did you not listen to what he said at the start of this video. with what all you are saying i would say no that you did not listen to what he had said he is not rateing the ship as to the best ship but the ship that every one is useing and at lest should have for how useful the ship is in doing lot of other things then jsut pvping. in pvping there is no best ship at all and this goes with warfare too.
Bought and fitted my cloaker Astero as a newbro for 60 million a few years ago. Got ganked by a PanFam Gate Camp during the Federation Grand Prix of that year. Spent 3 years hunting them down. Found myself facing off against them in a war. I lost 60 million. I destroyed 7 billion. The Astero singlehandedly caused me to become one of the youngest JFCs leading QRF Caracal/Drake fleets. Loved patrolling Goon space looking for TEST Blops fleets and hunting PanFam space. 10/10 would revenge kill for the Astero again. Been a few years since I last played. Still think about my homies Rayn0rz, Vexos and scottie007. Raiders Club for LIFE RIP "Supercomputer" Astero o7
The Vexor is a ship that most people flew back in the day, somewhere between a Tristan & an Ishtar. It's probably still in their hold somewhere, gathering dust after they graduated to something better. I have 6 or so, as backups in case something goes sideways.
awesome list! great work as always Loru! I personally like the Loki, but I do agree that T3 cruisers are S tier in general. Great information Sir! I really got some good ideas for ships to try to get into going forward.
The thing is that a covert ops scanner has interdiction nullifier for nullsec. So the astero losses there, it also doesn't have the same scan strength or mids for upgrades.
sure alphas can use the gila to grind isk for omega. But you will also have the largest target on your back, and losing a gila is a great way to suffer instant burnout. I would recommend new players that want to grind abyss to stick with destroyers or a worm.
I will say that one thing being left off the list that should be considered is damage type. Lasers are always below Projectile turrets or Missiles because you are only ever getting EM and Thermal out of a laser limiting how easily some things come down to doing.
I love my cheetah lol. I also like the astero, despite it being worse at scanning/hacking and more expensive the ability to gank other explorers/miners is awesome.
Legion for me is an easy pick above the stratios. Simply because it’s highly customizable, can use drones, use missiles, use lasers, can be a neut platform. Can cloak, probe, linkboost, be bubble immune, etc Lets not talk cost of course, but the stratios is a fan freaking tastic platform, but its not as big of a swiss army knife. The legion is. And I absolutely LOVE the SoE ships, so its not an easy thing to admit for me, but had i to pick one i could NOT fly anymore, id drop the stratios, simply because legion does everything the stratios does, EVEN if it doesnt do certain specializations AS well as the SoE ship, but it does do a lot more and quite potently as well.
Nice vid, would like to see an alpha only ship list like this, but not only regarding certain online lists, but in your own experience and of those around you maybe...if there is not one already that is...
You can do more DED sites in Hecate in HISEC , plus it can fly fast as Hec😅. I know it is specific, but it is the best SOE Arc ship. Plus, it has decent cargo with sub 2 sec and fitting room for a ton uses.
I found this looking for a PVP fit for my Astero. But I thought I'd mention I love my Kronos, but ONLY use it for PVE. Heck no way I would ever take it to low or null.
i'm curious, do you think the vargur is more versatile and better than the kronos? I LOVE gallente ships, but the vulnerability to neuts and the lack of range...the vargur is better. what is your thoughts? this is lord satarra in eve online.
@Loru i give this video a firstclass S ranking. well done. and some of the comments viewers made in live chat was really great.. just one Queston for you @Loru are you doing a live vid on christmas.?
I give your comment a S+ haha, thanks so much for the kind words o7 We will have streams close to Christmas, but most likely not on the day. I will be with family :D
You should do a video abt how to properly hypernet since its friendly for both alpha and omega. Ive made over 700mil from hypernets over 2 weeks (struggling to get a few items to sell and all that but yeah)
So while i found it a bit intresting.... maybe you should have explained doctrine for current A. HS group running Lvl 4 and DEDs - Palladins, and Tengus for LS esclations B. LS group running a gate camp and LS warfare - Faction frigs and Gnosis. C. NS group reacting to someone stealing an ESS. - Vargur and Malidiction D. NS group hunting other NS group. - Redemer and Marshal, Dictors, Harpies E. WH group hunting the wh chain. - Scanning frig with combats, Dictors, Munnin, F. WH group fighting another wh group. Vindi, Leshak, Bhaalgorn, and or if its a pulsar Nighthawks G.WH group farming. Marauders or Dreads. I think training for a ship that helps your Corp is more benificial than blindly training for something that looks cool.
