I have 007k and 009j. The case polishing quality is the same on the both. The bezel is better on the 009j. Less play and different sounding clicks. The dial is perfect on the 007k, but 009j has quite a bit misaligned lume dots. Also the crown threads nicer on the 007k. The japan version being better is just an urban myth. The actual quality varies from watch to watch regardless where it was made. I also prefer the k version cleaner dial.
Yes they have to print "made in japan" due to some government custom regulations and restraints. Or maybe they are specifically made for local market. Its already been debated on watch forums. Testimonies reveal similar accuracy in the long run.
Yep, and the differences you speak of are merely variances in the manufacturing processes, but are all within tolerances. There is no difference whatsoever in functionality or quality.
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Interesting video, TGV, thaks for doing it. if I were to put my professional Six Sigma Black Belt quality person hat on here, I would say that I am not at all surprised that there is no practical difference between the J and K versions of this watch. And knowing that they are a Japanese product, this comes as absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever. The Japanese are absolutely incredible at removing variation in their manufacturing processes and operations, to a degree that is pretty much unmatched by anyone else. The fact of the matter is, if you take a very robust and well-characterized manufacturing process, and transport it somewhere else, using the same process, parts, and materials manufactured at the same tolerances, and using operators with the same assembly proficiency, there will be no difference in the product quality. Quality is a result of HOW you do things, not WHERE you do them. Additionally, it's important to understand that there are no two parts made by anyone that are EXACTLY the same; if you had precise enough measurement systems, you would be able to measure some difference in the parts. The important thing is whether there is any PRACTICAL difference due to this variation, and this again is where the Japanese are legendary for their ability to produce products with very little variation. But, there will always be *some* variation in any manufacturing process, no matter how good it is, and this is why there are "tolerances" that are established for manufacturing to accomodate for this routine variation (also called common cause variation). From your review, I would say that any differences you detected between the J and K models are very small difference that were within the tolerance limits for the manufacturing process, and that these differences have no practical impact on performance or product quality. Also, to be fair, comparing an N of 1 of each is not a statistically valid sampling for this purpose, but it made for an interesting video anyway. With respect to your original purpose, which model to use for modding, I would use the K version as it is for all practical purposes identical to the Japanese made model, but cheaper, so you will get the same quality for a lower cost, which will lower the cost of your BOM (Bill of Materials). Cheers, Stephen
Ghost Face can’t speak to his, but I have one that’s 3 or 4 years old and it still runs like new. It’s always been running ever so slightly fast and I’ve been waiting for it to slow down so it would keep perfect time but no luck. It’s still a bit fast lol.
I purchased a 007/009 both K and the chapter ring both align properly no issues. They both run fast, but no worst than my ETA movements in my Hamilton and Tissot.
I've become obsessed with watches ever since I stumbled onto the Urban Gentry channel two weeks ago. Just ended up buying the Seiko SKX0007J1! I'm starting a collection!
I’ve got kids and life is a constant battle to earn a crust and provide: bills, holidays, cars, a house, shopping etc... when the kids move out (not for a while), I’d love to buy a few watches and maybe learn to service them, starting with the simple movements and build up; who knows. Love your video’s. Haven’t watched them for a bit but delved again and love every minute of it. Cheers mate, keep it up.
Both products are made in the same factory in Malaysia. Japan model has final assembly in Japan. Any differences you see in terms of polish, color, etc. are simply differences in batch runs.
Although these days it don't matter terribly china or Korea / Malaysia made seiko or anything Japanese , there's still something special about a product leaving a Japanese factory , well at least to me as I have a close desire for Japan's best ... it could be a mindset thing!
I would agree 💯. Seiko is a Japanese company so it would make absolute sense that the citizens of that country would take just a bit more pride and honor making these in their home country.
Wow, what a great presentation. No speculation, no BS, just the facts...finally. A this-or-that comparison really, although I'm sure there are those purists who would indeed pay extra for the "Made in Japan" and "21 Jewels" in the dial. As for the project, I would simply go with the K version. You're modding it and therefore removing the "purist" attraction of the Japanese watch. Plus, the more vibrant blue of the dial leans closer to TGV's signature. Let the purists have the J; mod the K.
The Urban Gentry i own rolex datejust 38. which I wear occasionally. the J is sold where I'm based for 210 USD. would you recommend getting one as a daily driver?
@@theurbangentry The Australian owners of Chinese-made Tesla Model 3 and Model Y EVs are very happy campers indeed. In fact, I would hazard to say that most drivers are not aware that their EVs are made in China. It really goes without saying that the same Tesla drivers are oblivious to the fact, even indifferent, that their Apple iPhones are made in China. Indeed, much has changed in society since this video was produced way back in November 2015. To the point that before too long, nearly all Australians are going to abandon Japanese petrol ICE cars as the stubborn, foolish and backward Japanese have ignored the EV revolution which has been well underway for 5 years now. ‘Made in Japan’ just does not have the same cachet as it did back in the 1990s. Everything changes. th-cam.com/video/xwmdtyWgQdw/w-d-xo.html
@@user-ty4bo1um4u Yeah damnit...If I had a lot of money, I swear I would NOT buy a single thing made in china...Even garbage bags I would make them bespoke in Germany, France, Italy, UK, USA or Japan...!
If Seiko set up their own factory in Malaysia and still make 100 percent of their own parts it is still Japanese made…. In fact more Japanese made than many Swiss watches are Swiss made because all of them except Rolex recently, outsource parts to cheaper countries, usually Asia.
I've ordered the K version after further research. Seiko have stated that the watches are the same internally, so all differences are external. I'm looking for a bargain high-quality watch, so an extra £50 for the J would significantly chip away at my satisfaction with the end result. Even if they were the same price I would still prefer the K's dial face, but your mileage may vary.
I bought myself the Japan version for Christmas and absolutely love everything about it. My brother has the Malaysian one,and they're hard to tell apart!!
You do such a great job at reviewing watches. I always love it when the next video pops up. I sit and watch it with a beer. Its great to see how much passion you have for these things. Brilliant! Greetings from New Zealand.
This is the best Seiko SKX009 review on TH-cam. Point by point analysis by Urban Gentry, I will take to the bank any day! Imagine checking the rate as to fast or slow. I want a faster watch than a slower watch..PERIOD. Every Rolex I have runs seconds fast, not slow. JAPANESE all the way after watching this review. I do not care about a higher price point.
Maybe this is a silly question, but I gotta ask: Are you certain that these are all K/J differences, or could they simply be variations between different batches of watches? It's hard for me to imagine why someone would make sure that all the lighter-blue bezels get sent to Malaysia, for instance...unless maybe both factories are making their own bezels in-house? I dunno. I've long been dubious of the whole J/K thing, anyhow...I've never seen a concrete case for 'these watches are made in this factory and those watches are made in that factory'...they could very well ALL be made in Malaysia, and simply be run as different lines for export to different places...Example: it may not be legal to import a Maylay watch into the US that has 'Japan' on the dial, even if the movement is Japanese; so they just name the movement and leave the 'Japan' off. Anyway, great videos, anyway, man. You're making me really want a Squale, if nothing else..
+Irving Washington Great question, Irving, and consistent with my post above. In my opinion, there is no practical differences between the performance or quality of the J or K models. Whatever difference TGV observed is likely, as you (quite correctly, IMHO) point out, variation between "batches", though I do not think Seiko use a "batch and queue" manufacturing, but probably LEAN manufacturing based on customer pull. The reason some are still made in Japan is, if I were to hazard a guess, that Japanese customers require a piece manufactured in Japan, so the reason for the J model is actually for marketing purposes, rather than any practical difference in quality. And to be fair, one cannot really make a statistically valid assessment of any differences in product quality from a sample size of N=1 for each model.
+Stephen Scharf I was planning on buying a SNZF15J1 or SNZF15K1. Do you think that they will have the same things in common as described and showed in the video including the color of the bezel?
+Lorenz Müller Hi Lorenz, I really don't know. There is variation in *any* and *every* manufacturing process, and some of that could be the shade of blue or color in the bezels. As I pointed out above, one cannot make a statistically valid determination from an N of 1. Personally, I think there is virtually no practical difference in quality between the two models.
