Some of the best tennis strings are multifilaments
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I have used MLT in a hybrid setup interchanging with cross and mains, my last set up was Poly Pro Tour on the mains at 49 and MLT on crosses at 53lbs and before that I tried Lux Element on crosses at 49 and MLT on the mains at 53 which was a super soft set up. I found as the tension went on the latter setup the ball would sail more easily and I had to have really good full strokes with a high swing speed to get the ball to dip. Now I use Babolat Gut VS on mains pre stretched at 51 lbs and Babolat RPM blast (original round) at 49lbs on the crosses
Triax is the best multi.
I concur ✌️
I tried all the Tecnifibre multis and definitely Triax was by far the best, and it lasted 3x the time vs their other multis (6 hours vs less than 2hrs).
I'm not a string breaker, not in polys at least, never broken a 17g of Volkl Poly Tour Pro, which is my string of choice.
Just started using Triax too. What tension & racquet are you using?
@@user-ci6fi4se6i In my case 53 pounds, Yonex Vcore Pro HD (2019 model)
Great for those suffering elbow issuss
Why avoid synthetic gut? Great video!
Great advice. I love the bite and control of Poly’s but if I use a multi I really think X-One Bi-phase is the best there is, but for a lower cost option I like TF Multifeel as well. It has pretty good spin and slightly stiffer feel. They fray and wear quickly but better to replace strings than your arm. Gut is amazing and everyone needs to try at least once.
I like Triax a lot in a hybrid with a round poly (4G Soft, Ice Code) to soften the string bed. My only issue is durability as it frays within 2 hours, and I hardly reach the 6 hours mark before it snaps, even as a cross.
Head Rip control was the go to at my club 25yrs ago, first time I’ve seen it mentioned for a long time. Had it in my Radicals back then at 65lbs😅
The Head Velocity or Technifibre Triax are the way to go. Went to a 3 lb variance between the mains and crosses on full bed Triax and getting very good spin and control surprisingly... 51/48
Hi Jonas,
Thank you for the video. Are you still using string project gold / Magic ?
Technifibre Multi-feel Black 1.30 has a spin raring on TWU of over 6.0...
I've been spoilt by hybrid - natural gut with alu power/rpm blast.
But as my arm feels better I've been trying restring zero. Also, just got my hands on K pro (which I'm going to put on my new prestige pro) and going for wasabi and wasabi x on my Shift 99. Testing out this week!
I've been using multi mains and poly crosses for roughly last 15 years. I use Technifibre NRG2 16G multi mains at 52 lbs with Kirschbaum Max Power 17G poly cross at 48 lbs. I sometimes use Technifibre Multifeel 16G multi mains with Kirschbaum Max Power 17G poly too. I've tried gut mains and really like it but it is simply too expensive to use all the time. Kirschbaum Max Power is stiff poly but Tennis Warehouse rates it very high for tension maintenance. TF NRG2 and TF Multifeel also rate very high for tension maintenance.
Jonas in multis the tint is not interconstructed in the material, so color does not affects as much as in polyesters where the tint is "inside" de material
xcel black is also a great option for hybrid on the main!
I think babolat xcel black edition works really well. Gives you the good feeling trampoline effect of multis but snaps back everytime so it has good stringmovement and therefore good spin
What’s your experience with durability with xcel black? A long time ago I played with the xcel white (not sure color matters). I loved the feel but I used to break them quickly. Finally getting back in the game, definitely having some less power and thinking I should try it again now.
@@steviewonder2492 in my experience they have good durability and they hold tension very well. Especially the thicker guages. Im not the hardest hitter but my racket has a very open stringpattern so the strings move alot which should mean they break sooner, but they havent yet
I have been playing triax 1.33 at 57 lbs in the mains and alu power rough 1.25 at 54lbs in the crosses in the PS 97 and I really love it. It feels great with good spin and power
I also use a multi in the mains, and poly crosses. I dont know anyone else who uses this setup that I hit with but I like it.
I used the Ezone 100 the past 2 years - I like the power and the feel, but I crave more control. I see you rockin the new radical MP and I remember you played the ezone 100 as well... is the new radical mp a bit similar to the ezone 100 in feel but with more control?
we are playing similar tennis and similar skill level
I use a hybrid of Ashaway Kevlar and Lux 4g. Super stiff and lasts a long time.
Hello Jonas and everybody else !
Thanks for a great video. I have a question and i need some advice.
Currently i have started to use a Head Prestige Pro Youtek (98 sq,325g & 16x19) and i loved it but i after hitting for 1,5 hour i started to feel pain in my arm later that day. The stick is stringed with RPM blast and i want some help with a more armfriendly strins set-up.
Thanks in advance!
I have used Velocity MLT quite a bit but recently strung Yonex Rexis SPEED, not the regular Rexis and its amazing. I actually prefer that over Velocity MLT. Better snapback and feel, and it doesnt move and lock as quickly as Velocity from what i can tell.
I love Solinco strings, but when I play with them I have some problems with my elbow and wrist (the tennis racket I use is Wilson PSX and the string is Solinco Tour Bite Soft 24 kg). Do you think that I should choose one of the multi( if so, which one will guarantee a spin) or some other soft field?
