BEST Beginner Paint Set?!
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If you're a beginner and you're looking to dive into the world of miniatures, you need a few things. Among those things is a solid core of paints. In this video, Jon goes over all the biggest brands and their starter sets and finds which one is the best for you.
OUR RECOMMENDATION:
Vallejo: geni.us/EVbUn
OTHERS WE REVIEWED:
Reaper: geni.us/Gd69gX
While Jon didn't like the HD pants in this reaper set, the core colors set comes with only core colors (no HD paints). Based on my experience with Reaper MSP paints, I can recommend this set if you were interested in the thinner dilution.
Reaper Core Colors: geni.us/yY434m
Army Painter: geni.us/vG3GI
Games Workshop:
This is what was available at the time of this review: www.games-workshop.com/en-US/...
Sometime between then and now, THIS came out: geni.us/MKMPl
Pretty much the same colors, $7 more expensive, and full size pots.
Scale 75: scale75.com/en/the-smog-rider...
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Any possibility you could run the shirts in larger sizes in the future?
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Man, Tom Hanks is looking good for his age.
or when he and robbie williams having a son ^^
Mark LOL
Frank Whaley
Is he though?
Am I the only one that sees Matt Damon and no other actor on Jon's face? Obviously it's not a 1 to 1 but yeah.
@Miniac *Buff is an actual thing.*
"Buff" is the color of "buff leather", i.e., rawhide; also refered to simply as "buff". For example, a "buff coat", is a coat made of buff. In fact, buff is historically the most common form of hide or so-called "leather". Tanning the hide was prohibitively expensive for most uses until the invention of chrome tanning in the industrial age.
thanks for the knowledge, stranger.
You'd probably use of canvass on military stuff
I think their names were Beaver, and Buffcoat?
In this case however, judging by the colour of the paint, the "Buff" colour refers to "Buff Titanium", I.E: Unbleached titanium.
@@adisaikkonen Buff leather/buckskin/raw hide is beige and is extremely common in military model product ranges between the early-modern era and WWII. Buff Titanium *is* also beige, almost exactly the same color. So, whichever you prefer.
Looks like GW Listened to you, their new Citadel Essentials sets come with full paint pots and are just £25.
Thanks for pointing that out, I was about to comment stating I got a starter set a while back and it had 13 full-size pots
lol they also listen to him saying why two browns, why not agrax earthshade.
@@Marty-et9sx It kind of annoys me that this comment only has 5 likes.
Whoever liked this reply and not the comment, like wut.
Pretty sure you get sized-down pots of the washes, though, just from what the sizes look like on their website.
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@@rahnkoenig2315 lol no
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I'm loving John as a guest star- not that we don't love our Scotty, but you seem to genuinely have a blast working together & that energy & fun comes right through in the video. Some of your best editing too, keep it up Scott!
'Spend time' with Jon lol
Again love you Jon do more Videos.....yeah,
I appreciate this channel so much because the honest reviews
When you decide to kitbash Scott instead of buying the whole mini for a huge price.
I had a long break from painting so I got the army painter starter. That limited palette actually made me learn to mix my own paints, learn color theory, blending etc. Most fun I ever had painting was that time
I love the production value and personality. I can only hope that when I start a TH-cam channel it will look remotely close to this. Keep up the strong work.
I started with the Vallejo starter set. Even though I love basic Reaper paints, Vallejo is a very reliable brand, and I wholeheartedly agree with Jon's recommendation.
Watching this makes me happy that I picked up Vallejo as my first batch of paints. As a new painter I love these videos.
Actually really liked the dude in the video, think he was excellent at speaking. Definitely considering that vallejo set for myself! Thanks, really enjoyed the video
Joseph Orme - You might want to consider the Vallejo “Game Color” starter set as well, it’s really good for Fantasy types of miniatures (colors wise). I wish they would’ve included that starter set as well in the review. I will say this, they tend to be a little thinner than the Model color set, but this isn’t a bad thing at all. Coverage is still good and great metallics.
@@Tombonzo ive heard the legend that game color already has some varnish in it.
@@Tombonzo do you reckon the colours would also work well for 40k? As that is the main game that I play. Of course the metallics will work, but are the rest of the colours transferable to a Sci fi setting?
Joseph Orme - Yes, they made that line to compete with GW’s color schemes.
Forgot to mention, Download the color charts for GW and Vallejo Game color. Vallejo actually gives recommendations for GW’s conversions.
Really great informative market review, well edited and we can all see the hard work that's gone into it. Outstanding work on this channel
The opening of this video reminded me of Good Eats. a show I adore, so I'm always up for a hilarious way to explain things.
