In this video we discuss with Matt from Live Free Armory their upcoming Apollo 11, double stack 1911, 9mm pistol, debuting at under $1,000! HOW?!?!?! Interview from NRA 2023 event.
It’s perfect as it is. Don’t change a thing! Ok, one thing that you should absolutely do is send a Test and Evaluation sample to the Honest Outlaw and the Humble Marksman for review. If they give it a thumbs up, I’ll be the first one in line!
lol. And what’s my name? Skip? I actually have quite a few 1911 and 2011 and competed with them all the way to USPSA nationals. A couple have easily over 100k rounds each.
@@Quality_Guru hehe. =) Honestly, I am quite shocked at how this video is doing and resonating... for a show video. Will be speaking with Matt and maybe try to get down to Florida to put some rounds through these guns as soon as they are ready.
DON'T DO IT LOL. All other guns will be just so so after you shoot a nice 1911 - 2011. All jokes aside I am old school and love the 1911 - 2011 style guns. When you bring them up they are on point with the target. That's why I greatly dislike Glocks, [to me] they have the worst point to aim gun of any. The front sight seems to be way up and I have to over break my wrist to get it on target. Then again I started out many years ago with 1911 style handguns.
Darnit. I'm going to have to buy another gun... haha! Been wanting to get into 2011s for awhile. Looked at Prodigy and RIA, but the reliability issues turned me away. If these run well, I might finally be able to pull the trigger! It looks like a really solid package for the price.
So good to see the pricepoint coming down, and not being made in China or somewhere of that quality. If Rock Island Armory can build doublestack 1911's for so cheap in the Phillipine's, I knew it could be done. Theirs is a much harder frame to make all 1 piece.
for sure. I think us gun gamers have been preconditioned to have to spend $2k or $3k minimum but in reality, it is another gun and you can certainly make a nice gun at under $1,000. Armscor/RIA actually made quite a few frames and guns for STI, before they were Stacatto. The Trojan and Spartan were actually RIA guns or RIA frames. For a 2011, the two piece frame and grip is actually part of the design and an advantage. they were the first real modular firearm. People can swap out their grips, and if you mess one up, just get a replacement for $50.
Agree, I have 2 RIA doublestacks a 9mm and 10mm both are awesome guns. I want the TCM 22 doublestack as stated they are far and few between. They go quick in gun shops around me if and when they get them in.
I own a Spingfield Prodigy DS and a Rock Island Armory PRO TACH .40 S&W double stack. I am becoming a huge fan of the 1911/2011 platform. I also have a GSG in .22lr and a Tisas Duty in .45. Out of the many firearms I have, 4 are 1911/2011 style and looking to purchase the Platypus in the very near future.
@@______4790 So far so good on the Prodigy. I did the trigger uprade, guide rod upgrage, and got the extended guide release. Now the Prodigy is perfect. Have to say that I am really looking forward to the purchase of the Platypus. It takes Glock mags plus you can get it customized any way you like for less than $2000
Hmm 🤔 I’d never thought about a 2011-style pistol but offer stock with a threaded barrel and I’ll be a buyer. I’ve been putting LFA P320 full size slides on my Flux Raider builds and love em!
Hoovies' Apollo 911 was called that because the car was driven the same distance as The Moon is away from Earth. It was only after that he did the LS Swap when the original engine gave up.
My next gun and first 2011 type. I would like to order a kit or hope you can order it as a kit so I can custom fit it myself and be cheaper. Would like a .45 cal.
Great video, you really asked some good questions that I’ve been having towards the Apollo 11 ! Did you by any chance know if it will be coming with 2 mags or 1 ?
@@SlavGuns I’m with PrometheanHealing and would like to build out my gun and dream. Also I’d like to order it because my LGS is bringing in Prodigy 4.25” and I’d like to compare and contrast.
Very strange that when the interviewer asked if the pistol was rated for 9mm Major, the builder was at a loss. Since the only category this pistol qualifies for is open division in USPSA, there might be a problem. For competition shooters who do 60,000 rounds a year, all of them at +P+ levels, (the required power floor) it’s kind of surprising that a new supposedly small and nimble manufacturer hasn’t done their homework. At the manufacturing level, a little extra material in the right side rail connecting the front locking area to the breech face (thicker, not higher) might do it. Could be balanced by a similar shape on the other side. Or a tougher grade of steel with no changes… They obviously don’t have to cater to the competition market, but there’s no question that gaining a reputation for quality in that game would help the business.
