Also my 8 year old's reason to seeing these was very positive. He loves the idea of just putting a single colour and getting them to look more like my minis than having to use a few different techniques. And remember, he's 8 and only just started painting and playing, so anything that helps him keep his enthusiasm is great as far as I'm concerned.
I got some Guilliman Flesh contrast because I have always had problems when it came to shading in recesses of faces or fabrics. It actually looks quite nice once you get over the fact that you’re not using actual base coat or real paint. You can throw it right on when there’s a white prime, but I was told that for a black prime an undercoat of Wraithbone was necessary; if all else fails at least I have a parchment paint color now.
We never had these tutorials at the dawn of gaming. He will be a pro painter by the time he's 13-14 even just casually keeping up with it if he has an eye for it. The largest hindrance for a new gamer or painter is not really knowing what they are doing and learning from mistakes. Many mistakes and a lack of knowing how to paint quickly or any guidance at all washes people out of the hobby in droves.
I got to test the contrast paints at my local GW store yesterday. I am a veteran painter and I really wanted to see if I could use these in my toolbox. Instead of using the plague bearer the store supplied I bought the cheapo (relatively) quick start space marines that I could assemble there. So I got to try the new primers. The new primers are FANTASTIC, the quick start space marines are blue plastic and with a quick and dirty spray there was NO blue showing. So much better than the corax white primer which tends to be inconsistent and lumpy. Then I got to applying the paint. Which took a lot of getting used to,. I decided to go with space wolves because it would give me grey, yellow, and red to work with. The models come out a bit splotchy but no more so than when new painters paint without understanding about thinning their paint. I think there’s a learning curve here. I was going for quick and dirty and I got the three marines fully painted in under an hour. So it’s probably good for young new players to use the system for what they call “battle ready”, but for me , I agree I prefer to put the time in. However, I did find some great potential for these paints. For one thing they dry much faster than inks and glazes. So using them as washes would be great. Second since they are so thin, there is a lot of blending potential there. Third, the paint range use the same pigment palette as the traditional range so you can layer or dry brush over without it looking wonky. In summation I’m saying that I agree that these paints aren’t going to magically paint your army. But I disagree that as a veteran painter that I won’t use them to supplement the current range. I also think that painting neophytes will at least have color on their models which is seriously better than gray plastic.
Well said, I found myself using them as a semi base coat/mid tone, reinforcing the shadows and highlights with traditional paints gave a really nice, relatively quick table ready effect for troops that let me move onto the daemon engines that could be the wow pieces Of my army. I did this on some bloodletters that I hadn’t gotten around to painting, and while close inspection will find flaws, they look good in a squad and they stand out when they are on a table against all the grim dark style paintjobs I see nowadays.
@@Wildbowl2iggy I disagree, he made biased opinion after painting *one* model in the most basic way not even trying different techniques. I like how he discard real experts opinion "because GW invited them" when they are actually at far greater liberty of saying what they think because they actually know what they are talking about and don't need GW attention. What MWG or Tip already shown with the paints is indeed far better and quicker than what you can do with normal acrylics, but you won't see that on biased and barely informed video like this one...
@@cyberargh I know it's supposed to be a slightly blue white, but with white being the lightest color... it seems like the idea of a contrast paint wouldn't work at all with white.
@@KuK137 What are you talking about, he tried one said it was pretty basic, and if you are happy with it then good, but then he tried multiple different techniques to see if he could get it to pull better color. As far as "real experts" what makes them anymore experts than he is? Also yea generally when a company invites you somewhere you feel more obligated to say something nice about their product, and even if they hadn't GW certainly isn't going to share that.
I just got into this hobby. It's hard to find an informative channel that explains things in a clear way for a beginner, but is also fun to watch. You just got yourself a sub.
My hands shake really bad, I even had to use weighted pens in school. I am very interested to see if this range helps me as my minis look kinda bad as is. Thank you for the very good review!
Hey, I see your plight as I myself have a natural tremor. I just have to say when I painted my first mini I felt pretty bad about the result. But with the addition of these contrast paints I have been much more satisfied with my recent paint job than my first, really helped my enjoyment of the hobby.
I've read that a dude with shaking hands would hold a brush in his left hand while holding the mini, and put the bottom of the brush in his right palm (painting hand). This way the shaking of both hands would be "synchronized". Maybe you should give it a try
Right there with you man. If you've never come across the idea of a mahlstick before, it may be worth a shot. www.creativebloq.com/how-to/level-up-your-painting-skills-with-a-mahlstick Might take you a bit of testing to figure out where to support one while painting models, but every little bit helps.
Finally, a serious review of this line! Thanks for the great work, this gives a good idea of who and what Contrast is for. As an average painter who wants to improve, I still want to work on the extra details. I can see some use for Contrast, but certainly not to the point of revolutionizing that process. It’s a tool, one more in a rather full box, and I’m sure some pros will find great uses for it that I will want to emulate.
I love the contrasts for models with high texture. I recently used in on a war hydra from games workshop, and i had 90% done in 10 minutes. Just needed to add some details in the traditional way. Also, the contrasts are great over a metal basecoat
It really wasn't. They're not necessarily for novices. They're a tool for people to get armies painted. They also dont have to be used for every surface. They should really just be used for what they're good at.
I think their main focus with these paints is to lower the barrier of intimidation for people who want to jump into this hobby, but are scared away by the painting aspect of it. Great job, Scott.
I agree. Get people who dont think they can paint, painting. once they realize they can and it isnt so difficult they buy the more expensive stuff that produces a better quality paint job.
Aaaaaaah. Then they should probably focus on not charging the same for a box of plastic minis what they used to charge for a box of metal figures. Fixing the price point would probably lower the barrier of intimidation for a lot more people and get them playing.
emloch - They sell colors for double the price. When you look at the competition they sell even the standard colors for a better price. It is just another hype to pay for an overpriced product which can not do the miracles they promise.
I really like the new contrast paints. I've been painting off and on for almost 20 years and was tired of the 3 coats and shade for nearly every color. Contrast is very close to a one-and-done method and has helped send me into a painting overdrive. Medium really helps thin out the more opaque colors and you can always touch up contrast paint jobs with more details but the water color, loose style of painting suits me well. I think I can finally paint up a full 2000 pt army by then end of the summer and am really excited about that, not to mention colorizing my huge back log of CMON and DnD minins.
Totally agree. For my aos regiments its a must. Even as a layer for heroes miniatures it does the job! I did this year with contrast: - 60 bloodletters - 50 chaos warriors - 30 plaguebearers - 20 putridblightkings - full army of nighthaunt - etc....
Totally agree with this from my testing and the tutorials I did. I like the colors, but they're not a end all be all. Great paints; but not everything, more of a complement.
Really great and honest review. It think it is really bold of you - and I appreciate that! - to critizie the product even if you will get "black-listed" for future GW sponsored products to review. I totally agree with you on the fact that the PR with the pro painters was a little bit odd! I think I will stick with my "normal" arcylic paints that I already own. But maybe if I should ever go for a 10.000 tyranid modells army, I will give it a try.
exactly what they are for. I honestly have never seen this guy before but can be sure I wont bother clicking again if he needs over an hour for 1 mini using contrast paints and says that the paints didn't live up to his expectations. Serious question btw, does he sell his services? I feel a lot of the paint studio guys will be lukewarm at best towards a product like this.
@@truegregthompson those orcs are gonna look quite bad, though. If you are willing to make that tradeoff, more power to you, but I'd imagine most people want their miniatures to look as good as possible, even if it takes much longer to get them done.
@@truegregthompson I dont think he does commissions. I dont know. He does really good paint work. He is a skilled painter. I wouldn't take his opinions in this video as a gauge for the rest of his videos. His videos are really good and I do recommend watching them.
