, which is bad if you care about browser dominationI use Bromite on my mobile too, but Firefox is getting better and better and already has a few features that make it better than Bromite (extension support, more granular settings, etc)
Thanks for this awesome video. I'm definitely gonna try Ecosia.
DDG imo, has more utility than Google. Especially for software development. It also has interesting features like bangs which allow you to directly search a specific website. For example, you can go on DDG and type "!yt techaltar" and it will send that query to youtube, and then redirect you to the youtube search results page. Depending on the website, it can take you to an exact page based on your search query. It also highlights different types of search results most likely relevant. So if you search some word or phrase, on the top, you can select whether your looking for a Meaning or Definition. One of the biggest things about DDG is you also don't need to leave DDG most of the time. Not only do search results come as links to websites, but DDG will also parse the most relevant result and display it on the search results page. IMO it is a more pleasant experience than Google.
I do still use Google, I just like the presentation of DDG better. I use Google when DDG fails me, but I have also found that Google fails me at an alarming rate. More than it should tbh. I have had actual Google searches return 0 results. Idk how that happens.
I really love you videos. keep up the good work :)
Ingenious observations bro!
Now that's some quality content, learned so much in such a short video
I use ddg because the dark theme, and usually google start to becoming a pain with their asking for "im not a robot" captcha everytime i want to search something
Very interesting! Thank you for making this video!
trying really hard to love duckduckgo, but you just cant beat the search results that google has
edit: have now switched to startpage
You get used to it, it's not that they're bad, just that Google's are better, but one can live with that
Yep, can't get good results in programming related searches with DuckDuckGo. I've tried to learn to use better queries, but it just hasn't helped. Somehow it seems Google can see the context behind the searches and skip the useless generic results that come with using keywords only.
@@electroplaque I actually find it gives me better results often, I am an electrical engineer.
@@electroplaque yea, google does that, if you search anything on google, in the next search google will give you suggestions based on the previous search.
Change the theme to "Terminal" and see how you will love it.Trust me,it happened with me.
I don't about this topic, but your voice is very healing.
Changed all my search pages to *Ecosia* thanx for talking about them
I use ecosia , they plant trees with ad revenue
Same.
@@tarkfarhen3870 You must be the type who complains about the health Care system while being completely incapable of taking care of yourself. Meh, suits you better.
@@tarkfarhen3870 you're probably scared of a little girl named Greta
Same here 💚
I would, if 40 million trees wasn't the US's daily equivalent carbon footprint. And the US certainly isn't the worst offender.
Don't want to sound doomerpilled, but planting trees does close to nothing whilst giving the dangerous illusion of progress.
Very cool video, never heard of the other than google, bing and duckduckgo.. thanx for the insights
Nice to have you back!
I abandoned Google a long time ago... at least I thought I did. Thanks TA for your good video!!!
Love your videos!
A very well researched video.
Very good Video, its such an special topic.
Google is not just a search engine, it's a verb. Only a tiny percentage of people will be using other search engines
DuckDuckGo usually works great when I'm looking for something in Hungarian.
Same applies to the Romanian ones Plus, I've seen the more I use it the better the searches are.
Agree about Hungarian results, better than competiting services
@@uiopuiop3472 I wouldn't say it's better, but it's in the same league with the big guys.
For me it gives better results than Bing somehow, even with them being on the same backend. About Google, it can be a hit and miss when searching Hungarian, sometimes gives better results than DDG, sometimes not. For scientific search (in Hungarian, German and English) I prefer DDG to Google, as it can find stuff like studies, papers, description and stuff like that better and cleaner than Google
More competition means more innovation for consumers like us so regardless of da search engine ur using its always great to see underdogs rise :)
I use DDG exclusively simply because that single click toggle to filter between local or global results is way too convenient, other filters are handy too, no need to dig through settings.
Since i started using Brave instead of Chrome, DuckDuck Go is all i use, except for localized searches. The transition has been completely painless.
very informative video i didnt know ducduckgo use big and google database knew about startpage though
I switched to Bing more than 2 years ago and never looked back. It has some powerful tools and it does better in image search. Also, I'm outside the US and use it for search other than English language sites, and the results are pretty great.
Surprised that Ecosia got a shout out. It's great that it's getting that big!
