Suzuki DL 1050 V Strom clutch basket. Did Suzuki fix the "Chudder"?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2020
- A teardown of a new 21200-31Y20 Suzuki Primary Gear driven ( clutch basket ). Shows why the part number has changed. Compares to the previous generation baskets ( 21200-31Y11 ) and to the First Generation V Strom and SV clutch baskets.
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I'm so grateful for the work you do. You transformed my sv1000 from an annoyance to an absolute joy. Keep it up! What you did to my clutch basket was worth every penny.
Awesome! You're still around!
Very nice video, thank you for these informations!
Спасибо вам за проделанную работу!!!
Очень жаль,что Zuzuki так и не захотели исправить и модернизировать это узел,он действительно очень нагружен по работе и нуждается в усилении и доработке!!!
У меня V-strom 2015 года пробег 23.000т корзина сильно грохочет и добавляет вибраций,что не приятно:(
Если бы производитель озаботился этой проблемной и выпустил корзину сцепления с усилениями и исправил все недочеты,я уверен они бы продавались с большой популярностью и отбили бы все затраты производства,так как,данный мотоцикл очень надежный и с большим ресурсом мотор.
Вам большое спасибо за ваш труд!!!
Great info, thanks for sharing
Thank you for this video! I start to get weak once in a while about buying a newer vstrom 1050 but I can't take the chudder again. It drove me nuts. I'll look at 650 vstroms instead.
Nothing wrong with the 650 V stroms. I own one. But they are NOT to be compared to the new 1050 for an all around road bike. No comparison in braking, suspension, power, and you can get cruise control on them. Chudder? Well, the newer versions are a bit tighter and take a bit longer to chudder. But the WERKS modifications fix that so it never happens again. Every bike has something that needs fixed, upgraded, or changed. Hell, a new seat costs more than a WERKS modification!
@@werkspartsllc7856 Thank you for the advice and information. 👍 I agree with you and appreciate it.
I find incredible that Suzuki didn't make a recall, and replaced with a new revised part. I've had a brand New k5 Sv1000, and with just 20 thousand kilometres, it developed a horrible vibration from the clutch. I've send it to the dealer at least 5 times, and the mechanic keep saying that it was normal... Men, I sold that bike so cheap, just to get ride of it. I was a die hard fan of the brand ( I've owned 4 Suzuki's before the SV), but after that SV, I won't ever, ever spend my hard earned money on another Suzuki again!
I did exactly the same after owning an 2016 dl1000. It developed an horrible an chudder.
And mechanic told that it was normal. Sold it....
I will never buy Suzuki again.
hello, there is a difference of 1mm between the basket body (the length of the fit under the weakest spring in the body of the basket) and the groove in the gear, that is, the groove in the gear is 1mm longer, because of this there is free movement, should it be like this? or do something about it? at the same time, the weakest spring has a rod diameter of 4 mm, the rest are all the same, (gsx-r 750)
Hello. can i put a clutch basket from a v strom 1050 on a 2014 v strom 1000?
Nice, do you know if the new basket 21200-31Y11 is interchangeable with the older model up to 2012?
All the DL 1000-1050 baskets are "interchangeable". I use the 31Y11 and 31Y20 clutch baskets when I sell the new OEM modified baskets to all DL customers. I do prefer them over the older design, but they do NOT fix chudder or main bearing wear. I simply like the heavier top spring plate on them....
I recently bought a 2003 SV1000 with just over 32,000 miles. I don't seem to have any of the symptoms of the chudder. Is there a way of inspecting the basket to see if you've already fixed it? The bike appears to have had good care taken of it, although I did have to do the fix on the flywheel magnets.
I machine the anti-balloon ring smooth on all the baskets I upgrade. So you might be able to get a flashlight and small mirror to look through the oil fill cap hole at the center/anti balloon ring on the basket. If that shows machining marks, it has been modified. There are modified baskets out there done by Sharealike in the UK that won't have this done to them. Some of those are well done, some are not ( main bearing clearance is all over the place with those).
Otherwise you would have to pull the clutch cover and pull the clutch pack out. If yoiu see 3 threaded fasteners instead of rivets that clutch basket has been apart. You can also look for a Bronze bushing pressed into the main bearing area.
@@werkspartsllc7856 thank you for all of the information. I might pull off the cover and have a look. Not much else to do during these Iowa winters!
I have a 2012 650 with 71,000 miles on it and just bought a 2014 1000 with 11,000 on it for a back up which will eventually be the 650's replacement. The 1000 is fine at this time but I'm thinking just go ahead and make the upgrade and be done with it while the 650 is still going strong. I keep my bikes for 100k and at my age this 1000 will most likely be my last one. I be dammed if I want to think about when is the chudder going to start every time I ride it. Guess you would call this a piece of mind fix.
Nothing wrong with upgrading the clutch baskets in the 2014+ DL 1000/1050. These typically go longer before developing chudder than the first gen bikes...usually closer to 20,000 miles. So you have time to decide if you want to get the upgrade done.