@@PP-th4ft they won't be bad at all. All paint will be laid on with care and be done in about 25 minutes. Then clean up the lines and errors about 10 minutes. Lay down a dry brush 10 minutes. Paint the metallics and shade 10 minutes. Paint the bases about 5 minutes. This isn't including drying time and there is overlap. Like while the boys are drying I'm painting bases. All in all normal paint time for 30 boys is about 1 hr and 45 minutes using normal system. I'm not edge highlighting ork boyz to be perfection. I'm painting them up to look good in a squad and good when picked up. They aren't ment to look excellent.
@@PP-th4ft You wot mate? Turn off your biased blinkers, lots of people already done orks with contrast and for greenskin painting they are ace, looking better in five minutes than traditional method of spending an hour and 5 different paints and shades per ork...
I've been watching all the videos I could on contrast paints. This is by far the best one out there. I've been waiting to see your take on them. And as expected honest, insightful and tempered hype. Right on.
More like ignorant, biased opinion after 5 minutes of trying and not even attempting to use them in different ways. I'd believe this video if real experts on other channels didn't show vastly better results already...
This is without a doubt the best video on contrast paints I have come across. Thanks for doing so many different experiments - this really gives a better idea of the experience we are likely to have with the paints. I have been thinking of them as similar to inks and it seems like that’s not too far off. I probably wouldn’t use these unless I had a whole ton of units to get through in a short amount of time.
The contrasts are great paints and the trick to them is to add them to your painting arsenal, not replace your arsenal. Using the contrasts alongside the classic paints really allows you to do some cool stuff
This was great, thank you! My son and I are new to the hobby and this is exactly what I needed to see to better understand Contrast..it's a bit overwhelming and your video def helped me grasp it better.
Thanks for doing this video. I'll admit, I've watched many many videos on these contrast paints and have felt the hype anxiety verging on bloodthirst, that I needed these new tools and products. I was pretty sure that I'd open a paint pot, slather it on and would have your hard earned skills immediately. I needed someone to tell me to simmer down. There were some cool effects I've seen demonstrated though. GW put out a video called "Contrast and Classic: Stormcast Eternals" and I really like the blue over gold effect, coming out as a metallic teal. I'll still try these, but I appreciate unbiased report. (It's a report when the charts come out)
coming back in 2021 to mention (since the templars box just came out and I've been elbow deep in crusade colors) that your tips about the more opaque shades are spot on. I have been using the lighter colors as a wash over more traditional shading methods, but the black templar contrast really is nice for the primaris models over just a grey seer primer, and with minimal edge highlighting I am able to get a great finish. Def a good range (esp. the opaque ones) to keep around even for more experienced painters, just not as a "solves it all".
My guy! I've watched a bunch of your vids and I've recently gotten back into minis after taking about a decade off since I was but a wee lad. Content creators like you and Squidmar, Darren Latham, and the 'how I paint things' guy have REALLY helped me dust off the ol' brushes and I wanna say thank you for all the free learnin'! Alright so I had an actual comment though on contrast paints... SO I'm looking at the Sigmar fella and while your buddy is an amateur his piece was still decent enough and definitely did 90% of his homework for him. if you compare it to the example model you have it's pretty impressive that he could get so much color and so much, ya know, contrast with what amounts to basically two steps per surface. I mean that's just auto-pilot. So the model you painted, with a little technique, was actually pretty solid on most of the surfaces and like before you've got one step that does a ton of work for you. So I mean obviously it's kind of nutter butters that you can do so unbelievably lazy and still get a workable result. I mean for batch painting this seem like it'd be incredibly helpful in particular... But yo so for new painters or people that struggle with the techniques this gives them the opportunity to use a few simple techniques to get really amazing results. I mean, you've got three steps plus a bonus one if you're cheeky. Prime. Block in your primaries. Hit those areas with your contrasts. Bonus: throw a layer of highlights in there. Easy. Seems like it'd give you a real solid result with the third least effort. I suppose I'll try it out myself, at any rate. Oh yeah and for sure GW has somehow never been a cool company despite doing possibly the coolest thing ever idfk how it works but hey that's life. Anyway thanks!
Grate job on the video ! It definitely looks like a wash . I worked for BTP for 10 years and we used a wash mixed in with our paints to get a wash over the solid paint . So I would recommend using that the same way . One step looks to blotchy .
I think you guys missed the point entirely, despite actually saying it out loud. You focused on how it looks rather than how it works. I work 40-50 hours a week and then have other stuff going on, then I have on-call time some weeks and somewhere in there I'm supposed to dedicate 100s of hours of painting to get my troops to look like they're 4 or 5 layer shaded? No, this is perfect for me. I can sit down on a Saturday between fixing my car and getting groceries and polish off a unit that looks halfway presentable on the table at the game shop. Period. It's entirely meant for me and other guys who have actually played either primed or outright not even coated grey plastic at the store.
You can get the same effect spray painting the miniature then just using a wash or ink on top of it as these contrast paints. By spray can of spray paint. I'm still not sold on these as anything more than Games Workshop just "branding' inks/washes as something else then jacking up the price for them. There are better and cheaper alternatives out there for less cost and price.
There is a reason why some painters created their own "dips" back in the day. Jar filled with their coloured mixture. Hang model upside down and dip it in the paint, remove, let dry, done. Maybe a slight touch up. Contrast paints are essentially amazing "dips". They are time savers.
Yeah dude, I think people forget that we exist, and just how hard it is to motivate yourself to paint an entire army when you know it’s going to take over 2 hours or even more just to get a mere footsoldier presentable, and then you do the mental maths and realise it’ll take over a year just to host a small 1k point army - let alone a dream army. Heck, I’ve even considered paying someone to paint a force for me - cos what’s the point in my money when I’ve got zero time to enjoy it, so may as well use it to shortcut past the arduous part of my hobby, ...except, I refuse to do that because of dignity and that I want ‘my army’ to feel like “my army”. So then, it’s a catch 22: if I want the pride of seeing my little men kicking butt out there, then I need to earn that feeling-but then, I know it’ll take forever to get them done, so the small amount of free time I have is delegated to activities or tasks that reward me far greater in every sense (like family & friends, or even a computer game), which just leaves me thinking, “why did I bother buying these? Heck, why do I continue to dream that I’ll be able to use them or finish them one day? ... I wish there was an easier way/solution”. ... And then Contrast paints came out. Seriously, I don’t have the energy to get some spraying apparatus or put together some kind of “nifty tricks” for shortcutting that some of the other people around here are suggesting as some kind of “alternative”. Pfft, come on, unless I trip over it on the way to buying groceries or on my way home from work, I’ll never even know it exists, let alone find the time and energy to “learn it”. Contrast paints are a genius move by GW, and they can take my money. I don’t care that it’s probably overpriced (come on, all GW shit is, that’s why I use a general hobby store down the road from work, for all my brushes or scalpels etc etc etc, so I don’t mind buying specific stuff from GW in return). Fact is: the COST of the time these are saving me far out-values the hike in price on these paints. It’s absolutely worth it when I calculate the maths like that (cost of paint minus the value I put on my meagre free time = WOOORRTTHH IT). And yeah, the end result will suck compared to normal methods, but I only ever planned to ‘try’ on the special individual or important models in my army - “regular goons” can be grateful that I’m painting their sorry butts at all. xP So yeah, Contrast Paints are the best and were always meant for the majority of hobby’ists that can only dream of painting an entire army in a single lifetime. If your complaint is “painting normally still looks better, you only need to spend more time and patience”, then you’re grandly missing the fucking point, ahahaha.