Very keen question in your first paragraph. The video does have assume that each watch is representative of all other produced from their respective countries, which is a pretty big assumption to make. TGV does make a quick mention of this conundrum near the end of the video. Nonetheless, thanks for pointing this out.
I also wonder how many of those parts were manufactured outside the assembly plant and sent to both factories. It wouldn’t surprise me if the lume paste was made in one place and then shipped to Malaysia and Japan for example.
As a newcomer to collecting, the SKX 009J is my first diver (and my first automatic). I think people could argue the merits of each watch until we're all blue in the face. As long as it gets an SKX on someone's wrist, and gets more people into watches, I'm all for recommending either version. Next on the list for me, is a Tissot Le Locle Powermatic 80 in gold :D
Is it just me, or does the black strap on the SKX009J influence how the blue on the dial is perceived? Does it look darker b/c it is right next to a black rubber strap vs a metal jubilee strap that the SKX009K model is on?
Interesting video mate. I'm a big fan of the SKX007 personally. This whole diver was my very favorite as a kid. I recently got two 6309s, one black, one Pepsi. Even tho they are "only Seiko", this watch (whole familly) has something very special. Thank you for the awesome video buds.
I agree that the bezel of the K model is prettier. Also, the K dial has a better quality finish. With that the movement is the same I must vote for the K. In fact, after watching this video, it is now on my list.
I just got my SKX007j version. I'm impressed with the accuracy. 1 to 2 sec max a day is way better than my other swiss watches that are off 5 to 10 sec a day. Can't go wrong with SEIKO. affordable great watches!
I love these reviews on affordable watches! You really are carving an audience. Some of us cant spend $5k on a timepiece. Please keep doing these on affordable brands.
I bought a J version, had it for about a week. worn it most days and haven't had to adjust the time. only lost 2 seconds over the week. VERY pleased with that.
what about the options for the weekday secondary language of J vs K? as for the back sticker, could the more-metallic version be due to a higher polish on the case-back? and aren't japan movements also branded japan on the inside? also, don't the K models have the K1 (rubber strap) and K2 (jubilee) option.
Great video TGV! I also had some slight issues with the crown on my 007K, BUT I have a little tip for you to make it smooth as butter(this is for every screw down crown watch). Take a little piece of waxed floss wire and gently clean the threads, not only are the threads clan but also slightly lubricated. Do this every now and then and you will not only keep the threads clean from dirt and making the crown screwing in very smooth, but you also protect the threads on the tube by keeping a little bit of lubricant on the threads to prevent metal on metal grinding, keeping the threads of the crown tube in better condition for a longer time!
Very good review! Well done! In my opinion, there is really no difference, I ordered SKX007K version one ebay and cannot wait for it to arrive. Both of them are genuine Seiko watches so really you cannot go wrong with any of them. Best Regards.
Just recently ordered the 007; had originally bought the 009, however I felt compelled towards the simplicity and elegance of the black dial. Feel a bit guilty as some would argue it's a whimsical purchase. Alas it seems, I've caught the horological bug.
I have a SKX009k. Got it a few years ago and I didn't even know there were differences between the versions. That's what I love about watch collecting, everyday is a school day! Thanks TGV
With watches made in such great numbers, there might be a greater difference between watches made in the same plant than between the j and k version. That said, j version might have a greater re-sell and collectors value.
I've had several 009K & 007K watches. They're were great watches. They were modified and then flipped. I missed the 009 and just bought my first J. It just felt like the "correct" 009 for me. That's me for another great video.
Japanese all the way.The finishing is far superior & i actually prefer the darker tone of the dial & bezel. I like a clean & simple look to the dial but i'd be willing to pay that little bit more for the extra text.
+stephen rhodes Actually the components in both watches come frome the same factories. For the japanese law, a product can be signed 'japanes' even if it's produced outside japan in a japanese controlled factory. There is no guarantee that the movement of the 'j' version is actually made in japan.
They are identical, it's not fabricated by hand it's by machine. The Seiko production machines are the same in Malaysia. After researching this topic extensively I could not find ANY reliable evidence that the J version is actually made in japan vs being made elsewhere destined for different markets. To take 2 random SKX### and compare is not realistic to draw a comparison because those same differences can be said for any 2 skx watches. This has more to do with their quality assurance and consistency (dials, alignment, color temp, etc) and less to do with the J/K.
I’ve owned both for 20+ years , and I believe it’s the most iconic watch Seiko has ever made . That being said , all of my Malay versions have run slightly slow and gotten slower through their lives . The exact opposite has happened with the Japanese versions . They’ve slightly sped up as advancing in age . Even after adjusting the movements . This is only the outcome between 5 different models , 3 Malaysian and 2 Japanese. Take from it what you will , I’m convinced that it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other overall .
The Australian owners of Chinese-made Tesla Model 3 and Model Y EVs are very happy campers indeed. In fact, I would hazard to say that most drivers are not aware that their EVs are made in China. It really goes without saying that the same Tesla drivers are oblivious to the fact, even indifferent, that their Apple iPhones are made in China. Indeed, much has changed in society since this video was produced way back in November 2015. To the point that before too long, nearly all Australians are going to abandon Japanese petrol ICE cars as the stubborn, foolish and backward Japanese have ignored the EV revolution which has been well underway for 5 years now. ‘Made in Japan’ just does not have the same cachet as it did back in the 1990s. Everything changes. th-cam.com/video/xwmdtyWgQdw/w-d-xo.html
just curious, why did you switch for the lume shot ? The whole video the Japanese version was on the left, in the lume shot you switched to it being on the right...
You can see the steel becelet still glinting slightly in the darkness - on the right! I could be wrong but I think it was TGV's first on camera mistake!
I noticed this as well, and felt that the one on the left was slightly brighter, and had almost imperceptably smaller footprint, as we saw with the light on. The Japan seemed to be on the left, and slightly superior. I would have liked to see a comparison after an hour.
I would go with the K version. The differences are so negligible that in reality there are only three; 1) Differences on the dial and case back - 21 jewel; made in Japan 2) The price - 10-20% difference 3) The availability I always prefer local dealer if the conditions are the same. As if there is something is wrong with the purchase it is much easier to deal with returns and you support local business. Can’t wait to hear more about the project and what you have in mind. The way you talk about makes it look like you have something very special planned. Thank you for the videos. Best, Marko S.
Greetings from Australia! I find your enthusiasm and joy for watches absolutely infectious, so much so that I recently treated myself to new batteries in my 80s Seamaster 1432 and Seiko World Timer that I hadn't worn in decades and I now am checking out the best prices on the Seiko Diver. I hope I can stop at 3 watches....
The J version crown thread might be more coarse for a reason. The pitch might greater to give better water resistance. A more coarse thread will also be better for resisting stripping and better against cross threading and thus will last longer.
I just received the K version. I will be presenting it to my son who graduates college next Sunday. I was very concerned about the J vs K. But after seeing your video TGV my mind is at ease. Thank you.
I have had the SKX007 J for several years and the only difference from the 009 I think is the bezel colors. Its a great watch and the Jubilee band is great and very comfortable. Having seen the video I don't think J or K would be much of an issue for me now. Both seem to be of very high quality.
Great video,most likely both watches are made in a same factory in Malaysia due to a Jappanese import law requirements that can be made outside of Japan.If you want truly made in Japan watch you have to go with GS,Credor,Galante and some of the Prospex watches like MM300,MM600 Tunas exc.
I've only recently discovered The Urban Gentry and impressive reviews and comments of TGV. My very modest and low cost watch collection includes a couple of Seiko 5's, titaniums and 2 Bulovas, but TGV has really pulled me in on the whole SKX Thing. I'm in UK and i'm now scanning ebay and Amazon for SKX's. I need to decide on J or K now though. Keep up the good work TGV!