First I like, then I listen to what you have to say. As someone who is schooling for Software Engineering career, I truly find your videos valuable so thank you for them!
I'm glad you find them useful!
It is funny how things change. I used to love Google and worked to Google-ify everything. Now, I am working to have as little as possible to do with them. Brave browser, Tor, DuckDuckGo and Privacy extensions are the game now.
Same here. Been working on weening myself off the Google ecosystem for the better part of a year now.
Still got a long way to go before I completely degoogle myself. On the Google front, my next big thing I need to do is root my phone, install LineageOS, and ditch the play store in favor of F-Droid and sideloaded apks.
Well, i stick with Ecosia. Other Ecosia users here?
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@@tarkfarhen3870 Thank you four your helpful comment, it's always nice to talk to intelligent people with great ideas
What a fantastic video! Learnt a lot today.
I'm glad you did!
As always, Great content, useful info, verifiable results. I'm a fan. BTW I have set DDG as my main serarch engine on my main browser (MS Edge), just because Google's increasing monopolies. I always loved and respected what google was doing but their recent developments are not appreciated.
Great episode T.Avatar, why not revisit previous episodes & update them?
I am a simple man.
I see a duck...
... *I quack*
Thanks for letting me know about ecosia.
Loool when he said the 62nd episode i though he meant it was a 60 second long video 😂
That was a deep content!
This video is really good, but the problem is the noise floor from the mic is way too high, probably from a wireless system
I use Vivaldi browser with DDG set as default search engine. If I want to do a google engine search, I just use the '!sp' bang before my query - EZ life. Got to love DDG's bang shortcut system. Use the '!bangs' bang to search the bangs database for more shortcuts.
It's funny, I always try Google first, and if the results are not relevent enough I resort to DuckDuckGo. 90% of the time DuckDuckGo has more relevent results to a very specific thing I am searching for (I am a software developer usually looking for something really annoyingly specific) If only it had those quick Information cards I might actually use it as my default.
I do the exact opposite, can't find anything with DuckDuckGo related to specific programming stuff.
Am I the only one that finds the new labeling more conscise? Its less irritating while still letting me skip the first few entries almost immediately. Using flashy colors only made me more likely to look at the advertising link. Not going to lie I genuinely believed this was an apeasement move and not a predatory one
I don't agree because I am so used to seeing the ads on top of the search result that I don't even look at them anymore. I immediately scroll down to the actual results as if the ads weren't even existent. But now with the color missing I have to take a look at them to even know where the actual results start.
@@MathiasBacher I'm guessing that I'm more the exception than the rule.
I thought you would say helping them is like, more search queries indirectly coming to them so actual numbers increase and they can show it
the way he said " not a monopoly at all" was kinda funny
Talking about privacy. Stop using Chrome use chromium edge or (even better) Firefox instead.
(And maybe brave but I don't really trust them yet)
I never knew that there were that many trackers and other bs around, till I started using Firefox and it blocked them all for me. I also don't really worry anymore about the cookie popups, Firefox blocks them anyway if you set it up to do so, even if I accept them. It comes with the added benefit of not giving the Internet to Google by letting everyone use Chromium based browsers.
Finally someone who thinks like me. I use Firefox cause brave is also Chromium. I use ecosia but if I need the better search results ecosia allows me to type #g at the end to be redirected to google. I also have brave installed in case I need a Chromium feature
I used Brave before switching to macOS, in which I now use Safari. I’ve proudly used DuckDuckGo for years now.
There’s no going back when you get a taste of what online privacy actually feels like.
Vivaldi is a good chromium alternative to consider as well.
@@bspringer chromium is open source though and does not have any tracking whatsoever. Personally I use Vivaldi, it's great. :)
I'd never heard of startpage but I will have to check it out
Less relevant ads = less mind games about why an oddly specific ad is showing up
Ecosia grows after forest burns down, DuckDuckGo grows when privacy scandals happen, all of them grow when TechAltar releases a video about search engines :D
Interesting, Thank for the great video.
I use both Google (for mobile) and Bing (for Linux desktop)
Love your research and videos only one thing is please keep the volume of your voice over part a bit high. Maybe because your voice is that way it feels low. But would be nice to have the voice over at a little higher volume.