@@YayaBunWa I keep meaning to put a speed painting tutorial up, but I'm sure there are many out there already. Basically, do painting in batches. Assembly line style. Do all the brown pouches, ropes, bags. Do all metal. etc across your entire army or unit. So when you are done, the whole thing is done. With contrast, it makes that process even faster. You can always go back and do more fine work
@@cinialvespow1054 Well... My friend has recently taken up Warhammer and he's been showing me what he can do with the new Foundation paints&tutorials + giving me a rough estimate of Time-Spent Painting, and honestly: it's incredible how much of a difference these paints make for speed painting. As for either 'not painting them at all' or 'just undercoat them + dip them in something, etc whatever ya want': I did that with my first army back in, erm, probs 2005 (was Imperial Guard) and I then took in my army to my local GW, where they proceeded to interrupt my match with another local and demand that I pack away my stuff (or go over to the painting table and get to work on my undercoated units, etc), and 'not to try this again with an unpainted army in their store'. Frankly, I do have options - like playing at a hobby-enthusiasts club or find/make friends in the area, etc - but there isn't much in my area (or, at least, there wasn't back then; at least I now have a GW within 20 minutes travel compared to 1.5 hours before) and the other alternatives that I was aware of weren't any closer nor "open-doored", sadly. So yeah: that's basically why I come from the perspective of a 'hard line'; not because I'm "anally retentive", but cos people have always been dicks about this to me and that's just solidified itself in my common sense as a prerequisite for participation. :/ And fuu, I was born in '90, fuuu not a boomer zzz~ fu-fu-fuu~
Good to see an honest review on these. They are certainly interesting and have their place. I look forward to experimenting with them for sure but they certainly won't replace my regular painting
I have like 200 cadians, arcoflagellants and skitarii, i have nor the time or the skill to paint them to a great level so 4 years ago i tried to base them with a white waterbased spray can and paint them with washes (except metallics, those for me look good only with metallics, NMM is too time consuming), at some point i could paint 10 cadians in 1 hour, base and rim too: - green wash for the clothes - black wash for the shoes, helmet and the gun - fleshtone wash for face and hands - base whatever technical and a wash - rim sand color. Not only the result is ok (i even got compliments from the club lol) but it gets a dirty grimy, even camo look to the miniatures without any idea of how to do it. And with washes you can do another thing: wash! I think if GW would have just done videos explaining you can paint with washes over light bases it would have been just fine, they would have sold a ton of washes without having to invest in a new line. Or just do new lighter colored washes like yellow etc.
I didn't buy into it being magical, but I did expect it to be a high pigment wash that'd be easier for beginners to use, since the concept of thinning your paints is a bit more complicated than just adding water. It seems to fulfill that role, but I also see it as discouraging people from actually learning to paint, not because the contrast result is good enough for you not to bother learning, but because you don't gain any experience from using this paint. I've painted about a hundred mini's, so I'm just past the beginner phase - It takes work, there are no shortcuts to learning how to paint miniatures. I don't really see any point to getting these paints as I can create any shade of paint I want with 6-7 different pots and thin them down to be a glaze or shade if I want. I learned how to do that because I don't want to buy five different flesh colors to paint the occasional sergeants head.
> but because you don't gain any experience from using this paint. I'd argue against this. Contrast paints seem like a pretty good way for someone intimidated by painting to learn to cleanly paint "within the lines," without having to worry about anything else. I don't imagine I'd ever use them myself, but I can see myself picking up a few as a gift for someone on the fence about taking up mini painting.
@@AliceSouthey - Hey if someone gets encouraged from using these, then all the power to them. What beginners will find out when swapping over, is that regular paints will act completely different and need to be managed accordingly. You wouldn't learn how to paint by using washes only for example, you don't get the knowledge on how to proceed, if that makes sense. It's like jumping from water colors to inks or oils - They're not the same.
experience is everything, been making my own washes and " contrast" paints for over 20 years. it's all on how you blend and what you use, that's why it's art.
The main objective for this Contrast Paint Set is to not look at your minis the way we use to do it when we love painting them, but to be watched from the top, as an army on the battlefield. It's clearly focused on players who do not have the patience to paint and who want to play as soon as possible. Maybe GW should have use that subject as a main campaign argument, and not making people believe they will be some painting masters with this magical product. Still a gap between what I believe the creators of the product had as intentions and what the marketing department decised to say in order to make more benefits.
Thank you for the transparency. Nice to see multiple, varied tests done. I like the pros and cons mentality. Rather then overly simplified pass or fail, synopsis.
Short and simple: love them. They have revolutionised my hobby. Like some other commenters, I'm a dad with a full-time job. My painting time is limited. These have really increased my output. Are they perfect? No. Some go on blotchy, but I can live with that. My method is Contrast Paints + edge highlight for all non-metallics. I use metallic paints for metal, wash it, then edge highlight. I don't layer. That's the main step I've saved time on. Overall, the number of completed models outweighs the slightly more blotchy look.
As a newbie i have NOT painted any minis yet, I've been watching your videos and WOW your good. I hope to start painting by the end of this year. again as a newb I got a long way to go forbefor I can start. I don't have anything at all yet, no brushes, no paint, nothingy. My airbrush kit is on it's way in the mail and I'm putting my hubby desk together in my bedroom.
I still prefer to spend hours upon hours on one mini... and be absolutely not happy with the results, that to cut corners... and not be happy with the results ;)
I like taking my time, 1-2 hours a night 3-5 nights a week. Don't want to get into the grey army trap and have to face painting 2k of orks all together contrast or not
If you want to make your own contrast paints or washes use windex with the streak free attributes with your acrylic paint... mix to desired consistency... I use Vallejo paints and they seem to work well with a 2 to 1 ratio of windex and paint respectively.
They make acrylic mediums for this exact purpose! Much more healthy for you, and a lot of benefits whilst painting - paint stays workable longer but doesn't go watery, and lets you make opaque colours highly translucent. I use Liquitex's gloss/matte mediums for models and painting in general and it's great stuff.
I love your review. I personally am excited to receive my paints. I bought them to see how well they work and also to get started with my son painting and learning how washes and shades work.
I think they look absolutely amazing over a metallic primer. The other primers are meh, but with a metallic one you get kinda a shiny color to whatever you’re doing. Really ace for Alpha legion IMO
Personally I'm very happy with the paints. Due to my standards it's given me the impetus to paint my hordes of Astra Militarum whilst not being too precious about how they come out and not having to spend as much time with washes and highlights. I agree that I'd still use standard paints for some jobs though.
I think this is a fair review. I can see the use of Contrast, but also that it's not for my style, especially as I try more and more to create a cohesive and distinct style and try to use more advanced techniques.
Great review! For me as a complete novice with no time I think I'll enjoy using contrast to get them at least tabletop ready but still use original line to do further details
Would you able to compare Vallejo Game Inks to this line? They seem to fill a similar function and I'd love to hear the differences in how they perform. Love the videos! Keep it up!!
Honest review, you cleared all the doubts I got from gw's marketing. Yet I still wanna see how they act on a metallic primer and on some models like perry's and blacksteelfist samurai
For more control over your application use a GW Glaze Brush. And when they say one thick coat they mean it. I love the paints. For those quick and dirty models done
Great review for anyone wondering about these. I would see these paints as another tool to use in my arsenal, not a complete replacement. As long as you can temper your expectationse, especially to a newcomer to the hobby, the paints can work really well. I always remind any noob that the minis are painted by professionals who know how to get the best results so no matter what the product promises, it will still take some practice.
I would also say that before contrast paints I would procrastinate at the thought of painting. I was very new to the hobby and didn't have alot of confidence in my ability to paint decent models. Contrast paints are a great gateway to the regular paints. They helped me build my confidence and motivated me to find new ways to improve my painting.
This was really good, subscribing. I enjoy that you are being yourself in your videos, it doesn't feel forced to me like so many other channels, it feels more, uncontrollable.
So, unless there's a category for "Contrast only" minis, you won't one winning any painting contests any time soon. But if you really, really want 200 Hormagaunts to keep a Stormlord occupied...
...then you're probably better off getting an airbrush. I seriously doubt brushing on contrast paint could be anywhere near as quick as airbrushing. It's only my opinion, but I also think zenithal highlighted models look way, way better than the splotchy result that nearly everyone I've seen gets from contrast paints. Zenithal the flesh, base coat the carapace with a brush, drybrush the carapace ridges, then give the whole thing a wash. Done!