Thanks TGV for doing this review as I am in the market for a SKX009J. I am not sure if you watched the video before posting it, however my eyes did pick up a couple of points. When you did the lume shot you mentioned that the Japanese version was on the right (@14:47) yet I could distinctly tell that the watch on the right, it's lume was not as bright (a couple of nits off) and a slightly different colour as you yourself suggested. Which got me thinking. Would SEIKO have inferior lume? I would not have thought so. So I tried to check if you had your watches mixed up 'J' on the right and 'K' on the left as that was how you explained them to be. Further into the lume section of the video I did see the jubilee bracelet on the right side of the video. So no, you had not mixed up you watches, yet you had definitely said the 'J' was on the right. Anyway, sorting all this out in my head re-affirmed that the Japanese version had the superior lume and I was happy. It is definitely brighter (more punchy and crisp) on the 'J' to my eyes than on the 'K' version. So I have to disagree with you regarding the lume on the 'K' version. Hope you don't mind me being a bit picky with you there. Also when you did the macro shot of the lume before 'lights out', I noticed that the lume on the Japanese version was smaller and more raised. So considering that I thought it's (lume - the 'J' version) was brighter then you would have to conclude that it is superior. By this time I had watched that part of the video 4 times! Love your channel. GB.
Hi TGV, I would call it a clear draw! But personally, I would prefer the Japanese version, because it's the more authentic one. The real deal. Best regards, Claus
in the middle of acquiring my skx009 now as my work watch.. im in one the nyc union construction skill fields, and using the seiko as my work watch. gonna keep it on a zulu.. plan to get it bead blasted a military sand style color. think it will give it more practicality and will X out scratching the steel case. these mods you can do with the SKX are endless. as a separate leisure SKX i plan on changing the hands of a 007 and throwing a super presidents on it and give that a try. Truly exciting! shows how seikos, squales and other brands of the same caliber are truly so much fun. its not all about hodinkee watch of the month that sold for 6 figures at christies auction lol but those are cool too ;)
Enjoyed the comparison. Finally ordered an SKX009 today on a rubber strap as I already have a solid navy blue NATO on hand. If you like blue dials the under $100 Seiko 5 SNKL07 has a beautiful dial and makes for a dressy 39mm number on a nice strap. Have a nice Thanksgiving and thanks for the 009 review.
Great comparison, TGV! It's easier to come by the K version so I'm probably going to end up with that one. And if this video has convinced me of anything, it's that I need to get an SKX009 - K or J version, lol.
It's now June 2018. But J model is about $100 more than the K model. Definitely not worth $100 difference. I bought the K model and the Orient Bambino for only $20 more combined.Great video
Hi TGV, Many thanks for the great job, it's a pleasure to follow your Chanel development since you started the Chanel. Here is what I think about the K and J version and what I found in different watch forums. K and J watches are both made side-by-side in the same factories in Malaysia. The J watches are intended for the Japanese market and are allowed to state 'made in Japan' due to lax Japanese consumer laws. When available in the same store (eg Creation, Skywatches) the price difference is typically $20 or $30 between K and J models. It should be pretty obvious that if the J watch was really made in Japan, it would carry a much greater premium due to massively higher labor costs. Some raw parts may be made in China. The watch is made in Malaysia. J and K models are made in the same Malaysian factory. The assembly line for the J models will have a Japanese employee supervising, otherwise they are identical to the K models. The presence of the Japanese employee allows them to state 'made in Japan' in the Japanese market (according to Japanese country of origin laws). But other countries have stricter laws which is why they produce both a K and J model. If you have a J model it means it was intended for Japan market only. Seiko could not officially sell the J model in USA because the country of origin markings would violate US law. Regards from Germany Ilja
I purchased my SKX009J in the fall of 2017. I don’t know if the J is “better” than the K, but for just a $20 premium at the time, I got the J because I didn’t want to wonder what I might be missing with the K! Also, I’m a bit bummed that I got an example that runs 10-15sec slow per day.
if the price was the same I would go for the J, the better polish means higher quality workmanship and attention to detail for me. crown not so important because how often do you need to adjust the time if it's a good watch? and I like to see "made in Japan" on thing that are meant to come from Japan.
Great one TGV. I've had the 009 K version since July, and love it. Bought it on rubber for about $165, but wear it almost exclusively on a heavy black nato. It looks great. Love the Pepsi dial. For a while I was really thinking of splurging for an Omega or Rolex. But it's hard to justify the cost of those when you can have a watch this nice that you can wear everyday with no worries.
+Brian Gallagher Thank you Brian, I certainly does make one wonder why we spend more. Great comment, enjoy your SKX with pride my friend. Best regards, TGV
Why a Swiss-made Omega or Rolex? Prestige and a sense of accomplishment. It is the same reason why people buy and drive German Audi or Mercedes cars. Yes, for those who drive garden variety Toyota, Volkswagen or Ford cars this is all straight out pretentiousness. But, for those in the more leafy and upmarket neighbourhoods, prestige does matter. Having said this, the Seiko diver watches are fantastic timepieces which are made to a professional standard. These Seikos are rated _down_ to 200 metres after all. 🤿
I just bought a SKX009. I weighed up the arguments in the video review and can see both sides of why you would choose a J or a K. In the end I went for a J. Great video and thanks for the information on both the models.
Unless you are a collector who needs the "Made in Japan" on the dial, go for the K version, they are exactly the the same, only assembled in different countries.
Finally, someone did a side by side. really cool to see them next to each other in detail. I like the cleaner dial on the K version more (It doesn't say "21 Jewels" on it). If I had to pick one, I'd go K.
The watch's origin makes a big difference for me ,especially these days as almost everything is being made in China or Malasia.I have a "J" version and this makes the watch more desireable.I can make a bet that if two Seiko SKX owners met the first question asked would be about the watch's country of origin :-)...no offense for "K" version owners.
+Gary Xu This is the address of retailer I bought the watch from - ( AMAZON )WATCHDEAL John's Jewel Box UNIT 2 KINGS SQUARE SHOPPING CENTRE WEST BROMWICH WEST MIDLANDS B70 7NW GB Also you can find some watches on Ebay mostly from Japan and US - it means VAT & CUSTOM DUTY may apply...With regard to the watch itself , consider a nato strap either made of leather or a regular one.In my eyes SEIKO SKX007 / 009J look amazing when put on it as both bracelet and rubber strap look and feel cheap.My rule is - one colour strap (black,desert sand,red-this made of leather) for SKX009 due to its PEPSI bezel (except the blue one ) and multiple coloured nato straps (must contain a black colour) for SKX007 due to its black & silver colour.
I bought my SKX009K2 from a local watch dealer in Tokyo. I was given the stamped Seiko International Model Warranty card but the guarantee is only valid in Japan. So they are selling the SKX009K2 within Japan.
One thing I have noticed with SKXs, irrespective of J or K, the older ones 97-99 seem to have better defined cases with tight lines and edges whereas the newer ones have very much more softened case contours. It's almost as if the milling patterns have worn down over time and now all the newer ones have much softer less well defined cases.
Just as a rule of thumb, a newer watch, all things being equal, should run a bit fast if not perfect. Assuming these are new, and both will slow down over time, the Japanese version, will err towards being MORE accurate over the next few years, whereas the other version will just get further out of whack. Being slower is not a deal breaker, because they are aiming for perfect time, and any descrephancy, especially on an automatic worn by vastly different people, could go either way, but it is a red flag for me when a watch is on the negative side. I prefer a newer watch to be fast. It might even get a bit FASTER as it breaks in, but as it ages, it will get slower. It is an advantage to have a watch on the fast end of things, because it will be within tolerance for a longer period of time, as it slows to perfection over years, and then slowly loses seconds over even more time, without need for adjustment for many years.
Interesting note as well, I am an American living in the Philippines and the Seiko watches made in Japan are easily pawnable here and the K/Malaysia versions are questionable. 👍🏻
Interesting note as well, I am an American living in the Philippines and the Seiko watches made in Japan are easily pawnable here and the K/Malaysia versions are questionable. 👍🏻
Very good comparison! I like your vids, they explore all nuances and in a professional and calm manner. I find it relaxing just watching your reviews :-) Thanks!
