i have about 400 hours of DR and DR2.0, I have tried wrc 9 and 10. as soon as i downloaded the rbr Hungarian mod i uninstalled DR2.0, the way the car moves just makes much more sense, even if there seems to be a bit of grip missing in certain places, the car gives you much more confidence as you can feel everything the car is doing even though its more punishing for our mistakes. I have no idea what a real wrc drives like, but rbr makes me believe their interpretation a lot more. amazed how old and how good it feels
I've tried to play DiRT Rally and Rally 2.0 and they never felt the way I expected. They're okay in their own ways. I can see why people like them, however they weren't my favourite. WRC 9 and 10 felt nice on a pad for me, the initial response feels a little too grippy but I don't mind that feel of the rear of the car always floating on loose surfaces. By no means I'm saying this is 100% realistic, nor that the driving model is flawless, but it matched my interpretation of how real rally cars looked on videos and most importantly I had fun. After playing WRC Generations, I'd much rather play DiRT Rally 2.0, a game I never felt like I fully understood, or RBR with the physics mod in the video, which apparently captures the feeling of a real car pretty well. However, Generations has an issue regarding the tyre sim, it could very much be the bane of the issues I'm having.
@@nismo97 wrcg is 10x more realistic than dirt 2 , pls stop man. the driving feeling in dirt 2 is straight arcade, theres no suspension feeling or anything , the car basically slides on ground just utterly horrible. DIRT1 is even more realistic compared dr2.
@@L0CALDRUGMAN no, dirt rally feels like a swivel, the ffb effects are nicer though( although sometimes a but vague) . but the way the car moves is exaggerated. there's no continuity or logic to balancing the weight of the car. if wrc had better roadfeel it would be great. but to me it's already better than dirt. just the stages themselves are something else.
Great comparison. WRCG has a problem where none of the cars feel truly connected to the ground. They almost feel like floaty hover crafts or something. RBR is still on top.
Even with Force Feedback RBR is miles ahead and it’s so addictive to the hand, you keep on driving for hours without getting bored. WRC never made me feel connected to the surface.
I feel that way about RBR, there's no feeling for the road surface. There are only a few stages that have proper ffb in RBR, while WRC G. has improved their ffb to the point that it isn't bad, it's not great, but it's not bad.
wrc10 didnt have great feeling but you shold try wrcg, its so fun and amazing game, u can feel the car weight now and everything is much more realistic on that. also the suspension is super realistic , even the replays look like from real life in terms how the car moves
The point of the video is to compare physics since I value that more than sounds and visuals. The title and description also mention it’s a physics comparison.
@@nismo97 ... then you say in the comments "In terms of visuals, yes WRC Generations is literally years ahead." No, it isn't - depend on the stage you pick.
To this day, my favorite games to drive on the G29 (25 or 27), is ""WRC 7", even with bad donuts, "V-Rally 4" (love the feeling of the surface change on this two), "Vanilla RBR", and my favorite: "Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo", cause it felt like RBR Vanilla with more surface feeling. I can completely understand what is going on in these games all the time and just relax and drive.
No evolution since RBR. Even Dirt 2.0 isn't there. The next Dirt should come with upgraded Dirt 2.0 physics but try to be more like Dirt 2/3 in terms of content and general gameplay.
I have one mainly complaint with wrc generation, it s the breaking sequences, they felt to easy even without abs, i mean locking the wheel doesn’t mean to affect that much the behave of the car and the stopping distance are bit too short for me.
nah.. im sure Nicolay Gryazin push just as hard, if not harder, in real life as in RBR heres him irl and rbr side by side: th-cam.com/video/t_Dfyaedp-g/w-d-xo.html
I just put it together by myself on OBS using bits from gamepad-tester.com and gamepadviewer.com. If you want something that you can actually see over the game as you're playing, I'm not aware of anything that lets you do that yet.
the people that have downloaded RBR and are not from europe but from america as a contintent. In what servers were you able to play since the servers of RBR are from Europe (geniune question)
dude id like to ask you how you got the triggers to work as triggers instead of buttons, because no matter how less i press on the button the game detects my trigger as a button
Playstation controller I’m assuming? Since RBR doesn’t allow you to setup deadzones, I run a global steam input virtual controller. The program I used is called GloSi and it emulates an xbox controller, using Steam’s pretty good input setup, and hides the real controller to stop double inputs. Then, I’m using the Hungarian RBR launcher, they also have a plugin that allows for left foot braking for controllers where triggers use the same axis allowing you to use the virtual Xbox controller with no problem. Side note, with GloSi and Steam Input you can actually map buttons to navigate through the menus with the controller by mapping keyboard buttons.