I love how everyone wants to crap on the prodigy out of the gate but, they all say the same thing! I heard that they were unreliable or I seen so and so on TH-cam say they were crap, so I’ll say the same thing!🤦🏽♂️ But, not actually put one in your hands and shoot it for yourself. I’ve had 3 of them now and all 3 ran great! One is getting ported the 4’25 and the 5” I got rid off just to pay for the porting job on one of my 4’25s. But, can’t wait to check this one out and see if it’s something worth keeping. 🤙🏽
Actually I did have my hands on the Prodigy and know of many people who did buy them and sold them due to issues. They will work them out however, I am sure. Thanks for watching.
Make it in .45ACP double stack with minimum 14 rounds and you've got yourself a purchase. I call no 1911 a _true_ 2011 unless it's in .45ACP, the lord's caliber.
The rationale that a double stack 2011-style pistol needs to cost several thousand has no basis in simple economics, but in marketing and legitimate quality control.
need to spent 3-4k? theres also the prodigy at 1,300, theres the staccato C2 CS and P starting at 2k. but yea they are still more expensive but he was wrong on that.
There are a number of companies with decent long term reputations for making entry level double stack 1911s or outright 2011 clones. BUL, Rock Island, Metro Arms, SPS all have double stacks under 1500 and are proven already. This company is fairly new and jumping into this market in 9mm, which means they may not be as robust as some of the true 2011s or the better clones that can run 9mm Major or 40 for USPSA Major. There's a difference between having a clone and having an actual, well built performance pistol. Springfield found out the hard way and they're just importing stuff. Production in the US makes me extremely skeptical about how well built these can actually be at this lower price point.
The Prodigy holds more rounds than a 1911, and that's great - but OTOH it's Springfield replacing the most difficult to machine part of their $800 1911s with a cheap piece of plastic, and almost doubling the price. Why is it so hard to believe that someone could do it for less?
Parts availability. Larger manufacturers are starting to make parts in large enough quantity that prices are coming down. And the 2011 patent has expired to enable more people to do this.
You explained why it's POSSIBLE to do it for less, which wasn't my question. I asked why it's HARD TO BELIEVE they could do it for less, because it's obviously not difficult. 2011s cost more because they offer a capacity advantage, but there is nothing in a 2011 that costs more _to make_ than a 1911.
Have you spent any time with your Platypus yet? Thoughts? That’s definitely on the list for my next piece. The one in this video could be a banger too. (No pun intended)
Make sure to check out my upcoming video on the Vudoo Gunworks 1911 and 2011.... discussing why the other guns cost as much as they do. And then the Cabot Firearms/Alchemy gunworks video.
FYI…I have 3 STI 2011s & 2 STI 1911s (3”) & all of them ran out of the box. Several friends & associates also run STI/ Staccato & I have heard no complaints about reliability. Seems to me that the lady doth protest too much.
LOL. 2011... not 1911. Go on any competition sites and just ask. If it wasn't for STI's crappy QC... companies like TTI, Akai, SVI, Brazos, Dawson, Limcat, Freedom Gunworks, Phoenix Trinity, and countless others would not exist. When STI was bought out and rebranded Stacatto, they did make quite a few improvements in terms of QC over the years, however they also focused on the civilian and LEO market, away from competitors. the STI 1911 were actually quite great values, but then again, the Spartan was made by RIA and the Trojan's frame was made by RIA. The biggest issue with STI 2011s was the magazines. They were pure garbage and you needed to replace the guts to make them run right. You would either polish the tubes on the STI mags and then replace the spring, follower and base plates, or get a tuned mag from Dawson.... alternatively you just buy an SVI magazine and what I did.
@@SlavGuns 3 STI 2011s…all are reliable gems, including the 3 dozen mags. The 1911s are Lawman models. Already knew the history…that’s why I sought them out. Ever heard of a Clark 1911? Simply stated that my experience, as well as the experience of others that I trust, goes against your opinion of STIs reliability.
When STI/Staccato stopped making magazines in the corner of their shop and hired a professional magazine manufacturer (rumored to be Checkmate) is when 90% of the problems were solved.