A wild Skynes appeared!
Thank you for making this video, I've seen so many "Use this set" type posts but never a comparison of this many paints. Getting the Vallejo to get started.
Jeez... I swear this channel is just rocketing from strength to strength... absolutely brilliant video. Everyone creating youtube content, regardless of their chosen “niche”, could learn a thing or two from yourself... really good quality videos. Oh... and the actual content was good too ;)
I started with the Reaper Learn to Paint set 1, and I felt like it was a precursor to Set 2; Layers Boogaloo, and I liked the 3 minis that came with it. An Orc warrior, Knight, and Skeleton Archer. I was fully pleased with the set. All Reaper Bones paints, and the case was fun too.
Late to the party, but same set I started with. I liked the little guidebook they had for the minis on how to paint them and imo they actually came out not as bad as I thought they would. I still use some of the MSP paints, but after trying Citadel it's really hard for me to go back, but would definitely recommend that set to a beginner.
Jon's excellent description of each set was very insightful. He's got me curious for the Scale 75 set - and range as a whole, really. Well done.
That was not only informative, but engaging. Got to say that might be the best add placed in a video I have seen. Also yay chart love!
Probably a coincidence, but Reaper discontinued the HD line shortly after this video came out :)
I'm surprised he said the bones paints were good but the HD paints weren't when they are the same formulation. In fact the colors he complains about were literally integrated into the bones line. So it might be more of a color issue instead of an issue with the entire line
Whatever amount you get paid for everything you do is not enough 👏
Nah. Yoitubers used to do this for free.
Although I started using GW’s paints, I made the switch to Vallejo using the starter set you guys showed and I have to agree 100%. The metallics especially are just incomparable to it’s competition. Loved the video!
I know I’m like 10 years late to this video, and no one cares about comments anymore, but I gotta say one thing: You sir, are a brilliant word smith. I never thought I’d watch a painting video that actually made a Freddy Mercury quote actually work in it’s context. Well done Sir. Subbed on that premise alone.
The GW starter kit got an update. It costs $40, has clippers, glue, and full sized paints and half size shades and texture.
That case with that t-shirt will definitely get me laid this Christmas season . Cheers !!!!
The Vallejo was my first painting set and I still love it. Great choice!
Great video for begineers! Your channel is the best one about miniature painting on youtube, keep up the good work. Two thumbs up Scott!
The Vallejo set is definitely my favorite, it was my first brand outside of GW. What's even better is that they have so many different types of sets for all matter of miniatures and figures, that you're bound to find a set that can be tailored for your minis.
I ordered all vallejo based on countless testimonies like yours. All my brush does is clog with it. Ive spent entirely more time cleaning, mixing and disassembling my brush than painting a hull and deck. Its still not fully painted. Vallejo sucks ass.
@@SunDevil31 are you using a wet palette?
@@yenkins5086 Yes. I figured it out, I need to do at least 50% thinner just to get it through my airbrush. Tamiya actually goes through my brush much better than Vallejo and less thinning.
@SunDevil31 sounds more like you a problem than a vallejo problem sorry. I think it's just learning and gaining experience for ya. Take care.
@@vincentjackson3472 I have a problem because vallejo paint is not airbrush-ready right out of the bottle as advertised? Ok, Ace. Keep dreaming. Take care.
*Video starts* "is that the normal guy...?" I'm new to the channel
I have the army painter mega set, but am now going to pick up a vallejo starter to try with my airbrush! I cannot say enough good things about this video. I learned a lot, thank you!
This came perfectly in time for putting together a christmas list, thank you!
Great video! Nice to see some more Jon!
I just purchased a Citadel Age of Sigmar paint and tool set that came with cheap clippers, a cheap mold line removal tool and 13 pots of 12ml paints (all came perfect), and at a similar price as the one shown in this video ($35~). Seems almost like a steal of a deal in comparison to the one shown here!
Vallejo names their products like that for "real" model kit fans... they actually have great naminig. It's great to have a set called "1940 RAF" or "Modern US vehicles". Simple and to the point. Great paints, too! Great video!
These recommendation videos have been badass. Your dedication to taking such an empirical approach with the comparisons is just awesome, and so appreciated. Really looking forward to the airbrush video.
Great comparison, definitely do more of them. Thanks to you both for doing the legwork, and the outtakes were hilarious.
My choice would be either Vallejo or Scale75
This is the second video I’ve seen with Jon-I’m a new subscriber-and the second video where he’s mentioned wrestling. I would like to say that Minnesota has produced some of the best professional wrestlers of all time.
Your references are not lost on me, sir.