I will write like this ... RBR is a successful product, to this day it is simply a phenomenon. WRC Generations is based on real telemetry of current rally cars and it is hard to say how much realism there is in relation to route modeling. Of course, looking at WRC onboard or dashboard, none of the current games is able to reflect the behavior of a real car, the creator of Dirt Rally said that it is not difficult to make a game like RBR and you can make a game even more real, but the average player would wrap such a car around trees on the first bend. The game is to reach a wide group of people as fun from the game, the rest is breaking time records on the steering wheels for a narrower group that is able to spend many hours playing it. S. Loeb once said in one of the interviews that new rally cars are more precise and predictable in driving, therefore they are able to break certain barriers that could be dreamed about in old rally cars from the 2000s. I think WRC Generations is a successful fun rally game which somehow pretends to be 🤔🤔🤔 a rally simulator - somehow the effects of the collision physics rule it out and tyre floating as well. I can also add that the assistance and hybrid mapping system in WRC Generations is not real even when comparing it with a real ordinary Toyota hybrid car that I drive on a daily basis, which is not in fact a rally car, but the power mode response is faster response to additional battery power, where the smooth transmission of torque or its efficiency is reduced more to a power splitting mechanism like physics in this game where the torques are three times higher in the power transmission in rally cars. So in this new WRC game hybrid boost its the same like turbo hole in old cars 🤔 and on my opinion should be patched.
@@nismo97 It was an interview with him from a few years ago where Dirt Rally was still exclusive on the PC. I don't remember what blog it was on, but he did mention how close Codemasters back then was to the rally world and how they tested the physics themselves in Subaru near Somerset in the UK and the road mapping. He recalled that when he asked real rally drivers about their impressions from the RBR game, none of them experienced the realism that could be obtained in a real car on a similar surface and that in the real world the RBR driving model could kill many drivers by wrapping their cars in a tree. Codemasters then cooperated with many rally companies, drivers, journalists, etc. In this they themselves recorded sounds while driving a real rally car on real routes ... probably nothing better could be done then for the world of rally games and players.
Paul C. was probably one, if not the only rally enthusiast, who was a rally pilot, he drove cars and had an idea of how to do it while sitting in a car on forest routes in order to be able to assess for himself how to transfer reality and the feeling of the surface to a digital game by implementing a bunch of mathematical algorithms. In Kylotonn we won't find such a character at all.
Never played rbr but watching this video makes me confused on the hype. Looks like the car is floating and you basically were able to hold it wide open the entire time without any scare of losing control
While I sadly can't vouch for how realistic RBR with this mod is, why do you think rally cars are ought to kill their drivers? I was scared of losing control in RBR, but for reasons that look closer to real life. Meanwhile, on WRCG I was scared of losing control because I was driving a reskinned delivery truck with slick tires, for lack of a better example. It's very much possible both are far from realistic, but, if I was to guess, WRCG is further away.
Dont be Confused ,None of Rally games are close to Real life. And Honestly RBR is like Boat simulator, In real life Cars doesnt handle like this on Dirt , There is way way more Grip , Imagine that i did run SS with a training Rally 106 and even that car had way more Grip. The problem is that Gamers think that the Harder the most Realistic thats Not always true. Also in real life The braking distances are way bigger than all these games that i tried , (Ok i know WRC cars have way better brakes than training rally cars but again i cant bealive that they stop like that in dirt )
@@Tripokaridos22 Thankfully I have an alright PC and never had issues with performance on WRC games, but I've heard that the game still doesn't run well. And regarding my comparison, by raft I mean how WRC Generations feels like you're completely dependent on what the surface and car feels like doing, like how a raft just floats over the water, while at least a boat can be steered at your will even if it's slow and unresponsive.
In terms of visuals, yes WRC Generations is literally years ahead. In terms of the driving, especially with the NGP mod, WRC Generations not only is a step down from other WRC games, it's a step down from the majority of rally games out there in terms of realism and/or intuitiveness.