A lot of mixed comments here. And surprisingly a lot of negative! I just wish these came out 2 or 3 years ago. I’m glad to see innovation in the 2011 direction! Imagine if Girsan made a double stack $400 1911 model that was “decent enough” 5 years ago???? Rock island Armory did it first! Although Staccatos are the real OP. Looking forward to more budget 2011 style options in the future.
@@danielhenderson8316 you can get a plate solid on a 1911 more so than other guns with how much material is on the top of a 1911 slide. I’m not against plates on a gun like this.
Almost perfect. Why cut too many picatinny slots the whole length of the dust cover? No one use the front slots nor the rear slots. Usually the middle slots are used. So why not cut 1 or 2 slots in the middle only? I just don't get it. It's not a rifle where the more slots the better.
I asked that specific question but the most recent trend has been for 2011 as a regular gun, meaning 9mm, rather than how 2011s have generally been used, for USPSA Limited in 40 SW.
@@SlavGuns The design is good for 40S&W caliber though. All metal gun with long barrel giving it more weight to handle recoil. Plus barrel does not tilt during reciprocation. They were first designed for 45acp. No reason it can't handle 40S&W or even 10mm, but 10mm too much and hard to justify in self defense court.
I ALMOST bought a slide from LFA...I didn't because I saw some seriously suspect reviews. I'm very curious if this will even run, but only time will tell.
@@SlavGuns Not to jump in here in an untoward way, but a casual search (attempting to find their website) first brought up their name tied to "out of business" and then found some REALLY bad comments regarding the way they run the company and the experience working there. As with any personal reports of work experience obviously taking it with a grain of salt, but the ratio of good to bad as well as the specific issues discussed are... troubling. I hope it's just bitter ex-employees but regardless it's going to keep a damper on their growth as this video is the first time I've heard of them, and just trying to find their website led me to the other stuff
that would be interesting, however 2011 mags have many many advantages. First, it is the same mags for 9/40,10mm and 45 ACP... just angle on feed lips. This means you can load long. You cannot do that with Glock mags.
Pistols probably 2-300 to make, being sold for 3-5 times its value. To be fair Glocks should cost as much as a Taurus G3. I’m not spending anywhere near 1,000 for a pistol, not when I can buy a rifle for that.
Staccato is $3k.... for $3k it better be a GREAT gun. also keep in mind, Stacatto jacked up the prices since the STI days... You used to be able to get an STI 2011 for under $2k. Granted, now we also have options from RIA, Springfield and a few others. As far as King for the $... honestly, check out the Vudoo gunworks. their new 2011 are really nice and felt better than most STI or Stacattos I have played with. I am not sure if I released a video on them yet or not, but if not, will be out very soon. (of course my king is still my SVI. lol) although my SV is getting a bit old.
the majority of 2011s out there are actually 40 SW for gun games. =) If you want a 10mm or 45 ACP, just reach out to any 2011 maker, super doable. but certainly not at under $2,000.
Oh yeah, RIa made some. =) their Tac Ultra however is really a double stack 1911 and not a true 2011 design. the new ones don't even take 2011 mags which is a no go for many. The fit and finish on these was also far nicer than any RIA I have seen or shot. I will certainly reach out to RIa to get one for comparison when these come out... unfortunately RIa is very stingy and does not really work with a lot of creators.
"Is that like +p? Dont know why you would" very strange to hear a guy building 2011s not know what major and minor power factor is. The 2011 is a competition platform first and foremost.
The 2011 has had a lot of positive points but with a lot of 'if only's attached. If only they were so expensive. If only there wasn't so much expensive after purchase steps required. If only running way over budget wasn't a thing. That said I could easily fall down this rabbit hole. What materials do they use? Will those materials take and hold close tolerances? What magazines do they use and how much will they cost post gun purchase? Are the sights a standard dovetail? Is it a standard trigger or proprietary? Does it mimic any other current guns in terms of holster availability? Steel or alloy frame? Standard grips? Is that a standard pic rail? Is it order direct or sold through a dealer network? Have they sold and shipped any of these yet? What's their rating on 9mm +P and +P+? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm leary of 'hopium'.
