Comparing the Seiko SKX and the Marinemaster 300
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- This is just a fun look at two of my favorite Seiko divers the SKX009 and the MM300. I examine the differences that make up the large gap in price. Is the MM300 really worth spending 10 times the price of the SKX? I felt the need to buy both. Let me know what you think in the comments, thanks!
Hey Bruce, my baby girl loves your voice. She would calm down and sleep soundly when I watch your channel. Thanks man!
Love your work, just ordered my first skx. cannot wait.
Great review , I have the seiko skx 007 on the stock jubalee and my skx 009 on a strap code super oyster and the stock jubalee bracelet is by far the most comfortable bracelet that I've ever owned. The stock jubalee with the polished center links was made for this watch, and looks amazing with the polished sides of the case and bezel. Great review. Personally I think that the skx looks better, however the Marine master is clearly the better watch !
Great review, Bruce. I just got an SKX009 and am very happy with it :-)
+Ranil Amarasuriya Thats awesome, I love wearing my SKX! Glad you are enjoying yours as well
Fantastic comparison...that Marinemaster really is beautiful...it grows on me the more that I see it.
+CG AWC Channel Be warned CG..... if you try it on... game over haha
+Bruce Williams LOL...well now I just want to try one on!
+CG AWC Channel next time I'm in Florida (every few years or so) you can wear it my fiend
Bruce Williams That would be awesome! I'm going to be doing a "hosting the host" series where I interview fellow you tubers...I'd love to add you to the list if you would be interested.
+Bruce Williams lol friend*
I like the way you do your videos ... subbed !
Another great video, thanks Bruce.
btw, that last pick in the video with the marine master on mesh - that formal look, my word.. heart attack. I really understand what you mean when you say ugly but beautiful.
Nick
Australia
Thanks Nick. Very cool hearing where your from 😀
Jesus, I didn’t know they even manufacture the oil they use on their movements. How cool is that.
Bruce,
Great watch review. I have both the SKX007 and SKX009 and sometimes put them on a black NATO strap
or on a Strapcode ENGINEER-II steel bracelet. I have other Seiko's put the SKX's are still the favorites.
Thanks for your comments on the Marinemaster 300. I'm going to learn more about it.
JJG
JJG, your very welcome. The SKX line are excellent watches. My favorite way to wear them is a nice thin NATO. 👍
Excellent review. Nice shots and a steady hand giving us a good look at the watches, and relevant information (not just obvious facts like "duh, it's blue and made from metal"). Also, am I the only one that thoroughly loves the rubber strap on the SKX (and on the MM of course!)? My SKX runs about 2-4 s slow per day, really happy with it!
Wow you have a really good SKX! It's always nice getting a very accurate one out of the box. I do really dig the mm rubber strap. I think the waffle style is so cool. I'm not a huge fan of the SKX strap mainly of his wide it gets on the wave section.
Really nice review, many thanks!!
+Larry Banda Your welcome!
You've made me almost pull the trigger on the marine master. Great review and comparison!
I can be a dangerous influence on your wallet!
true that!
i am sweating on the MM300 and the Darth tuna ATM. enjoying your MM vids
Nice video. Highlights reasons for price difference. Both offer great value given their quality and price. Not gone above sumo in Seiko range yet but can see temptation!
+stephen mcdonald Thanks Stephen, congrats on the sumo. Its a great watch. Seiko divers can get addictive!
Where did you get the brown leather band for the SKX009 seen in the open. Thanks
I got an SKX009K last week and really love it. CG sent Me.. I'm subscribing.
+torgomax Excellent choice, I love my 009k! Thanks for subscribing, I appreciate it. CG is awesome, her channel is one of my favorites :)
+Bruce Williams I've owned this watch for a week and I must admit that the strap is starting to bother me. I have small wrists..what should I do?
Thanks in advance.