Interesting topic. 👍 When I got back to tennis after 15 years I got myself a new racket and strung it with Wilson Revolve. It was a good string but didn't last very long (didn't break but just got numb). Then I added Wilson NXT control in the mains and kept Revolve in the crosses but NXT would snap in 4-5 hours. Then I tried Babolat and Luxilon gut in the mains to replace NXT and it felt incredible. At the end just by chance once I had to go with Luxilon Fluoro 1.23 in the crosses instead of Revolve and didn't look back. That's still my perfect setup. Babolat NG mains 23.5kg and Luxilon AP Fluoro 22kg in the crosses (as I got better I did lower the tension quite a bit). It has it all... spin, control, comfort, feel... I'm just a bit worried that I don't see Fluoro anymore in online stores so I hope it is not discontinued. My stringer still has it. 🤞😁
Seems to me it’s discontinued. I used it with Nxt Power in the mains. Have you tried Alu Power Soft? How does it compare to Fluoro?
Fluoro has been discontinued for 6+ years lol
@@jorgeandrescoppiano.5715 That is what I was afraid of. 😐 Haven't tried soft yet (I can still string with Fluoro at my local stringer) but it looks like I might soon. That would be my next pick. Sounds similar enough. 🤞
I used to strung my prestige Mp using Simon’s String of choice love it !
Hello, by any chance, do you know what string Marozsan is using? Thanks
When i strung on the pro tour, Simon did not use intellitour.
what's the point of using a poly over multi for durability when it loses it's tension so fast?
I recently ordered ( by accident ) a wilson sensation Multifilament string ; already after 3 times if hitting the ball the strings were immediately displaced . I even noticed during the points that because the strings were moving around I got really weird launches and was struggling really bad with consistency . I then ordered the Babolat Hurricane poly and the difference for me was HUGE. It will take a lot of convincing of me even going back to multi ...
This is constantly overlooked by the “NO amateur poly!” sect. Polys go back. Shifting strings like Sampras after every point is a drag.
I use Head Rip Control 1.25 black and love it
How do you rate TF X-One Biphase? I have used it for a long time and really like it.
I really love multi, they have excellent power and easy for the arms, I'm ok with the string movement of multi, but as I develop my swing now I think they seem to have too many power, and I haven't found a low power multi yet.
My favorite is Wilson NXT, have try string them up to 55, but still feel too many power, and it feels like it looses tension a lot after several play. Never try string it higher than 55 though, I'm worried it would hurt my elbow. I try to hybrid the NXT with Volkl Cyclone, but the NXT just won't hang on, it looses tension easily so its make it feels weird, and also the NXT broke on the Cyclone. And NXT is not cheap, that why I get it that people get poly or co poly as it the better trade off plus minus (including the price) than multi.
Meanwhile I haven't find poly or co poly that also give good respond to volley. Last is I try Luxilon M2 Pro, best poly I have tried, even better than Luxilon Alu Power, too bad it also have not too good respond of volleys, and also it is discontinued.
So my take is, wish there is a bit low power Multi, that would be perfect.
Tecnifibre X One Biphase and NRG2 and Head Velocity MLT are one of the best.
does stringing velocity mt at 45lb would be very trampoline? is 50 ideal then?
Jonas, have you tried Prince Lightning Pro?
Also: Best combo for durability and softness: Soft Poly mains / Multi crosses, cheap example: Wilson Revolve 1.30 / Head MLT 1.30 all in black
For this kind of hybrid is wasting potential of multi. If you hybrid multi with poly I believe multi has to be at main.
Sounds true, but there’s another dimension: the racket and string combination!
In my old Prince O3 Tour i prefer the Head Velocity MLT (very nice multi) over a poly (feels dead). But in the Wilson Blade 100 the Luxilon Alupower works really well. Maybe it’s because the Prince has deceased, or the Blade is alive and kicking. Don’t know🤔
QUESTION TO JONAS: if I like 20/20 Alu power but I have arm issues, would 23/23 Head Velocity black kind of feel like the same tension as the 20/20 Alu power? Or are multifilaments strung around the same tension as polys? I need to protect my arm so it’s either 17/17 Alu power or a higher full bed of control oriented multi. Any thoughts?!? Tak tak 🙏🌟
I think you should talk about the materials and how they work or not work so well also include tension cross and main because otherwise we have to take your word.
hawk touch reminds me of luxilon element with a little more pop
I play with customized Head Speed S (specs similar to MP, rdc 69) Hyper G 16 in mains and 4G 16L in crossed both strung at 65 lbs. Stiff racket, stiff strings and high tension and I have no arm issues. I hit pretty hard and have good serve (4.5 level). I tried stringing at 48 because of all the current talk of stringing low and it killed my arm, took 2 weeks for it to heal. Maybe cuz I started playing in 70's when stringing at 70 was normal 😂
I strung my new prestige pro with Hawk Power at 52lb. It is pretty underpowered... I was wondering if I should just lower the tension or switch to multi...Usually I'm a lynx tour user, but I thought hawk power might be more powerful, but seem like it is not
Jonas, got to be honest, I cant afford to restring my 3 rackets too regularly, and I moved from Yonex PTP to Luxilon Alu Power mainly because a lot of pros use it. My thinking was simplistic; if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
Yes, I know, there are a lot of things to unpack there. But as I said, I cant really afford to go on a restring journey, and I only really restring when I break a string. My setup is the DR98, led tape at 12, and 52 pounds. The guys at Sergio's might tell you how I play. I'm the 6'4" Aussie - I like to hit the ball... hard... 😂😂😂
Most people should be using mltifilament not poly
Velocity MLT 1.30 black is great! I´m planning to string in my Babolat Pure Strike 16x19, any recommended tension for this string in this racquet? Thanks man!