More than half of these were answered in the video. =) 2011 mags, standard triggers, standard rail, available through dealers and direct, standard grip, out this summer. =P Will confirm on the others in the near future.
He had that guy at gunpoint for almost the whole interview 😅
The problem with gun shows unfortunately…. If not him then it would be the old NRA guys in front or around. :)
😂😂😂😂😂
I was going to say that
💀💀💀💀
@@SlavGuns there is always the ground
It’s perfect as it is. Don’t change a thing! Ok, one thing that you should absolutely do is send a Test and Evaluation sample to the Honest Outlaw and the Humble Marksman for review. If they give it a thumbs up, I’ll be the first one in line!
lol. And what’s my name? Skip? I actually have quite a few 1911 and 2011 and competed with them all the way to USPSA nationals. A couple have easily over 100k rounds each.
@@SlavGuns It goes without saying that you will be getting a T&E gun as well since you did the outstanding introduction of this pistol.
@@Quality_Guru hehe. =) Honestly, I am quite shocked at how this video is doing and resonating... for a show video. Will be speaking with Matt and maybe try to get down to Florida to put some rounds through these guns as soon as they are ready.
@@PeterAngles-xu7tl they are in Melbourne
Lmao. That's who you live by? Really? Ok.
This one might just wind up being my introduction into the world of '11 style handguns.
It's a really attractive price point for sure. Very low risk for a 2011.
DON'T DO IT LOL. All other guns will be just so so after you shoot a nice 1911 - 2011. All jokes aside I am old school and love the 1911 - 2011 style guns. When you bring them up they are on point with the target. That's why I greatly dislike Glocks, [to me] they have the worst point to aim gun of any. The front sight seems to be way up and I have to over break my wrist to get it on target. Then again I started out many years ago with 1911 style handguns.
There is definitely something about the Single Action 1911/2011. PURRRRFECTION!
So far you’re the only one I’ve seen that covered this gun and I appreciate it.
Really? Cool. Glad You found it. Will have one as soon as they are ready to go out.
@@SlavGuns Me too, I haven't seen any other videos on L F A new line. Thank You, I have already emailed and asked if I can preorder one.
awesome. One of my friends Nick visited them at Shot show so I absolutely needed to make sure I got my hands on them myself.
Great video! You managed to ask every question I would’ve asked and I love how they answered.
A bull barrel will be the game changer for sure !!!
Will certainly pass that on.
Thanks for the review. Hopefully it runs. I've got a couple staccato and a cosaint. My favorite is still staccato p, but there always room for more
I've been wanting a 2011 for a few years now. I'll be watching this one for sure.
Great interview and great guest also. Thanks
glad you liked it.
Wow! I'm excited to see this come to market!
Great interview, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching.
Interviewer!!! breaking cardinal rule of firearms handling. Muzzle pointing carelessly.
I just got mine in and did a video on it. I freaking love it
Thank u people ganno love ur company...I want one
Darnit. I'm going to have to buy another gun... haha! Been wanting to get into 2011s for awhile. Looked at Prodigy and RIA, but the reliability issues turned me away. If these run well, I might finally be able to pull the trigger! It looks like a really solid package for the price.
So good to see the pricepoint coming down, and not being made in China or somewhere of that quality. If Rock Island Armory can build doublestack 1911's for so cheap in the Phillipine's, I knew it could be done. Theirs is a much harder frame to make all 1 piece.
for sure. I think us gun gamers have been preconditioned to have to spend $2k or $3k minimum but in reality, it is another gun and you can certainly make a nice gun at under $1,000. Armscor/RIA actually made quite a few frames and guns for STI, before they were Stacatto. The Trojan and Spartan were actually RIA guns or RIA frames. For a 2011, the two piece frame and grip is actually part of the design and an advantage. they were the first real modular firearm. People can swap out their grips, and if you mess one up, just get a replacement for $50.
@@SlavGuns For sure. The beauty of the "2011" style is the bolt on grip/maghousing/triggergaurd (as far as manufacturing and repairs/upgrades goes)
Agree, I have 2 RIA doublestacks a 9mm and 10mm both are awesome guns. I want the TCM 22 doublestack as stated they are far and few between. They go quick in gun shops around me if and when they get them in.