+torgomax Did you get the bracelet or rubber strap? To be honest I didn't like any of the factory straps. The bracelet was too flimsy and the rubber too wide and stiff. I wear my SKX pretty much exclusively on NATO or a soft tapering leather strap and that makes a HUGE difference. A lot of people also like the aftermarket bracelets from Strapcode. I've tried the 'Superjubilee' from them and I liked it. They've apparently fixed the poor fitting end-link as well. The only other thing I could think of is sell it and get the SKX013. Its essentially the same as the 009 only thinner in width at 38mm Hope that is helpful!
Hi Bruce, lovely video again thanks... However having (had) both of just add the following. Movement aside if you do a good mod on the SKX, adding ceramic and sapphire it's easy harder to justify the price difference. I coveted the MM300 but could not justify the difference in value. Too similar! And I have to disagree with you; the MM is waay to too heavy.
Cheers from England
Great review man! I'm currently contemplating skx009 and the black 1st gen monster. Guess after I'll own those will step up to mm/shogun/sumo... Once you go seiko diver hard to look elsewhere ;)
Hey thanks! It's so true Seiko divers are a very slippery slope, once you start it's hard to stop haha. I had the 2gen orange monster last year, flipped it but miss it
Nice review Bruce
Thank you 👍
What's the Bezel made of? Is it Ceramic? BMJ ENGLAND
Great review!! TY !!
Thanks!
Thank you Bruce , nice video ! I have the same SKX ( 009 ) , for a month now, and let me tell you that the jubilee bracelet that comes with the watch , is NOT so bad as it looks and feels .
If you size it right to your wrist , it adapts to the movement of your wrist ! making the experience of wearing it very nice . I´m a lucky guy that has Rolex datejust with that bracelet , so I can compare ( of couse the swiss one feels more stiff , and looks better ) , but the Seiko´s has a good feeling on the wrist . By the way mine doesn´t have any play on the bezel and as soon I screw out the crown , it pops out , and again does not have any play at the crown as yours have ; according to the serial number mine was made in november 2003 ( tough I boughted in feb this year ) and yours , If I see it right on the video
starts with a 4 , so it would be from 2004 . I have read that the 7S26 movmnt needs a breaking time period to work properly , but I don´t know how the manufacture date and the sale date gap , could affect lubrication and performance , but so far mine , comparing to the "swiss" goes very well . Take care !
+JBGLX Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy hearing from other owners. I had an 007 last year with the stock bracelet. It was very comfortable but I ended up selling it. I also tried the strapcode superjubilee and didn't enjoy it either. I guess I am a Rolex Jubliee or bust kinda guy haha. Yes, your right I believe mine was from 04. I bought it 10 years after its production haha still running like a charm. Cheers!
The skx bracelet might just be the most comfortable in the universe. But feels cheap when you take it off.
Hey bruce where do i get them tobacco strap in the thumbnail?
Thanks for the video, great review. It would be useful for some of us to know your wrist size for comparison purposes, not sure if you mentioned it.
Great point, thanks! My wrist is 7.25"
I scratched the hardlex on my sumo and that's the first crystal
I ever scratched. I have hit the crystal on my skx and no issues! MM300 should have sapphire though
Another good one, Bruce! Lol I see what you mean about how one might think that it's ugly, but beautiful at the same time. I used to think the rolex submariner was hideous and now I want one. The marine master is growing on me, but I wish it was smaller.
Hey thanks man, it's funny how our perceptions of certain watches do complete 180s.... I've experienced that several times. Although the mm is one of my all time favs, I would love to see Seiko do a 40mm diver of the same quality 👍
+Bruce Williams 40mm would be absolutely perfect!
My SKX gains between 1 to 5 seconds per day, which quite surprised me. I guess I got really lucky with it.
That's so great, you got a keeper 👍
+Bacchus Leto My Squale 50 atmos is at 1 second atm.. I hope is stays that way.
+Bacchus Leto My SKX started out at +5 pr day but it seems to have "calmed down" to 1-3 seconds. I`m totally blown away by this "cheap beater". I have pieces 10x the price that can`t touch it for accuracy. I love my SKX and i love the jubilee bracelet
EVILSPAWN1003
Exactly! I have another SKX that keeps time under 10 seconds, although I haven't had it for as long as it took my other SKX to calm down. I'm impressed by the accuracy of these unregulated movements, and it always surprises me to hear of more expensive movements (i.e. Swiss) lacking the same level of accuracy.