Thanks for the review guys, most appreciated and also a paid promo done right !
I love the channel and I'm getting back into 40k after 15 years. Thanks for these tips.
As a hobbyist and paint hoarder I own all the ranges and a couple more. Vallejo is my choice as go to paint range. I love their "Air" lines a lot; insane quality metallics. Also, Vallejo "Flow Improver" can make almost any paint line airbrush friendly. Awesome video and production!
I am slowly switching from GW to Scale 75, however listening to the experience of all the great youtubers out there, I understood that there is no such thing as a silver bullet. There is no specific brand that is THE BEST. Each one produces some particular color that are above many competitors, for example Vallejo's metallics, GW reds and yellows, Scale 75 inks, P3 Arcane blue and Necrotite green, Army Painters wash system, etc. etc. etc.
However as a completely new painter, I find that the GW's system, based on base, wash and layer, is the best one to get into the hobby, there are tons of examples, for almost every miniature they produce, and it easy to getting started!
That's a good point, for example I think the opposite. I think citadel do the best metallics but vallejo do the best reds as citadels always turn to jelly.
I was looking for this, I really wanted to know what brand I should start with!
@@iloveyoushima lol even the pros admit vallejo makes better metallics
@@iloveyoushima Vallejo metal color my man
@@mrpeanut4075 I've been enjoying the army painter silvers i picked up. Shining silver is beautiful
I cant stress enough how much i have been enjoying your videos the past few weeks. you seem to have grown in leaps and bounds. i love both of you, you work well together and i hope to see more. That being said, glad to see vallejo and scale 75 getting some much deserved love. Totally agree.
This is exactly what I was looking for I love that case now I’m going to save up for it thanks for the vid you got yourself a new subscriber!
I really like both the Vallejo and Army Painter sets. I believe that a lot of the problems people are having with the consistency of the paints can be improved by thinning with an airbrush flow improver and placing small bearing balls in the pots for better mixing of the paints with their mediums when shaking before use.
Cho paw!? Great! I love uncle too.
Is this the best channel for the miniatures hobby?...
You guys rock
Thanks a lot for this video! I'm so glad you made it. I like a vallejo and scale 75 sets!
He's like if Scott and Uncle Atom had a child!
Also personally started with the Vallejo set and it's still doing me well!
Most fun I've had watching a commercial since Mikey ate the cereal. \m/
Fantastic and highly informative video. John is a great addition to the team and I greatly look forward to more colab efforts between both you guys in the future!
I bought the Vallejo set after watching this video a few months ago. Best purchase of my model painting journey by far. Thank you for the recommendation.
Hi Scott , Iv'e just caught the video, a great no nonsense review and another superb upload. I've just finished binge watching your vids. Just one question. Who is John and does he have a TH-cam channel? (is that two questions???? Keep up the good work and take care.
I sort of zoned out when I spotted "beneath the remains" album pinned to the wall, had flash backs of my late teens then came back at Vallejo set at the end.
Great album, arise even better
Just getting back into painting after a 18 year hiatus, awesome content dudes. Subscribed!
I'm just getting back into the hobby . This video was SUPER helpful . Thank you so much and great job :)
Vallejo Buff kicks butt for historicals.
"Cha-pow"
I see what you're doing, you clever minx.
Just got into mini wargamming a few months ago, and I’ve been borrowing a buddy’s GW paint collection, but after seeing this video, I’m contemplating getting the vallejo paint set. Thanks guys. Great work!
Perfect timing on this video. I am literally just beginning in the hobby, been watching your videos to get my knowledge up. I went with the army painter set to start. But the Vallejo is my next purchase. So many great reviews for that line of paints.
I have the army painter set and have not had any issues with it really. Just need to give them a good mix up. I may have to check out the Vallejo set though.
My advice for Scale 75 paints: Pull off the nozzle, stir with cocktail stick/tooth pick, add 2-3 drops of airbrush thinner, add a couple of agitators then shake like hell. If you don't then you can shake for an hour and then you'll just squeeze out blobby gel.
Just don't use Scale75s own agitators. I had put them in all of mine, finishing with the metallics. Within about a month, the agitators in the metallics had already started rusting away. I've since gone back to some of the non-metallic S75 paints I first started putting agitators in several months earlier, and have found that while they have generally fared better, they're still rusting.
I haven't tried AMMO of MIG agitators in Scale 75, but I do have some Ammo of Mig paints which came with them included, and they've been completely fine after about 3 years or so sitting on my desk.
I started paint the beginning of this year, my store mostly had Vallejo and do I learned mostly on those paints. Glad to see the I randomly choose a good brand to start the hobby.