I own a Spingfield Prodigy DS and a Rock Island Armory PRO TACH .40 S&W double stack. I am becoming a huge fan of the 1911/2011 platform. I also have a GSG in .22lr and a Tisas Duty in .45. Out of the many firearms I have, 4 are 1911/2011 style and looking to purchase the Platypus in the very near future.
which one is your favorite
@@______4790 So far so good on the Prodigy. I did the trigger uprade, guide rod upgrage, and got the extended guide release. Now the Prodigy is perfect. Have to say that I am really looking forward to the purchase of the Platypus. It takes Glock mags plus you can get it customized any way you like for less than $2000
Hmm 🤔 I’d never thought about a 2011-style pistol but offer stock with a threaded barrel and I’ll be a buyer. I’ve been putting LFA P320 full size slides on my Flux Raider builds and love em!
Interesting. Especially if it's reliable. I'll be watching this one for sure.
that will be the key!
Is the grey one at 6:02 compact? When does that one come out
Hoovies' Apollo 911 was called that because the car was driven the same distance as The Moon is away from Earth. It was only after that he did the LS Swap when the original engine gave up.
Which mags pattern do they use
Lmaooo when I fist saw the name of this pistol, I immediately thought of Hoovies Apollo 911, funny.
Looks exciting!
for sure! thanks for watching.
I have a DS 1911 from Para Ordnance in 45 14+1 and a DS 1911 from Rock Island in 10mm that is 17+1 both cost less than $1k
Both shoot very well
Definitely make it bull barrel.. No bushing Lol. Id take a commander size in black or silver.. thanks.
I guess I was lucky with my Prodigy, runs everything and not 1 malfunction. Only about 1100 rounds, I would love one of these too for the price!
Awesome. I really hope Springfield fixed the issues. It is an incredible value.
I’m thinking of getting the prodigy any advise ?
Are they using MIM parts?
LFA makes great stuff Combat 19...under the radar.
will have to ask about that. I was certainly impressed with the value of their 9mm PCC.
I was kind of looking into The prodigy but I'm not a Big springfield fan I reckon I'll have one of these😂😂
Is there any way I can preorder one?
Very Cool!!!!
Will it have a full complete end rail
My next gun and first 2011 type. I would like to order a kit or hope you can order it as a kit so I can custom fit it myself and be cheaper. Would like a .45 cal.
Live Free Armory is great!!!
Great video, you really asked some good questions that I’ve been having towards the Apollo 11 ! Did you by any chance know if it will be coming with 2 mags or 1 ?
Great question, I will follow up. I did not ask as to the number of mags. Glad you enjoyed it.
@@SlavGuns Also, what kind of mags? Proprietary? MBX? Something else?
@Gerald Holt it was said in the video checkmate mags.
@@angryGTS I missed that, thanks for the catch.
Im interested in seeing one of these
Will have one soon.
I applied for email notification when this piece dropped and I haven’t received any response or notification
I’ve seen some bad reviews on TH-cam and Reddit I was about to buy this
I’m getting one for sure
I think live free is doing some really cool stuff
I'm so glad to hear about this gun. I hope it comes to fruition.
I didn't see this 2011 on their site. Is this even out yet? This will LIKIELY be my next buy if I can get one.
Thought we covered it in the video? Coming out this summer.
@@SlavGuns I’m with PrometheanHealing and would like to build out my gun and dream. Also I’d like to order it because my LGS is bringing in Prodigy 4.25” and I’d like to compare and contrast.
Very strange that when the interviewer asked if the pistol was rated for 9mm Major, the builder was at a loss. Since the only category this pistol qualifies for is open division in USPSA, there might be a problem.
For competition shooters who do 60,000 rounds a year, all of them at +P+ levels, (the required power floor) it’s kind of surprising that a new supposedly small and nimble manufacturer hasn’t done their homework.
At the manufacturing level, a little extra material in the right side rail connecting the front locking area to the breech face (thicker, not higher) might do it. Could be balanced by a similar shape on the other side. Or a tougher grade of steel with no changes…
They obviously don’t have to cater to the competition market, but there’s no question that gaining a reputation for quality in that game would help the business.
