Like this page and what I do here? Consider supporting me on patreon! www.patreon.com/davidvinc [0:24] - 10) Cristo - Dragon Quest IV [1:23] - 9) Ana - Earthbound Beginnings [2:27] - 8) Arngrim - Valkyrie Profile [3:16] - 7) Erik - Dragon Quest XI [4:15] - 6) Flonne - Disgaea [5:13] - 5) Sveta - Golden Sun: Dark Dawn [5:57] - 4) Naoto - Persona 4: The Golden [7:03] - 3) Sailor Saturn - Sailor Moon: Another Story [7:53] - 2) Raja - Phantasy Star 4 [8:41] - 1) Zerase - Suikoden V
I thought Ninten was good until I saw what Ana could do. While Ninten has some good abilities, his problem is that he runs out of PP eventually. Not so with Ana. Running low on PP? Find a PSI using enemy, use PSI Block on it And then use PSI Net(?) to recharge her reserves back to full. She does all this while healing AND doing damage. She puts the Energizer Bunny to shame.
@@unwithering5313 That's true, Those two pretty much carried the day in the Rosemary House in Spookane (Halloween). Poor Lloyd was just along for the ride. Ninten is an awesome character on his own. It's just that he's overshadowed by a goddess.
Erik is especially useful for large groups of enemies. Just Divide, equip double boomerangs, maybe pop out an Oomphle, and watch the enemies drop like flies.
For the whole Naoto voice thing, in Japan it's fairly common for female actors to play young men, and her voice is much more ambiguous. I don't know if there was really a good way to translate that to English without giving it away, so I can't fault their casting decision
It’s also true in a English. Bart Simpson was a woman. I’m sure there’s a few more examples but I can’t think of them. I think Oliver in Ni’no Kuni was a woman as well, the voice actors were fantastic. Ollie mun.
She also uses male-pronouns to refer to herself in the Japanese version until the 'reveal', but there's no equivalent to that in English. I suppose they could have had her lower her voice a touch but that kind of playacting sounds out of place for such a serious-minded character. Constantly speaking higher or lower than your usual takes a lot of concentration she could be using on the case.
@@mrmagoo-i2l This makes me wonder what it would be like if they made an animated tv show that does not have a floating timeline (that lasts several years), and the main character is an 11 year old boy and so they cast an 11 year old boy to play him. Just as the voice actor grows up, so does the 11 year old character. If there already is an animated show with the real passing of time, I wouldn't know.
So Naoto earnestly did need buffs since she was arguably the weakest character when it came to fighting bosses, since Hama and Mudo skills won't work on them and almighty spells are very inefficient compared to physicals or elemental magic. Not having a weakness is extremely good but she's also just kinda frail stats wise, for example Margaret can sometimes manage to kill her from full through guarding with her Power Charge Hassou Tobi combo. Now she'd be potentially incredible if P4 had Bless/Curse damage spells like P5 but it doesn't and that robs her of her true potential.
Here are a few more I've unearthed: -Mae from Shining Force. Mobility plus long-range weapons plus early recruitment, Mae is bae -Finn from Child of Light. The guy knows practically every magic spell and can take advantage of nearly every enemy weakness. It's silly how much of a wrecking ball he is. -Conspiracy Guy from Citizens of Earth. Nearly every single one of his attacks exploits an enemy weak spot, plus you can recruit him very early. -Kain from Radiata Stories. Although recruiting him takes some effort, you'll be glad you did. He's the best healer in the game, can auto-heal (and teaches YOU this technique), his attack can unbalance anything (including bosses), and you get him about halfway through the game.
Elly and Emeralda from Xenogears can get broken with their AOE attacks doing massive damage on their own. Bart can also inflict weaknesses on bosses so they can hit even harder.
Flonne is even more busted in Disgaea Dimension 2 (the sequel to Disgaea 1). Then again, MAGIC ITSELF was busted in DD2. Magic gets damage multipliers based on Weapon Mastery, and physicals don't. That's on top of the insane long range, the high damage magic does (WITHOUT the damage multipliers they get on top), and being able to hit for elemental weaknesses. And the game casually let's you teach all element spells to everyone if you want to. Make a female healer? You can turn her into a wrecking ball as well. Your actual mage? You can give her healing spells, and she'll be a wrecking ball too. Give Laharl magic? He'll do more damage with spells than he ever did with physical skills (despite having average magical aptitudes). DD2 was a mess balance wise....
On the tactical JRPGs, two come to mind: Linea from Stella Deus, and Euphoria "Euphy" from Seinarukana. Linea is an archer/mage, which means loooong range. You get her almost at the beginning, she has insane range, her arrows are powerful, and as she learns more spells/skills, she gets even more damage potential. Plus, she is fast, which means that, even if she does not 1HKO an enemy, she will have a turn very soon again to finish the job. Because of that, she levels up pretty fast, which only makes her more deadly. And cherry on top: she gets the OPed summon spells, which can tear groups of mobs with impunity, to say nothing of her Team Tech, especially hers and Spero's. Now, Euphy. For those who do not know Seinarukana, or its predecesor, Aselia the Eternal, it is a Strategy JRPG with a unique battle system, where you can form squads of 3 (Attacker, Defender and Mage) who each contribute a their 2 cents to the battle, including their individual HP pools; or use an All-rounder who can do all three tasks, but has only 1 HP bar. Euphy is the first true Jack of all trades you get, since she is equally good as a squad member or an All-rounder., but she shines better as an All-rounder. Her skills are pretty powerful, and she has the stats to back them up. As soon as you are able to use her, you will most often than not just send her to battle on her own and watch her plow through the enemy squads. Yes, you get Narukana on the last quarter of the game, and she is Euphy 2.0, but even then, Euphy never really gets outclassed.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Erik's incredibly high dodge chance potential. In my game he's basically a dodge tank, with an evasion rate of above 25%. He's untouchable.
Oh and I can't believe I forgot to mention this but if you use Divide and then Dodgy Character Erik's evasion gets an even bigger boost upwards of 50%. He takes a lot of setting up but he's incredibly powerful against any physical attacker and can shred bosses by wasting their turns and then countering with his powerful spells and physical abilities
@@wyndiahighwind7477 i shift him in and out but that's more speaking to how balanced the characters are in that game rather than Erik's overall ability
@@chocobros1 I used that strategy after dying to Gyldigga and having to trek all the way through the Gyldenhal again (this time going back to save after I leveled up my party a bit more)
@@paperluigi6132 oh yeah, you really need characters that can waste Gyldigga's turns if you want to beat her so Erik is a great counter to her. Fitting since that's his part of the story too, wish more RPGs designed their bosses like that. You also really need to use him against the secret boss at the Battlefield. Even if you just swap him in and out like I did, you'll have a much easier time of it.
Joon Gi Han: Yakuza Like A Dragon He has the highest speed, The Second highest attack, access to all three physical damage type, along with the rare shock damage type, along with Head Trauma which is glitched, it has to be otherwise the developers meant to give you a move that hits harder then essence attacks for just 6 mp, and this is his BASE CLASS. Once you get him you got very little reason to change class and less to take him out your party.
I wonder if Jacqli from Ar Tonelico 2 is in your radar, her regular Song Magic is so powerful that they are on par with other Reyvateils many levels above her, if you get her all the way up, you can just breeze throughout the game. Doesn't help she doesn't require much waiting to unleash devastating attacks unlike Luca and Cloche.
I just wanna comment on how much I loved Dragon Quest 11. Admittedly, it was my first DQ game, but since then I've played the originals on switch and I have my eye on playing 8&9. But as a huge jrpg fan, I loved how well done DQ11 was.and how nostalgic it felt. Next point is usually contentious, but I enjoyed the fake out ending. I always love when a game seems like its over, then boom. 20+ hrs to go.
Strangely, I remember another list placing Naoto on a worst party members list due to arriving very late and thus requiring a lot of extra effort to get the usual Social Link bonuses, along with all her skills being single target and expensive. I certainly found her useful for dungeon #7 will all those powerful Minotaurs and Fuzz being open to light or darkness.
This list is using the Persona 4 Golden version of Naoto, who received a considerable buff from the original. In the original P4, she was good at clearing random encounters, but was weaker against bosses due to the aforementioned expensive almighty skills, as well as bosses being immune to Hama/Mudo spells.
Amazing how i only know realized your pic is Lloyd. Glad more and more fans of Trails series are popping up, even if they weren't around for the Sky series and only Cold Steel, thats fine. The series in itself is amazing.
