Futures Prop Firm Review | I was WRONG!

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  • I may have changed my mind on futures prop firms and here is a review about it
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  • @TradesbyMatt
    @TradesbyMatt 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    I’ll be following along on your journey! Good luck on the futures side!

    • @tiagoelias2620
      @tiagoelias2620 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JaimeGarcia-kx8cs They are at @KimmelUnscripted

  • @Nickspizza413
    @Nickspizza413 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah I was confused about that too. Thanks for the vid.

  • @toolsgenie
    @toolsgenie หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The video you're referring to shows in benzinga
    the owner of Apex giving cautious advice to the interviewer. He says something like, "Take it easy. We give you an account of $300,000 and 30 mini contracts, but the ideal will be for you to make, for example, a buffer of about $65,000 and then start increasing the contracts." Essentially, he is recommending to the interviewer not to use the entire account and all available contracts at once, but rather to reserve a significant portion as a buffer to guard against losses and gradually increase exposure as they gain more experience and confidence.

  • @kidsosa2417
    @kidsosa2417 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very informative Kimmel !

  • @Filkos146
    @Filkos146 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    YO @KIMMEL WHEN THE NEXT LIVESTREAM? WE MISS YOUR DEEP AND WELL THOUGHT THROUGH INSIGHTS....!

  • @maniv2119
    @maniv2119 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Kimmel do you have a 'how to trade futures' video?
    As i trade forex and know nothing about futures, contracts etc etc
    Cheers

  • @danielcouturier6037
    @danielcouturier6037 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Trades by Matt is awesome and you are right.... apex and futures is a different way of thinking. Love your videos!!

  • @ForestTrader22
    @ForestTrader22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i like Your videos .. they are like news update on Prop Firms industry :)

  • @cripz1436
    @cripz1436 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have recently started thinking about having a buffer on a few funded accounts once I make enough for a payout and more. But I think doing it on personal accounts will free you from the drawdown limits to compounds more freely.

  • @christucker5914
    @christucker5914 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One of the big things that you're still not realizing is the eod drawdown versus the interday trailing w/ Apex. Literally the only advantage that Apex has is the 20 account limit and copy trading, without that It's not even a competition.

  • @roberthatch8829
    @roberthatch8829 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The trailing drawdown stops after $100 of profit on a pa account if I’m not mistaken

  • @user-ib2kv6rs4j
    @user-ib2kv6rs4j หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can you explain this by writing like the previous video on chart

  • @LaloTsu
    @LaloTsu หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Trailing stop in topstep stops once you reach 2k not 3k in the 50k account.

    • @FernandoRamirez-te1vs
      @FernandoRamirez-te1vs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Does that mean when you have 2k in profit you can theoretically lose 4k before they take away your account?

  • @jonjpeterson
    @jonjpeterson 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the other mindset shifts is the minimum trades, which leads me to lean toward the larger account size. With the 50k account you still need to take 10 trading days, not 10 trades, but 10 trading days to request a payout.

  • @mx23rider81
    @mx23rider81 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yet to sww anybody get a payout from any prop firm..

  • @lvdeluxe1
    @lvdeluxe1 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Their buffers will one day disappear when the firms close down. Take your money and RUN?

  • @Nadimimani
    @Nadimimani หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    As a non-us trader, I prefer CFD firms all fucking day! the business model is changing, they will add maximum profit in funding accounts, and I'm still cool with that! 5% per month with big capital is my goal!

    • @iZerodark30
      @iZerodark30 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Facts.

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      100% me too

    • @CzarinaLouaniAndrada
      @CzarinaLouaniAndrada หลายเดือนก่อน

      @nadimimani so what are the examples of cfd firms?

    • @user-sr2cw1ol2v
      @user-sr2cw1ol2v หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who tell u they will make this 5 percent u say

    • @Nadimimani
      @Nadimimani หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CzarinaLouaniAndrada FTMO Funding pips alpha capital etc

  • @arpitsharma009
    @arpitsharma009 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OneUp Trader How is that ?

