Nicias is interestingly the wealthiest man of Athens. Apparently he owned a silver mine. I assume that linked up to the Thalassocracy in the liquidity of the currency making its way to the bread basket of the current Ukraine and to Anatolia. What's interesting is, as you know, he is the iconoclast when measured against Laches on the changing of the meaning of Andrea or courage from the common usage to the philosophic technical usage. I think the simple version is dialectic, discussion of one to another, vs rhetoric. Rhetoric is temptation by appealing to the common opinions. Alchabides is accused of being factional in Protagoras when he takes Sokratres side, the dialectitian's side, he who favours short speeches. Over Protagoras who uses long and short speeches and is more rhetorical. 😮 (Emojis are king 👑)
Yeah good point. Nicias also totally fucked up the Sicilian campaign. Alcibiades was excluded from his position as commander because of arbitrary accusations. Plato is subtly letting us know the friend/enemy distinction
@@owenintheagon I think the camps of Socrates, including Alcibiades, and of Protagoras, are more like what's happened in America. I'm not sure what the first occasion was. It was true with SCOTUS Kavanaugh in 2018 confirmation vote in the Senate that there was a strict party vote. In the past both parties often voted for justices of either party persuasion. The parti pris seems to me different than friend enemy in the full sense. It's polemical rather than warlike ("physical killing"). Within the Polis. I think a number of exact distinctions are possible on the matter.
Nicias is interestingly the wealthiest man of Athens. Apparently he owned a silver mine. I assume that linked up to the Thalassocracy in the liquidity of the currency making its way to the bread basket of the current Ukraine and to Anatolia. What's interesting is, as you know, he is the iconoclast when measured against Laches on the changing of the meaning of Andrea or courage from the common usage to the philosophic technical usage.
I think the simple version is dialectic, discussion of one to another, vs rhetoric. Rhetoric is temptation by appealing to the common opinions. Alchabides is accused of being factional in Protagoras when he takes Sokratres side, the dialectitian's side, he who favours short speeches. Over Protagoras who uses long and short speeches and is more rhetorical.
😮 (Emojis are king 👑)
Yeah good point. Nicias also totally fucked up the Sicilian campaign. Alcibiades was excluded from his position as commander because of arbitrary accusations. Plato is subtly letting us know the friend/enemy distinction
@@owenintheagon I think the camps of Socrates, including Alcibiades, and of Protagoras, are more like what's happened in America. I'm not sure what the first occasion was. It was true with SCOTUS Kavanaugh in 2018 confirmation vote in the Senate that there was a strict party vote. In the past both parties often voted for justices of either party persuasion. The parti pris seems to me different than friend enemy in the full sense. It's polemical rather than warlike ("physical killing"). Within the Polis. I think a number of exact distinctions are possible on the matter.