Probably my favorite thing about these overpowered party members lists in seeing characters from games I had trouble with before, playing them again with this advice in mind and seeing how much easier the game becomes! I do have a couple of suggestions if you're planning to do another one- Karna from Shining Force II- At first glance Karna (or Twiggy as she's known in some versions), looks like your typical white mage. However, because she starts off with the multi-target Boost spell, she can gain levels at ludicrous speed. Just a white mage with a solid pool of HP, the multi-target healing spell Aura and plenty of MP to repeatedly cast it would be nice enough on it's own, but if you choose to make her a Master Monk, she'll get all the above mentioned advantages as well as being able to hit like a truck. Couple that with the ludicrous speed at which she can gain levels by casting Boost and Aura and you'll soon end up with a unit who can handle all the remaining maps single handed. Donnel from Fire Emblem Awakening- Again, this is a character you have to work at to get the best out of him, but the force of destruction that rewards your patience is well worth it. His Aptitude Skill boosts Growth Rates by 20% whenever he levels up. Because of this skill, he can easily end up with some of the best stats of all the First generation units. Best of all, he can pass this skill down to one of the future child characters, making Donnel's future child an honorable mention. Aika from Skies of Arcadia- She's always useful to have around. She gets multi-target attacks like Alpha Storm pretty early in the game, making short work of random mobs, and later the more powerful multi-target Lamba Burst. Additionally, her Delta Shield negates all magic attacks, even the annoying instant-death spells. It's only draw back is that you can't use healing magic on the party, but with the use of healing items, this is hardly an issue. Later on she can also get the deceptively powerful Swirlmerang weapon- a boomerang with 200% hit rate, meaning that it can actually his the annoying Loopers and it will always confuse whatever it hits. Jolteon from Pokemon Yellow- This one's more of a joke entry, but given your criteria of characters that outshine the main character, if you consider Pikachu the main character of the game, then Jolteon could feasibly fit. Most players will keep Pikachu as the go-to electric type on their team, but it's stats are still pretty low, so It might struggle a bit in late-game challenges. Thankfully, you can get your own Eevee and by extension, your own Jolteon as soon as you get to Celedon City. Jolteon is much faster and more powerful than Pikachu, with some of the highest Special Attack and Speed stats of the electric type Pokemon. Not only is it a better glass cannon than Pikachu, but it even has higher defence and special defence. Basically Jolteon is Tales Of The Abyss' Guy to Pikachu's Luke.
Ioshua from Star Ocean 1 is OP as well. In my eyes he is the best caster PERIOD in not just his game, but the ENTIRE Star Ocean series. He gets SO MANY screen filling attacks that’ll obliterate EVERYTHING, and his support and utility spells are NOT to be scoffed at. He is both versatile AND over powered. And honestly, mages who can do a little bit of everything are my favorite. I mean you’re wizard after all, you should be able to do a lot of things.
Two more I thought of while mulling about at work 1) Marina in Valkyria Chronicles. The sniper class in general is OP, but with one really easy level up, her accuracy becomes 100% and she can just headshot everything. You can also start the game with her if you're lucky (I think some speedrunners literally reset if she's not in the base roster, it's not insanely rare and every character will unlock eventually, but having her in the start is the best) 2) Agito from Lost Dimension. He can teleport and can use this to go through even locked doors. He also has the ability to instantly teleport summon the rest of your entire party later on. There's one map where you're meant to go around the long way due to a locked door because you only have to defeat the big enemy on that map. Guess what? Agito can teleport, warp everyone to him, then the pain can begin as every character who is nearby will join in a combo attack. There are 6 party members, and the other 5 basically each get 6 hits due to them + 5 more party members. It can reduce bosses to nothing quickly
Naoto? She has no Amp or Boost skills, her high damage spells are expensive, her endurance and HP is low, Light and Dark are completely worthless against bosses... I would personally say Naoto belongs on the Worst Party Members list, not this one.
Probably because he mentionned GOLDEN, She gains new skill in GOLDEN, her almighty damage on her is insane plus her shield to block one attack, she has ali dance (She can dodge all element) She has mind charge, she can also cover all element, Naoto is basically game-breaking
@@Jfray252 Her almighty damage is insane? Here, let's do some math: Megidolaon has 420 base power, for 60 SP. -Dyne skills have 320 base power, for 12 SP. Megidolaon deals 1.3x the damage for 3x the SP cost. But every other party member besides Chie also gets Boost and Amp skills, which boost their damage further. This brings the base power of -Dyne skills to 560, doing 1.3x the damage of Naoto's Megidolaon, for a third of the cost. But let's get Mind Charge in the mix: Mind Charge boosts a move's power by 2.5x which brings Megidolaon's power to 1050 for 75 SP in total. Since it takes two turns to pull off, let's compare it to two uses of a Boost + Amp -Dyne skill: 560 x 2 = 1120, *still* more powerful than a Mind Charged Megidolaon for only 24 SP. But what about her stats? Admittedly, the SMT Wiki only has stats for their initial personas at level 99, so I don't know how much of a boost they'll get from their third tier personas. But assuming the general comparisons remain true, we see Naoto's magic is equal to Yosuke, and inferior to Teddie and Yukiko's magic stats, her main competition as magic users. And as for how Chie and Kanji's damage compare, God's Hand has 1600 base power, and Primal Force 2200, easily out damaging everyone else. She can cover all elements? Well you're right, that is a useful skill. It's a good thing that Yu can do that too, and much, *much* better. The problem with Naoto is that she tries to be a jack of all trades in a game where the protagonist is a master of all. Therefore, the rest of the party members being specialists is much more beneficial.
@@pointblankvt6780 don't forget Yukiko getting burning petals and fire amp and in the final dungeon you can give her a kagutsuchi vow which increases fire power by 50% , with fire amp she gets a 100% boost to the power of burning petals which is a 4 tier spell that coupled with the fact that yukiko ALSO gets mind charge means that there is absolutely NO reason to use naoto as a magic dealer . Like seriously the best party in the game against bosses is MC ( hassou tobi) , Kanji ( phys damage ) , Yukiko (magic damage ) and texdie ( healing and buffs )
@@pointblankvt6780 Honestly you didn't seem talking about golden in ur first comment. *her high damage spells are expensive, her endurance and HP is low, Light and Dark are completely worthless against bosses* -Her sp is not a problem anymore in golden Invigorate restore her sp -Her hp is not really a problem, she doesn't use phys attack, she has no weakness and she is the most evasive with the highest Agility and she has Angelic Grace (Doubles evasion rate against all attacks) -She has not only Light and Dark against boss, if you really talking about golden -Yosuke is the jack of all trades of the game, she need heal to be the jack of all trades type -The rest of the party members can also being compared to the protagonist. Yu can do better than all of them, however naoto can nullify all damage with a skill. -She is broken in the term Naoto can basically cover anyone build, element and has the best support ability in the game. Yosuke has basically +1 mag than her. I'm also always bring Kanji and Yukiko in my team because you need 2 other character than Naoto and they have the best damage input in the game. The rest of the party members being specialists is not beneficial, chie and teddie are 2 ice user inferior to yukiko and kanji. The protagonist can easily buff the entire party with certain passive skill meaning chie and teddie are outclassed and naoto is better than yosuke in golden due to all her new skill and tools.
Sharte in Rhapsody! She has both healing and damaging spells, and she's Cornet's 1st puppet helper. She's there the entire time. A must have in battle.
I would disagree with Sailor Saturn. She has a cheap multitarget tech and a bunch of healing group techs which do make her very valuable, but I find that Pluto's Time Stop ability alone should put her on this list over Saturn. Especially since you can easily get a max stack of the game's equivalent of Megalixirs and just use it ever 3 turns to stop even bosses from moving.
If you liked Erik, then you should check out Red from the 3ds version of DQ8. She’s fast, can heal, has defending champion, an unblockable reviving ability, and the most op single damage attack in the game: Blade Cascade. It’s surprising how buff they made Red while either nerfing or doing nothing with the main cast.
Yeah for some reason they thought nerfing Twin Dragon Lash was a good idea. Down to .75 of your base instead of 1.5 per hit. It's alright though. Jessica's Magic Burst is still godly with high tension and maxed out MP and Red certainly is better off using knives than whips for Blade Cascade.
Sailor Saturn is awesome, but I also think Sailor Pluto was quite OP with her timestop spell. During the final boss battle, I had tons of MP restoring items (the colognes, I think they were called?) so that she could cast it every turn. The boss was pretty much locked down from attacking me every turn.
Zerase is awesome, since she joins relatively early once you unlock the Table of Stars but i would say Eresh is the better mage. But since she (or he, hmm, i dont know, they never explained anything in that game) came as one of the last characters, she doesnt get much use out of except the final dungeon and final boss.