Writing this as the starting AD plays, before the video begins. Loru vid, at one HR +? Sign me the fuck up. I could listen to you mate no matter what you're talking about. Now, what is this video even ABOUT?? :D
I do ghost sites in my gila. No fear of dropping below half shield. Good skills I've hacked 4 boxes in it. MWD, 3 large extenders, hardener, data analyzer. Then immediately fly a 4/10. It will die to T3C 90% of the time tho, so just dont bring to low/null for strictly pve
This list is made by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about - the best pilot can fly any ship and any ship can be the best - it is ALL situational. Some ships are better for long range, others for short range, some are better for tanking, some are better for damage, some are fast, some are slow. Some can fit lots of EWAR, some can only fit lots of low slots.... it is ALL situational which is why the best pilots in the game are the ones who KNOW the most about the game and KNOW the most about any given situation and can react appropriately, kind of like chess. The best pilot in the worst ship is better than the worst pilot in the best ship easily, but again depending on the situation. If all the worst pilot has to do is sit there because the "best" ship is a brick tanked Tengu, then sure.... but again it is situational. The brick tanked Tengu can easily be taken out in the right situation, and it's also not much of a threat, theoretically. Again Tengu can be fit out in so many ways, missiles, blasters, 100mn Afterburner, nano, or pure tank.... Still good video. Eve is the best game ever made.
what this guy is missing about any ships you fly in eve is this one number one rule to never fly any ships that you can not afford to lose at all no matter how much isk you have. if you have so much isk that billion isk ship is nothing to you then fly those billion isk ships if not then only fly the ships that you can easyly replace. if not then no matter how good a ship is then its not all that good for you to fly it. yes i am not only talking about the cost of the hull of the ship but all so the cost of all the fits for that ship too for you will find out real fast that the cost of all the fits for a ship will out cost the hull for that ship. you will have more isks tied up in thte fits then the cost of the hull of any ships. so again the number one rule is only fly ships that you can afford to lose. what most eve players do not do is you need to think ships are like amo that you spend. there is no way that you will be able to keep the ship or ships that you just payed for unless you never ever undock that ship that is.
@lorumerthgaming the addition of life support and the nets and stuff has really hurt faction prices as well as all battle ships prices. I also notice how little u see pirate ships out roaming solo nowadays. Industry feel super complex nowadays, alot of the new stuff we getting in null now days is broken or a straight up downgrade of what we used to have.
thte thing with the drake is that the gallente has the exact same ship but its better then the the drake for it was the only ship that was able to break the shild tank on the drake and that ship is Myrmidon it is able to do everything that the drake can do just better.
@@lorumerthgaming It's a Mexican Spanish word. It's pronounced "HEE-lah", I'm telling you. Gila Monster, Gila City, Arizona, Gila County, AZ. ALL "HEE-lah"..
@Bearak_ I understand you but you dont understand me, also in spanish J is H pron. It should not be in this form in EN client. Similar with triglavian space and ships. Ccp should fix that. Meanwhile let ppl call it whatever thay feel. And I'm slav to be mentioned but throwing letter G infront of someone who speak english is "gee" by default.
wrong about the price of ship eve has nothing to do with any price that somthing cost in eve at all becouse its all player driven is why something does cost what playes have to buy it for and that goes with anything that you pay for in eve its all player driven only.when i first started a magathron back in 2004 cost way under 100mil for it back then now what it sale for is only as high as it is now becouse of players wanted a magathron they would jsut pay more for the ships they wanted amd payers started to sale them at a higher and higher price that they are at now. back in 2004 there was no ships that cost over 200mil little lone over 1 billion like it is now days. if you had 1 billion back in 2004 you would be the richest player in all of eve back then.
The thing I hate is when people say "I must fly this" and "I must fly that". Thats cool if you want to fly them. I'll continue to fly what I want to and not be swayed by the opinions of others. Otherwise CCP wouldnt have given us the option of choosing any of the 300+ ships available.
Boaa man, you got to chill a bit. I am, as most eve players, well over 30 and you act like the 15 year old kid telling the newest stories from fortnite. The topic is good and interesting... But chill man chill.. ok from the middle of three vid you did a bit
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The best ship in eve is friendship. Hands down can never lose
1000000% correct
Nope... scripts are
did you not listen to what he said at the start of this video. with what all you are saying i would say no that you did not listen to what he had said he is not rateing the ship as to the best ship but the ship that every one is useing and at lest should have for how useful the ship is in doing lot of other things then jsut pvping. in pvping there is no best ship at all and this goes with warfare too.