+Matt R C thats great. My Squale 1521 started out 25-30 sec fast per day when brand new. Now its at 15-20sec fast after three weeks. Hope it gets better, quite disappointed.
great comparison
Great video's Bruce. Do you think you could get hold of a Citizen NB1031-53 Grand Touring Sport and compare it to the Marinemaster? It would be great to hear your opinion on them.
Thanks very much! I don't think so. I've been saving my money and from trying on the sport in a store- its just too big for me to buy. Lovely watch though
I bought my eldest son an SKX and myself the sbdxl017. He has his skx almost daily for the past 5 years and he is 21. I’ll give him my MM one day when he has earned it.
For what it's worth, I think the factory Rubber Strap and Jubilee are both excellent, and great for hot weather especially. Yes, they feel "cheap" I suppose but they are perfectly functional.
love the batmobile in the background haha
Haha thanks.... Big Lego fan and big batman fan here... Works out great! 👍
Thanks, great vids.
Thanks I appreciate it
Is that a 20mm Squale mesh band in your photo ? I was thinking of ordering one for my Sumo.
It's a 20mm polished mesh band by a German company called Staib. It's got a butterfly clasp and I've really enjoyed it. I bought it from holbensfinewatchbands.com
Nice to see these two models compared. A few remarks. I don't own a MM300, yet. But I do own a Sumo. And my Sumo and SKXs are in different classes. So I can see how the MM must be awesome. With regard to accuracy. Yes, out of the box accuracy with the SKXs is luck of the draw. But I think what should be added here is that any SKX 7S movement can easily be regulated to 5 - 10 seconds a day or even better. Also, personally I like the SKX's standard Z wave rubber strap. When you first start wearing it, it feel rather stiff. But after a while it gets really comfortable. In fact I prefer it over almost any other rubber strap, after market or Seiko. Well, accept for the MM rubber strap, that I have for my Sumo (looks great too, btw!) and the standard rubber strap for the SUN shrouded GMT Kinetics. I'm not sure if that's the same one that comes with the SRP Turtle? I would like that! Cause that's the next Seiko I will be buying! Anyway, thanks for this review. It was very helpful! And keep up the good work! Oh, I just subscribed to your channel!
+MrFitguru Thanks very much, I appreciate that. I love the sumo. One of the best value for money watches you can buy. As I understand the new straps that come with the turtle are the newer soft formula like the ones found on the sun gmts. I definitely plan on picking up the strap eventually for my 775. I enjoy wearing my Seikos on rubber as well. I hear the 7s movement is fairly easy to regulate. I think Seiko must regulate the new Marinemasters as mine is now running around 2 sec per day and I love it!
Thank you for the video. I bought a Turtle SRP777 which I feel is a nice middle ground between the two (size, performance, quality, price, etc).
Awesome! I recently got the 775 turtle and loving it 👍
I am sure you enjoy both these diver Seikos. I did not know the Marine Master, certainly a great piece, up there with Oris and Tudor.
Hi Bruce. I really like your videos as I am a massive fan of Seiko divers. I own an SKX007 which I love and am eyeing off the MM which looks great. I have a question for you. One of the the things I like about the SKX is the steep angle of the minute markers -in my humble opinion it just adds to the overall depth and "tool watch" character of the SKX that I like. Is the MM steep as well ? I could not tell from the video.keep up the great work Bruce cheers and thanks
Bren, thanks for commenting. It's always great hearing from another fellow Seiko fan! To answer your question, no. The chapter ring on the mm is much more angled and almost appears flat in some angles. Definitely a different look. I get what your saying though. I like having the diversity. Cheers!
I covet the Marine Master. Thanks for the review!