Mcdohl Suikoden 2. He's a hidden character and hero of the previous game, but if you get him he wrecks all kinds of face. His rune causes instant death to any random encounter. He has a unite with the hero of the current game that hits everything, and can equip 2 other runes. He's powerful in both magic and physical attacks. He makes it well worth carrying over your save from the first game.
kel from omori is ridiculously op to the point where in any boss battle i had everyone else just running support he has a technique that has been appropriately named the kel nuke by the community it takes a turn to set up though, and needs help from your party. have one party member make the enemy angry(the game runs on rock paper scissors style emotion status effects ) have another party member make kel happy, have the third party member use coffee on kel(a powerful speed buff consumable that is infinitely replenishable if you know how) and make kel flex(a move that makes your next attack do 2.5x the damage) on the next turn kel just has to run and gun, a move that uses his speed stat for damage. all those bufs stack on each other, this can have kell doing upwards of 4000 damage while the other party members are still in the double digits. he becomes even better if you get the chicken ball, a hidden weapon that boosts his speed by 200 which is 100 more than his "ultimate" weapon gives him
Arngrim, Zerase, and others you’ve covered in these lists from games with tons of optional characters show how much of a double edged sword that feature can be. It also makes me curious if you’ll ever cover certain features in RPGs done right or wrong (Like you know, Chrono Cross.)
Naoto was ass in the OG Persona 4. She only really works against normal enemies, and against bosses all she really has are Megido spells, which cost too much SP for her small SP pool. In Golden they're more worth it because she actually gets Mind Charge. I can agree Naoto is pretty good in Golden, but in the OG P4 hell no.
Ana does help make things much easier in the long run in a difficult game. I'm also glad to see Guy, Rita, Peco, Rei, Sylvando on the lists too. I'm hoping see some of these other characters too: Scias(Breath of Fire IV) Just his high damage output and most of his weapons allowing him to hit twice especially with the Render. Surprised he didn't mae it yet. Rutger and Clarine(Fire Emblem 6) Insane Critical Rate that gets even higher when supported with Clarine who herself has high evasion and high movement which makes her the best healer in the game. Ange(Tales of Innocence) Just the high combo damage she can deal with her basic attack alone as well as her healing abilities. Frimelda(FFTA2) A later optional character whih starts off the bat with high attack, defense, and dual wielding. Elize Lutus(Tales of Xillia) Same thing applies with Raine, but she's far more broken here with her nearly instant healing, dispelling, damage control etc. Hubert and Cheria(Tales of Graces) They;'re both very flexible with the game's battle systems. Hubert has the highest attack power and combo potential and one of the best accels in the game. Same with Cheria. She can heal, use offensive magic, and has the best stun rate for enemies as well as arguably the best accel which stops time for a bit. Hawkeye(Trials of Mana) Can attack twice, powerful lvl 1 tech, and his dark classes breaks the game.
The most overpowered party is clearly in Suikoden V: Prince / Lyon or Miakis / Georg / Richard / Cathari / Zerase. The side / optional characters in The Legend of Heroes are also ridiculously overpowered (Aurelia Le Guin / Victor Arseid / McBurn) as well as the Trails in th Sky's characters in Trails of the Beginning (Joshua & Estelle Bright)
Red Magnus from Disgaea 5. Lowers enemies defense when he attacks. Can become giant which boosts stats and increases his unique skills ranges.. Specializes in axes, which lower enemies defenses. Lots of defense and health. He's a attacker, a tank AND a support thanks to his axes.
Red Magnus? Remind me: was Usalia on a previous list? 'Cause if she wasn't, bitch please. She does require some smart setup, but play your cards right and not only do you have the best defensive character in the game, but can spread that love to her immediate colleagues, carries decent offensive potential on top of that, and has the single most busted Overload in the entire game. And if for some reason she's actually in danger of dying and low on SP, you can Magichange her onto a fist fighter for more good times.
If you think Flonne's great, in Disgaea D2, Pure Flonne gets an Evility named 'Dangerous Revival,' which bumps up her stats the more she's healed. She can become a legitimate killing machine all by herself, and by HEALING, no less.
I think you kinda overestimated naoto a bit , especially since Yukiko with burning petals + mind charge + fire amp + kagutsuchi vow kills everything. also her having access to salvation which heals 100% hp and all ailments. And her having high magic stat shich translates to high magic defence in a game where every boss focuses on magic is downright bonkers , shes the only character that can keep up with the MCs damage and even OUTDAMAGES him sometimes
Actually, despite popular belief, MAG doesn't affect your Elemental Defense in the damage formula. Only Endurance stat, Equipped Armor, Attack Debuffs (on attacker)/Defense Buffs (on defender), Character Level (weird, I know), and Elemental Resist can reduce damage taken. Similarly, High STR doesn't affect Physical Defense. I still agree on Yukiko being pretty strong though, she fits two niches and fits them well. Most of the last party members in persona games try to juggle too many roles at once and wind up tripping (Ken, Naoto, Haru in specifics. Though I use Ken over Yukari still).
Nice list David. I just played Suikoden 5 for the first time last month and what you say about Zerase and Richard is totally true. They are both God Tier in a game that lacks difficulty to begin with. Even though the game is very easy, it may be my favorite Suikoden. Suikoden 2 is also up there, but I need some time for the recency bias towards 5 to wear off. Keep doing what you're doing!
Resolution is a bit of a giveaway. Doesn’t really help with cell shading though. Nier on the ps3 could definately be on the Ps2. Pretty ugly. I’m from the UK though, before HDMI we had co axial cables. Really bad. So the difference in ps2 and 3 has a lot to do with that, for me at least. My PS3 can only play ps1 games, so the dithering makes everything not so good. Never seen os2 in Hdmi.
Pleinair from Disgaea 1 is even more of a powerhouse than Flonne. At level 1 she can solo the first chapter, and dodge most attacks from things above her level. By the time you hit chapter 2 I hadn't been hit in over 5 fights. Pair that with her gun and skill Usagi Drop, and you have an army in 1 small girl.
I thought of a few broken Fire Emblem characters Harken from Blazing Blade: He honestly has a wonderful sword in which he has a damaging attack and he starts with the hero class in which I think is the most broken class in fe7 Felix from 3 houses: Felix has a great equipment draw and can be a theif, a brawler, or a mortal sevant and wreck your enemies up. This is more a FF6 overpowered character: Sabin: Like his brother, Sabin can blitz the for hard hitting moves like pummel and really save your but during boss fights.
Of course Raja has to be the 5th party member in Phantasy Star IV. I've found that things tend to be much easier in most RPGs when you have two healers instead of one. Having Raja in your party allows Rika to spend more time inflicting damage upon bosses (while occasionally acting as a back-up healer). While Rika is a competent healer, she is also a competent fighter - making more like the Cleric from Dragon Quest. Raja, on the other hand, is more of a dedicated healer like the White Mage from Final Fantasy. In boss fights, Raja focuses on healing the entire party. Rika can either (depending on the situation): 1) physically attack the boss; 2) keep Raja's health up so he doesn't get KO'd; 3) restore the health of a single party member who is near death while Raja focuses on healing the whole party; 4) cast a second full-party healing spell alongside Raja if the entire party is near death; or 5) cast status buffs while Rajas does the healing. And if a character gets KO'd, Raja can do the reviving, while Rika does the healing. That way, Chaz can keep on fighting without needing to stop to do the reviving. I've found the two really go great together.
Not sure i agree with your Flonne entry, specailly since considering Disgaea's mechanics, there's nothing she really does that can't be done with virtually anyone else except her 3 rather useless "personal". I mean mages in general are completely irrelevant unless you really want to play with one for flavor simply because of how versatile sword skills are as Magic's main strength is AoE, which is covered by Winged Slayer. Idk, i beat Uber Prinny Baal in both the PS2 and PSX version without ever using her :P. Laharl is plenty OP on its own lol, i know he's the main character so can't fit here but if there would be a Runner Up, i'd pick the Divine Maijin custom character class.
I played the original NES version of Dragon Quest IV. You get a glimpse of what Cristo could do in Chapter 2, but not being able to control him directly gimps him BIG TIME in Chapter 5. The same applies to his fellow royal bodyguard Brey. Bikill/ Oomph! , as badass as it is, is utterly wasted in the NES version. Controlling those characters directly and not having to rely on Artificial Stupidity makes all the difference.
Pretty much, she was great for clearing out random encounters but for bosses you want dyne-level magic skills that are amped, which she only could get in Golden. Her buffs in Golden were necessary to put her on the level of other party members like Yukiko. Also her ultimate skill in Golden isn't that useful considering it costs 160SP, so you're better off focusing on buffs, offense and heal when necessary.
the issue i have with naoto on the original is that yeah she had a lot of SP but she runs out of it very quickly even with the chakra ring equiped so wasn't that worth it bringing her (and having only almighty that uses a lot of sp by default instakills and a few physical attacks is not really that great)
Erik was soooo good, I abused of that ability of him xD I really love Erik, he's my favorite character of the game, I wonder if in another list you will include Zin from Trails in the Sky series, I used him on the second part and OMG he's just broken
I wonder does Fina from Skies of Arcadia count? Because of the game engine, once you get 18 spirit points at the start of each turn, her Luna Light technique turns the game into easy mode. Because of how broken it is.