  • @NSCRAZYFREAK
    @NSCRAZYFREAK หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what camera are you using , its so crispy

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sony a7IV, with an amazing 50mm f1.4 lense G Master (the lense does a lot of the heavy lifting)

  • @avono5330
    @avono5330 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    7:13 if firms offered security, then a lot more people would be doing that method, but it’s safer to just take money out

  • @AnukaRatnajeewa-od2hi
    @AnukaRatnajeewa-od2hi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    u cant full margin in futures because they have consistency rules

  • @kouavang7819
    @kouavang7819 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In reality its about business, sure you need to follow rules but this goes everytime you borrow money for your business such shark tank tv show, loans, credit cards etc.

  • @traderfacts
    @traderfacts 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The trailing drawdown also stops trailing at $50,100 once you get to $52,600

    • @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev
      @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Changed the game once I understood this

  • @nene3176
    @nene3176 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    wat i have learned from future props is that they actually seem to teach good habits and promote trading smart with good risk management also praising good trading

    • @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev
      @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed, TopStep doenst allow the 1 Day pass which is a benefit for people to be honest

  • @darksidelyrical1521
    @darksidelyrical1521 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Plz explain me what is the mean of 150/month for a specific plan like is it mean that I have to pay 150$ every month until I passes the account?

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, you pay monthly

  • @ZeroFloat.
    @ZeroFloat. หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you are from Portugal right? How this Apex international withdrawal policy working out for you? Any delays or problems?

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haven’t gotten any withdrawals from apex

    • @jambear7862
      @jambear7862 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am in uk and have had successful withdrawal thanks

  • @nunobrito96
    @nunobrito96 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The way I like to see it is this:
    Futures prop firms are 2 step challenges masked as a 1 step. Why? Because you can't withdraw until you reach the amount of your available drawdown in profits, so I always see that "profit" as the second phase of the challenge and therefore I don't like to see it as "my money" (and use it as buffer), only the money after that

    • @kaanabee813
      @kaanabee813 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly! I blew my funded accounts with apex because i could not get through the trailing dd. That don't make any sense. They put layers of pressure on traders just to not pay them.

    • @bio-hazzard1233
      @bio-hazzard1233 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Except with MFF you can withdraw within your buffer one time and there’s no consistency rule on expert accounts which is why I like them best. If you’re a good trader you can get paid out thousands within two trades off a 120 dollar investment

  • @marlinsfan8767
    @marlinsfan8767 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    although I agree with you that Apex is one of the best futures trading firms out there, I have a couple of issues with their business model: first is the unnecessary hurdles to be paid. The required minimum balance (above the dynamic trailing drawdown) combined with minimum trading days, etc. makes it quite difficult, especially for new traders, to get a payout once they are in that phase. Second is the unnecessary 30% consistency rule. They argue that they want consistent traders, not gamblers, but then immediately they offer a one-day to pass promo in the evaluation accounts which is an invitation to take unnecessary risks and gamble just to try to pass in one day.

    • @mikozaire58
      @mikozaire58 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well considered post.
      Apex like MacDonalds is a business with shareholders or owners. It’s designed to make money. Their model is for 95% to fail initially or progressively as rules are updated. Cash cows, designed to make a lot of money quickly. Once they mature they will no doubt evolve their model.

    • @marlinsfan8767
      @marlinsfan8767 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mikozaire58 if your profits depend on your customers failing, then your business model is doomed to fail too. but, just like you write, they will evolve. I hope they do. Until then, I'm not touching Apex not even with a 10-ft pole.

  • @user-ib2kv6rs4j
    @user-ib2kv6rs4j หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We believe you

  • @vicdubc2309
    @vicdubc2309 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was bitter at first when sft went under since i was 4% profitable about to pass my eval. Switched over to futures being the US i didnt have a choice. One month later I just got funded for my first time ever after trying for 3 yrs. To your point my goal was to get funded and swing for the fences and get a huge oay iut and leave. With futures my approach is more long term amd seeing i can make alot of money eith just 1:1 and 1:2. Im not attempting 1:10s as it doesnt fit my plan. Futures is the way. blessing in disguise

  • @Daytradingwithdevin
    @Daytradingwithdevin 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do the 25k the draw down is 1500 the target is 1500...I can trade 4 minis max...witch is plenty...I actually trade micros like trading with Travis multiple accounts running micros adds up fast and much safer

  • @Adam_maalim
    @Adam_maalim หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One step accounts also work like that man.... still you don't know much about cfds 😅

  • @AM-cp5vk
    @AM-cp5vk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What’s maximum loss

  • @thetrendstrader
    @thetrendstrader วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those live traders are partnered with the firm and the firm pay a very good amout to trade their account live. I am not sure, but they may also get free challenges for the promotion of the product.

