I'm gonna be fair here, my 3 year old msi does 13-14 both on hibernate and shutdown. Even if it does 20 I'm okay, the thing is these days every device is so fast that no one would consider counting the second but I'm actually from the dial up generation so I know the real pain. No complaints. And also thanks for the video
@@gamersanditparadisei got my first laptop in high school (2015) and i still use it today. Had to update the software and replace the battery but it still works perfectly fine. The startup time is about 8 seconds
@@Kamletuereally bro 😑 , even I had hdd laptop, dell inspiron series, 1 tb hdd, it was good but after a year it would take almost 2 hours to boot up everytime
The extra boot up time was due to the DDR5 memory training. It is also present in desktops. DDR4 memory training does not take as long as DDR5 memory training.
@@gamersanditparadise It's a part of the POST process that the motherboard and CPU work together to ensure that all installed RAM are powered on, synchronizing the frequency, applying memory settings(such as the XMP profile), etc, then do a few quick tests to ensure the RAM modules are working properly according to those settings. Since DDR5 is running so fast and it's running in a fake dual channel setup for a single memory channel, it does take a while to ensure that the training is done right. Hence why the extra boot time, it has nothing to do with the storage like the NVMe SSD not being fast enough.
@@gamersanditparadise No, memory training is when your memory controller validates and tests memory settings and timings at boot, sometimes automatically adjusting subtimings. The slowest DDR5 is already running at speeds where DDR4 starts to behave very strangely so on some DDR5 platforms it can take well over a minute to make sure it's even stable enough to boot.
That's not a fair comparison. That's not only included boot up but also powering the board. And, as you can see, the Scar has a power on keyboard animation. There's a lot happening before the actual boot up of the operating system.
I'm very much aware of this, and had thought about it in depth, but decided to start recording the time right after hitting the power button. The reason is, this implementation on the Scar is taking way longer than ROG's prior iterations (like 2020, 2021 and so on) with per key RGB which used to take far less time to get to the boot screen, almost identical to the G14 shown in the video. That is why I decided to keep it this way, as this is actually an issue. Otherwise as far as actual boot time goes, both should be pretty even.
I just don’t know why mine won’t work. I just got one for my birthday and the screen will not turn on at all. I connect it to my TV and there’s stuff showing but nothing on the computer screen is showing.
There are animations in the per key rgb keyboard tho. And let me tell you that intel alderlakes additional layer of security on the Intel 12th Gen Evo boards could explain why boot times are longer.
Hmm of course, I know that the RGB does contribute to the delay in boot time. But the prior generations of ROG laptops (with per key RGB) were a lot faster at initializing the RGB drivers than this Scar SE, so just to create awareness regarding this, I decided to measure boot time right after hitting the power button. The additional security measures as far as I can recall, are disabled on 12th Gen gaming ones, they are not Evo certified. But again, maybe 12th Gen's hybrid architecture could have something to do with it.
Yeah, boot time has reached a point of diminishing returns nowadays. If you uninstall the bloatware that comes preinstalled on Asus (and most laptops in general), your laptop will boot a lot faster than mine. Even though mine has a 2TB SSD in RAID 0 configuration, still it boots slower than my Zephyrus G14 which has a slow 512GB Intel SSD lol.
I've a vivobook pro 15 m3500QC(ryzen 7 5800h). It boots almost instantly. Maximum 5 Seconds. It's not a game oriented laptop. But it still has a rtx 3050 ti(4 gb). What I'm trying to say is that pure gaming laptops take significantly more time to boot than laptops which aren't meant for pure gaming
Hx toh bnd h na strt hone pr only 4 cores work kr rhe h dono mai isliye h aisa lol nd jitna bada process hoga like hx jb wo chlega na i 9 pr ryzen will hide under table
Yea sure, also NVIDIA will always have the edge in things like ray tracing, DLSS and so on, whereas the 2022 G14 comes with AMD CPU/GPU combo which, although has very good performance in raster, the FSR and stuff it has, is nowhere near comparable to Nvidia's tech. By all means, go for it.
i got my pc 1 year ago cost £900 and it takes over 2 minutes to start up and load to even be usuable it was like that from whem i first got it are computers really meant to be this quick😭😭 probably shoulda got a refund 😂
@@gamersanditparadise my old dell inspiron n5110 had the power button on the left but i am getting a asus tuf f15 which has the power button on the right so i was confused and thought my dell inspiron n5110 broken
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I'm gonna be fair here, my 3 year old msi does 13-14 both on hibernate and shutdown. Even if it does 20 I'm okay, the thing is these days every device is so fast that no one would consider counting the second but I'm actually from the dial up generation so I know the real pain. No complaints.