Good choices. I am especially looking for Suikoden admittedly. All correct characters, although I am wondering why there hasn't been Suikoden 2's Killey or Sheena yet. Still, can't argue with you :D
Naoto isn't that good ngl. Give Yukiko Fire Boost + Fire Amp and use Blazing Petals and you get broken damage without Mind Charge. Fuse Yoshitsune for Yu and you can 1-shot most of the bosses in the game. Physical skills are better than magic skills so Power Charge severe damage skills on Chie or Kanji will be way better than any of Naotos Mind Charge heavy damage skills (I'm pretty sure she doesn't learn any severe damage skills). There's no way she outshines any of the high level Personas or even some of the other characters in the game.
I gotta agree. I love pretty much every aspect of Naoto, but she's just not a boss smasher like some of the other party members. Note that some bosses actually take *reduced damage from almighty* (not shown on Enemy Info screen, but it's still in affect). Golden gives her the top spot on random mob clearing, but other than that you are better off using Yosuke/Yukiko or Teddie/Chie or Kanji for the majority of bosses for max efficiency.
@@chartsol5923 He's normally regarded as the best party member for most of the game since he's a very effective jack of all trades (Phys/Wind/Heal/Buff). He also learns a severe phys damage skill and golden gives him a cadenza-clone (50% MaxHP heal + agility buff) skill, so he is easy to just toss into your party in any given situation.
@@viggy1637 ok. I traded him out for Kanji as I didn't feel like I needed another magic attacker and he didn't learn mind charge. Out of interest how useful are buffs in P4G? I was overleveled for most bosses (I beat the game at level 95) so I never really used them.
@@chartsol5923 Buffs are VERY useful, they are one of the only reasons low level runs in persona games are possible, so I think that speaks volumes on how much they impact battle. AOE -Kaja skills, Yosuke's Cadenza clone, and Chie's AOE Heat Riser (ATK, DEF, Evade/Accuracy Buff) make battles go much quicker and their effects are very visible. The same applies for debuffs, by the way (Heat Riser on Yu + Debilitate on target + Power Charged Hassou Tobi = mega damage). Also, Kanji's really great as a boss HP melter, but I wish his unique skill was more useful. It seems like a waste of a skill slot on boss fights, and it just makes Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko, and even Naoto seem even more useful during end-game content (teddie's skill is also not very reliable).
Your videos certainly brighten my day! I was thinking the other day that no one does a top 10 favorite list without the “one game per franchise” rule, and I would be very interested in seeing what your list would be like. Would you consider making one?
Arngrim is one of my favorite JRPG characters (across both games), love the sprite work and aesthetic of both him and Brahms. Also I'm pretty sure the voice actor for him is actually a female??
Have you ever heard of. or done any videos on Racing Lagoon? It's an incredibly obscure, Squaresoft-Developed, Japan-only PS1 Racing RPG, with a traditional style world map, random encounters, money, items, equipment, and a pretty long story. It came out during Square's PS1 golden years, and even utilized pre-rendered portraits for characters. It's very interesting. I don't think there's a translation yet, but anyone who's watching this channel regularly should look into this game. It has a game structure, and visual/audio aesthetic that feels almost entirely unique to 1997~1999, and it's just too strange not to look into. The team who made this game would later go on to make The Bouncer, and I think Musashi: Samurai Legend, both for the PS2.
I disagree about Ana being the best party member in EB Beginnings. That role goes to EVE, who's literally *invincible,* always moves first, & deals +700 damage per physical attack. EVE lacks the crowd damage Ana gets with PK Fire & Beam Psi, but her durability being infinite until you activate the scripted fight gives her unparalleled consistency, which is what you need in a game as volatile as EB0. Not to mention Ana's severe fragility & low speed that forces the player to basically have her guard spam to have access to her powerful healing psi techniques outside of battle if the many enemies do target her, which is a very real possibility. She also lacks the stat buffing spells like, quick up, defense up/down, & offense up/down. Ninten also has 4th-D Slip, which is integral to success in this game. so the roles are something like this: *Ninten* - Consistent all-round that's never useless. Ninten gets shit done because he has to. *Ana* - Glass Canon that dies as quickly as enemies if she's leveled & gets to move + better healing values. *Loid* - Item PSI damage Gimmick. If only he had more inventory space or more items to use. *Teddy* - The physical powerhouse when you have him, enables you to grind Ninten & Ana. *EVE* - An invincible Teddy x100. Makes common encounters your b*tch just by blocking. There's a reason why EVE is with you for a brief period of time.
There are also the Flying Men (not too useful, IMO). Then there is Pippi, who is basically a female Teddy if you level her up. The problem with Pippi is that she is only with you for a VERY short time, story-wise. I agree that lack of inventory space really holds Loid back. In fact, the limited amount of inventory space is my #1 complaint about this game.
In Phantasy Start IV from the optional characters at the end it is pretty much Raja >> Demi/Han/Kyra >>Gryz >> No One. basically it is a self imposed challenge to to do this with anyone but Raja,
@@reznat94 They were playing it up way too much, there was no way she was a he. Besides, Naoto is FAR from the first character to pull that shtick. JRPGs and Anime love using certain tropes way too much, they've made it almost impossible for me NOT to predict most of their twists.
@@ShadowWolfRising in persona 4's case the archetypes were done on purpose. as the shadows are meant to be an examination of those same anime stereotypes.
haven't seen the vid; haven't read the comments; but i saw the list I bet erik's there cause he can stack divide with sleeper hit or poison hit with the thing that multiples damage on sleepy or poisoned foes.
I like Kyra more than Raja in PS4 myself. Kyra's tandle has a spell power of 176 vs Rune's 144 to make up for that higher mental stat that Rune has and Hewn is stronger as well. So certain combo attacks that use those spells are super buffed with Kyra. Black hole ohko's every enemy at a 100% success rate anyway though and Kyra and Rune pretty much have the same speed stat if that helps. Granted yeah the priest is better for a long haul like any other white mage but it isn't like the final dungeon is some super long 50 floor bs or something. (And Kyra can heal party members better than Chaz or Hahn using tp or a skill. And even if her heal tech isn't on the level of resta's 3rd level in power. It can heal Wren like Raja can).
Naoto is not busted in any way, shape, or form except for Q lmao. She was nigh useless in the original, really good in Golden (but not broken, her stats are too mediocre), and OP in Q (not in Q2 at all).
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[0:24] - 10) Cristo - Dragon Quest IV
[1:23] - 9) Ana - Earthbound Beginnings
[2:27] - 8) Arngrim - Valkyrie Profile
[3:16] - 7) Erik - Dragon Quest XI
[4:15] - 6) Flonne - Disgaea
[5:13] - 5) Sveta - Golden Sun: Dark Dawn
[5:57] - 4) Naoto - Persona 4: The Golden
[7:03] - 3) Sailor Saturn - Sailor Moon: Another Story
[7:53] - 2) Raja - Phantasy Star 4
[8:41] - 1) Zerase - Suikoden V
The final boss of Earthbound Beginnings is glad he has plot armour protecting him otherwise some little girl is going to completely obliterate him.
I thought Ninten was good until I saw what Ana could do. While Ninten has some good abilities, his problem is that he runs out of PP eventually. Not so with Ana. Running low on PP? Find a PSI using enemy, use PSI Block on it And then use PSI Net(?) to recharge her reserves back to full. She does all this while healing AND doing damage. She puts the Energizer Bunny to shame.
@@stevenmorton2059 Ninten is still really good though; his abilities and Ana's are a match made in heaven
@@unwithering5313 That's true, Those two pretty much carried the day in the Rosemary House in Spookane (Halloween). Poor Lloyd was just along for the ride.
Ninten is an awesome character on his own. It's just that he's overshadowed by a goddess.
@@stevenmorton2059 Loid tries his best though (at least he has his talents)
Pippi would dominate the game if she could stay with your group. Same goes for Teddy.
David's pecs are the most op member of this TH-cam channel. If they were any more op they'd destroy his shirts.
Man I watched this whole thing waiting to see what you meant, but you just meant in general.
witth the arms as the runners up.
Erik is especially useful for large groups of enemies. Just Divide, equip double boomerangs, maybe pop out an Oomphle, and watch the enemies drop like flies.
Raja is a must to take to the final boss. His sense of humor is also on point.
Lol! Of course David loved Sailor Moon in High School. That's so perfect! Hahah
I'm really hoping part 6 comes out soon
For the whole Naoto voice thing, in Japan it's fairly common for female actors to play young men, and her voice is much more ambiguous.
I don't know if there was really a good way to translate that to English without giving it away, so I can't fault their casting decision
It’s also true in a English.
Bart Simpson was a woman. I’m sure there’s a few more examples but I can’t think of them.
I think Oliver in Ni’no Kuni was a woman as well, the voice actors were fantastic.
Ollie mun.