Using DuckDuckGo for 2 years now- love it and will never look back at Google. I actually prefer DuckDuckGo results more than Google ones :)
Also their founder Gabriel Weinberg is amazing!
Google did everything they could to stop Windows Phone from becoming a thing so they don't always help competitors.
for me its been a year since i havent used google for anything, it's true that the fisrt resoult of the page it's mostly better on google, but if you enter the second or therd you find the same information, it's only to get the habit of reading what you are clicking before doing it.
Google's Motto 'Be evil'
I use Bing on my iPhone 11 as the default search engine on Safari. Less ads in results, dark theme, and earning rewards makes it feel fun
Google search is like Windows: It has remained stagnant for years and has even gotten worse. Even so, the competitors aren't much better. Too big to change, too big to fail. Huge barrier to entry.
"in this sixty second episode..."
Me: wow this is gonna be a short episode
I wanna see a collab of TechAltar & The Hated One
I use bing everyday as my main search engine. It works, and if there is something I don't find which is usually doesn't happen I use the search engine that is in the market.
I once open up google play store and to my suprise it had a list of alternative search engines to use ( I think including duckduckgo and bing). Why did they do that? A friend of mine also had the same experience.
If you live in the EU, it's probably because the EU slapped them with an antitrust lawsuit and forced them to give EU citizens a choice of default search engines
@@TechAltar Makes sense
They editorialized the searches, they jacked up their cash cow.
I use ecosia and switch to google just to see football game results. Other than that a great engine, love that I'm helping planting trees
Informative .
Lot of comments on search engines, indeed this is an interesting topic. Lets thank the author for the inspired pick, good structuring and intensive research. Kudos.
i’ve used Duckduckgo search & Safari (exclusively), Apple Maps (unless i need street view). you can’t escape but you can make your life less dependant on google with very little pain
A very important revenue and traffic model that you failed to mention is ad arbitrage, that is, search engines paying for traffic from Google Adwords, and then monetizing the same with sponsored listing and affiliate results on their end.
Ask.com was entirely reliant on this model in the past, and even today, there are a number of search engines that do this at a smaller scale.
For this i activated the bell . great video.
9:58 Google is in Microsofts position now of the Microsoft in the 90s.
I started to use ecosia when I realized that when searching on google a lot of sites didn't appear on the search results. Besides if you try to look for example, the untucked chapters of RPDR I never found them on google, but when changed to ecosia it was all there. Same thing when looking for manga that's not licensed in the US much less in my country, when I searched in google I couldn't find a site to read manga online, when I searched in ecosia there were multiple.
For me the monopoly google has is starting to crumble, we'll see in the future how things play.
Nice, unintentional ASMR! The content is good also.
I am switching to startpage. Thanks for alternative.
blog.privacytools.io/delisting-startpage/
The themes(dark mode), multiple settings, and bangs are some of the biggest examples the like Chrome Google has stopped innovating in search. Those are also what makes DDG a very Enthusiast friendly platform. Still, startpage is pretty good in terms of privacy.
3:20 So that's why most of the ads I see on DuckDuckGo are intended for the US while I live in (somewhere completely different from the US)! The ads being shown for the wrong country because I don't get tracked is one of the things I like about DDG, though I do occasionally use Startpage. If a web browser doesn't allow me to select either of the two, I select Bing instead.
10:53 I imagine it's so that Google can keep Android partially closed-source. Ugh!
To me duckduckgo wins on easy to use. The !bangs feature just save a lot of time. Most of the time the results from duckduckgo first page are enough for me.
I try to use Ecosia but since I use many other products from Google it's just a bit easier however I have their app on my phone and I've changed it to my primary web browser on Firefox. I'm not a Chrome user anymore because I thought it was WAY too slow on my computer
I switched to DuckDuckGo because of the privacy and the logo, I love that Duck 🐥
3:05 mmm, I smell natural monopolies
When he said it's the 62nd episode, I thought it was a sixty second video but the video was actually 12:41. Then I got that it's the number.
I just set up an old Samsung Galaxy S5mini and at the very beginning it asked me if I want to install different browsers instead of chrome or use a different search engine instead of Google. I was really surprised about that.