Good price point. Their taking pre orders now for June or July release 🤔
I love how everyone wants to crap on the prodigy out of the gate but, they all say the same thing! I heard that they were unreliable or I seen so and so on TH-cam say they were crap, so I’ll say the same thing!🤦🏽♂️ But, not actually put one in your hands and shoot it for yourself. I’ve had 3 of them now and all 3 ran great! One is getting ported the 4’25 and the 5” I got rid off just to pay for the porting job on one of my 4’25s. But, can’t wait to check this one out and see if it’s something worth keeping. 🤙🏽
Actually I did have my hands on the Prodigy and know of many people who did buy them and sold them due to issues. They will work them out however, I am sure. Thanks for watching.
Make it in .45ACP double stack with minimum 14 rounds and you've got yourself a purchase.
I call no 1911 a _true_ 2011 unless it's in .45ACP, the lord's caliber.
Took the words right out of my mouth!
Get Checkmate to catch up on 9mm production and they can probably start making .45 mags. That's the biggest problem getting a .45 2011.
Sighn me up that shit gonna be a waiting list lol .
I like the design, but my question is are they planning to come out with a .45 acp/10mm/.40 s&w version?
If only he had said in the video 9mm only
The rationale that a double stack 2011-style pistol needs to cost several thousand has no basis in simple economics, but in marketing and legitimate quality control.
My hometown 😊
3 months later and first time hearing about this gun! Edit and also no reviews on the youtube? So I guess its not ready for prime time yet!
Sick
Now I want one
Why now?
@@SlavGuns I didn’t really catch it much at SHOT.
Think this will be my first 2011 Gona. Pull the trigger.
It definitely hits on all the points.
Rockiland makes a very nice 9mm 2011 as well under 1,000
WTB Microcompact 2011 w/threaded barrel stock.
"Hey, bro. I hear you like serrations and texturing."
I must have one, at that price I can't afford not to . I'll have to hear alot more about it though.
Staccato
At 3x the price…
For sure.
need to spent 3-4k? theres also the prodigy at 1,300, theres the staccato C2 CS and P starting at 2k. but yea they are still more expensive but he was wrong on that.
There are a number of companies with decent long term reputations for making entry level double stack 1911s or outright 2011 clones. BUL, Rock Island, Metro Arms, SPS all have double stacks under 1500 and are proven already.
This company is fairly new and jumping into this market in 9mm, which means they may not be as robust as some of the true 2011s or the better clones that can run 9mm Major or 40 for USPSA Major.
There's a difference between having a clone and having an actual, well built performance pistol. Springfield found out the hard way and they're just importing stuff.
Production in the US makes me extremely skeptical about how well built these can actually be at this lower price point.
Having a 2011 is so much nicer then a wide body 1911
The Prodigy holds more rounds than a 1911, and that's great - but OTOH it's Springfield replacing the most difficult to machine part of their $800 1911s with a cheap piece of plastic, and almost doubling the price. Why is it so hard to believe that someone could do it for less?
Parts availability. Larger manufacturers are starting to make parts in large enough quantity that prices are coming down.
And the 2011 patent has expired to enable more people to do this.
You explained why it's POSSIBLE to do it for less, which wasn't my question.
I asked why it's HARD TO BELIEVE they could do it for less, because it's obviously not difficult. 2011s cost more because they offer a capacity advantage, but there is nothing in a 2011 that costs more _to make_ than a 1911.
Don't put coatings on the rails and they will usually run better. Springfield seems to fail at that with their model
Damn it!! 😭 I just bought a damn Platypus...... But I might buy this 🤔
You gotta give us an upload m/review been on the fence on whether I wanted to throw a little over a grand at it
Have you spent any time with your Platypus yet? Thoughts? That’s definitely on the list for my next piece. The one in this video could be a banger too. (No pun intended)
@@StockA4I love my Platypus, I duty carry it so I get to shoot it the most out of all my handguns. I don't regret my purchase at all
@@chrisdrummond380Buy it 🙌🏽 I don't regret buying the Platypus at all
I wish you could buy that gun in Finland but with tax it would still cost €2000+ even if you could 😢
Where can I get one of this????
they will be out this summer.
Now you guys can see the markup some of these “high end brands” lol
Make sure to check out my upcoming video on the Vudoo Gunworks 1911 and 2011.... discussing why the other guns cost as much as they do. And then the Cabot Firearms/Alchemy gunworks video.
FYI…I have 3 STI 2011s & 2 STI 1911s (3”) & all of them ran out of the box.