And also thanks for the video
Even if it isn’t the fastest at booting up, it blows almost every other laptop away when it comes to brute performance.
@@gamersanditparadisei got my first laptop in high school (2015) and i still use it today. Had to update the software and replace the battery but it still works perfectly fine. The startup time is about 8 seconds
@@phantom6276 which brand please
These 5 seconds really matters in my live
Lol
That's what hdd owners think
It’s that rbg
@@ananimyc408 I have a hdd and honestly it boots pretty fast
@@Kamletuereally bro 😑 , even I had hdd laptop, dell inspiron series, 1 tb hdd, it was good but after a year it would take almost 2 hours to boot up everytime
The extra boot up time was due to the DDR5 memory training. It is also present in desktops. DDR4 memory training does not take as long as DDR5 memory training.
Can you explain the meaning of 'training'? Is it similar to training an ML model?
@@gamersanditparadise It's a part of the POST process that the motherboard and CPU work together to ensure that all installed RAM are powered on, synchronizing the frequency, applying memory settings(such as the XMP profile), etc, then do a few quick tests to ensure the RAM modules are working properly according to those settings. Since DDR5 is running so fast and it's running in a fake dual channel setup for a single memory channel, it does take a while to ensure that the training is done right. Hence why the extra boot time, it has nothing to do with the storage like the NVMe SSD not being fast enough.
g14 also uses ddr5 tho…
@@ryeser4864the generation of G14 that uses Ryzen 5xxx processors uses DDR4 RAM.
@@ryeser4864lol you got schooled 😂
The 5 seconds diff is because of the rgb LEDs
Ikr 😂
Fps boost 😂
No that's idiotic
The fact is these laptops are way better then my victus 15 rtx 3050 or my old 320m i3 330 acer 😭😭
Bigger the SSD the more time it takes to boot up. It does not conclude just by the boot up time which laptop is the faster if the SSD isn’t same size.
Thank you! It shows how little people know about pcs lol
*laughs at my asus x441N 12mins to on*
Throw in a calculator for benchmark comparison. I bet it can power on and off a million times before any of these switch on.
Thats the point, boot time is not a measure of real world performance. Boot time is just boot time, that's it.
Bro see how much scar 17se is more powerful then M14 it have better processor and better graphic card it take time to turn on a powerful mechenery
The difference is probably mostly down to DDR5 memory training
You mean memory timing right?
@@gamersanditparadise No, memory training is when your memory controller validates and tests memory settings and timings at boot, sometimes automatically adjusting subtimings. The slowest DDR5 is already running at speeds where DDR4 starts to behave very strangely so on some DDR5 platforms it can take well over a minute to make sure it's even stable enough to boot.
Can you make a review video on SE
Sure. It will take some time, but I will post an unbiased review soon hopefully. Please subscribe :)
I upgraded the ssd to 970 eco plus 2tb
So it should be even faster now right?
To be fair for me, the G14 sounds surprisingly quiet, but the Strix Scar 17 sounds surprisingly loud. 😂😅
Glad I got the g14 eclipse gray
same man, it may not be as fast as strix lineups but its good for its size
That's not a fair comparison. That's not only included boot up but also powering the board. And, as you can see, the Scar has a power on keyboard animation. There's a lot happening before the actual boot up of the operating system.
I'm very much aware of this, and had thought about it in depth, but decided to start recording the time right after hitting the power button. The reason is, this implementation on the Scar is taking way longer than ROG's prior iterations (like 2020, 2021 and so on) with per key RGB which used to take far less time to get to the boot screen, almost identical to the G14 shown in the video. That is why I decided to keep it this way, as this is actually an issue. Otherwise as far as actual boot time goes, both should be pretty even.
The Scar has a ton more to load
a ton more of what lol? RGB? lmao
@@GeeBao2204 more poo 💩
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Well, I Mean, The 2nd One Is More expensive and has better specs and those are USA sometimes heavy files to carry so there basically is no winner
THAT RGB WAS AWESOME
I just don’t know why mine won’t work. I just got one for my birthday and the screen will not turn on at all. I connect it to my TV and there’s stuff showing but nothing on the computer screen is showing.