If the Malaysian version was less than Japanese, why Seiko keep made them there ? I think the mass production are done in Malaysia to keep the price low by lowering the shipping cost or Malaysia has iron "to make stainless steel" Japan actually doesn't, they import iron it ! so it's business, Go with the K version.
Jeff D I don't believe that otherwise the bezels would be identical. If you look at the shot where he compares the cases (and has them stacked) you can clearly see the bezel grip is different and the cut round the bezel is in a different place. Also if they were both made in Japan they would both say that surely. People say the only difference is the day wheel print so why would they both not be identical apart from the day wheel? Also there's a chap on a forum I go on who emailed Seiko to ask. He posted their reply where they said they are made in different countries & went on to justify the quality by saying a lot of manufacturers make some of their products in other countries and the quality is still good. I'm pretty sure Seiko would be more happy to say they were all made in Japan rather than having to justify the K version being just as good.
I have both watches ( well one with a ss bezzel and one with pepsi bezzel ) and as an experiment I wore both watches one on each hand for a month after setting them to the computer time ! And the damn malasian watched gained 12 minutes and 40 seconds ! The Japan one lost 38 seconds ! ! I am guessing something to do wth the quality of the lubricants used ! Maybe I dunno !
oh well maybe its like that ! Still japan or Malasia !!! Anything is better than those damn battery watches !!! except some of the casio 10 year edifice ones they are cool ! But the ones that need new batteries every year ,,,,,, forget it they suck !
+Marwen BEN AZZOUZ correct. The most accurate mechanical movements will still be beaten by a cheap Quartz. People buy automatic watches for the craftsmanship, status, etc.
Hello TGV, Great video. I recently picked up a SKX 009. I was going back and forth on which one to buy, the Japanese or Malaysia. I personally didn't see enough of a difference to purchase the Japanese version. I'm very happy with mine. The only think I changed was the bracelet. I purchased a Strap Code Super Oyster which I'm very happy with. It's very well constructed. Regards, Wayne
Hi TGV. A very thorough and in-depth review here. Nice one. If I were to pick one to be "modded" I'd go with the K version, simply because it's a little less expensive, and the extra bucks saved could possibly go towards better quality modifications. All very intriguing old chap. Thanks for your time. Best regards to you and yours.
Yes, indeed, just a commercial fuss, after years and years of collecting Seiko watches I can say that they survived on market because they sell a bohemic idea of Japan some kind of mystic jambo (J1 vs K1 bull). Otherwise they use the same old movements just on new cases. Really, they are all made on cnc machines, mass production, and some obsessed people buy them because other convinced them that this is the sh*t. A watch is a tool and not an idol of pride. In these days even Swiss brands are messing with caliber numbers to convince people that an eta 2824 putted on a known brand is more valuable than on a young brand. I collect my watches carefully because when fever of collecting stops you will truly appreciate a watch or a brand for their real value.
pengo242 Nope. Some countries let them get away with a BS concept of extraterritoriality because it makes them look more "prestigious" Notice what the 2nd language for the weekdays is, it'll give you some idea...
Excellent video. In some models the J version are sold to the Middle East as well so they have a different day wheel. I think it's also a marketing strategy of some retailers who sell the J version at a higher price when there is no obvious difference. I got an urchin a few months back and one retailer was selling the J version for $20 more than the K version.
You're the only channel that I know of that goes into such detail with their reviews, TGV. Nicely done! I'm usually pretty good at noticing differences, but these two watches were a bit of a challenge for me until you pointed them out. Personally, I like the K version due to the more vibrant blue. And to be honest, I don't think the differences are that significant to warrant paying extra for the J.
I have a Malysia SKX007 and very happy with it. no defects or problems since 2015 April or so. Yep. Only cost me 173€, affordable. Mine goes ahead a little. after days of use the minute hand is ahead of the real time a little. It ticks too fast slightly. Lume is great, approved by Lume Priests.
Have the 009 in a J version with Jubilee and the 007 in a K which I alternate with a Crafter/NATO. Great beater watches that can handle any setting the beach, boardroom, back country or pub. Love them absolutely iconic.
I think in the lume test you mentioned the J as the one in the right. But you Actually had the K on that side. I can see the metal bracelet in the dark. Just saying it. Excellent comparison.
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I have 007k and 009j. The case polishing quality is the same on the both. The bezel is better on the 009j. Less play and different sounding clicks. The dial is perfect on the 007k, but 009j has quite a bit misaligned lume dots. Also the crown threads nicer on the 007k. The japan version being better is just an urban myth. The actual quality varies from watch to watch regardless where it was made. I also prefer the k version cleaner dial.
Yes they have to print "made in japan" due to some government custom regulations and restraints. Or maybe they are specifically made for local market. Its already been debated on watch forums. Testimonies reveal similar accuracy in the long run.
Mondyone All these variations are a function of Seiko's somewhat casual approach to (non-ISO) QC, rather than country of manufacture.
Yep, and the differences you speak of are merely variances in the manufacturing processes, but are all within tolerances. There is no difference whatsoever in functionality or quality.
The Australian owners of Chinese-made Tesla Model 3 and Model Y EVs are very happy campers indeed. In fact, I would hazard to say that most drivers are not aware that their EVs are made in China.
It really goes without saying that the same Tesla drivers are oblivious to the fact, even indifferent, that their Apple iPhones are made in China.
Indeed, much has changed in society since this video was produced way back in November 2015. To the point that before too long, nearly all Australians are going to abandon Japanese petrol ICE cars as the stubborn, foolish and backward Japanese have ignored the EV revolution which has been well underway for 5 years now.
‘Made in Japan’ just does not have the same cachet as it did back in the 1990s. Everything changes.
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Interesting video, TGV, thaks for doing it. if I were to put my professional Six Sigma Black Belt quality person hat on here, I would say that I am not at all surprised that there is no practical difference between the J and K versions of this watch. And knowing that they are a Japanese product, this comes as absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever. The Japanese are absolutely incredible at removing variation in their manufacturing processes and operations, to a degree that is pretty much unmatched by anyone else. The fact of the matter is, if you take a very robust and well-characterized manufacturing process, and transport it somewhere else, using the same process, parts, and materials manufactured at the same tolerances, and using operators with the same assembly proficiency, there will be no difference in the product quality. Quality is a result of HOW you do things, not WHERE you do them. Additionally, it's important to understand that there are no two parts made by anyone that are EXACTLY the same; if you had precise enough measurement systems, you would be able to measure some difference in the parts. The important thing is whether there is any PRACTICAL difference due to this variation, and this again is where the Japanese are legendary for their ability to produce products with very little variation. But, there will always be *some* variation in any manufacturing process, no matter how good it is, and this is why there are "tolerances" that are established for manufacturing to accomodate for this routine variation (also called common cause variation). From your review, I would say that any differences you detected between the J and K models are very small difference that were within the tolerance limits for the manufacturing process, and that these differences have no practical impact on performance or product quality. Also, to be fair, comparing an N of 1 of each is not a statistically valid sampling for this purpose, but it made for an interesting video anyway. With respect to your original purpose, which model to use for modding, I would use the K version as it is for all practical purposes identical to the Japanese made model, but cheaper, so you will get the same quality for a lower cost, which will lower the cost of your BOM (Bill of Materials).
Cheers,
Stephen
Stephen Scharf
Thanks for this on point comment.
Well said
So true!
Nice
Very well articulated!
I bought the K version yesterday and can not stop giving it a glance.
Ghost Face can’t speak to his, but I have one that’s 3 or 4 years old and it still runs like new. It’s always been running ever so slightly fast and I’ve been waiting for it to slow down so it would keep perfect time but no luck. It’s still a bit fast lol.
I purchased a 007/009 both K and the chapter ring both align properly no issues. They both run fast, but no worst than my ETA movements in my Hamilton and Tissot.
I've become obsessed with watches ever since I stumbled onto the Urban Gentry channel two weeks ago. Just ended up buying the Seiko SKX0007J1! I'm starting a collection!
How is the collection looking these days?