  • @dan-k79
    @dan-k79 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does your course cover trading futures? or Forex?

  • @JOYTECHSoumitrapathakkingboss
    @JOYTECHSoumitrapathakkingboss 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    still 5 Eras and alpha capital living in this hard prop time

  • @FernandoRamirez-te1vs
    @FernandoRamirez-te1vs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kimmel do you like bring me the horizon? I could have swore I heard you hum sleepwalking, on one of your lives lol

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hahaha, old bring me the horizon was great

    • @FernandoRamirez-te1vs
      @FernandoRamirez-te1vs หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KimmelTrading bro sempiternal was their best album 🤘I’d be listening to that album when I trade London session lol

  • @realDesertRat
    @realDesertRat 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I mean it should have been a clear sign when majority were using $50k.

  • @losfargo
    @losfargo 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    they don't allow swing trading which a big blow for me

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, I believe no futures firm allows swing trading

    • @losfargo
      @losfargo 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KimmelTrading that's really sucks i hope they change that rule

  • @johnstranger9886
    @johnstranger9886 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    having trailing drawdown that locks in at starting balance forcing you to keep a buffer out of your own profits made = means exactly = that you're better off trading CFDs on a broker with your own money using more leverage and getting 100% of your profits and not paying any monthly fees
    I said it and I'll say it again, it's a shitty deal to pay for even if you don't have a choice, at least with like FTMO you pay 500$ to have a chance of getting 10,000 to play with and can withdraw without needing to keep a buffer

    • @johnstranger9886
      @johnstranger9886 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No wonder they say it's real accounts! like why not? it's only your profits at risk, if you lose your profits you lose the account

  • @Elevatedace1
    @Elevatedace1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Top step trading conditions are harsh , u have to make $200+ 5 days (not consecutive) before a payout (every single time you want a payout btw) and you only get 50% and to increase your split you have to have had 30 days of making $200+, it doesn’t have to be consecutive but it’s terrible and then also you cannot withdraw all of your profit, if u make 4500 and take it all out, your account will be closed because your profits is essentially your drawdown as well, so whatever u leave in there, is your cushion, terrible terrible rules I do not recommend it

  • @steelslingshot
    @steelslingshot หลายเดือนก่อน

    within the same prop, why aren't the rules similar/proportional across all account sizes?

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because lower account sizes have lower risk

    • @steelslingshot
      @steelslingshot หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KimmelTrading how so? Some of people are copy trading 20 50k accounts raising the firm's exposure to 1 million

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@steelslingshot Because while 100 try, 99 fail

    • @steelslingshot
      @steelslingshot หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KimmelTrading yes but that applies to all account sizes so the question remains. Seems to be more of a marketing strategy imho

  • @binujikeerthiwardena9367
    @binujikeerthiwardena9367 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Prop firm accounts offer more power and resources thats why i go ahead with prop firms like The5ers.

  • @Ki11ah_pips
    @Ki11ah_pips หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    3%-5% Trailling Drawdown is just a scam

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, compared to CFD firms, for sure

  • @ICT-BRK-MMXM
    @ICT-BRK-MMXM 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes. That's been my goal since last year. Not that I'm better at spotting when to get in the market and have gotten more patient that is my goal to get multiple prop firm accounts and go for $500-1k/day x15 50k accounts and that is good living. Good video

  • @NinjaPaper8
    @NinjaPaper8 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Precision Funding is the new best futures prop firm they’re taking down apex

  • @fahimshahariar6179
    @fahimshahariar6179 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    but LOVE FOREX CFD .

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Futures props make us appreciate CFD props so much more hahah

  • @Thaprince9
    @Thaprince9 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's not really a "$50k account", it's $50k worth of Buying Power. It's really a $2500 account.