There are animations in the per key rgb keyboard tho. And let me tell you that intel alderlakes additional layer of security on the Intel 12th Gen Evo boards could explain why boot times are longer.
Hmm of course, I know that the RGB does contribute to the delay in boot time. But the prior generations of ROG laptops (with per key RGB) were a lot faster at initializing the RGB drivers than this Scar SE, so just to create awareness regarding this, I decided to measure boot time right after hitting the power button.
The additional security measures as far as I can recall, are disabled on 12th Gen gaming ones, they are not Evo certified. But again, maybe 12th Gen's hybrid architecture could have something to do with it.
function is important, not size
The second laptop He's really support 4k.(I don't mean accuracy)
yeah but the one on the right is stronger and best to play on games
Got asus g513 with 6800H (amd) and 980 Samsung pcie 1TB ssd - 15 sec same boot test
Yeah, boot time has reached a point of diminishing returns nowadays. If you uninstall the bloatware that comes preinstalled on Asus (and most laptops in general), your laptop will boot a lot faster than mine. Even though mine has a 2TB SSD in RAID 0 configuration, still it boots slower than my Zephyrus G14 which has a slow 512GB Intel SSD lol.
Good things takes time 🙌🙌
Ngl, g14 is the best laptop i've ever had.
My PC be like 1 minutes
Lol :p slip an SSD in, boot time will drop sharply
I can’t believe it takes 10 seconds…
bro the computer on the left is my computer irl lol
My legion 5 with 8 second - Hello noobs 😂
Lol
How is lenovo legion series
Now compare them performance wise
hey is there any way to get that boot animation instead of the windows one???
Wow.. can u do a video editing test as well?
Sure, working on it. That’s where the 4000$ laptop makes a difference xD
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What r the gpu specs on these
Old laptop always have faster boosting time. My old tuf laptop with i7-8gen 1050ti faster than my new legio laptop with i7-12gen 3060
Oh well my gp66 takes 21 seconds
That dual boot grub menu ruins my boot timings🥲, previously used to take around 5 sec in Asus Tuf Dash f15
Oh I see..
Aunque tarde 5 segundos el arranque no importa si el resto de la pc sera mejor que la comparacion
Yea true, Scar 17 SE smashes the G14 in every other aspect it’s not even a contest.
Great power brings more responsibilities
U can see here 😮💨
For example, starting up RGB during boot is one responsibility xD
Why Do Expensive Stuff Take Longer To Boot Up???
I wish I could tag @ROG Global to answer this, lol. Only they can answer the reason behind this nuisance.
Start is not important for gaming, test them with games
That's so true
Do u have the asus rog g14 pc link pls ☺️
Different hardware different needs
graphics card for the g14?
My lap open in 7 second
WHERE DID U GET IT FOR 800
My dell optiplex e6400 from 2008 turns on in 2 seconds on windows 10 pro
where can you buy the zephyrus for that little? i can find it at like 2000$
Where could i get the g14 at that price. It convinced m dad to start gaming
More memory will make the boot time longer.
Oh, is that true? The opposite should be true I think.
@@gamersanditparadise No, it's true. More RAM will make it boot slower
@@gamersanditparadise No, more memory takes longers because of memory training.
And here my HP Omen 15 (2020) boots up in around 6 seconds... 🤧
That's crazy Man
Si tiene mas hilos y nucleos puedes utilizarlos para iniciar mas rapido
Here HDD 500 Gb i3 2nd gen user 😅
can you send me the link for the asus zephyrus g14
I want the strix scar so bad but bro it cost my whole life for it
Great things take time 😂
I've a vivobook pro 15 m3500QC(ryzen 7 5800h). It boots almost instantly. Maximum 5 Seconds. It's not a game oriented laptop. But it still has a rtx 3050 ti(4 gb). What I'm trying to say is that pure gaming laptops take significantly more time to boot than laptops which aren't meant for pure gaming
Ram upgradable?
@@some1754ram is not upgradeable. Neither is ssd
Hx toh bnd h na strt hone pr only 4 cores work kr rhe h dono mai isliye h aisa lol nd jitna bada process hoga like hx jb wo chlega na i 9 pr ryzen will hide under table
my acer nitro 5:This is hella slow
Lol ;p
It depends upon the size of ssd
I have scar 20 and strix G17 2023
Does size really matter?
