Honestly the vault dwellers would be the second closest thing to an American citizen (besides the enclave themselves) so I never understood why they would do this
simple, nearly 95% of vault dwellers were experimental mice chosen by the same Government and corporation that later on became the enclave to be experimented upon in their vaults. so to them they are just mice that survived the experiments, nothing more.
The devs stated the opening to fallout 2 isn’t really cannon because they captured all the residents and just wanted to put the cutscene in because it goes so hard
The Enclave in Fallout 3 were not trying to commit mass murder. They didn't know about President Eden's plan to poison the water. Not even Colonel Autumn knew about it. They were just trying to seize control of the purifier and use it to further their control of the wasteland.
@Another day people like you are why there isn’t many fallout youtubers, all i’m saying is the guy does a hell of a job on these videos and you just sit on your ass trying to shit on him for no reason
I so wish we could meet Enclave in Fallout 4 and say something like "Son, I fought for your country long before your great great great grandfather learned to shoot" or something to it's branch's leader
That would be incredible. Honestly, if the Enclave knew about the Sole Survivor, they'd probably thaw him out before the events of 4 even happened. A genuine war hero from the real America? That's the kind of guy I roll the red carpet out for in their power-armored shoes.
Well in the far harbor dlc there Is a cult member from the Child of Atom that talks about his past being in the Enclave and how he fought the Brotherhood of Steel
@@benjaminoechsli1941 would be funny to be a "bad guy" in the eyes of wastelanders, but being a proper soldier to your country in the eyes of Enclave and Sole Survivor (Nate)
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Now that's a proper RPG. Heck, you could even have the Enclave be led by someone like Colonel Autumn who believes in a nobler version of the Enclave, if Bethesda wants to avoid the protag being downright evil.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 nah, the whole point of Fallout 1, even earlier drafts of it: "there's no good guys and bad guys, only people trying to survive and rebuild society" Fallout 2 kind of ruined it with "hur dur Enclave are evil because they are"
Weird thing is...Vault Tec is a subsidiary of West-Tek a military contractor that is directly owned by the enclave. I think the enclave is trying to take the vaults to create a secret new US underground and it possibly already exists in parts by the time we get to the story of fallout 3. Which might explain why there are even less remnants than you would expect to see.
No....Most of the Vaults were Science Experiments set up by the Enclave to measure human reactions or physical changes due to something or other. So to the Enclave such Vaults were not pure Humans anymore.
Wouldn't people living in a vault away from radiation be the most pure people in the wasteland? They're like the closest thing to original American citizens. If the enclave were actually what they claimed to be they would protect vault dwellers. But I think by killing them the Enclave sets themselves up for the badguy role.
President Richardson (from Fallout 2) created his own ideology which brands anyone not Enclave personnel mutants. If you had played Fallout 2 you would have known this.
Second time every time it’s the leaders who wanted that not the everyday troops and some generals look at autumn when he found out eden wanted to use the FEV he took control of the troops
you don't have to be born into the enclave. you can literally walk right up to Navarro and join. in fact in the two cutscenes where Frank Horigan kills someone, he gives them the option to join first. they even tried to recruit the brotherhood of steel.
- Nope, you can't join. They may believe you're a recent transfer... if they don't, best case scenario they drive you out, worst case scenario they shoot you down. - There are no information about the family in the first cutscenes. The game gives no details as to what might be happening. Nohting indicates that they are part of the Enclave. And if they were at some point, then they'd be deserters, not recruits from the Wasteland. - Horrigan never suggests to the Brotherhood of Steel dude that he might join. The cutscene is pretty clear. Horrigan came to unalive him. Nothing more, nothing less.
The thing I noticed on my last playthrough is that the water is more irradiated at raven rock HQ than at some random bathrooms in the wasteland, so either they don't have equipment to monitor the radioactivity of the water or they are a bunch of hypocrites.
Haven't they always been hypocritical? Some vids say that theyr best soldier was a home made super mutant whos convinced he's still human and has psychotic break downs whenever you point out otherwise. (I'm still pretty new to this series)
@@ElishaFollet yea but Edens plan for the wasteland involved the modified fev, claiming it wouldn't harm anyone who was "fully human" or non mutant. But because of the slight radiation in the water supply they themselves wouldn't be able to drink the water if the lone wanderer chooses to install the virus. They have always been hypocritical this just adds to that theory.
That’s the whole concept of fitting the story to the character instead of the other way around, I believe we have a term for it, something like “lazy writing”.
@jonathanwells223 No, lazy writing would be random guys killing for no reason. Enclave are directly based on both 90's Republicans and the Nazis, they are Supreme elitists, they are militaristic. That's not lazy, thays politics.
I believe thats not quite true. I read somewhere that the Intro is actually not canon (they made it simply because it looked cool) and/or they captured remaining citizen in the vault. Also vaulttec ties to the enclave so technically the vaults are the enclave at some point imo
I think I once read that the reason the intro enclave in 2 murdered those vault dwellers was because they had misinterpreted orders though I don’t have a source for that so don’t take my words without a unusually large grain of salt
It’s crazy how people will argue on whether or not the Enclave is truly evil, I think it’s like the BoS and are only as evil as that part of the faction. The Fallout 3 Enclave are the Same Enclave from Fallout 2 which is why they still kill everyone on sight. I don’t think it would be possible to join them even if you lived in a vault from birth. Bethesda didn’t have to do anything to the faction to make them appear evil, they did that themselves. Since the west coast ideals don’t immediately sound like mass genocide it definitely is, since everyone on the wasteland becomes tainted by radiation sooner or later.