She also uses male-pronouns to refer to herself in the Japanese version until the 'reveal', but there's no equivalent to that in English. I suppose they could have had her lower her voice a touch but that kind of playacting sounds out of place for such a serious-minded character. Constantly speaking higher or lower than your usual takes a lot of concentration she could be using on the case.
besides naoto's japanese voice actress voices edward in full metal alchemist so is less obvious in the japanese voice acting
@@mrmagoo-i2l This makes me wonder what it would be like if they made an animated tv show that does not have a floating timeline (that lasts several years), and the main character is an 11 year old boy and so they cast an 11 year old boy to play him. Just as the voice actor grows up, so does the 11 year old character. If there already is an animated show with the real passing of time, I wouldn't know.
@@vintagegamer695 that is the case for finn's voice actor in adventure time
this series rly makes me realize how many jrpgs often make the main character OP af compared to their teammates
So Naoto earnestly did need buffs since she was arguably the weakest character when it came to fighting bosses, since Hama and Mudo skills won't work on them and almighty spells are very inefficient compared to physicals or elemental magic. Not having a weakness is extremely good but she's also just kinda frail stats wise, for example Margaret can sometimes manage to kill her from full through guarding with her Power Charge Hassou Tobi combo. Now she'd be potentially incredible if P4 had Bless/Curse damage spells like P5 but it doesn't and that robs her of her true potential.
Here are a few more I've unearthed:
-Mae from Shining Force. Mobility plus long-range weapons plus early recruitment, Mae is bae
-Finn from Child of Light. The guy knows practically every magic spell and can take advantage of nearly every enemy weakness. It's silly how much of a wrecking ball he is.
-Conspiracy Guy from Citizens of Earth. Nearly every single one of his attacks exploits an enemy weak spot, plus you can recruit him very early.
-Kain from Radiata Stories. Although recruiting him takes some effort, you'll be glad you did. He's the best healer in the game, can auto-heal (and teaches YOU this technique), his attack can unbalance anything (including bosses), and you get him about halfway through the game.
Elly and Emeralda from Xenogears can get broken with their AOE attacks doing massive damage on their own. Bart can also inflict weaknesses on bosses so they can hit even harder.
Bro Flonne was so darn good! She is practically a solo team!!!
Flonne is even more busted in Disgaea Dimension 2 (the sequel to Disgaea 1). Then again, MAGIC ITSELF was busted in DD2. Magic gets damage multipliers based on Weapon Mastery, and physicals don't. That's on top of the insane long range, the high damage magic does (WITHOUT the damage multipliers they get on top), and being able to hit for elemental weaknesses. And the game casually let's you teach all element spells to everyone if you want to.
Make a female healer? You can turn her into a wrecking ball as well. Your actual mage? You can give her healing spells, and she'll be a wrecking ball too.
Give Laharl magic? He'll do more damage with spells than he ever did with physical skills (despite having average magical aptitudes).
DD2 was a mess balance wise....
On the tactical JRPGs, two come to mind:
Linea from Stella Deus, and Euphoria "Euphy" from Seinarukana.
Linea is an archer/mage, which means loooong range. You get her almost at the beginning, she has insane range, her arrows are powerful, and as she learns more spells/skills, she gets even more damage potential. Plus, she is fast, which means that, even if she does not 1HKO an enemy, she will have a turn very soon again to finish the job. Because of that, she levels up pretty fast, which only makes her more deadly. And cherry on top: she gets the OPed summon spells, which can tear groups of mobs with impunity, to say nothing of her Team Tech, especially hers and Spero's.
Now, Euphy. For those who do not know Seinarukana, or its predecesor, Aselia the Eternal, it is a Strategy JRPG with a unique battle system, where you can form squads of 3 (Attacker, Defender and Mage) who each contribute a their 2 cents to the battle, including their individual HP pools; or use an All-rounder who can do all three tasks, but has only 1 HP bar. Euphy is the first true Jack of all trades you get, since she is equally good as a squad member or an All-rounder., but she shines better as an All-rounder. Her skills are pretty powerful, and she has the stats to back them up. As soon as you are able to use her, you will most often than not just send her to battle on her own and watch her plow through the enemy squads. Yes, you get Narukana on the last quarter of the game, and she is Euphy 2.0, but even then, Euphy never really gets outclassed.
It never ceases to amaze me how many interesting characters they could cram in a single Suikoden game.
Joon-gi Han from Yakuza Like a Dragon!
I'm surprised you didn't mention Erik's incredibly high dodge chance potential. In my game he's basically a dodge tank, with an evasion rate of above 25%. He's untouchable.
Oh and I can't believe I forgot to mention this but if you use Divide and then Dodgy Character Erik's evasion gets an even bigger boost upwards of 50%. He takes a lot of setting up but he's incredibly powerful against any physical attacker and can shred bosses by wasting their turns and then countering with his powerful spells and physical abilities
He doesn't leave my party. Except briefly as (story spoiler.)
@@wyndiahighwind7477 i shift him in and out but that's more speaking to how balanced the characters are in that game rather than Erik's overall ability
@@chocobros1 I used that strategy after dying to Gyldigga and having to trek all the way through the Gyldenhal again (this time going back to save after I leveled up my party a bit more)
@@paperluigi6132 oh yeah, you really need characters that can waste Gyldigga's turns if you want to beat her so Erik is a great counter to her. Fitting since that's his part of the story too, wish more RPGs designed their bosses like that.
You also really need to use him against the secret boss at the Battlefield. Even if you just swap him in and out like I did, you'll have a much easier time of it.
Joon Gi Han: Yakuza Like A Dragon
He has the highest speed, The Second highest attack, access to all three physical damage type, along with the rare shock damage type, along with Head Trauma which is glitched, it has to be otherwise the developers meant to give you a move that hits harder then essence attacks for just 6 mp, and this is his BASE CLASS. Once you get him you got very little reason to change class and less to take him out your party.
Finally a part 5....and omg ana made the list sweet
I wonder if Jacqli from Ar Tonelico 2 is in your radar, her regular Song Magic is so powerful that they are on par with other Reyvateils many levels above her, if you get her all the way up, you can just breeze throughout the game. Doesn't help she doesn't require much waiting to unleash devastating attacks unlike Luca and Cloche.
I just wanna comment on how much I loved Dragon Quest 11. Admittedly, it was my first DQ game, but since then I've played the originals on switch and I have my eye on playing 8&9. But as a huge jrpg fan, I loved how well done DQ11 was.and how nostalgic it felt. Next point is usually contentious, but I enjoyed the fake out ending. I always love when a game seems like its over, then boom. 20+ hrs to go.
Strangely, I remember another list placing Naoto on a worst party members list due to arriving very late and thus requiring a lot of extra effort to get the usual Social Link bonuses, along with all her skills being single target and expensive. I certainly found her useful for dungeon #7 will all those powerful Minotaurs and Fuzz being open to light or darkness.
This list is using the Persona 4 Golden version of Naoto, who received a considerable buff from the original. In the original P4, she was good at clearing random encounters, but was weaker against bosses due to the aforementioned expensive almighty skills, as well as bosses being immune to Hama/Mudo spells.
Ana can even full heal the party with life-up omega .
Amazing how i only know realized your pic is Lloyd. Glad more and more fans of Trails series are popping up, even if they weren't around for the Sky series and only Cold Steel, thats fine. The series in itself is amazing.
Probably my favorite thing about these overpowered party members lists in seeing characters from games I had trouble with before, playing them again with this advice in mind and seeing how much easier the game becomes!
I do have a couple of suggestions if you're planning to do another one-
Karna from Shining Force II- At first glance Karna (or Twiggy as she's known in some versions), looks like your typical white mage. However, because she starts off with the multi-target Boost spell, she can gain levels at ludicrous speed. Just a white mage with a solid pool of HP, the multi-target healing spell Aura and plenty of MP to repeatedly cast it would be nice enough on it's own, but if you choose to make her a Master Monk, she'll get all the above mentioned advantages as well as being able to hit like a truck. Couple that with the ludicrous speed at which she can gain levels by casting Boost and Aura and you'll soon end up with a unit who can handle all the remaining maps single handed.
Donnel from Fire Emblem Awakening- Again, this is a character you have to work at to get the best out of him, but the force of destruction that rewards your patience is well worth it. His Aptitude Skill boosts Growth Rates by 20% whenever he levels up. Because of this skill, he can easily end up with some of the best stats of all the First generation units. Best of all, he can pass this skill down to one of the future child characters, making Donnel's future child an honorable mention.
Aika from Skies of Arcadia- She's always useful to have around. She gets multi-target attacks like Alpha Storm pretty early in the game, making short work of random mobs, and later the more powerful multi-target Lamba Burst. Additionally, her Delta Shield negates all magic attacks, even the annoying instant-death spells. It's only draw back is that you can't use healing magic on the party, but with the use of healing items, this is hardly an issue. Later on she can also get the deceptively powerful Swirlmerang weapon- a boomerang with 200% hit rate, meaning that it can actually his the annoying Loopers and it will always confuse whatever it hits.