Hi @@mikeclement4029, you're not wrong. But I also think the target audience would be better off with a solid base coat. Once the hype dies down in a couple of months, we'll see who really finds use for these unusual and very niche paints. Right now, it's too early to tell.
The GW Heavy Metal team used contrast paints (or as expert paints would have called them : inks). Ain't nobody ever going to judge a mini in a contest based on (assumed) painting technique, unless that was part of the requirements. Beginners aren't going to win any painting contest regardless of technique, unless it is a 'best beginner' type of thing. Everyone else will use whatever tools available, which includes inks and airbrushing.
After testing with the contrast paints, I find them situational, the only use I can get from them is to paint over models based on leadbelcher to mimic alpha legion or thousands sons from the heresy era.
Because of the thinness of the paint I like to use the orange as a finisher when doing rust (it gives the look that the item has been rusted for a long time). I will not use this paint as my primary go to for painting my stuff. Great informative video.
Nice review Scott. Great to hear an opinion other than "wow they are so great" or "they're shite". Your's is balanced. Really appreciate the honesty - and backed up with plenty of science too :)
Thanks. This is the most complete video I have seen on the subject with some really honest criticism. Also, having your buddy paint a mini with it was a great idea. And the chart, that was also a good idea.
I have used the contrast paint on a leadbelchor and silver bace. And found the warp green worked well on titan eyes and display screens. I also found the snakebite worked well finishing of a rust finish. It also worked well painting soil effect. I've enjoyed experimenting with using different base colours and adding washes to enhance finish. I've also used it on scenery item such as oil drums, equipment chest, tool boxes, bombs and gas canisters to make great metallic finishs. I'm no picasso but enjoy experimenting with the contrast paints on different base colours.
The more paints the better. Its great to have access to a range of acrylic paints - Its not a replacement, its enhancement and expansion of a nice range. .
I am making a death guard army and I used the iyanfen yellow contrast paint over top of rakarth flesh base on the tenticles and zombie like flesh on my brightlord terminators it made this intense sickly yellow orange flesh that not only pops but really makes you feel uneasy.
You have to be the only youtuber that tells me what I ‘need’ to hear, not what you want me to hear. I was wondering just what and how these contrast paints worked.....now I know and will probably carry on using washes and inks that are cheaper and do the same thing. Thank you for keeping shit real!
A great vid, this is the first time I have bothered looking into Contrast Paints...so we’ll done 🤟 years ago I painted with inks and washes. The only difference was a darker undercoat with a dry brush of a lighter colour to help with the contrast.
What a great video, exactly what i was looking for before the release this week. Thanks for taking the time and effort to get a novice in/use the paints in different ways/show what they are capable off and show different examples. great stuff.
Aw man.. What can I say? I just love you. Thanks for the sincere review, It pretty much came down to what I expected of the paints. Will try the black for power armors to speed up that grind.
All paints are good. I like that you have another option to add to your paint lines. Washes are amazing and cut time down on a 15mm by half. Good review
I'm happy with a mix of Tamiya paints, Apple Barrel acrylic craft paints (need to thin it for minis, straight or thinned for terrain), BlackMagicCraft washes, and the basic box of Citadel Shades I got recently.
I just found this TH-cam channel helping me already with my painting, and i tend to use contrasts just to get capes down so I don't spend longer than I have to doing the cape
Thanks Scott for your honesty! This is one of the many reasons I like your reviews! I am guessing I am not alone on this too. Keep up the awesome work!
Great review and thanks for using the Others to showcase. I was hoping to use Contrast paints to finally get that project started but use them as a quick base and work on from there with some select highlights and shades. I do like the result you achieved on top of the zenithal undercoat and will most likely do the same. As you say, they’re not the magic solution but seem like a good way to get a bit of a head start.
Thank you for a very informative video. It kinda sounds like what I often do with hand brushing diluted paints or airbrush paints, using translucency against undercoats of different brightness levels to get quick shading effects. I think I'll stick mostly to mixing my own since I've learnt how to get what I need on my own.
This is why Miniac is my go to for product info. It's not "this is the best because I use it" Or "this is the worst, because I hate it" just a bunch of good info and actual visuals, well presented in a great format.
I know some people just want to get their army on the tabletop to play, so Contrast might be better for them. Since GW minis are so damn expensive, I still prefer to paint each model to the best of my ability
I look at it this way, unless I'm going to enter a mini in a painting competition I don't want to take forever getting it painted. Contrast paints seem do be designed for people who just want to get their dudes on the table and they look good enough. I especially see these paints as a boon to those that want to crank through all those miniatures from those big box games like The Others: 7 Sins, Zombiecide, Massive Darkness, etc... . These paints will will also be useful for DM's that need to crank out monsters/NPC's for their players to interact with as they, unlike said players, have more than one mini to deal with. Sure, if I was a player in a tabletop game I'll spend the time on the mini for my character. Also, for special/leader types some extra time can be warranted. But when I got tons of line troops I need painted, whatever gets them done the quickest is the way to go.
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THE CHARTS ARE BACK!! YEAH BABY!
CHART CITY, BABY!!
WE MUST GIT DOUBLE THE CHARTS
THERE MUST BE A WRAITHBONE AND A GREY SEER CHART
Like seriously, that'd be very helpful
I agree. GW needs to dump this contrast range. Stick to the classic method
Great review, but you did omit some really important information. How do Contrast paints taste compared to the normal GW paints?
This the most important of questions. We need answers!
Dear god, this is what we really need to know.
familiar but hard to place, not unpleasant... what??
Having tasted them at warhammer fest i can confirm they taste better than the old foundation paints.
awful. really, really awful.
"one coat"
*Terrified Duncan screeching*
Lol
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This is why nobody can get any paint, all the bloody you tubers have them all!
They took ur peints!
@@Persona6Blue bursturds!
mafoota this made me laugh
vallejo colored washes are the same thing.
@mafoota LOL
Oh thank goodness - i thought this was gonna be an expose on something like "GW contrast paints were made from ground up orphans".
They aren't? Well count me out
Dylius01 ye that isn’t very grimdark of them
They're Duncan's tears. He weeps every time someone doesn't thin their paints
Welcome to Brexit Britain 🇬🇧
Their 'flesh tones'? *Liquified real human flesh!* 💀
Also my 8 year old's reason to seeing these was very positive.
He loves the idea of just putting a single colour and getting them to look more like my minis than having to use a few different techniques.
And remember, he's 8 and only just started painting and playing, so anything that helps him keep his enthusiasm is great as far as I'm concerned.
Exactly. I would've loved these to paint my Space Hulk minis when I was a kid.
I think they're fantastic for beginners.
True, but given the price it is likely not something that most people would by for there kids given that cheeper options are available.
I got some Guilliman Flesh contrast because I have always had problems when it came to shading in recesses of faces or fabrics. It actually looks quite nice once you get over the fact that you’re not using actual base coat or real paint.
You can throw it right on when there’s a white prime, but I was told that for a black prime an undercoat of Wraithbone was necessary; if all else fails at least I have a parchment paint color now.
We never had these tutorials at the dawn of gaming. He will be a pro painter by the time he's 13-14 even just casually keeping up with it if he has an eye for it.
The largest hindrance for a new gamer or painter is not really knowing what they are doing and learning from mistakes. Many mistakes and a lack of knowing how to paint quickly or any guidance at all washes people out of the hobby in droves.
I got to test the contrast paints at my local GW store yesterday. I am a veteran painter and I really wanted to see if I could use these in my toolbox. Instead of using the plague bearer the store supplied I bought the cheapo (relatively) quick start space marines that I could assemble there. So I got to try the new primers. The new primers are FANTASTIC, the quick start space marines are blue plastic and with a quick and dirty spray there was NO blue showing. So much better than the corax white primer which tends to be inconsistent and lumpy.