Friendship? As a solo PVP-er, I just threw up in my mouth a little
I mean yea, if you got the ISK for it.
Bought and fitted my cloaker Astero as a newbro for 60 million a few years ago. Got ganked by a PanFam Gate Camp during the Federation Grand Prix of that year. Spent 3 years hunting them down. Found myself facing off against them in a war. I lost 60 million. I destroyed 7 billion.
The Astero singlehandedly caused me to become one of the youngest JFCs leading QRF Caracal/Drake fleets. Loved patrolling Goon space looking for TEST Blops fleets and hunting PanFam space. 10/10 would revenge kill for the Astero again.
Been a few years since I last played. Still think about my homies Rayn0rz, Vexos and scottie007. Raiders Club for LIFE
RIP "Supercomputer" Astero o7
If you like this kind of content, like this vid!! My team and I are paying attention to how well it does 👀
The Vexor is a ship that most people flew back in the day, somewhere between a Tristan & an Ishtar. It's probably still in their hold somewhere, gathering dust after they graduated to something better.
I have 6 or so, as backups in case something goes sideways.
fair enough
My Vexor is a hand-me-down to each new toon I add, to hold them over for "kill 25 rats" / "50 LP" tasks till I get them trained to their T2 ships
awesome list! great work as always Loru! I personally like the Loki, but I do agree that T3 cruisers are S tier in general. Great information Sir! I really got some good ideas for ships to try to get into going forward.
super agree, glad you enjoyed!!
I still love the description when you pull up the Drake.
"It has been brought." - Unknown Caldari Pilot
truly correct
The thing is that a covert ops scanner has interdiction nullifier for nullsec. So the astero losses there, it also doesn't have the same scan strength or mids for upgrades.
huge agree
Just use a stiletto. Nullifed and instwarp, 106 scan strength once trained. Only smartbombs can catch it
sure alphas can use the gila to grind isk for omega. But you will also have the largest target on your back, and losing a gila is a great way to suffer instant burnout. I would recommend new players that want to grind abyss to stick with destroyers or a worm.
Worm good
I will say that one thing being left off the list that should be considered is damage type. Lasers are always below Projectile turrets or Missiles because you are only ever getting EM and Thermal out of a laser limiting how easily some things come down to doing.
sounds like we need a weapon tier list :O
@lorumerthgaming That would actually be amazing, then I could stop having to explain to my friends what weapons are good and bad lol
@@lorumerthgaming awesome. Weapons tier would be great!!
Heron is S tier. It's the most profitable ship. Throwaway ship that prints ISK. One good run buys 10 fully fitted ships. Just saying.
I think the Probe ist better 😊
Boom huge True
I love my cheetah lol. I also like the astero, despite it being worse at scanning/hacking and more expensive the ability to gank other explorers/miners is awesome.
Legion for me is an easy pick above the stratios.
Simply because it’s highly customizable, can use drones, use missiles, use lasers, can be a neut platform.
Can cloak, probe, linkboost, be bubble immune, etc
Lets not talk cost of course, but the stratios is a fan freaking tastic platform, but its not as big of a swiss army knife. The legion is.
And I absolutely LOVE the SoE ships, so its not an easy thing to admit for me, but had i to pick one i could NOT fly anymore, id drop the stratios, simply because legion does everything the stratios does, EVEN if it doesnt do certain specializations AS well as the SoE ship, but it does do a lot more and quite potently as well.
Huge points yaya
Nice vid, would like to see an alpha only ship list like this, but not only regarding certain online lists, but in your own experience and of those around you maybe...if there is not one already that is...
a GREAT idea
I watched this live and I’m still going to watch this I love your content mate 🫡
MY MAN
You sold me on the Astero!
Yessir!!!
As a long time wormholer its hands down the best ship in the game. SOE rule Wormhole space. o7
Great content because it makes you think strategically and philosophy of use.
Yayayaya
LOVE THIS eve player since 2009
glad you did
You can do more DED sites in Hecate in HISEC , plus it can fly fast as Hec😅. I know it is specific, but it is the best SOE Arc ship. Plus, it has decent cargo with sub 2 sec and fitting room for a ton uses.
all great points!
... I am still saving for an Avalanche, d'oh! David Coker
Gooooood
How about rifter, thrasher or stubber?