Yeah seriously. The enclave really aren’t any better in fallout 2 than they are in 3. To be honest, if HALF of the stuff in fallout 2 was in Bethesda game they’d riot
It never made any sense to me why the Enclave went around slaughtering vault dwellers when they would be the perfect candidates to help bolster the Enclave's ranks. You have hundreds- if not thousands, of citizens that wouldn't have been effected by radiation or FEV in a secure location all of which would have been in a predisposition to be loyal to the United States even if they had no idea what the United States was. The vaults would give the Enclave: -hundreds of healthy men and women to conscript into their military (even if they're just collecting from the control vaults). -A large pool of engineers, mechanics, trades personnel ect ect to draw from in order to maintain verta-birds, the oil rig, and any outpost or facility under Enclave control. -Hundreds of outposts across the country to lay footholds and reclaim the continental United States. -Countless amounts of resources in terms of salvaged electronics, GECKs, materials, and if the vault had connections with wasteland towns/villages/ect they would be able to see trade routs, learn about the best way to combat hostile tribes, where the best salvage locations are, and so much more. Like, I get that the Enclave see anyone who isn't them as "un-pure" but I mean come on, to be that fucking stupid and slaughter what could be your greatest assets is just maddening. The only reason I can think of for the Enclave to be destroying vaults and slaughtering the residents (other than the Enclave being run by complete idiots as the Fallout franchise has pretty much confirmed at this point) is that the Enclave had a vendetta against Vault Tech. Maybe Vault Tech betrayed them in some way and that was the reason why the Enclave was so hostile to vault residents or Vault Tech made it clear to them that the residents weren't human just test subjects and thus the Enclave just decided to erase Vault Tech's "experiment" using the excuse that any people in the vaults were just experiments- property and weren't necessary (Much like how the 3/5 compromise labeled African American slaves as "not really a person" and how that meant anyone of colored orgins was not considered a citizen of the United States until the 14th Amendment was passed).
We don't know the fate of most vaults, but I have to say roughly 40-60% of vaults experienced a catastrophic failure because of one reason or another with half if them losing their entire population very quickly. The A.I.s of two places were deteriorating or insane, and there have been at least 2 leaders that are true psychopaths.
@@SpookLord03 but I mean even then. A experiment vault is still a vault and can be easily re-engineering by the enclave. Besides 100 hundred people thrown in to diversify the gene pool should be nice
spoilers for the fallout show: with what we know about vault tec pulling the strings pre-war. the enclave hating vault dwellers might also be a way to stop what happened to shady sans from happening to them
You know I always wondered what happened to Amata, like I beat the game and tried to do everything and never ever found her, and this clip shows me her fate... Our souls can finally rest, Amata. R.I.P old friend.
Weren’t the enclave the ones monitoring the vault tec experiments? Maybe they didn’t want their subjects to have free roam of the wasteland, or maybe they saw vault dwellers as potential threats. Both times the enclave got blown up it was the doing of vault dwellers. Even the ncr who cleaned things up after fallout 2 were descended from vault dwellers
They saw them as cattle, their goalnwas to see what would happen, or in the case of control vaults, serve as bases with people hopefully making settlement outside too.
That's just inaccurate, in Fallout 2 it's explained that they know where every vault is and they occasionally force them open and evacuate the residents. The vault residents the intro cinematic were just really unlucky, because they were not the resource the enclave was after and served no use to them.
@@MackBanjo23 waterchips, air filtration systems, the vaults are full of valuable goodies. It was simply easier to kill them all and grab the loot than evacuate them. It gets colder the more you think about it.
I don’t know why you say that. He still 1) went along with Eden’s plan and 2) wanted to set up Enclave supremacy in DC. Keep in mind that Enclave supremacy means that they alone would be considered citizens. Any wastelander, be they mutant or human, would just be slaves to them.
I seen one of these dudes running down a path in fallout 3. Bro was just running, didn't have a weapon etc. Never saw it again, when I followed them I got to that VR base mission thing
As fallouts tv show came out, i bought the discounted season pass, i visited this factory the other day after meeting erikson at the plane crash and concluded that the one who wrote the terminals about grum and the group of mutants was erikson! I knew it! When you meet him he even comments on how the fog made him less violent!
what I think in Fallout 2 is that before the shooting , there is a part not shown, probably the Overseer refusing to send Dwellers to the Enclave and the Enclave just killed them because of that (just like those farners)
I like that some people we just cant change. I mean we are a weird 19 year old who is gifted with the art of killing. Besides being a Assassin, do we REALLY know enough about the wasteland to actually have a valid point to bring up that can potentially change peoples minds?
That's why i like the Minutemen,the cause, the style, the "ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP, I'LL MARK IT ON YOUR MAP", The radio freedom, cool but i specifically like the scene they shoot down the Prydwen, Minutemen vs Enclave has gotta happen one day...