Then I got to applying the paint. Which took a lot of getting used to,. I decided to go with space wolves because it would give me grey, yellow, and red to work with. The models come out a bit splotchy but no more so than when new painters paint without understanding about thinning their paint. I think there’s a learning curve here. I was going for quick and dirty and I got the three marines fully painted in under an hour.
So it’s probably good for young new players to use the system for what they call “battle ready”, but for me , I agree I prefer to put the time in.
However, I did find some great potential for these paints. For one thing they dry much faster than inks and glazes. So using them as washes would be great. Second since they are so thin, there is a lot of blending potential there. Third, the paint range use the same pigment palette as the traditional range so you can layer or dry brush over without it looking wonky.
In summation I’m saying that I agree that these paints aren’t going to magically paint your army. But I disagree that as a veteran painter that I won’t use them to supplement the current range. I also think that painting neophytes will at least have color on their models which is seriously better than gray plastic.
Well said, I found myself using them as a semi base coat/mid tone, reinforcing the shadows and highlights with traditional paints gave a really nice, relatively quick table ready effect for troops that let me move onto the daemon engines that could be the wow pieces Of my army. I did this on some bloodletters that I hadn’t gotten around to painting, and while close inspection will find flaws, they look good in a squad and they stand out when they are on a table against all the grim dark style paintjobs I see nowadays.
This is by far the best review of contrast paints I've seen... Good job!
@@Wildbowl2iggy I disagree, he made biased opinion after painting *one* model in the most basic way not even trying different techniques. I like how he discard real experts opinion "because GW invited them" when they are actually at far greater liberty of saying what they think because they actually know what they are talking about and don't need GW attention. What MWG or Tip already shown with the paints is indeed far better and quicker than what you can do with normal acrylics, but you won't see that on biased and barely informed video like this one...
And yet still no one has reviewed Apothecary White.
@@silverfischdotnet because its total shite, that's why :D I've tried it at my local GW shop and its very very far from being actually white
@@cyberargh I know it's supposed to be a slightly blue white, but with white being the lightest color... it seems like the idea of a contrast paint wouldn't work at all with white.
@@KuK137 What are you talking about, he tried one said it was pretty basic, and if you are happy with it then good, but then he tried multiple different techniques to see if he could get it to pull better color. As far as "real experts" what makes them anymore experts than he is? Also yea generally when a company invites you somewhere you feel more obligated to say something nice about their product, and even if they hadn't GW certainly isn't going to share that.
I just got into this hobby. It's hard to find an informative channel that explains things in a clear way for a beginner, but is also fun to watch. You just got yourself a sub.
Of all the contrast videos I’ve watched, you’re the first one to get a rank beginner to try them out. Kudos!
My hands shake really bad, I even had to use weighted pens in school. I am very interested to see if this range helps me as my minis look kinda bad as is. Thank you for the very good review!
Hey, I see your plight as I myself have a natural tremor. I just have to say when I painted my first mini I felt pretty bad about the result. But with the addition of these contrast paints I have been much more satisfied with my recent paint job than my first, really helped my enjoyment of the hobby.
When my hands shake I rest the heels of my hands & little fingers on the table, so they just can't shake as much. It helps.
I've read that a dude with shaking hands would hold a brush in his left hand while holding the mini, and put the bottom of the brush in his right palm (painting hand). This way the shaking of both hands would be "synchronized". Maybe you should give it a try
Can you use your mouth?
Right there with you man. If you've never come across the idea of a mahlstick before, it may be worth a shot.
www.creativebloq.com/how-to/level-up-your-painting-skills-with-a-mahlstick
Might take you a bit of testing to figure out where to support one while painting models, but every little bit helps.
Finally, a serious review of this line! Thanks for the great work, this gives a good idea of who and what Contrast is for.
As an average painter who wants to improve, I still want to work on the extra details. I can see some use for Contrast, but certainly not to the point of revolutionizing that process. It’s a tool, one more in a rather full box, and I’m sure some pros will find great uses for it that I will want to emulate.
I love the contrasts for models with high texture. I recently used in on a war hydra from games workshop, and i had 90% done in 10 minutes. Just needed to add some details in the traditional way.
Also, the contrasts are great over a metal basecoat
Inviting novice painter was a brilliant idea. Good job!
It really wasn't. They're not necessarily for novices. They're a tool for people to get armies painted. They also dont have to be used for every surface. They should really just be used for what they're good at.
“Even GW’s pallet paper” *boi are you out of your goddamn mind *
I think their main focus with these paints is to lower the barrier of intimidation for people who want to jump into this hobby, but are scared away by the painting aspect of it. Great job, Scott.
I agree. Get people who dont think they can paint, painting. once they realize they can and it isnt so difficult they buy the more expensive stuff that produces a better quality paint job.
JCZFootball but contrast IS more expensive than regular paints, by almost double..
Aaaaaaah.
Then they should probably focus on not charging the same for a box of plastic minis what they used to charge for a box of metal figures. Fixing the price point would probably lower the barrier of intimidation for a lot more people and get them playing.
I think this would be great for kids
emloch - They sell colors for double the price. When you look at the competition they sell even the standard colors for a better price. It is just another hype to pay for an overpriced product which can not do the miracles they promise.
I really like the new contrast paints. I've been painting off and on for almost 20 years and was tired of the 3 coats and shade for nearly every color. Contrast is very close to a one-and-done method and has helped send me into a painting overdrive. Medium really helps thin out the more opaque colors and you can always touch up contrast paint jobs with more details but the water color, loose style of painting suits me well. I think I can finally paint up a full 2000 pt army by then end of the summer and am really excited about that, not to mention colorizing my huge back log of CMON and DnD minins.
Totally agree. For my aos regiments its a must. Even as a layer for heroes miniatures it does the job! I did this year with contrast:
- 60 bloodletters
- 50 chaos warriors
- 30 plaguebearers
- 20 putridblightkings
- full army of nighthaunt
- etc....
Totally agree with this from my testing and the tutorials I did. I like the colors, but they're not a end all be all. Great paints; but not everything, more of a complement.
"It's a little bit of a grey area."
Irony. In Contrast's attempt to erase grey, it itself became it.
"you were supposed to destroy the Sith! Not join them!"
"It's a little bit of a grey-seer area."
I am the senate
50 shades of boring
Really great and honest review. It think it is really bold of you - and I appreciate that! - to critizie the product even if you will get "black-listed" for future GW sponsored products to review. I totally agree with you on the fact that the PR with the pro painters was a little bit odd!
I think I will stick with my "normal" arcylic paints that I already own.
But maybe if I should ever go for a 10.000 tyranid modells army, I will give it a try.
“I wish I could thin them to my desired consistency”
Contrast medium:
“I exist”
30 ork boyz, done in an hour at my table top standard. That is my use for contrast.
exactly what they are for. I honestly have never seen this guy before but can be sure I wont bother clicking again if he needs over an hour for 1 mini using contrast paints and says that the paints didn't live up to his expectations. Serious question btw, does he sell his services? I feel a lot of the paint studio guys will be lukewarm at best towards a product like this.
@@truegregthompson those orcs are gonna look quite bad, though. If you are willing to make that tradeoff, more power to you, but I'd imagine most people want their miniatures to look as good as possible, even if it takes much longer to get them done.
@@truegregthompson I dont think he does commissions. I dont know. He does really good paint work. He is a skilled painter. I wouldn't take his opinions in this video as a gauge for the rest of his videos. His videos are really good and I do recommend watching them.
@@PP-th4ft they won't be bad at all. All paint will be laid on with care and be done in about 25 minutes. Then clean up the lines and errors about 10 minutes. Lay down a dry brush 10 minutes. Paint the metallics and shade 10 minutes. Paint the bases about 5 minutes. This isn't including drying time and there is overlap. Like while the boys are drying I'm painting bases. All in all normal paint time for 30 boys is about 1 hr and 45 minutes using normal system. I'm not edge highlighting ork boyz to be perfection. I'm painting them up to look good in a squad and good when picked up. They aren't ment to look excellent.