@@nismo97 I agree that it may not be as intuitive as say DR2, but the physics, and handling is pretty good, as most other people are saying about WRC G. I think it's physics, and handling are better than RBR even with the latest NGP mod, I know that very subjective, but I never cared for RBR with the NGP mod.
@@stburr91 One thing is people preferring WRC G’s physics, which I honestly don’t understand, but to that I say to each one their own. My problem stems from the marketing material for the game saying it’s more realistic than their previous games, when it’s very much the opposite. WRC G is less realistic than WRC 10 and far less realistic than RBR NGP, and what makes it less realistic is how clunky, unresponsive and unstable the cars are. Cars shouldn’t be two wheeling over crests, nor driving like they’re on ice. I take issue with people liking this game by saying it is more realistic when it’s clearly not. Worst case scenario, the developer will now think that by “realism” people mean needlessly clunky and non intuitive physics.
@@nismo97 From my little experience with real rally driving, I can't understand, on the other side, the hype and the hard fanbase that RBR (NGP 6) has. I don't think it's so good as most players claim. The grip many times is not natural for me. Real cars dive into the corners, especially tight corners. In RBR there is always more slide than normal. Dirt rally 2.0 is closer to real life in my opinion (at least on gravel). The cars lose and gain grip with more realistic way, the brakes "distances" are better as well. WRC 10 (I have not played Generations) is very bad - no doubt about this: too much grip, the lateral grip is non existed, weightless cars, the cars accelerate/decelerate like Hot Wheels cars, in many cases you can overcorrect any wrong only with downshift! Absolutely arcadish physics.
@@classic7376 Thank you for your input, so far I feel like you’re one of the few I can agree with. Also, keep in mind I used NGP 7, when I tried NGP 6 the grip felt way less consistent than 7. NGP is nowhere near perfect, it has issues that likely come from the not-so-great vanilla physics. Depending on the car, some feel like they grip too much, some feel like they float away from the turns even though it feels like you had the right entry. The suspension simulation also seems off, the cars feel too bouncy still and weight shifting is weird to say the least. As for DR2.0, I always had the feeling that the grip model is too extreme. One example of this is how competitive players drive in rally-x, basically doing gymkhana style reverse entries into tighter turns and somehow shooting out of the turn with ridiculous amounts of speed. Basically, people seem to abuse how strong the clawing grip of the tyres is on gravel to compensate how the cars have initially too low grip when going in a straight line. Still, it could very much be the game that is closest to the real thing. WRC 10 has a plethora of issues like you mentioned, but Generations makes all those flaws even more pronounced. Even less sideways grip, even more wheelspin like you’re driving slicks on gravel, brakes are super weak but turning the wheel full lock slows the car down better, and like the video shows the cars also two wheel over crests like they’re a top heavy truck. At the end of the day, I’m not expecting any game to be realistic. It’s very hard to get every bit of a real car correctly simulated and have it work flawlessly in every situation. I feel like many games are now going for what the fanbase seems to perceive to be realistic, instead of trying to get the closest possible to realism.
@@nismo97 look real life rally, the cars really go almost 2 wheel and youre driving 100% power on that jump and turning ofc you will go 2 wheeling it. its downforce and air which is causing it
@@nismo97 th-cam.com/video/qsdfaT9e4AY/w-d-xo.html look at even this video, the cars can go 2 wheel super easily and youre driving like what +150kmh into that jump and turning, i think youre just underestimate real life physics. wrcg is very realistic , you just dont have sense of speed
@@nismo97 you just dont have clue what real physics feel like and wrcg has made massive improvement basically every year. wrc10 wasnt so great but wrcg is like big big jump physics are completely new and u feel the ground and the suspension + how the car moves trough corners. its greatest rally game along RBR ...