Fallout 2's intro is by far the best short intro I have seen for any game. Anyone got suggestions of similar? No such thing as better though and will be impossible to convince me of such.
So far my favorite intro is Saints Row The Third, where you rob a bank, jump out of plane in a tank, shoot at mob while freefalling and than getting Drone Targeting rockets. If you really mean intro movie, than its Assassins Creed Revelations, with Ezio at Masyaf.
The writers see them as nothing more than "the big evil bad guys", they're not meant to be a legit faction of the setting, just a simplistic "evil" for the player to fight against. Personally I think they could be more, but its just not how the writers use em.
On the last note. The enclave cared little for those wastelanders' safety considering them "expendable mutants" meaning the second they outlived their usefulness the enclave would execute them
Vault were made to get info about what would happen with other experiences, control ones seem to be for having the dwellers make hospitipal environments.
I really wish they would retcon that bit of lore. It makes no sense for the mutant-hating Enclave to eliminate the only other groups of pure human remnants. The Vaults could very easily have been the foundations for an Enclave rebuilding of America, instead Bethesda needed "scary bad guy faction" and made them kill innocents for no reason.
Bro the enclave is in charge of the experiments and kidnaps vault dwellers in 2 to experiment on them till they die, they kill innocents all the time because that's their character
This is why i simply can't take the world of fallout as anything other than a unknowing self parody. The enclave are just too evil to be taken seriously as bad guys. No realistic goal just genocide for genocide sake. That's not how you make a good villain faction.
So they are like Imperial Japan or Middle Kingdom China viewing those not of their faction as a sort of subspecies that’s only there to work or be killed. That makes a lot more sense than just blaming it on bad writing.
I want join the Enclave in a game because the devs made them super evil for no reason. it doesn't even make sense why the Enclave would kill vault dwellers.
@@MackBanjo23 yes it is, "I want to join the enclave because the devs made them super evil for no reason." So are you joining them because you like that they are evil or what?
@@SourChicken1856 why tho? All the Enclave asks is for people free of radiation. And they have a critical shortage of that, so why kill the descends of American citizens
I mean the people who made the game originally had the same idea. They are a evil group of people in every definitive way number one they murder number two they kidnap number three they are imperialist fascist. The only lazy riding here is Bethesda constantly reusing them and the brotherhood of steel.
Honestly, we can just admit that it's bad writing. Sure, they hate mutants and see anyone not born into the Enclave as mutants, but realistically, they would see unmutated vault dwellers and go, "these are pure humans with no mutations. We should make them join the Enclave so we can have even more pure members." Instead, the writers decided to go, "nah, fuck doing anything that makes sense. We need a faction that's evil for the sake of being evil, even if it doesn't make any sense with the lore we made for them," and Bethesda continued it and even made it worse from there. But make sure you don't admit that the Black Isle games had bad writing around the Fallout 2 fans. They'll find where you live if you dare to insinuate that their precious Mark O'Green could do something so fucking stupid it ruins the lore in Fallout 2 and all future games because of it
"Omg I hate Bethesda so much for ruining the Enclave and making them one-dimensional villians and cookie cutter bad guys! Obsidian and Interpley made them so intriguing snd complex f*ck Bethesda! 🤬🤬🤬" I'm tired of factions like the Enclave and the Legion having their potential squandered as cookie cutter bad guys while the NCR and Brotherhood are portrayed as do-no-wrong cookie cutter good guys. The next fallout game needs to take notes on giving more sides to their factions than just "good vs evil". So muxh potential wasted.
@@henryofskalitz4879 NCR is repeatedly shown to have simiar issues to the pre war us, namely beucratic inefficiencies, cultural insensitivity when it comes to dealing with certain peoples, policitcs being heavily intertwined with money and as well as fighting wars of expansion that dont really go anywhere.
Although Bethesda and their soyjack fanboys believe both said factions were "Good guys", each had their moments such as the brotherhood goal of establishing themselves as good guys by killing and scourging the waste for a simple laser rifle. Aswell as the NCR becoming a corrupt government, constantly being swayed by the pockets of big time Brahmin barons and will have little to no outside faction that is not under their banner still breathing such as Khans, legion, house etc.
because the writers want the enclave to be "bad guys" despite the fact that they are the most morally righteous faction so they make them cartoonishly evil in ways that contradict their warrior spirit
Fallout 2 is messy. Personally, I wish they didnt show the original vault dwellers. The scene makes more sense if you leave it vague, and then PC later finds the Deathclaws in the Vault, and the cutscene replays.
That makes absolutely no sense. The Enclave only considers surface dwellers non-humans based on their DNA. Killing Vault dwellers was never elaborated on and contradictory with canon events.
They shot two of the people in the fallout 2 intro who attempted to resist being brought to the oil rig. Amata was probably seen as irradiated due to time outside the vault.
They captured them to experiment on them which I believe one of the experiment subjects from that group or another group ends up destroying their little platform in the sea.