Thank you so much! I've been wanting to stay painting my minis for a while but could never figure out what paint to start with (among other things). I'll be buying the Vallejo set my next opportunity.
Anything Vallejo or Army Painter IMHO. Hi Scott.
5:45 is when the actual vid starts
Thank you
Seriously thanks; was about to peace out if he didn't get to the point
Doing the lords work.
You're a fucking legend
Two years ago, I was a new mini-painter looking to upgrade from my line of Apple Barrel craft paints. I had no clue where to start with new paints when this video came up. Using the recommendations, I ended up with the Vallejo starter box. Now I have an entire line of Vallejo. Just gotta say, thank you for making this video.
Just what i needed, returning to painting after a long time away. Need to update my paints. Thanks for the channel, you're doing a great job. Next project for me is to try my hand at painting non metallic metal.
I prefer The Army Painter set. Especially as it includes a wash. They usually need a really good shake to work well.
That’s good to hear because I just bought a lot of army painter paints. Thanks 👍🏻
@@chubbyjaydraws Good stuff, enjoy!
I like Army Painter. And Vallejo. Using them together you get a nice sweet spot.
I am surprised you didn't review the Reaper Miniatures Learn To Paint Bones Kit. On Amazon, it's cheaper than the one you reviewed, comes with two brushes, an instruction book, and comes with 3 minis. That's where I started.
I have both, and the Learn to Paint kit is the better one. Wider range of colors (all bones, which is their best line) and ok brushes.
Metal still sucks though. I don't know why theirs is so problematic, but it's a struggle just to get out of the bottle.
I got that set about a year ago and I love it. Like Jon said about the painting guide from the Army Painter set, the Reaper set comes with a fairly nice 'Get started with painting' guide that takes you from a fairly basic skeleton, to more complex models and techniques (models included).
My only problem with it are the weak metallic colors; I didn't have any trouble getting them out of the bottle, but trouble with their coverage..
I'm surprised too. It has paints, minis, and a how-to guide. My mom just got one for herself on my recommendation. I don't think there is a better starter set, just due to the how-to guides. The Vallejo set looks great; I may have to pick it up to play with their line more... but it doesn't have the user manual. Not what I would start Mom with while I'm not there as a guide. If an instructor or favorite video was recommended... maybe.
As for green paint commentary - I dunno what video-friend is talking about. Greens are all over the place on opacity. I have some S75 Fantasy & Games ones that have some of the worst coverage ever, and some Reaper that go on perfectly. Some Reaper greens don't. The uniting factor in the goodness was the neon-ness of the green. I think that bright saturated greens are like oranges, regardless of brand. Low saturation greens and darker greens rarely are a problem.
The thing about that kit though, is that it's only really half a starter set, you need to combine it with the layer up box to get a full paint set.
I've been watching videos about learning to paint, what paint to buy, etc. all night, and this is by far the best and most informative video I've seen. Thank you so much! This makes my choice for what to buy very simple, and that is super nice when trying to dive into such a daunting hobby like 40k.
Thank you for this. I've been trying to figure out what set to get.
I have to say that I switched to Army Painter from Citadel and I really enjoy the Army Painter range of paints. However Vallejo is definitely the king of the bunch for sure in overall quality. If Vallejo had some kinda pamphlet like Army Painter comes with, it'd be the gold standard.
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Thanks for your work.
You have helped greatly!
I think this video was a massive help, it really gave me some good information on not just the quality of paints, but the quantity and value. Thanks for this video, very educational for new painters.
that is a nice case
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Excellent Video! this is exactly the kind of paint intro Video I needed to see. This one hit all the notes for me, Comprehensive, humor, right amount of detail with thoughtful explanations. Cheers Gentlemen!
God your shit is top notch. Every time I watch a video, I laugh, I cry, I let the credits fade while lightly shaking my head with a cheeky grin. Well done, as usual.
good video... proper good.
I bought a mug you bastard. love me. lol
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More Jon
Wow guys not only a great vid, love your personalities, and actually as a new painter this was the most informative I've seen, thanks so much, ok enough on this cuz I'm now checking the rest of your vids
Like this! Thanks!!! Looking forward to other video of this "BEST *" series.
The army painter giant kit is an even better set. $90 and you get like what? 53 paints? Amazing.
tl;dr:
buy The Army Painter Starter Set, get a good brush, buy a spray varnish, learn to mix colours and get started! the rest comes with time.
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bought the TAP starter set. it's fair priced, gives you all the colours you need to start with, a brush (could be better. I use it for mixing or painting larger areas. not for details, as it's not holding a good tip), but if you buy a decent one, you're set. And you actually get a step by step instruction manual. No other company so far does that. If you're completely new to the hobby, that's what sets you back the most: the lack of instruction. (I don't recommend dipping though, as it is quite a messy technique and you have no control of where the shade is going to end. brush it on.)