+Aron Dunlap Your welcome. I'm planning on doing a 6 month update next month
If I have to say one thing from Seiko, it will be their straps felt really cheap. Its like we design the best price quality ratio watch and we will just pop a cheap rubber band strap with it.
Good vid . The mm looks very good quality but I actually prefer the case shape of the skx more flowing and not as tall of the wrist.
Thanks Matthew!
That Marinemaster : ) Damn thats nice
Michael Kaldani thanks!
great comparo. just for the skx007. beautiful watch for the $
What's kind of brown leather strap is that on the 009 in the first picture?
What kind
Its a vintage rally strap I got from wristcandywatchclub.com its pretty soft and shorter than most straps
Where did you buy the leather strap looks pretty nice on it!
+lancer7610 No prob. I got them from Wrist Candy watch club. Here are the links: wristcandywatchclub.com/shop/vintage-brown-rally.html
and: wristcandywatchclub.com/shop/brown-side-stitch.html
I just purchased a SKX009J1 and bought a medal braclet from Strapcode along with a few NATO straps. Can't wait for it and waiting how I feels. After a while, I may get an Alpinist and another braclet for it and then work on getting an Grand Seiko Snowflake. Seiko fanboy!
Great comparo, Bruce. Stop putting the MM300 in front of the camera, I don't need any more watches 😂 👍
Lol, just don't try one on.... You'll be reaching for your wallet!
I've tried one about a month ago and had this love at first side. I'm also a Seiko lover and have several: recraft, atlas, fifty five tribute and a skx. Now comes my question. Do you think it worth to sell those 4 and then buy the MM 300? Congrats on your lovely video, BW!
Thanks. Tough question! I think you will miss those Seikos but there is a real magic about the MM so I would go for it
Thanks a lot for the reply! My wife offered me today a SKX009J1 so I guess now will have to wait more. But I´m love with the MM! :)
Excellent, wear in good health!
My skx 007 started like 10 seconds per day cuz after a week it's 1 minute advance but after a month of daily wear it seems to keep time accurately cuz after a week it didn't advance 1 minute anymore. New watches I think need a break-in period. I also heard that if you don't wear your watch it wouldn't keep time as accurate as it would if worn, it needs to be almost fully wound to work accurately that's the reason it keeps good time when worn daily.
Over here now in Oz, SKX goes for AU600, and the MM300 is around AU3000... the gap is narrowing, making the MM300 worth trading up to
The MM on mesh is nice!!!
i thought you were going to show the district 9.....cool review btw.
MM300 needs shappire, and also needs to be a "MM1000" given its size and solid case with no caseback.
Why- who dives deeper than 300m?! it is more than enough for 99.99% of the world
How do you open the mm300?
It's not easy. To access the movement you have to take off the crystal/handset/dial and go in from the top
the Marinemaster looks incredibly gorgeousssss
YES. You've got that right
Is MM worth 10x price of SKX?
very good video
Thanks!
Nice video, Bruce. How would you compare Sumo to the MM?
+mountainhobo Good question. I've been recommending the Sumo to my Dad. He wants to get his first Seiko. If he does I'll definitely do a video of the two. I think the sumo is the best bang for buck diver under $500. Case finishing is incredible. Lume is awesome, I like the applied indices and bold hands and bezel font. The bezel is a little difficult to opperate being partially shrouded by the case, the bracelet could be better as well. But other than that its a great solid diver that I do really recommend. The MM does exceed the Sumo in everyway but its also 3x the price, so it should.
+Bruce Williams I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on a sumo and put a MM 300 strap on it
+Jason Wilson Nice! I've seen pics of that combo and it looks good. FYI the mm rubber is the same hard rubber used on the cheaper z20 ones. I know Seiko makes a new silicone cased formula found on some of the newer releases but I don't know if it comes in 20mm
+Bruce Williams Have you had a Sumo on your wrist? I'm worried about the strap looking too thin due to the 20mm lug width
+Jason Wilson yes I owned a sumo a couple years ago. I actually thought the 20 lugs looked awesome. It accentuates the bulbous 'sumo' look of the watch 👍
Im quite surprised by the play in the crown. Ive just tried my sea urchin - cheaper than skx, and there is NO play at all...