I’ve got kids and life is a constant battle to earn a crust and provide: bills, holidays, cars, a house, shopping etc... when the kids move out (not for a while), I’d love to buy a few watches and maybe learn to service them, starting with the simple movements and build up; who knows. Love your video’s. Haven’t watched them for a bit but delved again and love every minute of it. Cheers mate, keep it up.
Both products are made in the same factory in Malaysia. Japan model has final assembly in Japan. Any differences you see in terms of polish, color, etc. are simply differences in batch runs.
yes I heard similar. both j and k come from the same factory just labelled differently depending on which country its headed to.
How much ah scoba divers
Although these days it don't matter terribly china or Korea / Malaysia made seiko or anything Japanese , there's still something special about a product leaving a Japanese factory , well at least to me as I have a close desire for Japan's best ... it could be a mindset thing!
Steliano Al-Rashad I agree. That's why my current 009 is the Japanese version.
it is a mindset thing
I would agree 💯. Seiko is a Japanese company so it would make absolute sense that the citizens of that country would take just a bit more pride and honor making these in their home country.
I think these SKXs did not leave any Japanese factory, since they were made in Malaysia too most probably - at least I believe so.
May as well be from Japan if you can.
In Canada, the J version at literally double the price. $262 vs $566. This being said the K version is a no-brainer.
Wow, what a great presentation. No speculation, no BS, just the facts...finally. A this-or-that comparison really, although I'm sure there are those purists who would indeed pay extra for the "Made in Japan" and "21 Jewels" in the dial. As for the project, I would simply go with the K version. You're modding it and therefore removing the "purist" attraction of the Japanese watch. Plus, the more vibrant blue of the dial leans closer to TGV's signature. Let the purists have the J; mod the K.
+TeamLotus6365 Thank you my friend. I agree completely.
Best regards,
TGV
The Urban Gentry i own rolex datejust 38. which I wear occasionally. the J is sold where I'm based for 210 USD. would you recommend getting one as a daily driver?
@@theurbangentry The Australian owners of Chinese-made Tesla Model 3 and Model Y EVs are very happy campers indeed. In fact, I would hazard to say that most drivers are not aware that their EVs are made in China.
It really goes without saying that the same Tesla drivers are oblivious to the fact, even indifferent, that their Apple iPhones are made in China.
Indeed, much has changed in society since this video was produced way back in November 2015. To the point that before too long, nearly all Australians are going to abandon Japanese petrol ICE cars as the stubborn, foolish and backward Japanese have ignored the EV revolution which has been well underway for 5 years now.
‘Made in Japan’ just does not have the same cachet as it did back in the 1990s. Everything changes.
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Having “made in Japan” on a Japanese watch is as important to me as having “Swiss made” on a Swiss.
Like having made in china on your clothes
@@user-ty4bo1um4u this comment made my day (crap, it’s already a brand new day)
Well said Sir!
@@user-ty4bo1um4u Yeah damnit...If I had a lot of money, I swear I would NOT buy a single thing made in china...Even garbage bags I would make them bespoke in Germany, France, Italy, UK, USA or Japan...!
If Seiko set up their own factory in Malaysia and still make 100 percent of their own parts it is still Japanese made…. In fact more Japanese made than many Swiss watches are Swiss made because all of them except Rolex recently, outsource parts to cheaper countries, usually Asia.
I've ordered the K version after further research. Seiko have stated that the watches are the same internally, so all differences are external. I'm looking for a bargain high-quality watch, so an extra £50 for the J would significantly chip away at my satisfaction with the end result. Even if they were the same price I would still prefer the K's dial face, but your mileage may vary.
I bought myself the Japan version for Christmas and absolutely love everything about it. My brother has the Malaysian one,and they're hard to tell apart!!
You do such a great job at reviewing watches. I always love it when the next video pops up. I sit and watch it with a beer.
Its great to see how much passion you have for these things. Brilliant!
Greetings from New Zealand.
This is the best Seiko SKX009 review on TH-cam. Point by point analysis by Urban Gentry, I will take to the bank any day! Imagine checking the rate as to fast or slow. I want a faster watch than a slower watch..PERIOD. Every Rolex I have runs seconds fast, not slow. JAPANESE all the way after watching this review. I do not care about a higher price point.
Maybe this is a silly question, but I gotta ask: Are you certain that these are all K/J differences, or could they simply be variations between different batches of watches? It's hard for me to imagine why someone would make sure that all the lighter-blue bezels get sent to Malaysia, for instance...unless maybe both factories are making their own bezels in-house? I dunno.
I've long been dubious of the whole J/K thing, anyhow...I've never seen a concrete case for 'these watches are made in this factory and those watches are made in that factory'...they could very well ALL be made in Malaysia, and simply be run as different lines for export to different places...Example: it may not be legal to import a Maylay watch into the US that has 'Japan' on the dial, even if the movement is Japanese; so they just name the movement and leave the 'Japan' off.
Anyway, great videos, anyway, man. You're making me really want a Squale, if nothing else..
+Irving Washington Great question, Irving, and consistent with my post above. In my opinion, there is no practical differences between the performance or quality of the J or K models. Whatever difference TGV observed is likely, as you (quite correctly, IMHO) point out, variation between "batches", though I do not think Seiko use a "batch and queue" manufacturing, but probably LEAN manufacturing based on customer pull. The reason some are still made in Japan is, if I were to hazard a guess, that Japanese customers require a piece manufactured in Japan, so the reason for the J model is actually for marketing purposes, rather than any practical difference in quality. And to be fair, one cannot really make a statistically valid assessment of any differences in product quality from a sample size of N=1 for each model.
+Stephen Scharf I was planning on buying a SNZF15J1 or SNZF15K1. Do you think that they will have the same things in common as described and showed in the video including the color of the bezel?
+Lorenz Müller Hi Lorenz, I really don't know. There is variation in *any* and *every* manufacturing process, and some of that could be the shade of blue or color in the bezels. As I pointed out above, one cannot make a statistically valid determination from an N of 1. Personally, I think there is virtually no practical difference in quality between the two models.
Very keen question in your first paragraph. The video does have assume that each watch is representative of all other produced from their respective countries, which is a pretty big assumption to make. TGV does make a quick mention of this conundrum near the end of the video. Nonetheless, thanks for pointing this out.
I also wonder how many of those parts were manufactured outside the assembly plant and sent to both factories. It wouldn’t surprise me if the lume paste was made in one place and then shipped to Malaysia and Japan for example.
As a newcomer to collecting, the SKX 009J is my first diver (and my first automatic). I think people could argue the merits of each watch until we're all blue in the face. As long as it gets an SKX on someone's wrist, and gets more people into watches, I'm all for recommending either version. Next on the list for me, is a Tissot Le Locle Powermatic 80 in gold :D
Love this watch. The Kalashnikov of mechanical watches. Mine runs like a charm, spot on. Thanks for giving it the status it deserves.
Spot on, it really is the K of watches.
Thank you! :D
Best regards,
TGV
Do you know how Kalashnikov was invented😀?
Have you ever heard about Hugo Schmeisser?
I just ordered the K version of this watch with the rubber strap.
Thanks for the review!
Is it just me, or does the black strap on the SKX009J influence how the blue on the dial is perceived? Does it look darker b/c it is right next to a black rubber strap vs a metal jubilee strap that the SKX009K model is on?
ye indeed
I got the 009j the blue was dark until i changed the strap to a steel bracelet
Anyone else notice that the K version has a silver screw for the hands and the J version has a black one?
yes. you are right....
Interesting video mate. I'm a big fan of the SKX007 personally. This whole diver was my very favorite as a kid. I recently got two 6309s, one black, one Pepsi. Even tho they are "only Seiko", this watch (whole familly) has something very special. Thank you for the awesome video buds.
I bought the SKX009K a couple of months ago, on a rubber strap. It's a fantastic watch, and is often complimented! I absolutely love it.
So glad to hear, keep enjoying it!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Different batches. That's all... Even a J version can be different than another J version.
Just ordered my first SKX007J today! Excited to try it out and swap the strap with the oyster bracelet.