@@PP-th4ft You wot mate? Turn off your biased blinkers, lots of people already done orks with contrast and for greenskin painting they are ace, looking better in five minutes than traditional method of spending an hour and 5 different paints and shades per ork...
I can admit that I am indeed living under a rock at the moment
Isn’t everyone?
Not only am I living under a rock, but I am also a normal person.
I've been watching all the videos I could on contrast paints. This is by far the best one out there. I've been waiting to see your take on them. And as expected honest, insightful and tempered hype. Right on.
More like ignorant, biased opinion after 5 minutes of trying and not even attempting to use them in different ways. I'd believe this video if real experts on other channels didn't show vastly better results already...
@@KuK137 you mean, you distrust an honest review over the paid/rabid fanbois/gw placements?
@@Mr_jz_12 lol
This is without a doubt the best video on contrast paints I have come across. Thanks for doing so many different experiments - this really gives a better idea of the experience we are likely to have with the paints. I have been thinking of them as similar to inks and it seems like that’s not too far off.
I probably wouldn’t use these unless I had a whole ton of units to get through in a short amount of time.
The contrasts are great paints and the trick to them is to add them to your painting arsenal, not replace your arsenal. Using the contrasts alongside the classic paints really allows you to do some cool stuff
I really appreciate you for being honest and loyal with your audience. I feel like youtube lacks it a lot. Thank you
This was great, thank you! My son and I are new to the hobby and this is exactly what I needed to see to better understand Contrast..it's a bit overwhelming and your video def helped me grasp it better.
Thanks for doing this video.
I'll admit, I've watched many many videos on these contrast paints and have felt the hype anxiety verging on bloodthirst, that I needed these new tools and products. I was pretty sure that I'd open a paint pot, slather it on and would have your hard earned skills immediately.
I needed someone to tell me to simmer down.
There were some cool effects I've seen demonstrated though. GW put out a video called "Contrast and Classic: Stormcast Eternals" and I really like the blue over gold effect, coming out as a metallic teal.
I'll still try these, but I appreciate unbiased report. (It's a report when the charts come out)
coming back in 2021 to mention (since the templars box just came out and I've been elbow deep in crusade colors) that your tips about the more opaque shades are spot on. I have been using the lighter colors as a wash over more traditional shading methods, but the black templar contrast really is nice for the primaris models over just a grey seer primer, and with minimal edge highlighting I am able to get a great finish. Def a good range (esp. the opaque ones) to keep around even for more experienced painters, just not as a "solves it all".
Hey scott, I've seen online that some application of the more opaque colors over metallics resulted in some nice results.
My guy! I've watched a bunch of your vids and I've recently gotten back into minis after taking about a decade off since I was but a wee lad.
Content creators like you and Squidmar, Darren Latham, and the 'how I paint things' guy have REALLY helped me dust off the ol' brushes and I wanna say thank you for all the free learnin'!
Alright so I had an actual comment though on contrast paints...
SO I'm looking at the Sigmar fella and while your buddy is an amateur his piece was still decent enough and definitely did 90% of his homework for him. if you compare it to the example model you have it's pretty impressive that he could get so much color and so much, ya know, contrast with what amounts to basically two steps per surface. I mean that's just auto-pilot.
So the model you painted, with a little technique, was actually pretty solid on most of the surfaces and like before you've got one step that does a ton of work for you.
So I mean obviously it's kind of nutter butters that you can do so unbelievably lazy and still get a workable result.
I mean for batch painting this seem like it'd be incredibly helpful in particular...
But yo so for new painters or people that struggle with the techniques this gives them the opportunity to use a few simple techniques to get really amazing results.
I mean, you've got three steps plus a bonus one if you're cheeky.
Prime.
Block in your primaries.
Hit those areas with your contrasts.
Bonus: throw a layer of highlights in there.
Easy. Seems like it'd give you a real solid result with the third least effort.
I suppose I'll try it out myself, at any rate.
Oh yeah and for sure GW has somehow never been a cool company despite doing possibly the coolest thing ever idfk how it works but hey that's life.
Anyway thanks!
Thank you for the examples and comparisons. Very helpful in better understanding the uses of contrast paints.
Its impressive how far you've come in such a short time.
They sent you the entire line? That's outstanding man!
Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for your true honesty i had this same feeling.
Grate job on the video ! It definitely looks like a wash . I worked for BTP for 10 years and we used a wash mixed in with our paints to get a wash over the solid paint . So I would recommend using that the same way . One step looks to blotchy .
I think you guys missed the point entirely, despite actually saying it out loud. You focused on how it looks rather than how it works.
I work 40-50 hours a week and then have other stuff going on, then I have on-call time some weeks and somewhere in there I'm supposed to dedicate 100s of hours of painting to get my troops to look like they're 4 or 5 layer shaded? No, this is perfect for me. I can sit down on a Saturday between fixing my car and getting groceries and polish off a unit that looks halfway presentable on the table at the game shop. Period. It's entirely meant for me and other guys who have actually played either primed or outright not even coated grey plastic at the store.
You can get the same effect spray painting the miniature then just using a wash or ink on top of it as these contrast paints. By spray can of spray paint. I'm still not sold on these as anything more than Games Workshop just "branding' inks/washes as something else then jacking up the price for them. There are better and cheaper alternatives out there for less cost and price.
There is a reason why some painters created their own "dips" back in the day. Jar filled with their coloured mixture. Hang model upside down and dip it in the paint, remove, let dry, done. Maybe a slight touch up. Contrast paints are essentially amazing "dips". They are time savers.
Yeah dude, I think people forget that we exist, and just how hard it is to motivate yourself to paint an entire army when you know it’s going to take over 2 hours or even more just to get a mere footsoldier presentable, and then you do the mental maths and realise it’ll take over a year just to host a small 1k point army - let alone a dream army. Heck, I’ve even considered paying someone to paint a force for me - cos what’s the point in my money when I’ve got zero time to enjoy it, so may as well use it to shortcut past the arduous part of my hobby, ...except, I refuse to do that because of dignity and that I want ‘my army’ to feel like “my army”.
So then, it’s a catch 22: if I want the pride of seeing my little men kicking butt out there, then I need to earn that feeling-but then, I know it’ll take forever to get them done, so the small amount of free time I have is delegated to activities or tasks that reward me far greater in every sense (like family & friends, or even a computer game), which just leaves me thinking, “why did I bother buying these? Heck, why do I continue to dream that I’ll be able to use them or finish them one day? ... I wish there was an easier way/solution”.
... And then Contrast paints came out. Seriously, I don’t have the energy to get some spraying apparatus or put together some kind of “nifty tricks” for shortcutting that some of the other people around here are suggesting as some kind of “alternative”. Pfft, come on, unless I trip over it on the way to buying groceries or on my way home from work, I’ll never even know it exists, let alone find the time and energy to “learn it”. Contrast paints are a genius move by GW, and they can take my money. I don’t care that it’s probably overpriced (come on, all GW shit is, that’s why I use a general hobby store down the road from work, for all my brushes or scalpels etc etc etc, so I don’t mind buying specific stuff from GW in return). Fact is: the COST of the time these are saving me far out-values the hike in price on these paints. It’s absolutely worth it when I calculate the maths like that (cost of paint minus the value I put on my meagre free time = WOOORRTTHH IT). And yeah, the end result will suck compared to normal methods, but I only ever planned to ‘try’ on the special individual or important models in my army - “regular goons” can be grateful that I’m painting their sorry butts at all. xP
So yeah, Contrast Paints are the best and were always meant for the majority of hobby’ists that can only dream of painting an entire army in a single lifetime. If your complaint is “painting normally still looks better, you only need to spend more time and patience”, then you’re grandly missing the fucking point, ahahaha.