Never understood this, no rad mutations u think they would set up small settlements in this vaults and upgrade them, move ppl around a lil, ppl especially hood none mutated ppl are hard to find and vualt dwellers would help with the small gene pool problem they have or are about to have, lazy wrighting tbh
Every vault had experiments knowing the enclave they probably know about most of the experiments and what do you do with experiments that are no longer useful you destroy them
Could also be that they know that vault tec was the one that started the war and consider anyone from a vault part of vault tec and thus the enemy though.
Honestly the vault dwellers would be the second closest thing to an American citizen (besides the enclave themselves) so I never understood why they would do this
simple, nearly 95% of vault dwellers were experimental mice chosen by the same Government and corporation that later on became the enclave to be experimented upon in their vaults.
so to them they are just mice that survived the experiments, nothing more.
right. Wouldn't the vault dwellers be the closest to an Amerixan citizen tho? Considering new Enclave members have been born into an iraddiated world
They don’t kill the vault dwellers in Fallout 2. They abduct them specifically because they are “pure” citizens.
Becouse Enclave is written as generic bad evil factions, which means unlogical things happen
@@Gbag34 ah, abduction via teleportation bullets, i see
The devs stated the opening to fallout 2 isn’t really cannon because they captured all the residents and just wanted to put the cutscene in because it goes so hard
It's still canon lol
@@JediMasterYoda66 it can't be Canon if it goes directly against what is shown ingame
I just imagined the dude who opened fire as having a bad day
@@JediMasterYoda66 Dont think you actually know what canon means?
@@Rymeths it dosent tho the vault dwellers in vault 13 talk about it in fallout 2 and Then the enclave returns later and kidnaped them
The enclave actually kidnaps the vault dwellers in fallout 2, they only fire at them in the intro because the devs thought it looked cool.
That and it sends a message immediately "comply or be terminated"
And they were right, it tooks cool as Hell.
and the rule of cool pulls through once again
@@DukemNukem the fact Duke Nukem said it makes it funnier
Sets the atmosphere up too. Sort of like:
See these guys? They're brutal as fuck.
The Enclave in Fallout 3 were not trying to commit mass murder. They didn't know about President Eden's plan to poison the water. Not even Colonel Autumn knew about it. They were just trying to seize control of the purifier and use it to further their control of the wasteland.
You read my mind bro, not too sure this guy really knows what he is talking about.
@Another day "redpilled" enclave fan moment
@Another day people like you are why there isn’t many fallout youtubers, all i’m saying is the guy does a hell of a job on these videos and you just sit on your ass trying to shit on him for no reason
@Another day I mean, he was mainly talking about Fallout 2
@Another day pipe down with the conspiracy my dude
And then Amata immediately yells at you for saving her
Wemon
Women☕️
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@@juliobarrios2520 😭😭😭😭
Yeah I could not stand her lol
literally everyone: why do you hate us so much?
Enclave: it’s tradition
I so wish we could meet Enclave in Fallout 4 and say something like "Son, I fought for your country long before your great great great grandfather learned to shoot" or something to it's branch's leader
That would be incredible. Honestly, if the Enclave knew about the Sole Survivor, they'd probably thaw him out before the events of 4 even happened.
A genuine war hero from the real America? That's the kind of guy I roll the red carpet out for in their power-armored shoes.
Well in the far harbor dlc there Is a cult member from the Child of Atom that talks about his past being in the Enclave and how he fought the Brotherhood of Steel
@@benjaminoechsli1941 would be funny to be a "bad guy" in the eyes of wastelanders, but being a proper soldier to your country in the eyes of Enclave and Sole Survivor (Nate)
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Now that's a proper RPG. Heck, you could even have the Enclave be led by someone like Colonel Autumn who believes in a nobler version of the Enclave, if Bethesda wants to avoid the protag being downright evil.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 nah, the whole point of Fallout 1, even earlier drafts of it: "there's no good guys and bad guys, only people trying to survive and rebuild society"
Fallout 2 kind of ruined it with "hur dur Enclave are evil because they are"
Weird thing is...Vault Tec is a subsidiary of West-Tek a military contractor that is directly owned by the enclave. I think the enclave is trying to take the vaults to create a secret new US underground and it possibly already exists in parts by the time we get to the story of fallout 3. Which might explain why there are even less remnants than you would expect to see.
No....Most of the Vaults were Science Experiments set up by the Enclave to measure human reactions or physical changes due to something or other. So to the Enclave such Vaults were not pure Humans anymore.
@@TenmaStupidity Stupidity isnt just in you name its your game. If you could read you would have known that supports exactly what I fucking said.
@@TenmaStupidity most
@keylaneproductions1977 the non-experiments were made to make way for the Enclave later.
Vault Tec is not a subsidiary of West Tek, where did you get that?
Dwellers : Wait... This whole operation was your idea
‘He’s got a hand, open fire!’
Enclave soldiers are direct descendants of the ATF confirmed
I have never seen that random encounter with Amata despite hundreds of hours in F3! I didn't even know it existed!
Apparently, it only happens if you wipe out Vault 101.
Only happens if you destroy the reactor, otherwise they are dead, or you meet another person in the wastes who gives you water.
Wouldn't people living in a vault away from radiation be the most pure people in the wasteland? They're like the closest thing to original American citizens. If the enclave were actually what they claimed to be they would protect vault dwellers. But I think by killing them the Enclave sets themselves up for the badguy role.