Jolteon from Pokemon Yellow- This one's more of a joke entry, but given your criteria of characters that outshine the main character, if you consider Pikachu the main character of the game, then Jolteon could feasibly fit. Most players will keep Pikachu as the go-to electric type on their team, but it's stats are still pretty low, so It might struggle a bit in late-game challenges. Thankfully, you can get your own Eevee and by extension, your own Jolteon as soon as you get to Celedon City. Jolteon is much faster and more powerful than Pikachu, with some of the highest Special Attack and Speed stats of the electric type Pokemon. Not only is it a better glass cannon than Pikachu, but it even has higher defence and special defence. Basically Jolteon is Tales Of The Abyss' Guy to Pikachu's Luke.
Raja's Ataraxia and Miracle makes the final battle very easy.
How about Aika from Skies of Arcadia? Her speed, plus abilities like alpha storm and lambda burst are great for mowing down enemies.
Ioshua from Star Ocean 1 is OP as well. In my eyes he is the best caster PERIOD in not just his game, but the ENTIRE Star Ocean series. He gets SO MANY screen filling attacks that’ll obliterate EVERYTHING, and his support and utility spells are NOT to be scoffed at. He is both versatile AND over powered. And honestly, mages who can do a little bit of everything are my favorite. I mean you’re wizard after all, you should be able to do a lot of things.
Two more I thought of while mulling about at work
1) Marina in Valkyria Chronicles. The sniper class in general is OP, but with one really easy level up, her accuracy becomes 100% and she can just headshot everything. You can also start the game with her if you're lucky (I think some speedrunners literally reset if she's not in the base roster, it's not insanely rare and every character will unlock eventually, but having her in the start is the best)
2) Agito from Lost Dimension. He can teleport and can use this to go through even locked doors. He also has the ability to instantly teleport summon the rest of your entire party later on. There's one map where you're meant to go around the long way due to a locked door because you only have to defeat the big enemy on that map. Guess what? Agito can teleport, warp everyone to him, then the pain can begin as every character who is nearby will join in a combo attack. There are 6 party members, and the other 5 basically each get 6 hits due to them + 5 more party members. It can reduce bosses to nothing quickly
Naoto?
She has no Amp or Boost skills, her high damage spells are expensive, her endurance and HP is low, Light and Dark are completely worthless against bosses...
I would personally say Naoto belongs on the Worst Party Members list, not this one.
Probably because he mentionned GOLDEN, She gains new skill in GOLDEN, her almighty damage on her is insane plus her shield to block one attack, she has ali dance (She can dodge all element) She has mind charge, she can also cover all element, Naoto is basically game-breaking
@@Jfray252 I'm talking about Golden as well.
@@Jfray252 Her almighty damage is insane? Here, let's do some math:
Megidolaon has 420 base power, for 60 SP.
-Dyne skills have 320 base power, for 12 SP.
Megidolaon deals 1.3x the damage for 3x the SP cost.
But every other party member besides Chie also gets Boost and Amp skills, which boost their damage further. This brings the base power of -Dyne skills to 560, doing 1.3x the damage of Naoto's Megidolaon, for a third of the cost.
But let's get Mind Charge in the mix: Mind Charge boosts a move's power by 2.5x which brings Megidolaon's power to 1050 for 75 SP in total. Since it takes two turns to pull off, let's compare it to two uses of a Boost + Amp -Dyne skill: 560 x 2 = 1120, *still* more powerful than a Mind Charged Megidolaon for only 24 SP.
But what about her stats?
Admittedly, the SMT Wiki only has stats for their initial personas at level 99, so I don't know how much of a boost they'll get from their third tier personas. But assuming the general comparisons remain true, we see Naoto's magic is equal to Yosuke, and inferior to Teddie and Yukiko's magic stats, her main competition as magic users.
And as for how Chie and Kanji's damage compare, God's Hand has 1600 base power, and Primal Force 2200, easily out damaging everyone else.
She can cover all elements? Well you're right, that is a useful skill. It's a good thing that Yu can do that too, and much, *much* better.
The problem with Naoto is that she tries to be a jack of all trades in a game where the protagonist is a master of all. Therefore, the rest of the party members being specialists is much more beneficial.
@@pointblankvt6780 don't forget Yukiko getting burning petals and fire amp and in the final dungeon you can give her a kagutsuchi vow which increases fire power by 50% , with fire amp she gets a 100% boost to the power of burning petals which is a 4 tier spell that coupled with the fact that yukiko ALSO gets mind charge means that there is absolutely NO reason to use naoto as a magic dealer . Like seriously the best party in the game against bosses is MC ( hassou tobi) , Kanji ( phys damage ) , Yukiko (magic damage ) and texdie ( healing and buffs )
@@pointblankvt6780 Honestly you didn't seem talking about golden in ur first comment.
*her high damage spells are expensive, her endurance and HP is low, Light and Dark are completely worthless against bosses*
-Her sp is not a problem anymore in golden Invigorate restore her sp
-Her hp is not really a problem, she doesn't use phys attack, she has no weakness and she is the most evasive with the highest Agility and she has Angelic Grace (Doubles evasion rate against all attacks)
-She has not only Light and Dark against boss, if you really talking about golden
-Yosuke is the jack of all trades of the game, she need heal to be the jack of all trades type
-The rest of the party members can also being compared to the protagonist. Yu can do better than all of them, however naoto can nullify all damage with a skill.
-She is broken in the term Naoto can basically cover anyone build, element and has the best support ability in the game. Yosuke has basically +1 mag than her. I'm also always bring Kanji and Yukiko in my team because you need 2 other character than Naoto and they have the best damage input in the game. The rest of the party members being specialists is not beneficial, chie and teddie are 2 ice user inferior to yukiko and kanji. The protagonist can easily buff the entire party with certain passive skill meaning chie and teddie are outclassed and naoto is better than yosuke in golden due to all her new skill and tools.
Putting Zerase and Richard in the same party should be illegal.
Sharte in Rhapsody! She has both healing and damaging spells, and she's Cornet's 1st puppet helper. She's there the entire time. A must have in battle.
I would disagree with Sailor Saturn. She has a cheap multitarget tech and a bunch of healing group techs which do make her very valuable, but I find that Pluto's Time Stop ability alone should put her on this list over Saturn. Especially since you can easily get a max stack of the game's equivalent of Megalixirs and just use it ever 3 turns to stop even bosses from moving.
OMG. That was what I said, too! XD
If you liked Erik, then you should check out Red from the 3ds version of DQ8. She’s fast, can heal, has defending champion, an unblockable reviving ability, and the most op single damage attack in the game: Blade Cascade. It’s surprising how buff they made Red while either nerfing or doing nothing with the main cast.
Yeah for some reason they thought nerfing Twin Dragon Lash was a good idea. Down to .75 of your base instead of 1.5 per hit. It's alright though. Jessica's Magic Burst is still godly with high tension and maxed out MP and Red certainly is better off using knives than whips for Blade Cascade.
4:15 CRAB LEGS!
Erik is super cute, too. Overkill.
Shout out to Sveta is hard core!
Sailor Saturn is awesome, but I also think Sailor Pluto was quite OP with her timestop spell. During the final boss battle, I had tons of MP restoring items (the colognes, I think they were called?) so that she could cast it every turn. The boss was pretty much locked down from attacking me every turn.
Zerase is awesome, since she joins relatively early once you unlock the Table of Stars but i would say Eresh is the better mage. But since she (or he, hmm, i dont know, they never explained anything in that game) came as one of the last characters, she doesnt get much use out of except the final dungeon and final boss.
Mcdohl Suikoden 2. He's a hidden character and hero of the previous game, but if you get him he wrecks all kinds of face. His rune causes instant death to any random encounter. He has a unite with the hero of the current game that hits everything, and can equip 2 other runes. He's powerful in both magic and physical attacks. He makes it well worth carrying over your save from the first game.
kel from omori is ridiculously op to the point where in any boss battle i had everyone else just running support he has a technique that has been appropriately named the kel nuke by the community it takes a turn to set up though, and needs help from your party. have one party member make the enemy angry(the game runs on rock paper scissors style emotion status effects ) have another party member make kel happy, have the third party member use coffee on kel(a powerful speed buff consumable that is infinitely replenishable if you know how) and make kel flex(a move that makes your next attack do 2.5x the damage) on the next turn kel just has to run and gun, a move that uses his speed stat for damage. all those bufs stack on each other, this can have kell doing upwards of 4000 damage while the other party members are still in the double digits. he becomes even better if you get the chicken ball, a hidden weapon that boosts his speed by 200 which is 100 more than his "ultimate" weapon gives him
Zerase is OP. She didn't leave my party along with Josephine. Even if Josephine isn't good I liked the contrast 😁
Pretty much. Equip Zerase with Magic Absorb and Flowing Runes, and the game just goes "Okay, I give up"
I played mother when I didn't have much experience in jrpgs and I thought that Ana was trash because of her bad physical strength.