Soon
I found this looking for a PVP fit for my Astero. But I thought I'd mention I love my Kronos, but ONLY use it for PVE. Heck no way I would ever take it to low or null.
true facts
Nice vid man!
ty fam
love the tengu man
Same
i'm curious, do you think the vargur is more versatile and better than the kronos? I LOVE gallente ships, but the vulnerability to neuts and the lack of range...the vargur is better. what is your thoughts? this is lord satarra in eve online.
Don't think it's better, but it is def more used
These are all combat ships, what about haulers? Everybody needs to haul stuff. For Omegas, transport ships are definitely S-tier.
Ahhh the vindi miss my days of X up for DDD (drone bunny) duty call her The pride of Serpentis Warp to me was fire back then
yessir!!!
@Loru i give this video a firstclass S ranking. well done. and some of the comments viewers made in live chat was really great.. just one Queston for you @Loru are you doing a live vid on christmas.?
I give your comment a S+ haha, thanks so much for the kind words o7
We will have streams close to Christmas, but most likely not on the day. I will be with family :D
I'd love to see this expanded until you end up tiering out every ship, if only to see what hits S for you.
Yessir! More to come
Stratios is S tier.
might be
You should do a video abt how to properly hypernet since its friendly for both alpha and omega. Ive made over 700mil from hypernets over 2 weeks (struggling to get a few items to sell and all that but yeah)
A great idea !!
@@lorumerthgaming ty I just realized how much I was making off it and was like "oh shoot I bet a bunch of people would find this helpful"
So while i found it a bit intresting.... maybe you should have explained doctrine for current
A. HS group running Lvl 4 and DEDs - Palladins, and Tengus for LS esclations
B. LS group running a gate camp and LS warfare - Faction frigs and Gnosis.
C. NS group reacting to someone stealing an ESS. - Vargur and Malidiction
D. NS group hunting other NS group. - Redemer and Marshal, Dictors, Harpies
E. WH group hunting the wh chain. - Scanning frig with combats, Dictors, Munnin,
F. WH group fighting another wh group. Vindi, Leshak, Bhaalgorn, and or if its a pulsar Nighthawks
G.WH group farming. Marauders or Dreads.
I think training for a ship that helps your Corp is more benificial than blindly training for something that looks cool.
great ideas!!
NS responses in general to gangs is more like: vargur, huginn, vagabond, lachesis, celestis, ceptors
Writing this as the starting AD plays, before the video begins. Loru vid, at one HR +? Sign me the fuck up. I could listen to you mate no matter what you're talking about. Now, what is this video even ABOUT?? :D
you'll see >:)
Battle Orca!!!! We all need one😂😂😂😂
we really do
@ imagine 2 battle Orcas buffing, some aux to keep them alive and 100 Battle-Ventures jumping into a real sub cap fight😂😂😂😂😂😂
Legitimately think the Vexor should be flown more than the Drake.
Fair point
I do ghost sites in my gila. No fear of dropping below half shield. Good skills I've hacked 4 boxes in it. MWD, 3 large extenders, hardener, data analyzer. Then immediately fly a 4/10. It will die to T3C 90% of the time tho, so just dont bring to low/null for strictly pve
Great points
I find Catalyst is best cheap PVE Salvager ship. Every player should use even if they aren't ganking. S tier.
What tier is Coercer?
huge agree
This list is made by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about - the best pilot can fly any ship and any ship can be the best - it is ALL situational. Some ships are better for long range, others for short range, some are better for tanking, some are better for damage, some are fast, some are slow. Some can fit lots of EWAR, some can only fit lots of low slots.... it is ALL situational which is why the best pilots in the game are the ones who KNOW the most about the game and KNOW the most about any given situation and can react appropriately, kind of like chess. The best pilot in the worst ship is better than the worst pilot in the best ship easily, but again depending on the situation. If all the worst pilot has to do is sit there because the "best" ship is a brick tanked Tengu, then sure.... but again it is situational. The brick tanked Tengu can easily be taken out in the right situation, and it's also not much of a threat, theoretically. Again Tengu can be fit out in so many ways, missiles, blasters, 100mn Afterburner, nano, or pure tank....
Still good video. Eve is the best game ever made.
lets do a tristan fleet
i'm in
Ishtar blows the Drake away.
just might
what headphones are those?
Just started the vid, but I was actually thinking this was a good idea for one a week ago.
enjoy it!!