The vault 111 survivor is the only true American citizen left
@@lehchok6309 all those ghouls that were also Americans?
President Richardson (from Fallout 2) created his own ideology which brands anyone not Enclave personnel mutants. If you had played Fallout 2 you would have known this.
@@thelegalmexican9860 the enclave sees Goulhs as freaks and not Americans also I was talking about un irradiated and from that time
At this point the Institute are more Enclave than the actual Enclave
Second time every time it’s the leaders who wanted that not the everyday troops and some generals look at autumn when he found out eden wanted to use the FEV he took control of the troops
you don't have to be born into the enclave. you can literally walk right up to Navarro and join. in fact in the two cutscenes where Frank Horigan kills someone, he gives them the option to join first. they even tried to recruit the brotherhood of steel.
If u can even get there without getting killed for no reason ahh I hate this game
No they didn't lol
- Nope, you can't join. They may believe you're a recent transfer... if they don't, best case scenario they drive you out, worst case scenario they shoot you down.
- There are no information about the family in the first cutscenes. The game gives no details as to what might be happening. Nohting indicates that they are part of the Enclave. And if they were at some point, then they'd be deserters, not recruits from the Wasteland.
- Horrigan never suggests to the Brotherhood of Steel dude that he might join. The cutscene is pretty clear. Horrigan came to unalive him. Nothing more, nothing less.
1. No, you can't join, they were very clear on that.
2. Horrigan was trying to take a guy who ran away back.
The Enclave who hates Super mutants and outsiders but has a Super mutant as a government guard? stupid
Well, Frank was a homemade mutant, so that must have saved his status as a non-human.
The enclave are hypocrites, that's the point
He has a mental breakdown when you call him a mutant
He believes he's human
The thing I noticed on my last playthrough is that the water is more irradiated at raven rock HQ than at some random bathrooms in the wasteland, so either they don't have equipment to monitor the radioactivity of the water or they are a bunch of hypocrites.
Haven't they always been hypocritical? Some vids say that theyr best soldier was a home made super mutant whos convinced he's still human and has psychotic break downs whenever you point out otherwise. (I'm still pretty new to this series)
@@ElishaFollet yea but Edens plan for the wasteland involved the modified fev, claiming it wouldn't harm anyone who was "fully human" or non mutant. But because of the slight radiation in the water supply they themselves wouldn't be able to drink the water if the lone wanderer chooses to install the virus. They have always been hypocritical this just adds to that theory.
The enclave has to be the evil guy so they have to do bad shit by default.
That’s the whole concept of fitting the story to the character instead of the other way around, I believe we have a term for it, something like “lazy writing”.
@jonathanwells223 No, lazy writing would be random guys killing for no reason.
Enclave are directly based on both 90's Republicans and the Nazis, they are Supreme elitists, they are militaristic.
That's not lazy, thays politics.
I don’t want to set the world on fire I just want to start a flame in your heart
In my heart I have but one desire, and that one is you no other will do
@@The_LemonGrass I've lost all ambition...
@@domonchief for worldly acclaim
@@shadowcween7890 I just want to be the one you love
@@Sandwich64 And with your admission
literally everyone: why do you hate us so much?
Enclave: why is this creature talking to me?
Fallout 76 vault dweller, a raider and Samuel: 🌚
God bless the Enclave?
Yes
@Furfox God smiles on those who primarily wear power armor
@Furfox of what?
@Furfox When?
Yes
I believe thats not quite true.
I read somewhere that the Intro is actually not canon (they made it simply because it looked cool) and/or they captured remaining citizen in the vault.
Also vaulttec ties to the enclave so technically the vaults are the enclave at some point imo
I think I once read that the reason the intro enclave in 2 murdered those vault dwellers was because they had misinterpreted orders though I don’t have a source for that so don’t take my words without a unusually large grain of salt
Bitter springs the prequel :D
Orders: Take them alive
Interpretation: Kill them all. Leave no survivors, even women and children.
Apparently the devs had that in the cutscene and thought it went hard. In reality they captured the people.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 “this murder of non-combatants goes hard, feel free to screenshot”
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta screenshot it my man? Its already in a portrait hanging above my bed
It’s crazy how people will argue on whether or not the Enclave is truly evil, I think it’s like the BoS and are only as evil as that part of the faction. The Fallout 3 Enclave are the Same Enclave from Fallout 2 which is why they still kill everyone on sight. I don’t think it would be possible to join them even if you lived in a vault from birth. Bethesda didn’t have to do anything to the faction to make them appear evil, they did that themselves. Since the west coast ideals don’t immediately sound like mass genocide it definitely is, since everyone on the wasteland becomes tainted by radiation sooner or later.
If Bethesda made that intro for Fallout 2, the fans would crucify them.
If it was made by obsidian, then fans would hype it up like if it was the second resurrection of Christ
@@Oudobsecond coming, you mean? Because then we would have to wait for a third season
@@One9999-rf6rq No, I think he's talking about the third coming, which would be the second resurrection.
Oh wait, I see what you did there, lol. Nevermind
Yeah seriously. The enclave really aren’t any better in fallout 2 than they are in 3. To be honest, if HALF of the stuff in fallout 2 was in Bethesda game they’d riot
Given the TV show’s revelations, maybe the Enclave had a bone to pick with Vault-Tec.