Wow!
Ive actually checked all my watches, from Breitling, Rolex, several Seikos to my 50 quid Pulsar and the crown, when pulled out in any position, are absolutely solid. I googled it and SKX has a wobbly crown. blimey, if I got this watch and found out, I would send it back... its not a great impression. the stem is pretty fragile and the crown should be sitting in the stem protecting tube.
Dusan Veselka the crown seems to be regarded as a weak point of the watch. I've read that some people have trouble threading it. Mines still running strong 👍
Seiko Marinemaster or Tag Heuer aquaracer?
+Victor Tubandt Im a little biased ;) but I would say MM300! Although I have handed the past 3 generations of the aquaracers in person. Although they improve each generation I still think the Seiko is far ahead in terms of quality, value, and history. I like the fact that impressive technical prowess is displayed throughout the entirely in house manufacturing. The latest aquaracer did feel solid, I like the ceramic bezel, and the bracelet was comfortable. The MM is a steal at $2k. The Tag would be a steal at $1k not $3k Just my 2 cents.
I've pulled the the trigger today Bruce on the mm300 001 .. I'm gonna have to put it on rubber I think because of the weight...
AWESOME, congrats! Excited for you man
+Bruce Williams thanks Bruce .. Bit worried about the sizing but I love the skx and it looks small on my 7 inch wrist so I'm hoping to carry off the marinemaster 😬
+Massimo Galiero if you can carry off the skx, I think you will really enjoy the mm and it should be a problem
+Massimo Galiero shouldn't
+Bruce Williams thanks Bruce..really hope so .. Thanks man 👊
I prefer the SKX any day. Lucky for me it's heaps cheaper
nice comparison. mm300 needs sapphire.
It would be nice
Shawn Lavigne SEIKO logic: Hardlex crystal is easier to wound but harder to kill.
Shawn Lavigne SEIKO logic: Hardlex crystal is easier to wound but harder to kill.
Jeffrey KRUPA : I'm not buying it. I've never heard of anyone hurting their Rolex submariner or sea-dweller sapphire
SPDC051 and 061 have sapphire (I think thats the right numbers), 200m water resistance, and cost half the price. Crazy that Seiko put Hardlex in this thing.
I own both and I’d say the 007 is a mini and the MM300 is the Rolls-Royce 👍
What is the name of that bracelet?
I showed them on their stock rubber straps. Also a couple NATOs from wrist candy watch club in the beginning
+Bruce Williams I know but the one you showed at the end is a stainless steel one. It looked similar to the oyster but oyster doesn't have that extension.
+ZeroColdx911 oh gotcha! Yes that one is the stock bracelet the mm comes with. It comes with both the rubber and bracelet when you buy it. I've really liked it, I use the ratcheting extended everyday. Very handy feature
+Bruce Williams Yes indeed. Nice video and thanks for reading comments.
+ZeroColdx911 thanks for commenting 😊
But that SKX... classic!
hey Bruce do you still have the mm
Nope its been flipped. I miss it
I've done it multiple times!
I'm torn!!
Speedy.....3k omega 300m 2.2k or the MM 1.5k
I know they are all different
But I got bills I gots ta pay 😂
***** If you got bills then MM!
the BEST thing about the Marinemaster is that SWMBO sees a Seiko - she doesn't see a £2200k watch!
Is ur skx the "k" or "j" version
BCtechB the k version. I always prefer k to j
Bruce Williams why is that? Are there any reasons you prefer "k" to "j"? Perhaps you can film a video discussing ur thoughts. That would help me a lot since I'm thinking of getting the skx009 as my first mechanical watch
A lot of people like the J version because its made in Japan as opposed to Malaysia or Hong Kong. But I've found the bezel and corwn action is always more crisp on a K, and I also prefer the lower cost and fewer text on the dial (at least on the SKX). A SKX as your first mechanical is a great choice. I would buy a K version and possibly a strapcode bracelet if you want an upgrade.