End game players hehe, it never ends! This end game player still has many pvp vexors itching to fight! Fun video!
more vexors the better
what this guy is missing about any ships you fly in eve is this one number one rule to never fly any ships that you can not afford to lose at all no matter how much isk you have. if you have so much isk that billion isk ship is nothing to you then fly those billion isk ships if not then only fly the ships that you can easyly replace. if not then no matter how good a ship is then its not all that good for you to fly it. yes i am not only talking about the cost of the hull of the ship but all so the cost of all the fits for that ship too for you will find out real fast that the cost of all the fits for a ship will out cost the hull for that ship. you will have more isks tied up in thte fits then the cost of the hull of any ships. so again the number one rule is only fly ships that you can afford to lose. what most eve players do not do is you need to think ships are like amo that you spend. there is no way that you will be able to keep the ship or ships that you just payed for unless you never ever undock that ship that is.
Only fly what you can afford to lose :)
By the way Zkill stats aren't necessarily accurate - lots of the "kills" people get on killboard are effectively meaningless.
kinda sucks how much faction battle ships cost nowaday.......
I agree
@lorumerthgaming the addition of life support and the nets and stuff has really hurt faction prices as well as all battle ships prices. I also notice how little u see pirate ships out roaming solo nowadays. Industry feel super complex nowadays, alot of the new stuff we getting in null now days is broken or a straight up downgrade of what we used to have.
can i bring my draaaaaaake lol that got me. iykyk
😌😌😌
Thanks Loru o7
no, thank YOU
best alpha ship is worm hands down!
Might agree
Astero is S tier
Stratios is A tier
There it is
Um.... can I have a Gila? David Coker
;)
9 mins in, please bring back you usual background music! It is part of your brand as far as I am concerned.... Everything else, spot on so far!
Yup seconded. Bring back old soundtrack lorumirth patented 😅
Haha i hear you. Stream vids have their own background music (from stream)! We will see ;)
thte thing with the drake is that the gallente has the exact same ship but its better then the the drake for it was the only ship that was able to break the shild tank on the drake and that ship is Myrmidon it is able to do everything that the drake can do just better.
Love the myrm
The Tristan wants to be an Astero when it grows up.
THAT'S.... entirely accurate
NO RAPTOR ON THE LIST???? OUTRAGEOUS!
CRAZY AMIRITE
@Loru Gila = HEE-lah.
Nah G for me 😆
@@lorumerthgaming It's a Mexican Spanish word. It's pronounced "HEE-lah", I'm telling you. Gila Monster, Gila City, Arizona, Gila County, AZ. ALL "HEE-lah"..
@Bearaksso its mistake from ccp cuz in en client it should be named Heela then.
@@bobar84c No, the word is Gila. It's pronounced "HEE-lah" because it's a Spanish-origin word. Jeez, people, this isn't complicated.
@Bearak_ I understand you but you dont understand me, also in spanish J is H pron. It should not be in this form in EN client. Similar with triglavian space and ships. Ccp should fix that. Meanwhile let ppl call it whatever thay feel. And I'm slav to be mentioned but throwing letter G infront of someone who speak english is "gee" by default.
wrong about the price of ship eve has nothing to do with any price that somthing cost in eve at all becouse its all player driven is why something does cost what playes have to buy it for and that goes with anything that you pay for in eve its all player driven only.when i first started a magathron back in 2004 cost way under 100mil for it back then now what it sale for is only as high as it is now becouse of players wanted a magathron they would jsut pay more for the ships they wanted amd payers started to sale them at a higher and higher price that they are at now. back in 2004 there was no ships that cost over 200mil little lone over 1 billion like it is now days. if you had 1 billion back in 2004 you would be the richest player in all of eve back then.
Everything is more now
We are definately missing my beloved Nightmare in S-Tier!
A fair point
The thing I hate is when people say "I must fly this" and "I must fly that".
Thats cool if you want to fly them. I'll continue to fly what I want to and not be swayed by the opinions of others.
Otherwise CCP wouldnt have given us the option of choosing any of the 300+ ships available.
fly what you want fam
No Raven?, these are sad day's.
one day
Ah yes, good old malice. I use it all the time for FW.
bro uses malice
@@lorumerthgaming sir, the picture in your list is a malice
First?
Yes 🎉
bro did it
Im surprised Cyclone was not your tier list. Surely beats Drake (alpha blinged)
Might be on the next one 👀
Boaa man, you got to chill a bit. I am, as most eve players, well over 30 and you act like the 15 year old kid telling the newest stories from fortnite. The topic is good and interesting... But chill man chill.. ok from the middle of three vid you did a bit
you can reduce the video speed in the youtube player :)
o7
O7
Loru
Please give me a gila - IGN Cardinal Phallic
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