Enclave basically project this statement with every slaughter
"Skulls for the skull throne. Blood for the blood god"
This was just one Enclave soldier's inner thought. A Home Lander moment before it existed you could say.
It never made any sense to me why the Enclave went around slaughtering vault dwellers when they would be the perfect candidates to help bolster the Enclave's ranks.
You have hundreds- if not thousands, of citizens that wouldn't have been effected by radiation or FEV in a secure location all of which would have been in a predisposition to be loyal to the United States even if they had no idea what the United States was. The vaults would give the Enclave:
-hundreds of healthy men and women to conscript into their military (even if they're just collecting from the control vaults).
-A large pool of engineers, mechanics, trades personnel ect ect to draw from in order to maintain verta-birds, the oil rig, and any outpost or facility under Enclave control.
-Hundreds of outposts across the country to lay footholds and reclaim the continental United States.
-Countless amounts of resources in terms of salvaged electronics, GECKs, materials, and if the vault had connections with wasteland towns/villages/ect they would be able to see trade routs, learn about the best way to combat hostile tribes, where the best salvage locations are, and so much more.
Like, I get that the Enclave see anyone who isn't them as "un-pure" but I mean come on, to be that fucking stupid and slaughter what could be your greatest assets is just maddening. The only reason I can think of for the Enclave to be destroying vaults and slaughtering the residents (other than the Enclave being run by complete idiots as the Fallout franchise has pretty much confirmed at this point) is that the Enclave had a vendetta against Vault Tech. Maybe Vault Tech betrayed them in some way and that was the reason why the Enclave was so hostile to vault residents or Vault Tech made it clear to them that the residents weren't human just test subjects and thus the Enclave just decided to erase Vault Tech's "experiment" using the excuse that any people in the vaults were just experiments- property and weren't necessary (Much like how the 3/5 compromise labeled African American slaves as "not really a person" and how that meant anyone of colored orgins was not considered a citizen of the United States until the 14th Amendment was passed).
Just wrote a whole damn essay
@@Arkim7886 I had a lot to say on the topic to defend why I feel the way I do about it.
We don't know the fate of most vaults, but I have to say roughly 40-60% of vaults experienced a catastrophic failure because of one reason or another with half if them losing their entire population very quickly.
The A.I.s of two places were deteriorating or insane, and there have been at least 2 leaders that are true psychopaths.
@@SpookLord03 but I mean even then. A experiment vault is still a vault and can be easily re-engineering by the enclave. Besides 100 hundred people thrown in to diversify the gene pool should be nice
Because the enclave can never be written any differently than just, evil bad guys with no depth
spoilers for the fallout show:
with what we know about vault tec pulling the strings pre-war. the enclave hating vault dwellers might also be a way to stop what happened to shady sans from happening to them
You know I always wondered what happened to Amata, like I beat the game and tried to do everything and never ever found her, and this clip shows me her fate... Our souls can finally rest, Amata. R.I.P old friend.
Never understood why they did this. Wouldn't vault dwellers be perfect American Citizens
Weren’t the enclave the ones monitoring the vault tec experiments? Maybe they didn’t want their subjects to have free roam of the wasteland, or maybe they saw vault dwellers as potential threats. Both times the enclave got blown up it was the doing of vault dwellers. Even the ncr who cleaned things up after fallout 2 were descended from vault dwellers
They saw them as cattle, their goalnwas to see what would happen, or in the case of control vaults, serve as bases with people hopefully making settlement outside too.
"They detest anyone who isn't a part of the Enclave"
How would you *join* the Enclave if they light up everyone they meet?
You don't.
Simple, You Can’t.
That's just inaccurate, in Fallout 2 it's explained that they know where every vault is and they occasionally force them open and evacuate the residents.
The vault residents the intro cinematic were just really unlucky, because they were not the resource the enclave was after and served no use to them.
Sure, but what's the point of killing them?
@@MackBanjo23 waterchips, air filtration systems, the vaults are full of valuable goodies. It was simply easier to kill them all and grab the loot than evacuate them. It gets colder the more you think about it.
Enclave: Fuck mutants!
Frank Horrigan: (a literal intelligent behemoth of a mutant) **exist**
Enclave: Except that guy, he's chill!
The Enclave without Eden in fallout 3 would have been the best for the wasteland. I really wish the devs would allow you to side with autumn.
I don’t know why you say that. He still 1) went along with Eden’s plan and 2) wanted to set up Enclave supremacy in DC.
Keep in mind that Enclave supremacy means that they alone would be considered citizens. Any wastelander, be they mutant or human, would just be slaves to them.
Bro they were trying to ENSLAVE the wasters for water.
I seen one of these dudes running down a path in fallout 3. Bro was just running, didn't have a weapon etc. Never saw it again, when I followed them I got to that VR base mission thing
They are mutants we don't spare anyone
As fallouts tv show came out, i bought the discounted season pass, i visited this factory the other day after meeting erikson at the plane crash and concluded that the one who wrote the terminals about grum and the group of mutants was erikson! I knew it! When you meet him he even comments on how the fog made him less violent!