I agree that the bezel of the K model is prettier. Also, the K dial has a better quality finish. With that the movement is the same I must vote for the K. In fact, after watching this video, it is now on my list.
I just got my SKX007j version. I'm impressed with the accuracy. 1 to 2 sec max a day is way better than my other swiss watches that are off 5 to 10 sec a day. Can't go wrong with SEIKO. affordable great watches!
Hello LG S
What is the secondary calendar language in your Skx007j??
Is it Japanese??
Regards from Mexico!
Daniel
I love these reviews on affordable watches! You really are carving an audience. Some of us cant spend $5k on a timepiece. Please keep doing these on affordable brands.
I bought a J version, had it for about a week. worn it most days and haven't had to adjust the time. only lost 2 seconds over the week. VERY pleased with that.
what about the options for the weekday secondary language of J vs K? as for the back sticker, could the more-metallic version be due to a higher polish on the case-back? and aren't japan movements also branded japan on the inside? also, don't the K models have the K1 (rubber strap) and K2 (jubilee) option.
Great video TGV! I also had some slight issues with the crown on my 007K, BUT I have a little tip for you to make it smooth as butter(this is for every screw down crown watch). Take a little piece of waxed floss wire and gently clean the threads, not only are the threads clan but also slightly lubricated. Do this every now and then and you will not only keep the threads clean from dirt and making the crown screwing in very smooth, but you also protect the threads on the tube by keeping a little bit of lubricant on the threads to prevent metal on metal grinding, keeping the threads of the crown tube in better condition for a longer time!
+Great destiny man Great tip, thanks for sharing,
Best regards,
TGV
Very good review! Well done! In my opinion, there is really no difference, I ordered SKX007K version one ebay and cannot wait for it to arrive. Both of them are genuine Seiko watches so really you cannot go wrong with any of them.
Best Regards.
I just recently found your channel. My plans were to buy an MVMT watch. Today i purchased the SKX009K. I can't wait to recieve it.
Thank you Mr.
Just recently ordered the 007; had originally bought the 009, however I felt compelled towards the simplicity and elegance of the black dial. Feel a bit guilty as some would argue it's a whimsical purchase. Alas it seems, I've caught the horological bug.
+Jonathan Muller Haha, don't feel guilty my friend! I am just a picky, enjoy it! Embrace it!
Thanks for sharing,
Best regards,
TGV
horo bug for sure. i got both as well. you not alone
I have a SKX009k. Got it a few years ago and I didn't even know there were differences between the versions. That's what I love about watch collecting, everyday is a school day! Thanks TGV
+Stewart Murray You are very welcome Steward, truly appreciated and inspires me to do more!
Best regards,
TGV
With watches made in such great numbers, there might be a greater difference between watches made in the same plant than between the j and k version. That said, j version might have a greater re-sell and collectors value.
I've had several 009K & 007K watches. They're were great watches. They were modified and then flipped. I missed the 009 and just bought my first J. It just felt like the "correct" 009 for me. That's me for another great video.
Japanese all the way.The finishing is far superior & i actually prefer the darker tone of the dial & bezel. I like a clean & simple look to the dial but i'd be willing to pay that little bit more for the extra text.
+stephen rhodes Agree! I have the J version of the Urchin.
+stephen rhodes I completely agree!!~
+stephen rhodes Actually the components in both watches come frome the same factories. For the japanese law, a product can be signed 'japanes' even if it's produced outside japan in a japanese controlled factory. There is no guarantee that the movement of the 'j' version is actually made in japan.
That's Right
They are identical, it's not fabricated by hand it's by machine. The Seiko production machines are the same in Malaysia. After researching this topic extensively I could not find ANY reliable evidence that the J version is actually made in japan vs being made elsewhere destined for different markets. To take 2 random SKX### and compare is not realistic to draw a comparison because those same differences can be said for any 2 skx watches. This has more to do with their quality assurance and consistency (dials, alignment, color temp, etc) and less to do with the J/K.
I’ve owned both for 20+ years , and I believe it’s the most iconic watch Seiko has ever made . That being said , all of my Malay versions have run slightly slow and gotten slower through their lives . The exact opposite has happened with the Japanese versions . They’ve slightly sped up as advancing in age . Even after adjusting the movements . This is only the outcome between 5 different models , 3 Malaysian and 2 Japanese. Take from it what you will , I’m convinced that it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other overall .
The Australian owners of Chinese-made Tesla Model 3 and Model Y EVs are very happy campers indeed. In fact, I would hazard to say that most drivers are not aware that their EVs are made in China.
It really goes without saying that the same Tesla drivers are oblivious to the fact, even indifferent, that their Apple iPhones are made in China.
Indeed, much has changed in society since this video was produced way back in November 2015. To the point that before too long, nearly all Australians are going to abandon Japanese petrol ICE cars as the stubborn, foolish and backward Japanese have ignored the EV revolution which has been well underway for 5 years now.
‘Made in Japan’ just does not have the same cachet as it did back in the 1990s. Everything changes.
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Hi TGV, I'd say mod the K version, and keep the J version for it's Japanese home originality.
I just bought an SKX009K because of your video, many thanks from Buenos Aires, Argentina and great show!
+yuampa Thank you :D enjoy it!!!!
Best regards,
TGV
just curious, why did you switch for the lume shot ? The whole video the Japanese version was on the left, in the lume shot you switched to it being on the right...
You can see the steel becelet still glinting slightly in the darkness - on the right! I could be wrong but I think it was TGV's first on camera mistake!
yeah i think he either just got mixed up, or the whole video was mirrored with his right and lefts opposite to the viewers...
yep you right ! j version is a litlle bit ahead as well so j on the left
I noticed this as well, and felt that the one on the left was slightly brighter, and had almost imperceptably smaller footprint, as we saw with the light on. The Japan seemed to be on the left, and slightly superior. I would have liked to see a comparison after an hour.
Nailed my question. Good answers, thanks! I wanted the left to be the J so bad, it looks a bit brighter to me!
I would go with the K version. The differences are so negligible that in reality there are only three;
1) Differences on the dial and case back - 21 jewel; made in Japan
2) The price - 10-20% difference
3) The availability
I always prefer local dealer if the conditions are the same. As if there is something is wrong with the purchase it is much easier to deal with returns and you support local business.
Can’t wait to hear more about the project and what you have in mind. The way you talk about makes it look like you have something very special planned.
Thank you for the videos.
Best,
Marko S.
Great review, I do like the immediate start of actual review here
+Desert9999 Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Greetings from Australia! I find your enthusiasm and joy for watches absolutely infectious, so much so that I recently treated myself to new batteries in my 80s Seamaster 1432 and Seiko World Timer that I hadn't worn in decades and I now am checking out the best prices on the Seiko Diver. I hope I can stop at 3 watches....
The J version crown thread might be more coarse for a reason. The pitch might greater to give better water resistance. A more coarse thread will also be better for resisting stripping and better against cross threading and thus will last longer.
I just received the K version. I will be presenting it to my son who graduates college next Sunday.
I was very concerned about the J vs K. But after seeing your video TGV my mind is at ease. Thank you.
Great video 👍😎👍. Now I know I want the K version as my first real watch. Thank you 💪😎👍
I have had the SKX007 J for several years and the only difference from the 009 I think is the bezel colors. Its a great watch and the Jubilee band is great and very comfortable. Having seen the video I don't think J or K would be much of an issue for me now. Both seem to be of very high quality.
Great video,most likely both watches are made in a same factory in Malaysia due to a Jappanese import law requirements that can be made outside of Japan.If you want truly made in Japan watch you have to go with GS,Credor,Galante and some of the Prospex watches like MM300,MM600 Tunas exc.
+djolemerc Thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
I've only recently discovered The Urban Gentry and impressive reviews and comments of TGV. My very modest and low cost watch collection includes a couple of Seiko 5's, titaniums and 2 Bulovas, but TGV has really pulled me in on the whole SKX Thing. I'm in UK and i'm now scanning ebay and Amazon for SKX's. I need to decide on J or K now though.
Keep up the good work TGV!