Several friends & associates also run STI/ Staccato & I have heard no complaints about reliability.
Seems to me that the lady doth protest too much.
LOL. 2011... not 1911. Go on any competition sites and just ask. If it wasn't for STI's crappy QC... companies like TTI, Akai, SVI, Brazos, Dawson, Limcat, Freedom Gunworks, Phoenix Trinity, and countless others would not exist. When STI was bought out and rebranded Stacatto, they did make quite a few improvements in terms of QC over the years, however they also focused on the civilian and LEO market, away from competitors. the STI 1911 were actually quite great values, but then again, the Spartan was made by RIA and the Trojan's frame was made by RIA. The biggest issue with STI 2011s was the magazines. They were pure garbage and you needed to replace the guts to make them run right. You would either polish the tubes on the STI mags and then replace the spring, follower and base plates, or get a tuned mag from Dawson.... alternatively you just buy an SVI magazine and what I did.
@@SlavGuns
3 STI 2011s…all are reliable gems, including the 3 dozen mags.
The 1911s are Lawman models.
Already knew the history…that’s why I sought them out. Ever heard of a Clark 1911?
Simply stated that my experience, as well as the experience of others that I trust, goes against your opinion of STIs reliability.
When STI/Staccato stopped making magazines in the corner of their shop and hired a professional magazine manufacturer (rumored to be Checkmate) is when 90% of the problems were solved.
@@danielhenderson8316 And LVA is using the Checkmate mags as well. I still love my Dawson tuned STI mags and the mags that came with my SVI.
Full length railed dust cover pl0x!
3.5 INCH SUBCOMPACT WITH THREADED MUZZLE NAOW!!!!!
Aha!
funny cant find a single video showing someone racking the slide on this Apollo 11?
NRA was the first time they actually had a gun with a working trigger.
This and the stealth arms platypus will kill the 2011 market if they are reliable
Platypus looks sick! Love how you can customize it. Also waiting to see how they perform.
A lot of mixed comments here. And surprisingly a lot of negative! I just wish these came out 2 or 3 years ago. I’m glad to see innovation in the 2011 direction! Imagine if Girsan made a double stack $400 1911 model that was “decent enough” 5 years ago???? Rock island Armory did it first! Although Staccatos are the real OP. Looking forward to more budget 2011 style options in the future.
Hahaha this got fact checked for Apollo space program!!! 😆 🤣 😂
that optics cut is deal breaker. Who wants a K footprint dot on a full size 5" gun?
Definitely something to consider. For carry it’s fine. I do like keeping rear sights
Me! Me! Got one waiting!!!
KnifeMaker
It's that or a Deltapoint. The RMR is too wide to direct mount to a 1911 slide.
@@danielhenderson8316 you can get a plate solid on a 1911 more so than other guns with how much material is on the top of a 1911 slide. I’m not against plates on a gun like this.
@@danielhenderson8316 I will certainly be talking to them about it.
Almost perfect. Why cut too many picatinny slots the whole length of the dust cover? No one use the front slots nor the rear slots. Usually the middle slots are used. So why not cut 1 or 2 slots in the middle only? I just don't get it. It's not a rifle where the more slots the better.
They look ported and that looks great to me.
I'd like to see it in 40S&W.
I asked that specific question but the most recent trend has been for 2011 as a regular gun, meaning 9mm, rather than how 2011s have generally been used, for USPSA Limited in 40 SW.
@@SlavGuns The design is good for 40S&W caliber though. All metal gun with long barrel giving it more weight to handle recoil. Plus barrel does not tilt during reciprocation. They were first designed for 45acp. No reason it can't handle 40S&W or even 10mm, but 10mm too much and hard to justify in self defense court.
I want to move to these States
How many times did you Flag him. Wow
I ALMOST bought a slide from LFA...I didn't because I saw some seriously suspect reviews. I'm very curious if this will even run, but only time will tell.
What slide? Links? I have not see myself but played with their rifles and I was happy with them. I may ask for a p320 slide.