Legit thought that thumbnail was the Omnitrix
what I think in Fallout 2 is that before the shooting , there is a part not shown, probably the Overseer refusing to send Dwellers to the Enclave and the Enclave just killed them because of that (just like those farners)
Ironic there's so much water around control station enclave yet their gene pool is so shallow
And the mojave chapter of the brotherhood has the same shallow gene pool.... until the courier blew up their bunker
@@Relek448 possibly
haha good one
@@Relek448that isn’t canon. Bud
@@HarpVv the entirety of new vegas isn't canon in bethesda's eyes
New insights from the show: the Enclave wasn't at the table during the Vault-Tec meeting. Maybe they knew about the plan and are extra salty
I wish your character could help change the enclave ideals so they aren't total genocide, and could work making into an actual government
"I wish you could pass a speech check with the Heinrich Himmler so he stop his evil bad actions"
I like that some people we just cant change. I mean we are a weird 19 year old who is gifted with the art of killing. Besides being a Assassin, do we REALLY know enough about the wasteland to actually have a valid point to bring up that can potentially change peoples minds?
Statist
@@meatycitadel Himmler is the most pure mindset of wanting to do a bit of trolling frfr glad hes in racist heaven
@@meatycitadel you wouldn’t? Bruh
That's why i like the Minutemen,the cause, the style, the "ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP, I'LL MARK IT ON YOUR MAP", The radio freedom, cool but i specifically like the scene they shoot down the Prydwen, Minutemen vs Enclave has gotta happen one day...
Fallout 2's intro is by far the best short intro I have seen for any game.
Anyone got suggestions of similar? No such thing as better though and will be impossible to convince me of such.
Left 4 Dead?
@@Hewasnumber1 I guess also umm I think it was called dead island is pretty good. The intro that is.
So far my favorite intro is Saints Row The Third, where you rob a bank, jump out of plane in a tank, shoot at mob while freefalling and than getting Drone Targeting rockets.
If you really mean intro movie, than its Assassins Creed Revelations, with Ezio at Masyaf.
The writers see them as nothing more than "the big evil bad guys", they're not meant to be a legit faction of the setting, just a simplistic "evil" for the player to fight against. Personally I think they could be more, but its just not how the writers use em.
When the supermutants are more tolerant than post apocalyptic WASPs...
On the last note. The enclave cared little for those wastelanders' safety considering them "expendable mutants" meaning the second they outlived their usefulness the enclave would execute them
And this is why the Enclave is the best hope for the Wastelands.
A good disease is a dead one.
Doesn’t the enclave release FEV in the air and kill the whole world
I agree soldier
@Egg-ce2si who the hell brought the Pyro here
Maybe it’s because vault tec dropped the bomb?
Don’t care didn’t ask, Enclave supremacy.
Vault were made to get info about what would happen with other experiences, control ones seem to be for having the dwellers make hospitipal environments.
I really wish they would retcon that bit of lore. It makes no sense for the mutant-hating Enclave to eliminate the only other groups of pure human remnants. The Vaults could very easily have been the foundations for an Enclave rebuilding of America, instead Bethesda needed "scary bad guy faction" and made them kill innocents for no reason.
Bro the enclave is in charge of the experiments and kidnaps vault dwellers in 2 to experiment on them till they die, they kill innocents all the time because that's their character
This is why i simply can't take the world of fallout as anything other than a unknowing self parody. The enclave are just too evil to be taken seriously as bad guys. No realistic goal just genocide for genocide sake. That's not how you make a good villain faction.
So Hitler version on fallout lore.
They dont kill jews so they arent nazis
@@aimp227 🤦
So they are like Imperial Japan or Middle Kingdom China viewing those not of their faction as a sort of subspecies that’s only there to work or be killed. That makes a lot more sense than just blaming it on bad writing.
Enclave: *wants to kill anything that isn't them*
Some fans: "I wanna join the Enclave, they seem alright."
I want join the Enclave in a game because the devs made them super evil for no reason. it doesn't even make sense why the Enclave would kill vault dwellers.
@@MackBanjo23 that's a weird reason to join.
@@jacobsantana915 not really but okay
@@MackBanjo23 yes it is, "I want to join the enclave because the devs made them super evil for no reason." So are you joining them because you like that they are evil or what?
@@jacobsantana915 No I just wish they weren't such a stupidly evil faction and that they were actually joinable.
I honestly think that the enclave is rhe most useless government force in the wasteland
They aren’t mutants tho and should be considered American people
Nah
You see that's the point they are hypocrites
@@SourChicken1856 why tho?
All the Enclave asks is for people free of radiation. And they have a critical shortage of that, so why kill the descends of American citizens
The enclave us the best faction and the only hope for America
Lazy ass writing tbh. "Ohhhh the enclave are the big bad"
I mean the people who made the game originally had the same idea.
They are a evil group of people in every definitive way number one they murder number two they kidnap number three they are imperialist fascist. The only lazy riding here is Bethesda constantly reusing them and the brotherhood of steel.
The classic stormtrooper and empire trick.
All just repainted oversimplifications of Nazis.
Honestly, we can just admit that it's bad writing. Sure, they hate mutants and see anyone not born into the Enclave as mutants, but realistically, they would see unmutated vault dwellers and go, "these are pure humans with no mutations. We should make them join the Enclave so we can have even more pure members."