Thank you helped decide to go with the J version
Thanks TGV for doing this review as I am in the market for a SKX009J. I am not sure if you watched the video before posting it, however my eyes did pick up a couple of points. When you did the lume shot you mentioned that the Japanese version was on the right (@14:47) yet I could distinctly tell that the watch on the right, it's lume was not as bright (a couple of nits off) and a slightly different colour as you yourself suggested. Which got me thinking. Would SEIKO have inferior lume? I would not have thought so. So I tried to check if you had your watches mixed up 'J' on the right and 'K' on the left as that was how you explained them to be. Further into the lume section of the video I did see the jubilee bracelet on the right side of the video. So no, you had not mixed up you watches, yet you had definitely said the 'J' was on the right. Anyway, sorting all this out in my head re-affirmed that the Japanese version had the superior lume and I was happy. It is definitely brighter (more punchy and crisp) on the 'J' to my eyes than on the 'K' version. So I have to disagree with you regarding the lume on the 'K' version. Hope you don't mind me being a bit picky with you there. Also when you did the macro shot of the lume before 'lights out', I noticed that the lume on the Japanese version was smaller and more raised. So considering that I thought it's (lume - the 'J' version) was brighter then you would have to conclude that it is superior. By this time I had watched that part of the video 4 times! Love your channel. GB.
GB Sailing the K was definitely on the right in the lume shot.
Hi TGV,
I would call it a clear draw! But personally, I would prefer the Japanese version, because it's the more authentic one. The real deal.
Best regards,
Claus
in the middle of acquiring my skx009 now as my work watch.. im in one the nyc union construction skill fields, and using the seiko as my work watch. gonna keep it on a zulu.. plan to get it bead blasted a military sand style color. think it will give it more practicality and will X out scratching the steel case. these mods you can do with the SKX are endless. as a separate leisure SKX i plan on changing the hands of a 007 and throwing a super presidents on it and give that a try. Truly exciting! shows how seikos, squales and other brands of the same caliber are truly so much fun. its not all about hodinkee watch of the month that sold for 6 figures at christies auction lol but those are cool too ;)
Thanks TGV, this was very helpful.
You are very welcome Chris,
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Enjoyed the comparison. Finally ordered an SKX009 today on a rubber strap as I already have a solid navy blue NATO on hand. If you like blue dials the under $100 Seiko 5 SNKL07 has a beautiful dial and makes for a dressy 39mm number on a nice strap. Have a nice Thanksgiving and thanks for the 009 review.
+Dale Clark
Good shout, the SNKN41 is also a very nice blue number with a retro style as well.
Great comparison, TGV! It's easier to come by the K version so I'm probably going to end up with that one. And if this video has convinced me of anything, it's that I need to get an SKX009 - K or J version, lol.
It's now June 2018. But J model is about $100 more than the K model. Definitely not worth $100 difference. I bought the K model and the Orient Bambino for only $20 more combined.Great video
Hi TGV,
Many thanks for the great job, it's a pleasure to follow your Chanel development since you started the Chanel. Here is what I think about the K and J version and what I found in different watch forums.
K and J watches are both made side-by-side in the same factories in Malaysia.
The J watches are intended for the Japanese market and are allowed to state 'made in Japan' due to lax Japanese consumer laws.
When available in the same store (eg Creation, Skywatches) the price difference is typically $20 or $30 between K and J models. It should be pretty obvious that if the J watch was really made in Japan, it would carry a much greater premium due to massively higher labor costs.
Some raw parts may be made in China. The watch is made in Malaysia. J and K models are made in the same Malaysian factory. The assembly line for the J models will have a Japanese employee supervising, otherwise they are identical to the K models.
The presence of the Japanese employee allows them to state 'made in Japan' in the Japanese market (according to Japanese country of origin laws). But other countries have stricter laws which is why they produce both a K and J model.
If you have a J model it means it was intended for Japan market only. Seiko could not officially sell the J model in USA because the country of origin markings would violate US law.
Regards from Germany
Ilja
+ilja102 Very insightful comment, so glad you added this to the discussion.
Thank you!
Best regards,
TGV
I purchased my SKX009J in the fall of 2017. I don’t know if the J is “better” than the K, but for just a $20 premium at the time, I got the J because I didn’t want to wonder what I might be missing with the K! Also, I’m a bit bummed that I got an example that runs 10-15sec slow per day.
if the price was the same I would go for the J, the better polish means higher quality workmanship and attention to detail for me. crown not so important because how often do you need to adjust the time if it's a good watch? and I like to see "made in Japan" on thing that are meant to come from Japan.
Great one TGV.
I've had the 009 K version since July, and love it. Bought it on rubber for about $165, but wear it almost exclusively on a heavy black nato. It looks great. Love the Pepsi dial.
For a while I was really thinking of splurging for an Omega or Rolex. But it's hard to justify the cost of those when you can have a watch this nice that you can wear everyday with no worries.
+Brian Gallagher Thank you Brian,
I certainly does make one wonder why we spend more.
Great comment, enjoy your SKX with pride my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
Why a Swiss-made Omega or Rolex? Prestige and a sense of accomplishment. It is the same reason why people buy and drive German Audi or Mercedes cars.
Yes, for those who drive garden variety Toyota, Volkswagen or Ford cars this is all straight out pretentiousness. But, for those in the more leafy and upmarket neighbourhoods, prestige does matter.
Having said this, the Seiko diver watches are fantastic timepieces which are made to a professional standard. These Seikos are rated _down_ to 200 metres after all. 🤿
The current price difference is $165 between the K and the J. I think I'm willing to pay more but is $365 the fair market price for the J version?
I just bought a SKX009. I weighed up the arguments in the video review and can see both sides of why you would choose a J or a K. In the end I went for a J.
Great video and thanks for the information on both the models.
Thanks TGV, finally I got seiko skx009j... shop therapy after a break up
Great review!
I think the main difference and advantage for the K version: one line less of text!
I think the blue pops more on the K version.
Unless you are a collector who needs the "Made in Japan" on the dial, go for the K version, they are exactly the the same, only assembled in different countries.
bought the J version even though i live in Malaysia
googlan fellow countryman here. where did you get it from? I want one! Thanks!
@@shauqihilmi Hello, i know its been a while but did you find it? :)
Finally, someone did a side by side. really cool to see them next to each other in detail. I like the cleaner dial on the K version more (It doesn't say "21 Jewels" on it). If I had to pick one, I'd go K.
+Timepiece Addict Thank you TA, duly noted! Seems like K is leading in the vote.
Best regards,
TGV
The watch's origin makes a big difference for me ,especially these days as almost everything is being made in China or Malasia.I have a "J" version and this makes the watch more desireable.I can make a bet that if two Seiko SKX owners met the first question asked would be about the watch's country of origin :-)...no offense for "K" version owners.
+winged hussar Would you be able to kindly point me in the direction to where i could buy the SKX009J version in jubilee bracelet?
+Gary Xu This is the address of retailer I bought the watch from - ( AMAZON )WATCHDEAL
John's Jewel Box UNIT 2 KINGS SQUARE SHOPPING CENTRE WEST BROMWICH WEST MIDLANDS B70 7NW GB
Also you can find some watches on Ebay mostly from Japan and US - it means VAT & CUSTOM DUTY may apply...With regard to the watch itself , consider a nato strap either made of leather or a regular one.In my eyes SEIKO SKX007 / 009J look amazing when put on it as both bracelet and rubber strap look and feel cheap.My rule is - one colour strap (black,desert sand,red-this made of leather) for SKX009 due to its PEPSI bezel (except the blue one ) and multiple coloured nato straps (must contain a black colour) for SKX007 due to its black & silver colour.
+winged hussar Thanks a lot!
Ciao watches, check their website they sell thru amazon too!
ha ha ha lmfao!!!
I bought my SKX009K2 from a local watch dealer in Tokyo. I was given the stamped Seiko International Model Warranty card but the guarantee is only valid in Japan. So they are selling the SKX009K2 within Japan.
As the “most unique” member of my graduating class, I prefer the Made in Japan 🇯🇵 #Pepsi
One thing I have noticed with SKXs, irrespective of J or K, the older ones 97-99 seem to have better defined cases with tight lines and edges whereas the newer ones have very much more softened case contours.