can't we all just fucking agree that ALL THE RALLY GAMES ARE FUN?!? THERE WILL LITERALLY , QUITE LITERALLY NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BE A RALLY GAME IN LITERAL EXISTENCE, THAT WILL EVER BE ABLE TO 100% SIMULATE REAL LIFE! THERE ARE TOO MANY FACTORS ! REAL LIFE CAR DEFORMATION, CAR PART DAMAGE, TIRE LOSS, TERRAIN DEFORMATION, GASOLINE , FIRES, NATURE, ACTUAL PHYSICAL INJURY OF THE DRIVER AND CODRIVER ! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "BEST RALLY"
So we should just keep accepting clearly mediocre products? I don’t think anyone’s asking for a 100% realistic game, but when these new games can’t even do basic stuff correctly we should be vocal, especially when they were better before. Last thing I want is stagnation or games getting worse because “we should be thankful that these games exist” or whatever drivel fanboys spew out these days.
don't get me wrong, I love a realistic and challenging rally as much as the next sim nut, but I also just simply like rally games! I remember having such a BLAST as a kid playing top gear rally and sega rally! Simply the idea of driving at breakneck speeds while listening to turn instructions is great heartoumping fun in its own, even if the physics aren't that great Besides, physics are one the most notoriously difficult things to code. they also have to hire ACTUAL PHYSICISTS to help them get the formulas correct.
@@angelinadash2396 I'd argue modern rally games became very unfun while also becoming less realistic. There's a video from Donut Media about Dirt 5 and one of the devs said how their "simulation" games (F1 and DRally) are designed around what people think is realistic, not necessarily full blown realism. I've started with arcade games, as many probably also have, but these days I prefer simulators because they're way less bullshit than whatever arcade games recently came out. However, simulation games are clearly not free from bullshit mechanics like the iRacing grass abuse for example. Basically, arcade games are now overcomplicated clunky games and simulation games are harder than real life so players have something to boast about. For me, none of that means fun. Dirt 2 and 3 were the last good arcade rally games and RBR with mods seems to be the only rally sim where things mostly make sense. As for the argument of actual physicists being needed, these formulas have been around for a long time and devs don't need to reinvent the wheel. I am very aware of what limitations there are when going for extreme realism but that doesn't excuse why some aspects of the physics gets worse while better technology is made available. Many people use the the complexity of a physics model as an argument for realism, but sometimes simple does it better.
@@nismo97 there is an term for a game that mixes slightly arcade physics with simulation aspects, its called simcade. You didn't like dirt 4 and 5 at all? ;( dirt 4 really was great! so was 5.
i have about 400 hours of DR and DR2.0, I have tried wrc 9 and 10. as soon as i downloaded the rbr Hungarian mod i uninstalled DR2.0, the way the car moves just makes much more sense, even if there seems to be a bit of grip missing in certain places, the car gives you much more confidence as you can feel everything the car is doing even though its more punishing for our mistakes. I have no idea what a real wrc drives like, but rbr makes me believe their interpretation a lot more. amazed how old and how good it feels
I've tried to play DiRT Rally and Rally 2.0 and they never felt the way I expected.
They're okay in their own ways. I can see why people like them, however they weren't my favourite.
WRC 9 and 10 felt nice on a pad for me, the initial response feels a little too grippy but I don't mind that feel of the rear of the car always floating on loose surfaces.
By no means I'm saying this is 100% realistic, nor that the driving model is flawless, but it matched my interpretation of how real rally cars looked on videos and most importantly I had fun.
After playing WRC Generations, I'd much rather play DiRT Rally 2.0, a game I never felt like I fully understood, or RBR with the physics mod in the video, which apparently captures the feeling of a real car pretty well.
However, Generations has an issue regarding the tyre sim, it could very much be the bane of the issues I'm having.
so did wrc 9 and 10 feel worse compared dirt ?
@@nismo97 wrcg is 10x more realistic than dirt 2 , pls stop man. the driving feeling in dirt 2 is straight arcade, theres no suspension feeling or anything , the car basically slides on ground just utterly horrible. DIRT1 is even more realistic compared dr2.
@@L0CALDRUGMAN no, dirt rally feels like a swivel, the ffb effects are nicer though( although sometimes a but vague) . but the way the car moves is exaggerated. there's no continuity or logic to balancing the weight of the car. if wrc had better roadfeel it would be great. but to me it's already better than dirt. just the stages themselves are something else.
@@L0CALDRUGMAN the nr 1 rule of be successful at selling drugs is not to use them!!!! Clearly you are influenced by them with that statement
Great comparison. WRCG has a problem where none of the cars feel truly connected to the ground. They almost feel like floaty hover crafts or something. RBR is still on top.