    • @gomesdiogo
      @gomesdiogo 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thanks sherlock

  • @kaanabee813
    @kaanabee813 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I blew my apex funded accounts. Their rules on funded accounts make no sense. We still have to get pass the trailing to consider having a payout. They are putting too much pressure on traders, just to not pay.

    • @jerimyganut3652
      @jerimyganut3652 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Ive been trading with apex for 2 years, i have never heard of anyone not getting paid out?

    • @Indicesproptrader
      @Indicesproptrader หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have multiple accounts and trade them separately

    • @hunterraney7155
      @hunterraney7155 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jerimyganut3652this guy just isn’t that good of a trader and I think is upset because he blew his accounts. Maybe he’ll get over and adjust his trading to fit within the rules of the firm he chooses to use!

    • @NinjaPaper8
      @NinjaPaper8 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Trade with precision Funding they’re better

    • @kaanabee813
      @kaanabee813 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I forgot, they want you to trade for 10 freaking days to request a withdrawal!! For people looking to only trade A+ setups, that's gonna be an issue as they will spend a very long time before thinking about a withdrawal. I mean pretty much nothing in the apex model is in the traders favor.

  • @blinkstradingforexandindic1861
    @blinkstradingforexandindic1861 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always changing your message 😅😅

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's how life goes

  • @SANTheTrader
    @SANTheTrader หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Futures Firms have always been confusing to me but you have shed some light into how they work on this video.
    Gotta play by the rules

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Love to hear that!

    • @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev
      @AdrianoAndrea-my3ev 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Teaching to be a consistent trader is a benefit to all, weeds out the gamblers. If people want to take this seriously it's a great career.

  • @ChillKeilen
    @ChillKeilen 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro not even a US trader he just tryna ride the wave smh

  • @mikozaire58
    @mikozaire58 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your revelation is not a difference in CFD V FUTURES Prop Firms. It’s a shift in your perspective from short term gains to long term account management.
    Many people have prop accounts which they keep in profit as a buffer and then compound their monthly 2-7% profits only taking what they must from the account.
    Looks like your perspective has matured or you have been surrounding yourself with more intelligent people.

  • @nunoalves6962
    @nunoalves6962 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    FInally you saw the big picture ;)

  • @frankiethomas1683
    @frankiethomas1683 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How’d you get the 80% discount, they’re still tryna charge me 167 dollars

  • @Elevatedace1
    @Elevatedace1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Top step has atrocious rules

  • @AVENTUS7777
    @AVENTUS7777 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    APEX is Legit. Rules are simple..

    • @KimmelTrading
      @KimmelTrading  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I was the problem before

  • @ricardosoares6483
    @ricardosoares6483 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't really care was the highlight of the video!!

  • @user-nn1zx9rp6f
    @user-nn1zx9rp6f หลายเดือนก่อน

    Acabei de abrir o TH-cam thanks tuginha

  • @ch.eddine
    @ch.eddine หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the CFDs firms are the kings

    • @snypertrade
      @snypertrade 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes but they should reduce the evaluation cost. If after funded we benefit together then no need to raise prices to 500$ for 100k evaluation.
      These futures prop firms are regulated and got more funding but sell the evaluation cost to 19$-50$ for a 50k evaluation.

    • @ch.eddine
      @ch.eddine 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@snypertrade i think the price are good its only 0.5% PROFIT on fundedd accnt

  • @hunterraney7155
    @hunterraney7155 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a big tip for everyone following this guy, including the creator of this video: don’t think too hard, your might hurt yourself 😂😂😂😂 good luck on your 5% a month on your 100mil account when you hit your 20% profit target on those prop firms 😂 maybe think about how you need to trade well and be able to make a lot of money instead of thinking “I can make x% every day so it’s just common sense I’ll be able to make 50% of a million a month” lol no one is waiting for CFD firms to come back. Forex is garbage. Futures is for adults. Forex is for children.

    • @kouavang7819
      @kouavang7819 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yet futures have some forex futures and some crypto futures. Even in the USA to get tax benefits so basiaclly futures is the way to go be cause its like all in one package.

  • @TheBlueskyson
    @TheBlueskyson 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #2273

  • @binujikeerthiwardena9367
    @binujikeerthiwardena9367 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Prop firm accounts offer more power and resources thats why i go ahead with prop firms like The5ers.