Thanks for making this video. I am thinking to buy a 2022 or 2023 suzuki vstrom 1050. So this problem may occur in these late models? Would you recommend not to buy one? I appreciate your response, it will help me decide
While the new DL 1050 has basically the same design clutch basket as the first generation DL 1000, there ARE a few improvements. Mainly they tightened up the casting clearances ( takes longer for wear to get to the point noises and vibrations become noticeable) and finally machined the bearing surface of the steel gear ( ground finish instead of rough tooling marks ) so the steel doesn't eat into the aluminum quite as fast. I often see these with well over 20,000 miles now and no real obvious signs of chudder. So, this would in no way keep me from buying one of these bikes. Besides, should it come to needing a clutch basket upgrade, I can fix it so you won't need to do it ever again! All bikes have some inherent issues. This one is figured out and an easy fix.
@@werkspartsllc7856 Hey thank you very much for your response. I have been researching this bike for a long time and your advice really helps me in my decision to buy one. I kept hearing about the clutch basket problems here and there in video comments and then found your video. Thanks again, much appreciated.
Wonderful video! Very informative...Do the DL650's like the Vstrom 650 also suffer from this?
The DL 650 is a completely different design. No problems with those!
Hi,
Sorry for the irrelevant question but I have a 1050 XT model from 2020 with about 9000 miles on the clock and the clutch slipping severe above 4,500 rpm when open full and hard the throttle.
Any idea where to look first?
I took it to the dealer and tells me bsh!t
Thanks in advance 🙏
Are you sure the clutch is slipping? Does the tachometer rpms raise quickly when this happens? If so then there are two areas to look into. First is the clutch slave cylinder and pushrod that goes into the input shaft of the transmission ( in front of the front sprocket). Those can get covered in oil, grease, and road debris and cause the piston in the slave and the pushrod to stick. This does not allow full pressure from the pressure plate. Next is the slipper assembly. 2014 and up have a slipper inner hub design. I don't have much experience with them, but if there is a broken part or something out of place it could cause this too.
Did you solve the slipping problem? I started to have it, too, and I'm not sure what to do...
@@eugenemorozov Slipping isn't part of a clutch basket problem. Typically that is going to be caused by a pushrod not returning properly, or a slave cylinder not retracting fully under certain conditions. Aftermarket clutch levers are a known cause of causing slipping too.
@@eugenemorozov
Below is my update-answer from the fb group Vstrom 1050.
I tried the bike today,on a long ride on twisty b roads ,pushing the 3rd and 4th gear hard all the time,up to the rev limiter.
Thi slippage completely disappeared,making me even more angry for the local Suzuki's technicians.
I need to have two words with them also 🤬
The problem was the clutch's push rod.All this sh*t glogged the clutch and wasn't fully returning when releasing the clutch, resulting clutch slipping. The amount of the debris,old grease, road filth in the area was incredible.
When I took it to the dealer and I told him that this might be the reason for the clutch slippage,they looked at me like the cow in the field watching the trains passing by 🤣🤣🤣 .They only changed (and charged) the clutch fluids and then suggested that I pay and change the clutch disks.The bike has 14.000km of extremely easy riding...
I hope the clutch stops slipping now 😀
If anyone tries this,be careful of the rubber "sock" that protects the cylinder from the debris (it can be cut easily if not careful) ,and drain out all the clutch fluid as the cylinder will pop out if you don't...
@@werkspartsllc7856 EXACTLY ❤️
do you mean the idle hammer effect?
Idle Hammer is not related to the clutch basket. Some might think it is, as idle hammer will soften or go away sometimes on some bikes when you pull in the clutch lever. BUT....that only changes the load on the crankshaft ( which is what makes the idle hammer noise ). Clutch chudder is a vibration in these bikes in the 2500-4000 rpm range mainly. It can be a rather harsh vibration actually causing body panels to vibrate! There are also noises associated with worn baskets. A tinny sounding metallic slapping noise at idle is a common sign the inner plate ( as shown in this video ) is loose and slapping back and forth.
I have this problem on my 2014 V-Strom, and its ugly. Especialy the fact, that nobody in Czech Republic do that repair or tuning, you can just replace for new one, which is not what save situation for long time. Ill be so happy if somebody like you help me :( I dont want to change bike, iam Strom lover and got thirt liter already 😄
I have shipped my WERKS modified clutch baskets all over the world. I can help with yours too. Just contact my via the contact forms on the website or the e-mail address listed there.
Would you ship a basket to the Washington state area ?
I have shipped many baskets to Washington over the years! There seems to be a really big V Strom following in that state. So, yes I do ship there.
@@werkspartsllc7856 oh sweet do I need to send you the current one is in my vee ?
@@noedelacruz5910 You can send in your current basket. Usually takes one business day for the modifications. I also have an exchange program where I ship you a basket built on a good used core. You install that one and ship back your old one as the core. Last, I have new OEM baskets that have had the full WERKS modifications done to them.
I have a 2020 1050 with 30 000kms..roughly 18 000 miles. Just did a run to the arctic circle. The basket makes horrible noise. I'm in the east coast of Canada. Can you ship to me?