Even with Force Feedback RBR is miles ahead and it’s so addictive to the hand, you keep on driving for hours without getting bored. WRC never made me feel connected to the surface.
I feel that way about RBR, there's no feeling for the road surface. There are only a few stages that have proper ffb in RBR, while WRC G. has improved their ffb to the point that it isn't bad, it's not great, but it's not bad.
@@stburr91 your wrong 😑. way wrong. maybe get a better wheel or something
@@tyleruhlenberg8074 I probably have a better wheel than you. LoL
@@stburr91 maybe
wrc10 didnt have great feeling but you shold try wrcg, its so fun and amazing game, u can feel the car weight now and everything is much more realistic on that. also the suspension is super realistic , even the replays look like from real life in terms how the car moves
why are you not even using FMOD sounds in RBR and one of the worst looking stages? It's like you're trying to make it look bad
The point of the video is to compare physics since I value that more than sounds and visuals.
The title and description also mention it’s a physics comparison.
@@nismo97 Comparison on controller is useless in my opinion
@@krzysztofzagorski9632 Physics don't change depending on your input device.
Utiliser un mod et un plus beau circuit sur RBR n aurait pas changer la physique, donc ton explication n a aucun sens.
@@nismo97 ... then you say in the comments "In terms of visuals, yes WRC Generations is literally years ahead."
No, it isn't - depend on the stage you pick.
Still, WRC G is an arcade game.
Not even close to sim racing .
It has been better and better through the series but Only RBR is the real rally sim.
Parfaitement d accord wrc est un jeux d arcade
To this day, my favorite games to drive on the G29 (25 or 27), is ""WRC 7", even with bad donuts, "V-Rally 4" (love the feeling of the surface change on this two), "Vanilla RBR", and my favorite: "Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo", cause it felt like RBR Vanilla with more surface feeling. I can completely understand what is going on in these games all the time and just relax and drive.
RBR with NGP7+ is a blast and you should check it. RSF Rally Sim Fans version is 🔥
You're absolutely right! They nailed it on NGP7! @@felipetomaz1087
@@felipetomaz1087 I started playing it yesterday. Do you know is it easier than vanilla? It doesn't seemed so hard for me
SLRE is unmatched!
No evolution since RBR. Even Dirt 2.0 isn't there. The next Dirt should come with upgraded Dirt 2.0 physics but try to be more like Dirt 2/3 in terms of content and general gameplay.
I have one mainly complaint with wrc generation, it s the breaking sequences, they felt to easy even without abs, i mean locking the wheel doesn’t mean to affect that much the behave of the car and the stopping distance are bit too short for me.
Much better on the Xbox SX now after a patch. Even tested this car and stage.
Hope this patch comes to PC ASAP then. If this is fixed I'll eat my words no problem.
they really fix this ?, if then very good, im waiting on pc
If a real driver try attack this game the same he attacks the real life, he probably will flip over
Louise Cook (Cookie) British Rally Driver WRC G: th-cam.com/video/Q0TDGx9waOg/w-d-xo.html
@@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes Louise Cook finished 7 minutes behind a Renault ragnotti in monte 2012...
nah..
im sure Nicolay Gryazin push just as hard, if not harder, in real life as in RBR
heres him irl and rbr side by side:
th-cam.com/video/t_Dfyaedp-g/w-d-xo.html
@@dimitrisqwerty this is why she spend is time on simulator :-)
for me a real simulation (car/race/flight) should be in cockpitview...nobody drives a car from outside (only remotecontrol.. :-)
I did consider the interior views, but for the sake of showing how the car is moving better I decided to stick to chase camera for this one.
@@nismo97 👍 thanks for video...
Молодец, хорошо проехал на джостике в RBR
testing on a game pad must be tough.
💀
Truly.
Hey super late but where can i get your controller overlay? Its awesome and simple
I just put it together by myself on OBS using bits from gamepad-tester.com and gamepadviewer.com.
If you want something that you can actually see over the game as you're playing, I'm not aware of anything that lets you do that yet.
@@nismo97 thats great that you made yourself. good to know ty
the people that have downloaded RBR and are not from europe but from america as a contintent. In what servers were you able to play since the servers of RBR are from Europe (geniune question)
dude id like to ask you how you got the triggers to work as triggers instead of buttons, because no matter how less i press on the button the game detects my trigger as a button
Playstation controller I’m assuming?