@@SlavGuns Not to jump in here in an untoward way, but a casual search (attempting to find their website) first brought up their name tied to "out of business" and then found some REALLY bad comments regarding the way they run the company and the experience working there. As with any personal reports of work experience obviously taking it with a grain of salt, but the ratio of good to bad as well as the specific issues discussed are... troubling. I hope it's just bitter ex-employees but regardless it's going to keep a damper on their growth as this video is the first time I've heard of them, and just trying to find their website led me to the other stuff
It needs to run Glock mags at that price point
that would be interesting, however 2011 mags have many many advantages. First, it is the same mags for 9/40,10mm and 45 ACP... just angle on feed lips. This means you can load long. You cannot do that with Glock mags.
are they cut for rmsc or rmr?????
Micro
I like that, fits the slide profile better aesthetically
I thought he said Holosun K?
Wait now I'm confused, holosun k IS rmsc
@@HKBuilderDIY yes
get me one...
Wake me up when Taurus comes out with one
The Apollo isn’t up on their site.
Gun is not released yet. This summer.
Yey!!!
Yup
Pistols probably 2-300 to make, being sold for 3-5 times its value. To be fair Glocks should cost as much as a Taurus G3.
I’m not spending anywhere near 1,000 for a pistol, not when I can buy a rifle for that.
The spending an additional 1k to get your “2012” doesn’t apply anymore. Staccato still remains king for the $
Staccato is $3k.... for $3k it better be a GREAT gun. also keep in mind, Stacatto jacked up the prices since the STI days... You used to be able to get an STI 2011 for under $2k. Granted, now we also have options from RIA, Springfield and a few others. As far as King for the $... honestly, check out the Vudoo gunworks. their new 2011 are really nice and felt better than most STI or Stacattos I have played with. I am not sure if I released a video on them yet or not, but if not, will be out very soon. (of course my king is still my SVI. lol) although my SV is getting a bit old.
Bul Armory*
@@sd300z And BUL Armory has done so good with their pistols they had to kill their dealer network, sell direct, and still can't keep in stock.
Hmmm it’s beautiful but I need to know is it really going to run. This is why change my mind on the prodigy cause they have problems.
The 9mm’s are evidently easy to make work well. Check. Now where are the 10mm’s and 45 ACP’s please.
the majority of 2011s out there are actually 40 SW for gun games. =) If you want a 10mm or 45 ACP, just reach out to any 2011 maker, super doable. but certainly not at under $2,000.
No Sir! 9mm is the hardest of all to get to run right in a 1911 frame. The round is much shorter than the gun was designed for.
*Rock Island has entered the chat*
Oh yeah, RIa made some. =) their Tac Ultra however is really a double stack 1911 and not a true 2011 design. the new ones don't even take 2011 mags which is a no go for many. The fit and finish on these was also far nicer than any RIA I have seen or shot. I will certainly reach out to RIa to get one for comparison when these come out... unfortunately RIa is very stingy and does not really work with a lot of creators.
How did the slide and trigger feel!!!!? Lol
Slide tolerances felt good, the trigger was okay, a stock trigger. But would be easy to fix... will have to wait and see the final production.
"Is that like +p? Dont know why you would" very strange to hear a guy building 2011s not know what major and minor power factor is. The 2011 is a competition platform first and foremost.
The guy forgot his own company’s website.
Needs armory after livefree
We all brain fart . :)
Mags?
Covered in the video. 2011 style mags. In the video Matt pulls out the exact mag by Chechmate.
Poor guys pecker was in the danger zone the whole time
This interviewer was so cringe but I'm excited AF for this rollout!
The 2011 has had a lot of positive points but with a lot of 'if only's attached.
If only they were so expensive.
If only there wasn't so much expensive after purchase steps required.
If only running way over budget wasn't a thing.
That said I could easily fall down this rabbit hole.
What materials do they use?
Will those materials take and hold close tolerances?
What magazines do they use and how much will they cost post gun purchase?
Are the sights a standard dovetail?
Is it a standard trigger or proprietary?
Does it mimic any other current guns in terms of holster availability?
Steel or alloy frame?
Standard grips?
Is that a standard pic rail?
Is it order direct or sold through a dealer network?
Have they sold and shipped any of these yet?
What's their rating on 9mm +P and +P+?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm leary of 'hopium'.
More than half of these were answered in the video. =) 2011 mags, standard triggers, standard rail, available through dealers and direct, standard grip, out this summer. =P Will confirm on the others in the near future.