@@YayaBunWa I keep meaning to put a speed painting tutorial up, but I'm sure there are many out there already.
Basically, do painting in batches. Assembly line style. Do all the brown pouches, ropes, bags. Do all metal. etc across your entire army or unit. So when you are done, the whole thing is done.
With contrast, it makes that process even faster.
You can always go back and do more fine work
@@cinialvespow1054 Well... My friend has recently taken up Warhammer and he's been showing me what he can do with the new Foundation paints&tutorials + giving me a rough estimate of Time-Spent Painting, and honestly: it's incredible how much of a difference these paints make for speed painting.
As for either 'not painting them at all' or 'just undercoat them + dip them in something, etc whatever ya want': I did that with my first army back in, erm, probs 2005 (was Imperial Guard) and I then took in my army to my local GW, where they proceeded to interrupt my match with another local and demand that I pack away my stuff (or go over to the painting table and get to work on my undercoated units, etc), and 'not to try this again with an unpainted army in their store'.
Frankly, I do have options - like playing at a hobby-enthusiasts club or find/make friends in the area, etc - but there isn't much in my area (or, at least, there wasn't back then; at least I now have a GW within 20 minutes travel compared to 1.5 hours before) and the other alternatives that I was aware of weren't any closer nor "open-doored", sadly.
So yeah: that's basically why I come from the perspective of a 'hard line'; not because I'm "anally retentive", but cos people have always been dicks about this to me and that's just solidified itself in my common sense as a prerequisite for participation. :/ And fuu, I was born in '90, fuuu not a boomer zzz~ fu-fu-fuu~
Good to see an honest review on these. They are certainly interesting and have their place. I look forward to experimenting with them for sure but they certainly won't replace my regular painting
One of the most sincere TH-camrs I have seen; thank you Scott!!!
I've not only watched this through about two or three times, but I keep referencing it too. Absolutely amazing resource!
I have like 200 cadians, arcoflagellants and skitarii, i have nor the time or the skill to paint them to a great level so 4 years ago i tried to base them with a white waterbased spray can and paint them with washes (except metallics, those for me look good only with metallics, NMM is too time consuming), at some point i could paint 10 cadians in 1 hour, base and rim too: - green wash for the clothes - black wash for the shoes, helmet and the gun - fleshtone wash for face and hands - base whatever technical and a wash - rim sand color. Not only the result is ok (i even got compliments from the club lol) but it gets a dirty grimy, even camo look to the miniatures without any idea of how to do it. And with washes you can do another thing: wash! I think if GW would have just done videos explaining you can paint with washes over light bases it would have been just fine, they would have sold a ton of washes without having to invest in a new line. Or just do new lighter colored washes like yellow etc.
I appreciate your honest review of the product for some of us just getting paint on it and getting it on the table what were trying to do
I didn't buy into it being magical, but I did expect it to be a high pigment wash that'd be easier for beginners to use, since the concept of thinning your paints is a bit more complicated than just adding water.
It seems to fulfill that role, but I also see it as discouraging people from actually learning to paint, not because the contrast result is good enough for you not to bother learning, but because you don't gain any experience from using this paint.
I've painted about a hundred mini's, so I'm just past the beginner phase - It takes work, there are no shortcuts to learning how to paint miniatures. I don't really see any point to getting these paints as I can create any shade of paint I want with 6-7 different pots and thin them down to be a glaze or shade if I want. I learned how to do that because I don't want to buy five different flesh colors to paint the occasional sergeants head.
> but because you don't gain any experience from using this paint.
I'd argue against this. Contrast paints seem like a pretty good way for someone intimidated by painting to learn to cleanly paint "within the lines," without having to worry about anything else. I don't imagine I'd ever use them myself, but I can see myself picking up a few as a gift for someone on the fence about taking up mini painting.
@@AliceSouthey - Hey if someone gets encouraged from using these, then all the power to them.
What beginners will find out when swapping over, is that regular paints will act completely different and need to be managed accordingly.
You wouldn't learn how to paint by using washes only for example, you don't get the knowledge on how to proceed, if that makes sense.
It's like jumping from water colors to inks or oils - They're not the same.
experience is everything, been making my own washes and " contrast" paints for over 20 years. it's all on how you blend and what you use, that's why it's art.
The main objective for this Contrast Paint Set is to not look at your minis the way we use to do it when we love painting them, but to be watched from the top, as an army on the battlefield.
It's clearly focused on players who do not have the patience to paint and who want to play as soon as possible.
Maybe GW should have use that subject as a main campaign argument, and not making people believe they will be some painting masters with this magical product.
Still a gap between what I believe the creators of the product had as intentions and what the marketing department decised to say in order to make more benefits.
Yes, the Fireslayer Flesh Tone is more than a little tempting for 75 gray dorfs in our cabinet.
Thank you for the transparency. Nice to see multiple, varied tests done. I like the pros and cons mentality. Rather then overly simplified pass or fail, synopsis.
Basically it's good enough to paint 90 guardsmen for tournament to get extra points for having painted army
Short and simple: love them. They have revolutionised my hobby. Like some other commenters, I'm a dad with a full-time job. My painting time is limited. These have really increased my output. Are they perfect? No. Some go on blotchy, but I can live with that. My method is Contrast Paints + edge highlight for all non-metallics. I use metallic paints for metal, wash it, then edge highlight. I don't layer. That's the main step I've saved time on. Overall, the number of completed models outweighs the slightly more blotchy look.
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As a newbie i have NOT painted any minis yet, I've been watching your videos and WOW your good. I hope to start painting by the end of this year. again as a newb I got a long way to go forbefor I can start. I don't have anything at all yet, no brushes, no paint, nothingy. My airbrush kit is on it's way in the mail and I'm putting my hubby desk together in my bedroom.
I still prefer to spend hours upon hours on one mini... and be absolutely not happy with the results, that to cut corners... and not be happy with the results ;)
Completely agree
I like taking my time, 1-2 hours a night 3-5 nights a week. Don't want to get into the grey army trap and have to face painting 2k of orks all together contrast or not
If you want to make your own contrast paints or washes use windex with the streak free attributes with your acrylic paint... mix to desired consistency... I use Vallejo paints and they seem to work well with a 2 to 1 ratio of windex and paint respectively.
They make acrylic mediums for this exact purpose! Much more healthy for you, and a lot of benefits whilst painting - paint stays workable longer but doesn't go watery, and lets you make opaque colours highly translucent. I use Liquitex's gloss/matte mediums for models and painting in general and it's great stuff.
For me washes sound better...i don't paint armies..i chose models i like..great vid..very honest..much appreciated..👍
I love your review. I personally am excited to receive my paints. I bought them to see how well they work and also to get started with my son painting and learning how washes and shades work.
Thank you for honest review.
I think they look absolutely amazing over a metallic primer. The other primers are meh, but with a metallic one you get kinda a shiny color to whatever you’re doing.
Really ace for Alpha legion IMO
Got any pics? I'd love to see
Mayor McNopeNuhUh Pete the wargamer did a couple over Metallics, the teal was radical
I'll have to try this, I kind of like the water color look the paints have.
Personally I'm very happy with the paints. Due to my standards it's given me the impetus to paint my hordes of Astra Militarum whilst not being too precious about how they come out and not having to spend as much time with washes and highlights. I agree that I'd still use standard paints for some jobs though.
I think this is a fair review. I can see the use of Contrast, but also that it's not for my style, especially as I try more and more to create a cohesive and distinct style and try to use more advanced techniques.
No Product is a substitute for Practice.
Great review and cool to see more guests on the channel!
Great review! For me as a complete novice with no time I think I'll enjoy using contrast to get them at least tabletop ready but still use original line to do further details
Would you able to compare Vallejo Game Inks to this line? They seem to fill a similar function and I'd love to hear the differences in how they perform.
Love the videos! Keep it up!!
Honest review, you cleared all the doubts I got from gw's marketing.