Since RBR doesn’t allow you to setup deadzones, I run a global steam input virtual controller.
The program I used is called GloSi and it emulates an xbox controller, using Steam’s pretty good input setup, and hides the real controller to stop double inputs.
Then, I’m using the Hungarian RBR launcher, they also have a plugin that allows for left foot braking for controllers where triggers use the same axis allowing you to use the virtual Xbox controller with no problem.
Side note, with GloSi and Steam Input you can actually map buttons to
navigate through the menus with the controller by mapping keyboard buttons.
I will write like this ... RBR is a successful product, to this day it is simply a phenomenon. WRC Generations is based on real telemetry of current rally cars and it is hard to say how much realism there is in relation to route modeling. Of course, looking at WRC onboard or dashboard, none of the current games is able to reflect the behavior of a real car, the creator of Dirt Rally said that it is not difficult to make a game like RBR and you can make a game even more real, but the average player would wrap such a car around trees on the first bend. The game is to reach a wide group of people as fun from the game, the rest is breaking time records on the steering wheels for a narrower group that is able to spend many hours playing it. S. Loeb once said in one of the interviews that new rally cars are more precise and predictable in driving, therefore they are able to break certain barriers that could be dreamed about in old rally cars from the 2000s. I think WRC Generations is a successful fun rally game which somehow pretends to be 🤔🤔🤔 a rally simulator - somehow the effects of the collision physics rule it out and tyre floating as well.
I can also add that the assistance and hybrid mapping system in WRC Generations is not real even when comparing it with a real ordinary Toyota hybrid car that I drive on a daily basis, which is not in fact a rally car, but the power mode response is faster response to additional battery power, where the smooth transmission of torque or its efficiency is reduced more to a power splitting mechanism like physics in this game where the torques are three times higher in the power transmission in rally cars. So in this new WRC game hybrid boost its the same like turbo hole in old cars 🤔 and on my opinion should be patched.
Could you link where Dirt Rally’s creator said that?
@@nismo97 It was an interview with him from a few years ago where Dirt Rally was still exclusive on the PC. I don't remember what blog it was on, but he did mention how close Codemasters back then was to the rally world and how they tested the physics themselves in Subaru near Somerset in the UK and the road mapping. He recalled that when he asked real rally drivers about their impressions from the RBR game, none of them experienced the realism that could be obtained in a real car on a similar surface and that in the real world the RBR driving model could kill many drivers by wrapping their cars in a tree. Codemasters then cooperated with many rally companies, drivers, journalists, etc. In this they themselves recorded sounds while driving a real rally car on real routes ... probably nothing better could be done then for the world of rally games and players.
@@martineering.evoluzione Amazing input! I think that nitpicking is why Dirt Rally is still miles ahead in Rally games
Paul C. was probably one, if not the only rally enthusiast, who was a rally pilot, he drove cars and had an idea of how to do it while sitting in a car on forest routes in order to be able to assess for himself how to transfer reality and the feeling of the surface to a digital game by implementing a bunch of mathematical algorithms. In Kylotonn we won't find such a character at all.
Wrc n1 rbr 🤮🤮🤮🤮
It cannot be compared because they are different games and very different physics that have nothing to do with each other.
Never played rbr but watching this video makes me confused on the hype. Looks like the car is floating and you basically were able to hold it wide open the entire time without any scare of losing control
While I sadly can't vouch for how realistic RBR with this mod is, why do you think rally cars are ought to kill their drivers?
I was scared of losing control in RBR, but for reasons that look closer to real life.
Meanwhile, on WRCG I was scared of losing control because I was driving a reskinned delivery truck with slick tires, for lack of a better example.
It's very much possible both are far from realistic, but, if I was to guess, WRCG is further away.
As if the car doesn't float in wrc generations...
Car doesn't float in rbr at all, it's just the chase camera effect. Inside the car it's like how it should
Dont be Confused ,None of Rally games are close to Real life. And Honestly RBR is like Boat simulator, In real life Cars doesnt handle like this on Dirt , There is way way more Grip , Imagine that i did run SS with a training Rally 106 and even that car had way more Grip. The problem is that Gamers think that the Harder the most Realistic thats Not always true.
