Small comment: Amateur dan rankings only go up to 7 dan, not 9. Wasn't really sure where I could report things like this on the site since I don't use Discord.
That's true, thanks! However since most Go servers allow you to climb up to 9 dan and different countries use various ranking systems too we thought it'd be easier to visualize - 9 dan - 9 pro dan
Interesting, nigiri 握りor in the video clip 握ろう (let me…) actually means “to grab.” I like this cultural intersection and fusion here. The Japanese roll Nigiri also is the same root, since traditional they make those by “grabbing.”
0:38 I got into Go cuz of the live-action drama with the same anime name (Hikaru No Go), but it’s a Chinese drama, and it was so good but not as good as the OG. 👍🏻✨
Thanks for the explanation. So are you a 4 dan professional? I saw the 4d next to your name, so I decided to ask. Can you make an explanation regarding the correlation or lack thereof between dan scores and elo scores?
That correlation is not quite straightforward unfortunately. Every Go server and country has a slightly different rating system... Vadim is an amateur 4 dan, not professional (sadly) =)
The rating system in Go is similar to Elo but with its own twists. In official federations, like KGA, your dan/kyu rank is directly connected to your rating based on tournament results. However, on online Go servers like Fox Go Server, the rank you see can be calculated differently and might not always align perfectly with official ranks.
Thank you🙏, this made this thing so much simple and clear for New Go players like me. I wanted to ask one thing, I just started playing on OGS so if there I get from 1Kyu to 1Dan . will it automatically make me a Professional or have to register in the mentioned leagues to get the title ? (Sorry if it sounds weird but I am seriously wondering as I just began playing Go after playing Chess and Go isn't popular in my country at all, who can guide or give info about it)😅
Your rank on OGS will just change from 1k to 1d...then 2d, that's still a long way from professional ranks. Don't worry about professional leagues for now, just play and enjoy it. By the time you get to the dan ranks you will certainly have more information about how ranks work and how strong professional players are.
@@GoMagic Oh Thank you so much🙏. I watched your other videos too and I don't know ho you much things so simple and easy to understand. Really appreciate it a lot New Sub here😊🙌 Lots of ❤from India :)
@@244.harshittiwari2 I would not want to discourage you (and I do not know how old you are) but typically professional players start really young. There is effectively no chance of making it to professional if you are already 20 or older!
I do not really agree that 9 stones is the highest handicap. I have given as many as 25 stones to a beginner wanting to play 19x19, and regularly play on 19x19 giving about 18 stones, again to someone a lot weaker than me (I am ~6 kyu) who just likes to play on the big board. Of course it is different from playing an equally strong player, but we have fun. Sensei’s Library gives some traditional placings for higher handicaps.
Honestly I would have preferred if they used the Elo rating system that FIDE uses for Chess. Master and Grandmaster sound way more cool. Besides it's also a much more accurate system using 1000+ as a measuring system. Is there an international GO association like FIDE?
@@GoMagic Do you perhaps know which Federation or Association holds the most power worldwide? I assume maybe the Korean or Japanese one? I'm new to GO but I'm a chess player and I'm fascinated with this game I would like to get involved.
The Online Go Client app (for the OGS server) shows both kyu/dan level as well as ELO level. I'm currently 7k and 1440 per ELO. I personally prefer the kyu/dan system, but that's just me.
I'm going to guess rankings are like that... Top 10ish players of all time - Super GrandMaster 9th Dan - Grandmaster 7-8th Dan - International Master 5-6th Dan - FIDE Master 3-4th Dan - National Master 1-2nd Dan - Candidate Master
@@eonfluxparadox The European Go Federation runs the European Go Database, which registers all half-way important European tournaments and is Elo-based, though it shows traditional ranks as well. Traditional ranks tie in nicely with the handicap system, though one stone per 100 Elo is not difficult either! I believe the American Go Association does similar stuff. But you are right that the Asians are a lot more influential. Different servers and different organisations differ by a few stones in their rankings.
@@GoMagic It would be good for those who are "utilitarian" and don't care too much for tradition. Win the coin flip and you pick the color. Maybe we should start using the starting customs from the 19th Century, like _sen-ni_ (black for even, then 2 stones handi) and _sen-ai-sen_ (black, white, and black again, all even games). As well, there should be a custom of playing a certain number of games on Black or a handicap and if all the games are won, the handicap is decreased or White is offered. If half the games are lost, the handicap will remain the same. If all of the games are lost, then the handicap is increased by one stone.
I'm getting more and more fascinated by Go with each video I watch.
That’s fantastic! 😊 Go really is a game that pulls you in the more you learn about it.
1:01 I may be nitpicking here, but I think Akira said “Komi is 5.5 [points]” here instead of 6.5
Haha indeed, but we adapted it to modern day rules.
3:39 I fell for it 🤣
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Same I was like wow I’ve never heard of this!!
Awesome vid as always! Beautifully edited, love the Hikaru no Go extract.
Yessss!
As usual, a clear explanation and fun to watch!
Thaaaanks!
very interesting and informative. really deserves more views
The views are coming we hope =) Thanks!
I love this game and I loved that show, I just wish I knew more players…
Try searching for some Go clubs in your area. =)
Best Go channel.
Small comment: Amateur dan rankings only go up to 7 dan, not 9.
Wasn't really sure where I could report things like this on the site since I don't use Discord.
That's true, thanks! However since most Go servers allow you to climb up to 9 dan and different countries use various ranking systems too we thought it'd be easier to visualize - 9 dan - 9 pro dan
Does it not depend on the system: I find 6 8-dan players in the EGD - or are they all professional?