We might need to start a 'bitch' count. I love this channel so much omg
Bacchus and Arumat from Star Ocean the Last Hope should be in a future video
Arngrim, Zerase, and others you’ve covered in these lists from games with tons of optional characters show how much of a double edged sword that feature can be. It also makes me curious if you’ll ever cover certain features in RPGs done right or wrong (Like you know, Chrono Cross.)
Now imagine an RPG where you create a party by selecting from these 50 overpowered characters.
Naoto was ass in the OG Persona 4. She only really works against normal enemies, and against bosses all she really has are Megido spells, which cost too much SP for her small SP pool. In Golden they're more worth it because she actually gets Mind Charge. I can agree Naoto is pretty good in Golden, but in the OG P4 hell no.
Ana does help make things much easier in the long run in a difficult game. I'm also glad to see Guy, Rita, Peco, Rei, Sylvando on the lists too. I'm hoping see some of these other characters too:
Scias(Breath of Fire IV) Just his high damage output and most of his weapons allowing him to hit twice especially with the Render. Surprised he didn't mae it yet.
Rutger and Clarine(Fire Emblem 6) Insane Critical Rate that gets even higher when supported with Clarine who herself has high evasion and high movement which makes her the best healer in the game.
Ange(Tales of Innocence) Just the high combo damage she can deal with her basic attack alone as well as her healing abilities.
Frimelda(FFTA2) A later optional character whih starts off the bat with high attack, defense, and dual wielding.
Elize Lutus(Tales of Xillia) Same thing applies with Raine, but she's far more broken here with her nearly instant healing, dispelling, damage control etc.
Hubert and Cheria(Tales of Graces) They;'re both very flexible with the game's battle systems. Hubert has the highest attack power and combo potential and one of the best accels in the game. Same with Cheria. She can heal, use offensive magic, and has the best stun rate for enemies as well as arguably the best accel which stops time for a bit.
Hawkeye(Trials of Mana) Can attack twice, powerful lvl 1 tech, and his dark classes breaks the game.
Yay Naoto and Erik!!!
The most overpowered party is clearly in Suikoden V: Prince / Lyon or Miakis / Georg / Richard / Cathari / Zerase.
The side / optional characters in The Legend of Heroes are also ridiculously overpowered (Aurelia Le Guin / Victor Arseid / McBurn) as well as the Trails in th Sky's characters in Trails of the Beginning (Joshua & Estelle Bright)
Yay finally another installment I'm so excited 😄
Red Magnus from Disgaea 5.
Lowers enemies defense when he attacks. Can become giant which boosts stats and increases his unique skills ranges.. Specializes in axes, which lower enemies defenses. Lots of defense and health. He's a attacker, a tank AND a support thanks to his axes.
Red Magnus? Remind me: was Usalia on a previous list? 'Cause if she wasn't, bitch please.
She does require some smart setup, but play your cards right and not only do you have the best defensive character in the game, but can spread that love to her immediate colleagues, carries decent offensive potential on top of that, and has the single most busted Overload in the entire game. And if for some reason she's actually in danger of dying and low on SP, you can Magichange her onto a fist fighter for more good times.
I'm intrigued. I never got use out of Flonne, but now I'm curious to try again.
If you think Flonne's great, in Disgaea D2, Pure Flonne gets an Evility named 'Dangerous Revival,' which bumps up her stats the more she's healed. She can become a legitimate killing machine all by herself, and by HEALING, no less.
I think you kinda overestimated naoto a bit , especially since Yukiko with burning petals + mind charge + fire amp + kagutsuchi vow kills everything. also her having access to salvation which heals 100% hp and all ailments. And her having high magic stat shich translates to high magic defence in a game where every boss focuses on magic is downright bonkers , shes the only character that can keep up with the MCs damage and even OUTDAMAGES him sometimes
Actually, despite popular belief, MAG doesn't affect your Elemental Defense in the damage formula. Only Endurance stat, Equipped Armor, Attack Debuffs (on attacker)/Defense Buffs (on defender), Character Level (weird, I know), and Elemental Resist can reduce damage taken. Similarly, High STR doesn't affect Physical Defense. I still agree on Yukiko being pretty strong though, she fits two niches and fits them well. Most of the last party members in persona games try to juggle too many roles at once and wind up tripping (Ken, Naoto, Haru in specifics. Though I use Ken over Yukari still).
P4 is the only time the MC goes full support because of her😂
Nice list David. I just played Suikoden 5 for the first time last month and what you say about Zerase and Richard is totally true. They are both God Tier in a game that lacks difficulty to begin with. Even though the game is very easy, it may be my favorite Suikoden. Suikoden 2 is also up there, but I need some time for the recency bias towards 5 to wear off. Keep doing what you're doing!
Flonne, Star spells and Holy Arrows. That's all you need.
I never thought I would say this, but I have trouble telling whether some games are PS2 or PS3 from graphics.
Resolution is a bit of a giveaway. Doesn’t really help with cell shading though.
Nier on the ps3 could definately be on the Ps2. Pretty ugly.
I’m from the UK though, before HDMI we had co axial cables. Really bad. So the difference in ps2 and 3 has a lot to do with that, for me at least.
My PS3 can only play ps1 games, so the dithering makes everything not so good. Never seen os2 in Hdmi.
Pleinair from Disgaea 1 is even more of a powerhouse than Flonne. At level 1 she can solo the first chapter, and dodge most attacks from things above her level. By the time you hit chapter 2 I hadn't been hit in over 5 fights. Pair that with her gun and skill Usagi Drop, and you have an army in 1 small girl.
I thought of a few broken Fire Emblem characters
Harken from Blazing Blade: He honestly has a wonderful sword in which he has a damaging attack and he starts with the hero class in which I think is the most broken class in fe7
Felix from 3 houses: Felix has a great equipment draw and can be a theif, a brawler, or a mortal sevant and wreck your enemies up.
This is more a FF6 overpowered character:
Sabin: Like his brother, Sabin can blitz the for hard hitting moves like pummel and really save your but during boss fights.
Of course Raja has to be the 5th party member in Phantasy Star IV. I've found that things tend to be much easier in most RPGs when you have two healers instead of one. Having Raja in your party allows Rika to spend more time inflicting damage upon bosses (while occasionally acting as a back-up healer). While Rika is a competent healer, she is also a competent fighter - making more like the Cleric from Dragon Quest. Raja, on the other hand, is more of a dedicated healer like the White Mage from Final Fantasy.
In boss fights, Raja focuses on healing the entire party. Rika can either (depending on the situation): 1) physically attack the boss; 2) keep Raja's health up so he doesn't get KO'd; 3) restore the health of a single party member who is near death while Raja focuses on healing the whole party; 4) cast a second full-party healing spell alongside Raja if the entire party is near death; or 5) cast status buffs while Rajas does the healing. And if a character gets KO'd, Raja can do the reviving, while Rika does the healing. That way, Chaz can keep on fighting without needing to stop to do the reviving.
I've found the two really go great together.
Not sure i agree with your Flonne entry, specailly since considering Disgaea's mechanics, there's nothing she really does that can't be done with virtually anyone else except her 3 rather useless "personal". I mean mages in general are completely irrelevant unless you really want to play with one for flavor simply because of how versatile sword skills are as Magic's main strength is AoE, which is covered by Winged Slayer.
Idk, i beat Uber Prinny Baal in both the PS2 and PSX version without ever using her :P. Laharl is plenty OP on its own lol, i know he's the main character so can't fit here but if there would be a Runner Up, i'd pick the Divine Maijin custom character class.
I played the original NES version of Dragon Quest IV. You get a glimpse of what Cristo could do in Chapter 2, but not being able to control him directly gimps him BIG TIME in Chapter 5. The same applies to his fellow royal bodyguard Brey. Bikill/ Oomph! , as badass as it is, is utterly wasted in the NES version.
Controlling those characters directly and not having to rely on Artificial Stupidity makes all the difference.
Naoto is NOT that good in the original P4. She's full of instant death attacks which are USELESS against bosses.
And don’t forget her defense and how quick her hp decreases, sheesh
I know she was a glass cannon but definitely didn’t work out in the original
Pretty much, she was great for clearing out random encounters but for bosses you want dyne-level magic skills that are amped, which she only could get in Golden. Her buffs in Golden were necessary to put her on the level of other party members like Yukiko. Also her ultimate skill in Golden isn't that useful considering it costs 160SP, so you're better off focusing on buffs, offense and heal when necessary.
She's not that good in PQ2 either; she took some heavy nerfs
@@Patney1 Yeah I'll be honest, I don't get why she was put on this list at all.
the issue i have with naoto on the original is that yeah she had a lot of SP but she runs out of it very quickly even with the chakra ring equiped so wasn't that worth it bringing her (and having only almighty that uses a lot of sp by default instakills and a few physical attacks is not really that great)
Erik was soooo good, I abused of that ability of him xD I really love Erik, he's my favorite character of the game, I wonder if in another list you will include Zin from Trails in the Sky series, I used him on the second part and OMG he's just broken
Sveta is indeed an powerful Adept but her wolf form depends on how many Djins are active
I wonder does Fina from Skies of Arcadia count? Because of the game engine, once you get 18 spirit points at the start of each turn, her Luna Light technique turns the game into easy mode. Because of how broken it is.