Also in real life The braking distances are way bigger than all these games that i tried , (Ok i know WRC cars have way better brakes than training rally cars but again i cant bealive that they stop like that in dirt )
@@Tripokaridos22 well irl drivers like Craig breen nikolay gryazin and kalle rovanpera play rbr and say its realistic so...
WRC Generations is until now the worst rally game ever !
Rbr e ancora peggiore
RBR amazing Boat Simulator , People that have Drive in real life on Special Stage they understand what i am saying.
If you're saying RBR is a boat simulator, please do yourself a favour and DO NOT play WRC Generations, that is more like a raft simulator.
@@nismo97 OMG really ? I will try it to see if thats true. Did they Fix the Stuttering problems ?
@@Tripokaridos22 im new to this whole Rally and sim Rally, what the exact meaning of this boat and raft ?
From the video the car in RBR appears to be floating all the way
@@Tripokaridos22 Thankfully I have an alright PC and never had issues with performance on WRC games, but I've heard that the game still doesn't run well.
And regarding my comparison, by raft I mean how WRC Generations feels like you're completely dependent on what the surface and car feels like doing, like how a raft just floats over the water, while at least a boat can be steered at your will even if it's slow and unresponsive.
WRC Generations has surpassed RBR in every way with maybe the only exception being the sound of some of the cars.
In terms of visuals, yes WRC Generations is literally years ahead.
In terms of the driving, especially with the NGP mod, WRC Generations not only is a step down from other WRC games, it's a step down from the majority of rally games out there in terms of realism and/or intuitiveness.
@@nismo97 I agree that it may not be as intuitive as say DR2, but the physics, and handling is pretty good, as most other people are saying about WRC G. I think it's physics, and handling are better than RBR even with the latest NGP mod, I know that very subjective, but I never cared for RBR with the NGP mod.
@@stburr91 One thing is people preferring WRC G’s physics, which I honestly don’t understand, but to that I say to each one their own.
My problem stems from the marketing material for the game saying it’s more realistic than their previous games, when it’s very much the opposite.
WRC G is less realistic than WRC 10 and far less realistic than RBR NGP, and what makes it less realistic is how clunky, unresponsive and unstable the cars are.
Cars shouldn’t be two wheeling over crests, nor driving like they’re on ice.
I take issue with people liking this game by saying it is more realistic when it’s clearly not.
Worst case scenario, the developer will now think that by “realism” people mean needlessly clunky and non intuitive physics.
@@nismo97 From my little experience with real rally driving, I can't understand, on the other side, the hype and the hard fanbase that RBR (NGP 6) has. I don't think it's so good as most players claim. The grip many times is not natural for me. Real cars dive into the corners, especially tight corners. In RBR there is always more slide than normal.
Dirt rally 2.0 is closer to real life in my opinion (at least on gravel). The cars lose and gain grip with more realistic way, the brakes "distances" are better as well.
WRC 10 (I have not played Generations) is very bad - no doubt about this: too much grip, the lateral grip is non existed, weightless cars, the cars accelerate/decelerate like Hot Wheels cars, in many cases you can overcorrect any wrong only with downshift! Absolutely arcadish physics.
@@classic7376 Thank you for your input, so far I feel like you’re one of the few I can agree with.
Also, keep in mind I used NGP 7, when I tried NGP 6 the grip felt way less consistent than 7.
NGP is nowhere near perfect, it has issues that likely come from the not-so-great vanilla physics.
Depending on the car, some feel like they grip too much, some feel like they float away from the turns even though it feels like you had the right entry.
The suspension simulation also seems off, the cars feel too bouncy still and weight shifting is weird to say the least.
As for DR2.0, I always had the feeling that the grip model is too extreme.
One example of this is how competitive players drive in rally-x, basically doing gymkhana style reverse entries into tighter turns and somehow shooting out of the turn with ridiculous amounts of speed.
Basically, people seem to abuse how strong the clawing grip of the tyres is on gravel to compensate how the cars have initially too low grip when going in a straight line.
Still, it could very much be the game that is closest to the real thing.
WRC 10 has a plethora of issues like you mentioned, but Generations makes all those flaws even more pronounced.