Instead, the writers decided to go, "nah, fuck doing anything that makes sense. We need a faction that's evil for the sake of being evil, even if it doesn't make any sense with the lore we made for them," and Bethesda continued it and even made it worse from there.
But make sure you don't admit that the Black Isle games had bad writing around the Fallout 2 fans. They'll find where you live if you dare to insinuate that their precious Mark O'Green could do something so fucking stupid it ruins the lore in Fallout 2 and all future games because of it
"Omg I hate Bethesda so much for ruining the Enclave and making them one-dimensional villians and cookie cutter bad guys! Obsidian and Interpley made them so intriguing snd complex f*ck Bethesda! 🤬🤬🤬"
I'm tired of factions like the Enclave and the Legion having their potential squandered as cookie cutter bad guys while the NCR and Brotherhood are portrayed as do-no-wrong cookie cutter good guys. The next fallout game needs to take notes on giving more sides to their factions than just "good vs evil". So muxh potential wasted.
^^^ what this guy said
NCR and the brotherhood weren’t 100% shown as the good guys
@@soledadofastora4061 the brotherhood no but the NCR? Yeah man they're all portrayed as fuckin martyrs or something
@@henryofskalitz4879 NCR is repeatedly shown to have simiar issues to the pre war us, namely beucratic inefficiencies, cultural insensitivity when it comes to dealing with certain peoples, policitcs being heavily intertwined with money and as well as fighting wars of expansion that dont really go anywhere.
Although Bethesda and their soyjack fanboys believe both said factions were "Good guys", each had their moments such as the brotherhood goal of establishing themselves as good guys by killing and scourging the waste for a simple laser rifle. Aswell as the NCR becoming a corrupt government, constantly being swayed by the pockets of big time Brahmin barons and will have little to no outside faction that is not under their banner still breathing such as Khans, legion, house etc.
Rip Arcade Gannon my man was born into enclave but hates them
because the writers want the enclave to be "bad guys" despite the fact that they are the most morally righteous faction so they make them cartoonishly evil in ways that contradict their warrior spirit
What do you mean, morally righteous? They’re apocalypse Nazis. They are cartoonishly evil because that is what Nazis are.
Almost done with my first fallout 1 play through. Excited to start two
The Enclave helmets look so goofy close up 😂
Eugenics is crazy
because todd howard needs a villian
They detest mutants yet they made a super mutant named Frank horrigan. I hate the enclave with a passion, just like super mutants
And this is why you always kill the Enclave and take their loot
Yeah but the weird part of it is that the enclave(and the old gov in general) were the main backing for the vaults pre-war
First person I sent mention this and why don't they already had locations of the vault? Or just recon vault TEC HQ?
The show does this ideology really well
I actually didn’t know about the enclave killing vault dwellers, this is interesting. Thanks for posting man! God bless you :)
Fallout 2 is messy. Personally, I wish they didnt show the original vault dwellers.
The scene makes more sense if you leave it vague, and then PC later finds the Deathclaws in the Vault, and the cutscene replays.
That makes absolutely no sense. The Enclave only considers surface dwellers non-humans based on their DNA. Killing Vault dwellers was never elaborated on and contradictory with canon events.
Speaking of a certain vault dweller. General, another settlement needs your help!!!
Again? I just finished helping the previous settlement!
DAMN YOU PRESTON LET ME GO OF THIS HELL
Only thing cool about the enclave is how they look. I’m not hearing sympathizers.
They shot two of the people in the fallout 2 intro who attempted to resist being brought to the oil rig. Amata was probably seen as irradiated due to time outside the vault.
Fierce glitterkitty
Family: hello we come in peac-
*Gets shot 5000 times
They captured them to experiment on them which I believe one of the experiment subjects from that group or another group ends up destroying their little platform in the sea.
It helps a lot with how many vault dwellers were experimented on
I treat the brotherhood and the enclave the same, "in my sights"
Never understood this, no rad mutations u think they would set up small settlements in this vaults and upgrade them, move ppl around a lil, ppl especially hood none mutated ppl are hard to find and vualt dwellers would help with the small gene pool problem they have or are about to have, lazy wrighting tbh
i always figured they just shot the ones in the door as intimidation.
Every vault had experiments knowing the enclave they probably know about most of the experiments and what do you do with experiments that are no longer useful you destroy them
They hate human beings, specially those not wearing their power armor.
...just to ask for their technologies and stuff, but if they dont, the same way.
Curie the animatronic human takes this notes and help with Vault wanderer.
"family waves"
Bullets: "hellooooooooo"
Anyone who isn't a Dalek is an enemy of the Daleks.
I started a FO3 playthrough a few days ago so ill look out for the amata event. Ive never seen it before.
That when I feel at 7 second mark every time I wake up
Me in fallout 4 getting hunted by them every chance they get
Could also be that they know that vault tec was the one that started the war and consider anyone from a vault part of vault tec and thus the enemy though.
Hence the reason Paladin Danse relates to the Sole Survivor that the Brotherhood of Steel wiped them out, in Fallout 4.
I always had a fascination of the enclave.