I like the limited range of basic colours and the one shade. would I like to have Dark Tone instead of Strong tone? no, as I find Dark Tone too dark. opacity of the paints is okay, kinda like you said in the video.
what I had the most trouble with was indeed the yellow (again, as stated in the video). it needed a couple more layers to cover decently against my expectations, and I was about to scrape it off and restart. still it was less than with GW's Sunburst Yellow (old GW colour range), which was a pain in the rear at any time.
PRO TIP: thin your yellow, paint on one layer, and LET. IT. DRY! repeat with second, third, and so on layers, until it covers nicely. Patience is a virtue in this hobby, folks! Get used to it!
limited range of colours means: Learn To Mix Your Colours!
e.g.: the flesh colour was too pink for my taste, so I added a bit of brown, red, yellow, green and blue: voila! desired flesh tone.
overall, the paints are a good start, to begin with the hobby. over time, your paint range will grow and consist of various brands and types. for example, I use oil paints to create my own washes, or acrylic paints (Golden or Schmincke) from the local artist shop, when I need a large amount of one specific colour, too costly to mix with Vallejo or any other brand. You get lots of thinning mediums, glaze mediums, varnishes, retardents, etc. which requires a lot of testing, reading reviews, asking other painters, but most of the time testing it yourself.
this is my two cents, see you on the flip side.
Great video thanks, I have just ordered a set of paints! 25 Years since I last painted minitures!
This video is actually impressive,at least Im with a big smile in my face,Congrats from Madrid!
This was a great a video.
I totally would like to try the Scale 75 Colours (and wouldn’t mind winning that cultist 👹)!
Also, does Jon have a own channel? He did a supreme job on this video, very enjoyable to watch & listen to.
This is great! I genuinely wish I'd seen a video like this when I was getting into the hobby.
Me too
I love that I found this, I'm just starting and was looking at that exact vallejo set as my first set of paints😅 this to know that it's a good one. 😊 Great ease of mind.
Army painter is my favorite
I loved this review. And in my experience, I agree with everything you said. But I do have something to add.
When I first started, I picked up the Reaper "LEARN TO PAINT" sets (there were two Core skills and Layer up). Each came with 3 minis, 2 brushes, 11 paints, and a booklet with some instructions on miniature painting. One had the absolute basic techniques (Base coats, washing, dry brushing) and the other had more advanced techniques (more detailed base coat layering, shadowing, highlighting, glazing and lining). And the latter came with an empty dropper bottle for water. I have never seen the "starter kit" that you got, and I am glad I didn't get that one. That one sounds more like a product sampler than a kit that's good for beginners.
In my Reaper LTP kits, all of their paints were of the first type you mentioned. The pre-thinned layer-ready variety of paint. And just like you said, eventually I outgrew them. sort of. Reaper also has a thicker variety of paints, too, which I learned when i started buying more colors. The best thing about Reaper is that they're more consistently matte in my experience compared to other companies. My biggest gripes about Reaper is that they separate a lot easier than companies like Vallejo or GW, and even the thicker paints are more watery than I like. That said, while Vallejo has become one of my favorite paints to use in the long run, reaper's got some great variety for beginners, especially with their "triad system" selling paint in 3 bottle sets meant for base coat, shadow, and highlight.
I personally can recommend the Reaper "LEARN TO PAINT" sets for absolute beginners. Even novices who have started getting into the swing of things. Especially as a gift. I appreciated them so much. And their instruction booklets helped as well. Absolutely wonderful. With everything included, it helped me decide that I liked this hobby without having to do a huge buy-in (i got my first one for like $30, which you can't beat for what you get.)
But yeah. If you buy the paints, brushes, and minis separately, and learn through youtube or other places, Vallejo paints is definitely the way to go. Better quality paints, best variety, and great price, too.
Great reviews!
Thanks!
Vallejo is absolutely my favorite -- started with army painter and I am so glad I went in the opposite direction.
How about a 2020 update on this? I'm interested in seeing some of new kids on the block like Monument for example.
I like knock-off Scott. 👍🏻
I like GW paints as well. They are what was available to me when I upgraded from craft paints.
For reaper go for the Learn to paint starter set. It comes with a good amount of their standard paints in solid colors. It also comes with a couple brushes, and minis. It also has a tutorial booklet on how to paint as well as a guide for painting the minis that come with the set.
Thank you for the honest n most precise guides I ever had.
Thank you again