Even less sideways grip, even more wheelspin like you’re driving slicks on gravel, brakes are super weak but turning the wheel full lock slows the car down better, and like the video shows the cars also two wheel over crests like they’re a top heavy truck.
At the end of the day, I’m not expecting any game to be realistic. It’s very hard to get every bit of a real car correctly simulated and have it work flawlessly in every situation.
I feel like many games are now going for what the fanbase seems to perceive to be realistic, instead of trying to get the closest possible to realism.
Wrc n1
when wrc was good, no one would care, now that it's absolute dogshit you have people saying it's the best
Agree to disagree
Agree that purpose built rally cars two-wheel over crests and have that low sideways grip on loose surfaces?
@@nismo97 look real life rally, the cars really go almost 2 wheel and youre driving 100% power on that jump and turning ofc you will go 2 wheeling it. its downforce and air which is causing it
@@nismo97 th-cam.com/video/qsdfaT9e4AY/w-d-xo.html look at even this video, the cars can go 2 wheel super easily and youre driving like what +150kmh into that jump and turning, i think youre just underestimate real life physics. wrcg is very realistic , you just dont have sense of speed
@@nismo97 th-cam.com/video/ov1FLHBkRA8/w-d-xo.html in this video at the beginning straight similar 2 wheeling and at 1:58 min.
@@nismo97 you just dont have clue what real physics feel like and wrcg has made massive improvement basically every year. wrc10 wasnt so great but wrcg is like big big jump physics are completely new and u feel the ground and the suspension + how the car moves trough corners. its greatest rally game along RBR ...
RBR has gameboy graphics 🤣
can't we all just fucking agree that ALL THE RALLY GAMES ARE FUN?!?
THERE WILL LITERALLY , QUITE LITERALLY NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BE A RALLY GAME IN LITERAL EXISTENCE, THAT WILL EVER BE ABLE TO 100% SIMULATE REAL LIFE! THERE ARE TOO MANY FACTORS !
REAL LIFE CAR DEFORMATION, CAR PART DAMAGE, TIRE LOSS, TERRAIN DEFORMATION, GASOLINE , FIRES, NATURE, ACTUAL PHYSICAL INJURY OF THE DRIVER AND CODRIVER !
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "BEST RALLY"
So we should just keep accepting clearly mediocre products?
I don’t think anyone’s asking for a 100% realistic game, but when these new games can’t even do basic stuff correctly we should be vocal, especially when they were better before.
Last thing I want is stagnation or games getting worse because “we should be thankful that these games exist” or whatever drivel fanboys spew out these days.
@@nismo97 not accept, but appreciate .
don't get me wrong, I love a realistic and challenging rally as much as the next sim nut, but I also just simply like rally games!
I remember having such a BLAST as a kid playing top gear rally and sega rally! Simply the idea of driving at breakneck speeds while listening to turn instructions is great heartoumping fun in its own, even if the physics aren't that great
Besides, physics are one the most notoriously difficult things to code. they also have to hire ACTUAL PHYSICISTS to help them get the formulas correct.
@@angelinadash2396 I'd argue modern rally games became very unfun while also becoming less realistic.
There's a video from Donut Media about Dirt 5 and one of the devs said how their "simulation" games (F1 and DRally) are designed around what people think is realistic, not necessarily full blown realism.
I've started with arcade games, as many probably also have, but these days I prefer simulators because they're way less bullshit than whatever arcade games recently came out.
However, simulation games are clearly not free from bullshit mechanics like the iRacing grass abuse for example.
Basically, arcade games are now overcomplicated clunky games and simulation games are harder than real life so players have something to boast about.
For me, none of that means fun. Dirt 2 and 3 were the last good arcade rally games and RBR with mods seems to be the only rally sim where things mostly make sense.
As for the argument of actual physicists being needed, these formulas have been around for a long time and devs don't need to reinvent the wheel. I am very aware of what limitations there are when going for extreme realism but that doesn't excuse why some aspects of the physics gets worse while better technology is made available.
Many people use the the complexity of a physics model as an argument for realism, but sometimes simple does it better.
@@nismo97 there is an term for a game that mixes slightly arcade physics with simulation aspects, its called simcade.
You didn't like dirt 4 and 5 at all? ;( dirt 4 really was great! so was 5.
where is the best sim game dirt 2.0? all of these games are garbage