Yet I still wanna see how they act on a metallic primer and on some models like perry's and blacksteelfist samurai
Honestly you're a great TH-camr and don't pad your runtime with nonsensical ranting, love your quirky personality and humor, paint on Mini Fam.
For more control over your application use a GW Glaze Brush.
And when they say one thick coat they mean it.
I love the paints. For those quick and dirty models done
Great video! Glad to get your opinion on the range
Great review for anyone wondering about these. I would see these paints as another tool to use in my arsenal, not a complete replacement. As long as you can temper your expectationse, especially to a newcomer to the hobby, the paints can work really well. I always remind any noob that the minis are painted by professionals who know how to get the best results so no matter what the product promises, it will still take some practice.
Hi from France !
This is an amazing review. Thx for that great job.
I use them with my orks. I paint the flesh, bone, and leather/cloth with contrasts and then use regular painting techniques for metal and weapons
I would also say that before contrast paints I would procrastinate at the thought of painting. I was very new to the hobby and didn't have alot of confidence in my ability to paint decent models. Contrast paints are a great gateway to the regular paints. They helped me build my confidence and motivated me to find new ways to improve my painting.
That's the most unique unit of Stormcast Eternals I've ever seen. Nice job!
This was really good, subscribing. I enjoy that you are being yourself in your videos, it doesn't feel forced to me like so many other channels, it feels more, uncontrollable.
So, unless there's a category for "Contrast only" minis, you won't one winning any painting contests any time soon. But if you really, really want 200 Hormagaunts to keep a Stormlord occupied...
...then you're probably better off getting an airbrush. I seriously doubt brushing on contrast paint could be anywhere near as quick as airbrushing. It's only my opinion, but I also think zenithal highlighted models look way, way better than the splotchy result that nearly everyone I've seen gets from contrast paints.
Zenithal the flesh, base coat the carapace with a brush, drybrush the carapace ridges, then give the whole thing a wash. Done!
@@Mikey__R if you've got an airbrush and know how to zenithal highlight a model you are not the target audience...
Hi @@mikeclement4029, you're not wrong. But I also think the target audience would be better off with a solid base coat. Once the hype dies down in a couple of months, we'll see who really finds use for these unusual and very niche paints. Right now, it's too early to tell.
The GW Heavy Metal team used contrast paints (or as expert paints would have called them : inks).
Ain't nobody ever going to judge a mini in a contest based on (assumed) painting technique, unless that was part of the requirements.
Beginners aren't going to win any painting contest regardless of technique, unless it is a 'best beginner' type of thing.
Everyone else will use whatever tools available, which includes inks and airbrushing.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese yeah, and beginners don't stay beginners for long.
Contrast paints are really useful for basecoating the primary color of space marines or for painting cloth.
works pretty great for orks too
After testing with the contrast paints, I find them situational, the only use I can get from them is to paint over models based on leadbelcher to mimic alpha legion or thousands sons from the heresy era.
That's the only use I could think of for them ngl
Because of the thinness of the paint I like to use the orange as a finisher when doing rust (it gives the look that the item has been rusted for a long time). I will not use this paint as my primary go to for painting my stuff. Great informative video.
Nice review Scott. Great to hear an opinion other than "wow they are so great" or "they're shite". Your's is balanced. Really appreciate the honesty - and backed up with plenty of science too :)
How are you not over 100k subs dude, your videos are so concise and professional and without all the bullshit.. seriously under appreciated mini geni
I tried this paint and it is everywhere but they are amazing
Thanks. This is the most complete video I have seen on the subject with some really honest criticism. Also, having your buddy paint a mini with it was a great idea. And the chart, that was also a good idea.
Great review. Really useful. I'll be sticking with regular GW paints.
I have used the contrast paint on a leadbelchor and silver bace. And found the warp green worked well on titan eyes and display screens. I also found the snakebite worked well finishing of a rust finish. It also worked well painting soil effect. I've enjoyed experimenting with using different base colours and adding washes to enhance finish.
I've also used it on scenery item such as oil drums, equipment chest, tool boxes, bombs and gas canisters to make great metallic finishs.
I'm no picasso but enjoy experimenting with the contrast paints on different base colours.
The more paints the better. Its great to have access to a range of acrylic paints - Its not a replacement, its enhancement and expansion of a nice range. .
I am making a death guard army and I used the iyanfen yellow contrast paint over top of rakarth flesh base on the tenticles and zombie like flesh on my brightlord terminators it made this intense sickly yellow orange flesh that not only pops but really makes you feel uneasy.
Great review. I've watched a lot of videos about contrast paints, and I agree about the PR campaign.
You have to be the only youtuber that tells me what I ‘need’ to hear, not what you want me to hear. I was wondering just what and how these contrast paints worked.....now I know and will probably carry on using washes and inks that are cheaper and do the same thing. Thank you for keeping shit real!
This has to be the first time when I see a headline starting with "The THRUTH behind (...)" - and truth is actually what follows.
A great vid, this is the first time I have bothered looking into Contrast Paints...so we’ll done 🤟 years ago I painted with inks and washes. The only difference was a darker undercoat with a dry brush of a lighter colour to help with the contrast.
I disagree I like them I use them as a base then use normal paints for highlights and metallics but that’s just me everyone has there own views
What a great video, exactly what i was looking for before the release this week. Thanks for taking the time and effort to get a novice in/use the paints in different ways/show what they are capable off and show different examples. great stuff.
Aw man..
What can I say? I just love you.
Thanks for the sincere review, It pretty much came down to what I expected of the paints.
Will try the black for power armors to speed up that grind.
All paints are good. I like that you have another option to add to your paint lines. Washes are amazing and cut time down on a 15mm by half. Good review
"It's a little bit of a grey area" , I see what you did there.
I'm happy with a mix of Tamiya paints, Apple Barrel acrylic craft paints (need to thin it for minis, straight or thinned for terrain), BlackMagicCraft washes, and the basic box of Citadel Shades I got recently.
I just found this TH-cam channel helping me already with my painting, and i tend to use contrasts just to get capes down so I don't spend longer than I have to doing the cape
Thanks Scott for your honesty! This is one of the many reasons I like your reviews! I am guessing I am not alone on this too. Keep up the awesome work!
Great review and thanks for using the Others to showcase. I was hoping to use Contrast paints to finally get that project started but use them as a quick base and work on from there with some select highlights and shades. I do like the result you achieved on top of the zenithal undercoat and will most likely do the same. As you say, they’re not the magic solution but seem like a good way to get a bit of a head start.
I'm a bad and slow painter, but I still think contrasts are not my salvation.
Thank you for a very informative video. It kinda sounds like what I often do with hand brushing diluted paints or airbrush paints, using translucency against undercoats of different brightness levels to get quick shading effects. I think I'll stick mostly to mixing my own since I've learnt how to get what I need on my own.
The Alton brown of the mini painting scene.
This is why Miniac is my go to for product info. It's not "this is the best because I use it" Or "this is the worst, because I hate it" just a bunch of good info and actual visuals, well presented in a great format.
I know some people just want to get their army on the tabletop to play, so Contrast might be better for them. Since GW minis are so damn expensive, I still prefer to paint each model to the best of my ability
As expensive as the minis are most people probably have to use watered down craft paints lol
I look at it this way, unless I'm going to enter a mini in a painting competition I don't want to take forever getting it painted. Contrast paints seem do be designed for people who just want to get their dudes on the table and they look good enough. I especially see these paints as a boon to those that want to crank through all those miniatures from those big box games like The Others: 7 Sins, Zombiecide, Massive Darkness, etc... . These paints will will also be useful for DM's that need to crank out monsters/NPC's for their players to interact with as they, unlike said players, have more than one mini to deal with.
Sure, if I was a player in a tabletop game I'll spend the time on the mini for my character. Also, for special/leader types some extra time can be warranted. But when I got tons of line troops I need painted, whatever gets them done the quickest is the way to go.