There are valid things to compare between these two laptops, then there's this.
I did upload another comparison video between these two laptops, did you watch it?
@@gamersanditparadise should I?
Mine opens if 5 sec
El sonido cuando sale el logo es más bajo en la zephyrus??
Yes. Sound is quieter (on bootup) for Zephyrus. Otherwise the sound system on Zephyrus is no slouch.
fucking genius, of course.
and this matters why? They are both fast to start
Bro the other one meeds to boot Nasa specs meanwhile the other one is just booting patotos
Yea lol, thats quite a funny analogy but accurate :p
ngl as an amd user. I should’ve made a upgrade to ryzen 7.
Looking at a gaming laptop like that I don't think it needs to boot up fast
I have the g15 and it turns on in 6 sec
Bro i have a hdd lap
But my lap boots in less than 10 💀 seconds idk how?
Mine doesn't even last 5 minutes
what are the screen size if those laptops
14 and 17 inch
My laptop takes 3 min 😂 and I am ok with it
Or maybe not😔
my does like 1 minute to open
where'd you get an 800$ g14 yesterday when i went to the store they were selling for over 1K and that's the g401 series not even with the camera
Look for the 1650 config, you should be able to get it.. but yeah no webcam
@@gamersanditparadise mann i need a webcam one 😭been thinking to just get a tx3
My peedator helios neo 16 takes 5-7sec😂😂
Idc, strix looks cool af bro, It's so cool
No matter how fast is your laptop booting time...!! Windows blue screen is always win
my
ideapad gaming 3i: 6s
I have a scar 17 se
Now open cyberpunk and then do the comparison
Ryzen is always the best
What 😂😂
Yo can't compare dude most powerful processor is i 9 13900ks upto 6ghz not ryzen
Bro, u power on ur damn laptop like max 3 times for day, really a few seconds does matter ☠️?
my asus ROG STRIX G17 NOT scars boot up just 7 sec to home. i swear
Try with the same SSD
Scar 17 SE has 2 Gen 4 SSDs in RAID 0 with 13GB/sec read write speeds for sequential data. G14's ssd will make it even slower if anything.
This is Ssd's problem 😂😂😂
The crazy part is both of those laptops are better than my 600 dollar gaming laptop 😢 I’m so broke
I don't even have a gaming laptop cant even afford 200$ and ur thinking ur poor??
@@MobilelegendsYT-qs2yjthe lowest budget for gaming laptop are 400-500. 200$ is second hand business laptop lmaoo
Imma Grab the Ryzen 7 5800hs And rtx 3050 . This specs still goods this year ? The 2022 model is too pricy for me
Yea sure, also NVIDIA will always have the edge in things like ray tracing, DLSS and so on, whereas the 2022 G14 comes with AMD CPU/GPU combo which, although has very good performance in raster, the FSR and stuff it has, is nowhere near comparable to Nvidia's tech. By all means, go for it.
@@gamersanditparadise yes thank you 💯 I go for it G14 lezzzgoo
Size doesn't matter 😂
my old pc does 12 sec so
My acer nitro 5 an515-57 do 12 second in Shutdown
Only Boot time you will decide g14 wins
Lol year ..
Jitna high configuration utna to time lagega hardware access karne ke lie
Hola, los 2 tienen coil white??
Not on this one. But 2023 models suffer from coil whine.
zephyrus g14 for 800 USD? is this a used model
Nah nah, this is the base model with the GTX 1650 GPU, which makes it cheaper.
I got Ryzen 9 5900hs rtx 3050 ti for $840 but I used 640 hours in perfect condition with no scratches. Is it good deal in USA?
i got my pc 1 year ago cost £900 and it takes over 2 minutes to start up and load to even be usuable it was like that from whem i first got it are computers really meant to be this quick😭😭 probably shoulda got a refund 😂
Why isn't the power button on the left
Why should it be on the left? Most laptops have it on the right or center. Dont recall it being on the left on most laptops I've tried.
@@gamersanditparadise my old dell inspiron n5110 had the power button on the left but i am getting a asus tuf f15 which has the power button on the right so i was confused and thought my dell inspiron n5110 broken
Burh u testing SSD ?
Nah this isn't an ssd test. Otherwise ssd on the scar 17 se is like 10 times faster than the G14 (spoiler for next video).