Interesting, nigiri 握りor in the video clip 握ろう (let me…) actually means “to grab.” I like this cultural intersection and fusion here. The Japanese roll Nigiri also is the same root, since traditional they make those by “grabbing.”
0:38 I got into Go cuz of the live-action drama with the same anime name (Hikaru No Go), but it’s a Chinese drama, and it was so good but not as good as the OG. 👍🏻✨
Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. But the important thing is that it brought some attention to the game of Go.
Thanks for the explanation. So are you a 4 dan professional? I saw the 4d next to your name, so I decided to ask. Can you make an explanation regarding the correlation or lack thereof between dan scores and elo scores?
That correlation is not quite straightforward unfortunately. Every Go server and country has a slightly different rating system...
Vadim is an amateur 4 dan, not professional (sadly) =)
A great explanation.
Glad you liked it!
How is your dan rating determined? Is it something like Elo ratings?
The rating system in Go is similar to Elo but with its own twists.
In official federations, like KGA, your dan/kyu rank is directly connected to your rating based on tournament results. However, on online Go servers like Fox Go Server, the rank you see can be calculated differently and might not always align perfectly with official ranks.
nice to see Hikaru no go. That show taught me everything I knew before I hit 20kyu
Yeah, that's a great show.
Got me with the magic ranks
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Thank you🙏, this made this thing so much simple and clear for New Go players like me. I wanted to ask one thing, I just started playing on OGS so if there I get from 1Kyu to 1Dan . will it automatically make me a Professional or have to register in the mentioned leagues to get the title ?
(Sorry if it sounds weird but I am seriously wondering as I just began playing Go after playing Chess and Go isn't popular in my country at all, who can guide or give info about it)😅
Your rank on OGS will just change from 1k to 1d...then 2d, that's still a long way from professional ranks. Don't worry about professional leagues for now, just play and enjoy it. By the time you get to the dan ranks you will certainly have more information about how ranks work and how strong professional players are.
@@GoMagic Oh Thank you so much🙏. I watched your other videos too and I don't know ho you much things so simple and easy to understand. Really appreciate it a lot
New Sub here😊🙌
Lots of ❤from India :)
@@244.harshittiwari2 I would not want to discourage you (and I do not know how old you are) but typically professional players start really young. There is effectively no chance of making it to professional if you are already 20 or older!
@@PJTraill Is there some age registeration for that ?
I do not really agree that 9 stones is the highest handicap. I have given as many as 25 stones to a beginner wanting to play 19x19, and regularly play on 19x19 giving about 18 stones, again to someone a lot weaker than me (I am ~6 kyu) who just likes to play on the big board. Of course it is different from playing an equally strong player, but we have fun. Sensei’s Library gives some traditional placings for higher handicaps.
Of course one can even put 50 handicap stones, no problem with that as long as everyone is having fun. But traditionally 9 stones is the standard.
how would (or rather could) you determine your rank in offline non-tournament only?
I think you could determine your rank by tracking your progress in games against similarly skilled opponents.
Honestly I would have preferred if they used the Elo rating system that FIDE uses for Chess. Master and Grandmaster sound way more cool. Besides it's also a much more accurate system using 1000+ as a measuring system. Is there an international GO association like FIDE?
Yes, there is. International Go Federation. It doesn't have much weight though, that's why you probably never heard of it.
@@GoMagic Do you perhaps know which Federation or Association holds the most power worldwide? I assume maybe the Korean or Japanese one? I'm new to GO but I'm a chess player and I'm fascinated with this game I would like to get involved.
The Online Go Client app (for the OGS server) shows both kyu/dan level as well as ELO level. I'm currently 7k and 1440 per ELO.
I personally prefer the kyu/dan system, but that's just me.
I'm going to guess rankings are like that...
Top 10ish players of all time - Super GrandMaster
9th Dan - Grandmaster
7-8th Dan - International Master
5-6th Dan - FIDE Master
3-4th Dan - National Master
1-2nd Dan - Candidate Master
@@eonfluxparadox The European Go Federation runs the European Go Database, which registers all half-way important European tournaments and is Elo-based, though it shows traditional ranks as well. Traditional ranks tie in nicely with the handicap system, though one stone per 100 Elo is not difficult either! I believe the American Go Association does similar stuff. But you are right that the Asians are a lot more influential. Different servers and different organisations differ by a few stones in their rankings.
Flipping a coin to determine who picks color sounds like something good for those who might not like doing nigiri.
Where's the ancient elegance in that? =))
@@GoMagic It would be good for those who are "utilitarian" and don't care too much for tradition. Win the coin flip and you pick the color.
Maybe we should start using the starting customs from the 19th Century, like _sen-ni_ (black for even, then 2 stones handi) and _sen-ai-sen_ (black, white, and black again, all even games). As well, there should be a custom of playing a certain number of games on Black or a handicap and if all the games are won, the handicap is decreased or White is offered. If half the games are lost, the handicap will remain the same. If all of the games are lost, then the handicap is increased by one stone.
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First of all nigiri uses the equipment you are guaranteed to have. Secondly, why would someone “not like doing nigiri”?
@@hananokuni2580 I would vote the 2nd paragraph up and the 1st down. I agree that long matches with traditional sliding handicaps sound interesting.
I have been trying to search for the outro music everywhere!
Just some standard outro music =)
His gaming shirts are on point
=)
I'd much rather have the komi than an extra stone if they're just a slightly higher kyu.
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