Good choices. I am especially looking for Suikoden admittedly. All correct characters, although I am wondering why there hasn't been Suikoden 2's Killey or Sheena yet. Still, can't argue with you :D
Naoto isn't that good ngl. Give Yukiko Fire Boost + Fire Amp and use Blazing Petals and you get broken damage without Mind Charge. Fuse Yoshitsune for Yu and you can 1-shot most of the bosses in the game. Physical skills are better than magic skills so Power Charge severe damage skills on Chie or Kanji will be way better than any of Naotos Mind Charge heavy damage skills (I'm pretty sure she doesn't learn any severe damage skills). There's no way she outshines any of the high level Personas or even some of the other characters in the game.
I gotta agree. I love pretty much every aspect of Naoto, but she's just not a boss smasher like some of the other party members. Note that some bosses actually take *reduced damage from almighty* (not shown on Enemy Info screen, but it's still in affect). Golden gives her the top spot on random mob clearing, but other than that you are better off using Yosuke/Yukiko or Teddie/Chie or Kanji for the majority of bosses for max efficiency.
@@viggy1637 yeah. I'm not sure Yosuke is very useful either but I've heard a few people say he's good.
@@chartsol5923 He's normally regarded as the best party member for most of the game since he's a very effective jack of all trades (Phys/Wind/Heal/Buff). He also learns a severe phys damage skill and golden gives him a cadenza-clone (50% MaxHP heal + agility buff) skill, so he is easy to just toss into your party in any given situation.
@@viggy1637 ok. I traded him out for Kanji as I didn't feel like I needed another magic attacker and he didn't learn mind charge. Out of interest how useful are buffs in P4G? I was overleveled for most bosses (I beat the game at level 95) so I never really used them.
@@chartsol5923 Buffs are VERY useful, they are one of the only reasons low level runs in persona games are possible, so I think that speaks volumes on how much they impact battle. AOE -Kaja skills, Yosuke's Cadenza clone, and Chie's AOE Heat Riser (ATK, DEF, Evade/Accuracy Buff) make battles go much quicker and their effects are very visible. The same applies for debuffs, by the way (Heat Riser on Yu + Debilitate on target + Power Charged Hassou Tobi = mega damage). Also, Kanji's really great as a boss HP melter, but I wish his unique skill was more useful. It seems like a waste of a skill slot on boss fights, and it just makes Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko, and even Naoto seem even more useful during end-game content (teddie's skill is also not very reliable).
Arngrim is so accurate.
Killey from suiko 2 with fury, double beat and double strike runes
Hey, David! Did you play Tenchi Muyu Game Hen for snes? Is a strategy and short rpg based on anime and I adore. I believe that you will like too.
"Bitch, please!" 😂 You're hilarious. I must play Persona 4 now lol
I know that you've been doing best/worst party members but what about super weak final bosses or the most overpowered protagonists?
Your videos certainly brighten my day! I was thinking the other day that no one does a top 10 favorite list without the “one game per franchise” rule, and I would be very interested in seeing what your list would be like. Would you consider making one?
Well most of my earlier videos are like that. I really didn't care about limitations back then lol
@@davidvinc I’ll have to watch those then. Thanks! 😊
Arngrim is one of my favorite JRPG characters (across both games), love the sprite work and aesthetic of both him and Brahms. Also I'm pretty sure the voice actor for him is actually a female??
Have you ever heard of. or done any videos on Racing Lagoon? It's an incredibly obscure, Squaresoft-Developed, Japan-only PS1 Racing RPG, with a traditional style world map, random encounters, money, items, equipment, and a pretty long story. It came out during Square's PS1 golden years, and even utilized pre-rendered portraits for characters. It's very interesting. I don't think there's a translation yet, but anyone who's watching this channel regularly should look into this game. It has a game structure, and visual/audio aesthetic that feels almost entirely unique to 1997~1999, and it's just too strange not to look into. The team who made this game would later go on to make The Bouncer, and I think Musashi: Samurai Legend, both for the PS2.
I disagree about Ana being the best party member in EB Beginnings. That role goes to EVE, who's literally *invincible,* always moves first, & deals +700 damage per physical attack. EVE lacks the crowd damage Ana gets with PK Fire & Beam Psi, but her durability being infinite until you activate the scripted fight gives her unparalleled consistency, which is what you need in a game as volatile as EB0.
Not to mention Ana's severe fragility & low speed that forces the player to basically have her guard spam to have access to her powerful healing psi techniques outside of battle if the many enemies do target her, which is a very real possibility. She also lacks the stat buffing spells like, quick up, defense up/down, & offense up/down. Ninten also has 4th-D Slip, which is integral to success in this game.
so the roles are something like this:
*Ninten* - Consistent all-round that's never useless. Ninten gets shit done because he has to.
*Ana* - Glass Canon that dies as quickly as enemies if she's leveled & gets to move + better healing values.
*Loid* - Item PSI damage Gimmick. If only he had more inventory space or more items to use.
*Teddy* - The physical powerhouse when you have him, enables you to grind Ninten & Ana.
*EVE* - An invincible Teddy x100. Makes common encounters your b*tch just by blocking. There's a reason why EVE is with you for a brief period of time.
There are also the Flying Men (not too useful, IMO). Then there is Pippi, who is basically a female Teddy if you level her up. The problem with Pippi is that she is only with you for a VERY short time, story-wise.
I agree that lack of inventory space really holds Loid back. In fact, the limited amount of inventory space is my #1 complaint about this game.
Which one of Raja's skills restores TP? I'm using the PS3 version if that helps.
Ataraxia
Arngrim
Me: Yes! YES! *throws head back* YEEEEESSS
Arngrim never leave my party in all my playthroughs
In Phantasy Start IV from the optional characters at the end it is pretty much Raja >> Demi/Han/Kyra >>Gryz >> No One.
basically it is a self imposed challenge to to do this with anyone but Raja,
the noato thing was a dub issue. i'm pretty sure it was less obvious in the japanese version.
Just looking at her made it obvious.
@@ShadowWolfRising The Japanese love making male characters that look feminine, so what you see is not always what you get.
@@reznat94 They were playing it up way too much, there was no way she was a he.
Besides, Naoto is FAR from the first character to pull that shtick.
JRPGs and Anime love using certain tropes way too much, they've made it almost impossible for me NOT to predict most of their twists.
@@ShadowWolfRising in persona 4's case the archetypes were done on purpose. as the shadows are meant to be an examination of those same anime stereotypes.
I forgot about Raja. Without him, good luck beating the final boss. I’m sure it’s possible but you probably would have to over level a lot.
Can we get part 6 of overpower party members
Lol, you could list like 10 characters for S5.
Isn't Veronica in XI straight up Broken in the post-game?
haven't seen the vid; haven't read the comments; but i saw the list
I bet erik's there cause he can stack divide with sleeper hit or poison hit with the thing that multiples damage on sleepy or poisoned foes.
called it :)
Yuna (FFX). Get her an attack spell, and you have a better magic attacker than Lulu, oh, and she can summon, and heal
Yes! RAAAAJAAAAA & SATURNNNNNN! YES! GREAT LIST MY FRIEND!
Great video
Zerase has better sustain with a magic absorb rune equipped, but Viki has better damage output potential with her chain magic skill.
I like Kyra more than Raja in PS4 myself. Kyra's tandle has a spell power of 176 vs Rune's 144 to make up for that higher mental stat that Rune has and Hewn is stronger as well. So certain combo attacks that use those spells are super buffed with Kyra.
Black hole ohko's every enemy at a 100% success rate anyway though and Kyra and Rune pretty much have the same speed stat if that helps. Granted yeah the priest is better for a long haul like any other white mage but it isn't like the final dungeon is some super long 50 floor bs or something. (And Kyra can heal party members better than Chaz or Hahn using tp or a skill. And even if her heal tech isn't on the level of resta's 3rd level in power. It can heal Wren like Raja can).
Naoto is not busted in any way, shape, or form except for Q lmao. She was nigh useless in the original, really good in Golden (but not broken, her stats are too mediocre), and OP in Q (not in Q2 at all).
Hey david are these more from a story perspective or like an attribute point of view.
Looking at the reasoning it’s attributes
I personally like Veronica and Serena as party members.
"Just like in the show, Sailor Saturn's HP is on the low side." Did I miss that episode? lol, why do you say this?
Well, she was a sickly girl. And her body were in constant pain when she meet Chibi Usa.
Yeah i noticed that about Eric.
Yeah, piccolo was definitely OP in phantasy star 4. Goku taught him well.