It's almost as if the milling patterns have worn down over time and now all the newer ones have much softer less well defined cases.
It still hasnt been proven that J versions have more accuracy than K's.
Just as a rule of thumb, a newer watch, all things being equal, should run a bit fast if not perfect.
Assuming these are new, and both will slow down over time, the Japanese version, will err towards being MORE accurate over the next few years, whereas the other version will just get further out of whack.
Being slower is not a deal breaker, because they are aiming for perfect time, and any descrephancy, especially on an automatic worn by vastly different people, could go either way, but it is a red flag for me when a watch is on the negative side.
I prefer a newer watch to be fast. It might even get a bit FASTER as it breaks in, but as it ages, it will get slower. It is an advantage to have a watch on the fast end of things, because it will be within tolerance for a longer period of time, as it slows to perfection over years, and then slowly loses seconds over even more time, without need for adjustment for many years.
My 009j has 2,4spd
Watching this video takes me back to the good ol days
2:22 I bet that he kept the sticker on because he's going to sell/return the J version.
Welp I was wrong, also I did not think there was much difference. I saved money and go with 007k on nato.
Why do some keep it...is it a trend?
@TheUrbanGentry, I'm a new convert to Seiko and the legendary SKX009; your vlogs are really informative and helpful!
Having the Japanese model appeals to the Geek in me, so I would pick this one over the K version all day long.
Interesting note as well, I am an American living in the Philippines and the Seiko watches made in Japan are easily pawnable here and the K/Malaysia versions are questionable. 👍🏻
Interesting note as well, I am an American living in the Philippines and the Seiko watches made in Japan are easily pawnable here and the K/Malaysia versions are questionable. 👍🏻
Very good comparison! I like your vids, they explore all nuances and in a professional and calm manner. I find it relaxing just watching your reviews :-)
Thanks!
Great presentation... "du pure bonheur" as we say in France !!!!
nobody cares how you say it in france
@@aliveli-hq6zk AHAHAHAH !!!!
Ali, you are a funny GUY !!!! un "petit RIGOLO" comme on dit en français !!!!!
Thank You for a very informative video and you helped me decide on which version I will buy, keep up the good work.
If the Malaysian version was less than Japanese, why Seiko keep made them there ? I think the mass production are done in Malaysia to keep the price low by lowering the shipping cost or Malaysia has iron "to make stainless steel" Japan actually doesn't, they import iron it ! so it's business, Go with the K version.
+KitKat Very interesting point, thank you, duly noted.
Best regards,
TGV
I ended up getting the skx009 k-version because of the fact that I liked the colour of the bezel more than the blue on the j's. :D
well all the 3 models are made exactly same way using exact machines. difference is font words on dial and day on movement. no other difference.
Jeff D I don't believe that otherwise the bezels would be identical. If you look at the shot where he compares the cases (and has them stacked) you can clearly see the bezel grip is different and the cut round the bezel is in a different place. Also if they were both made in Japan they would both say that surely. People say the only difference is the day wheel print so why would they both not be identical apart from the day wheel?
Also there's a chap on a forum I go on who emailed Seiko to ask. He posted their reply where they said they are made in different countries & went on to justify the quality by saying a lot of manufacturers make some of their products in other countries and the quality is still good.
I'm pretty sure Seiko would be more happy to say they were all made in Japan rather than having to justify the K version being just as good.
I just bought the J version and it is stunning! Japan for the win!
Save some money and go with the K.
+Dave Smith it's also more readily available. I've tried searching for the J version, just isn't worth the time unless you're an enthusiast.
+Phil W NZ Trademe have but all the time and they are between 3 and 5 hundy depending on the model .
I have both watches ( well one with a ss bezzel and one with pepsi bezzel ) and as an experiment I wore both watches one on each hand for a month after setting them to the computer time ! And the damn malasian watched gained 12 minutes and 40 seconds ! The Japan one lost 38 seconds ! ! I am guessing something to do wth the quality of the lubricants used ! Maybe I dunno !
oh well maybe its like that ! Still japan or Malasia !!! Anything is better than those damn battery watches !!! except some of the casio 10 year edifice ones they are cool ! But the ones that need new batteries every year ,,,,,, forget it they suck !
+Marwen BEN AZZOUZ correct. The most accurate mechanical movements will still be beaten by a cheap Quartz. People buy automatic watches for the craftsmanship, status, etc.
Hello TGV,
Great video.
I recently picked up a SKX 009. I was going back and forth on which one to buy, the Japanese or Malaysia.
I personally didn't see enough of a difference to purchase the Japanese version.
I'm very happy with mine. The only think I changed was the bracelet. I purchased a Strap Code Super Oyster which I'm very happy with. It's very well constructed.
Regards,
Wayne
I go for the Japanese.👍👍👍
Hi TGV. A very thorough and in-depth review here. Nice one. If I were to pick one to be "modded" I'd go with the K version, simply because it's a little less expensive, and the extra bucks saved could possibly go towards better quality modifications. All very intriguing old chap. Thanks for your time. Best regards to you and yours.
+JK S Thank you JKS, very kind.
K version seems to be the leader in the vote,
Best regards,
TGV
their made in same factories just made for diff. markets.
Yes, indeed, just a commercial fuss, after years and years of collecting Seiko watches I can say that they survived on market because they sell a bohemic idea of Japan some kind of mystic jambo (J1 vs K1 bull). Otherwise they use the same old movements just on new cases. Really, they are all made on cnc machines, mass production, and some obsessed people buy them because other convinced them that this is the sh*t. A watch is a tool and not an idol of pride. In these days even Swiss brands are messing with caliber numbers to convince people that an eta 2824 putted on a known brand is more valuable than on a young brand. I collect my watches carefully because when fever of collecting stops you will truly appreciate a watch or a brand for their real value.
Alexandru Gabriel Vedes What watches do you recommend then? You dont like the seiko skx?
im into fortis. very under rated watches. on par with my breitling chronomat..
pengo242 Nope. Some countries let them get away with a BS concept of extraterritoriality because it makes them look more "prestigious" Notice what the 2nd language for the weekdays is, it'll give you some idea...
Jeff D wrong.
Been wondering about this and I have to say you’ve put it brilliantly. Thanks
K version. Cleaner dial.
J version , no regrets .
Excellent video. In some models the J version are sold to the Middle East as well so they have a different day wheel. I think it's also a marketing strategy of some retailers who sell the J version at a higher price when there is no obvious difference. I got an urchin a few months back and one retailer was selling the J version for $20 more than the K version.
Got to be the J version. I would never buy a Rolex assembled in Spain..
Seiko ain’t Rolex, and the skx is a beater, not a jewel
Blue Guitar My 14060M Sub is a daily beater so I’m not sure why would you call Rolex a jewel. It is not a watch for babying.
You're the only channel that I know of that goes into such detail with their reviews, TGV. Nicely done!
I'm usually pretty good at noticing differences, but these two watches were a bit of a challenge for me until you pointed them out. Personally, I like the K version due to the more vibrant blue. And to be honest, I don't think the differences are that significant to warrant paying extra for the J.
+Ken Cooper Thank you Ken, very kind.
Best regards,
TGV
J is the original version..
Chester Latoza And your's is the original comment.
I have a Malysia SKX007 and very happy with it. no defects or problems since 2015 April or so. Yep. Only cost me 173€, affordable.
Mine goes ahead a little. after days of use the minute hand is ahead of the real time a little. It ticks too fast slightly. Lume is great, approved by Lume Priests.
+Lycosa Great to hear! Thank you for sharing that.
God bless those Lume Priests LOL ;-)
Cheers,
Best regards,
TGV
Have the 009 in a J version with Jubilee and the 007 in a K which I alternate with a Crafter/NATO. Great beater watches that can handle any setting the beach, boardroom, back country or pub. Love them absolutely iconic.
I think in the lume test you mentioned the J as the one in the right. But you Actually had the K on that side. I can see the metal bracelet in the dark. Just saying it. Excellent comparison.