I just do not like the look of the SKX bezel. I don't like that it doesn't have applied SS indices. It looks cheap.. I bought one and tried to love it but ended up giving it to my 13 yr old son. He loves it.
I feel the hands on the Marinemaster let it down, they just don't seem right on it.
Great review.
Regards.
Connell
Connell thanks for commenting, they certainly are unique like them or not :)
Funnily enough they were my favourite part of the watch- not sure if they grew on you or it's just a matter of taste but the solid no nonsense design with amazing detail and finishing really impressed me
Bueno,bueno, el reloj sx009 es icónico. Y el marine master diría que es el reloj pefecto(ni más,ni menos).
You said you got the MM300 for $1800??? Where??? And how does the MM300 have the ProspeX logo on the crown??? Ive never seen that on any MM300!!! PLEASE GET BACK TO ME ON THESE QUESTIONS!!! THANKS! :)
Barry the updated sbdx017 has the prospex logo on the crown as well as mems production, diashield, and new formula lume. I got my mm from seiyajapan.com when I bought it in November the exchange rates were more favorable, and I spent $1830. Now I think they are around $2000
Thank you soo much for the info and clarification, exponentially appreciated!!! I almost have the perfect collection to me. I have the Seiko SKX009, perfect, and the Citizen BN0000-04h (300m monocoque stainless case like the MM300, except for $200 and Eco-drive solar, look it up, pretty great bang for the buck) only to hold me over for the funding of the ultimate grail watch IMO without any doubt, the MM300!!! So yours is the SBDX017 and it's in production??? Thanks again, let me know!
+Barry Benkendorf your welcome and great collection. Yes the sbdx017 is the current production model. It replaced the long running sbdx001 last summer
+Bruce Williams
Thank you so much again! So the SBDX001 is a downgrade from the SBDX017 in every way??? No compromises on the SBDX017??? The pricing is soo good for getting so many upgrades that left me discouraged on the few imperfections of the SBDX001!!! (I.e. unsigned crown...) Let me know. Again thank you a million thank you's!!!
+Barry Benkendorf no problem. The 001 is not a downgrade. It's still an amazing watch. The only thing I really prefer about the 017 is the mems tech in producing the pallet fork and balance wheel. It really helps with the accuracy and longevity. If you get a 001 in the last year of its production run (2014) it should have it. All the 017s do. I absolutely love mine, cheers
the skx is a bargain you get more than what you pay for
whereas the mm you pay for what you get
both exceptional watches
For sure man
Skx 009 looks way better than that other watch by Seiko.
The skx009 looks better than the marine master. 😀👍
Love david dengs knives! #reate
The difference is you wear your SKX when you embark on a solo sailing trip in the Indian Ocean
I know omega Co-axial misses teeths from its escapement very often! Causing acuracy issues, Very unreliable! If anything? Seiko do keep a much time than omega. I say this from experience. Only omega took the bait from George Daniel. I would never consider buying an omega with co-axial escapement! I do have an omega watch without the co-axial
Date/ Day ..... the SKX wins,
Nice review. But let's be fair, to say they wear smaller is simply not true. They wear the size that they are. I own the skx and it does not wear smaller than what it is. It feels like a bulky watch on the wrist. With that said, the Marinemaster is the better looking watch of the two.
+mac daddy To each his own. I think they wear smaller than the 42.5mm diameter. Compare that with say a 40mm Damasko with the crown at 3 and you'll notice a large difference between the two. Your definitely right. The MM is the better looking watch. I love mine :)
skx looks much nicer
I don't see the ugly
+John Fraser I don't either anymore haha! But I did the first time I laid eyes on it. Apparently I'm not the only one who once was unattracted to it, and now considers it one of the most beautiful divers you can buy
Skx009 is more accurate
Marine master a modern update.
Skx is a dinosaur.
put it out to grass.
They all have a good looking dive watches compare to other brands, you pay what you get, at the same cost, a quartz or solar watches are better quality and last longer.