I have 16g in my PS 98 at 52lbs. Love it!
Weiss cannon power principle best for cross
Can you get the ERT 300 in the USA?
Yes please review the Karue hybrid poly strings from Toroline. If I put multi in mains instead of crosses in a hybrid with poly, will it last longer (move less)?
No
Technifibre NRG2 or xone bi-phase are great. I've been playing the bi-phase in 2023 and I like them very much. Very similar to natural gut.
what tension on the nrg2?
@@ThesGt Wilson Blade v8. Currently at 48 pounds but I preferred it at 50.
Confidential 1.25 gage at 53. It’s pretty hard at the beginning, but keep my shots inside the court!
Would you say multi or synthetic are good to use for crosses in a hybrid? I am always confused about what to do with the 2 different tensions
I've always heard synthetic is terrible. I've been using multi as crosses and poly main, and really like how it softens the bed. If you want a softer feel, there are racquets for this, like the solinco whiteout 305 18x20 you can barely feel the racquet hit the ball. Some people love this (like me) while others don't.
What was the score against the pro Marco?
have you tried velocity MLT on a hybrid with a polyester? Does it react well?
Works great until the Velocity's coating breaks down. Then there is a sudden drop in spin. But until that point you are golden!
@@vanodne did you use it on main or cross
@@brunoalves3736 Both. Actually using it right now as a cross with Lynx Tour mains on a Gravity Pro.
Seems like you take a super wide takeaway, even behind your back on your forehand. Have you tried making it a bit more compact?
I tried mlt 1.25mm in my 18x20 youtek ig speed and really struggled to generate any spin, and i play with very heavy spin. I’ve since moved to a PA 2023 (100sq) with solinco confidential (52lbs) and loved it once settled in, but 10 hours later and its killing my elbow. Since i can’t afford to restring every 10 hours, I’m considering a hybrid with mlt again, perhaps with something like head lynx tour since it’s got such good tension maintenance for a poly. Just worried the shaped poly might chew through the multi. Anyone have any recommendations for a good poly to hybrid with mlt?
Polytour pro is good with it
Jonas, what do you mean by responsive? Some relate it to the feel, others power, others spin.
Try Gamma ocho XP multi. Doesn’t move or fray.
Why avoid synthetic gut ?
Low durability, less control, it’s not as plush as multifilament.
@@jonathanp639 I think synthetic gut has more durability and control than multifilament. You're right about less comfort/plushness though.
I liked the ones I tried but I tried triax once and snapped it within 3 hours. None ithers were any better for durability really.
Why is your racket takeback on the forehand so fast?
Well done video- one more time. I have some thoughts that i can share. I played with a Pure Drive plus ( relatively stiff racket) and recently switched to a Head Boom Pro and have tried full bed MLT natural, TF Multifeel, ISO Professional, Triax Clear, TF TGV, and hybrid set ups with VS Gut/Velocity MLT and VS Gut/TF Triax. All strings were 17g except for the Gut which was 16. Strung around 53-54.5. I also have a bad case of tennis elbow, am a 4.5 player with lots of spin on my forehand adn a top spin one handed backhand.
Here's my take
1. Multi- feel on Head Boom PRO (BP): mushy. too soft and lack of control. No arm issues
2. Velocity MLT Black on BP: somewhat soft and pillowy No arm issues. Doesn't seem to have the power i want.
3. Velocity MLT natural- a little crisper on the BP. No arm issues.
4. TF TGV on BP: relatively crisp especially when new. Gets a little mushy when frayed. No perceptable arm issues.
5. Triax on PD+: crisp, liked the string but felt the arm was huring. Whether it was preciptated with the TRIAX i don't really know.
6. VS /Tiax on PD+. i played yesterday with this set up with a bad case of tennis elbow and alternated with my BP rackets. I liked this the best due to it being a little more powerful, nice spin and control HOWEVER, my arm is very sore today. It might be worth it though.
7. MLT on PD+: nice string but not as crisp a feel. At the time i was playing with it, my arm started to really hurt- that is when i thought it might be the racket and then i switched to the BP.
So, the net of all of this is that i am not sure if my arm problems get better with a slightly more flexible frame with a softer multi. But clearly the PD+ with a gut hybrid is my6 preferred feel on the racket and i get a little more power. So my next move is to decrease the tension on the PD+ with a VS/TGV set up at around 52 for Gut and 50 for TGV and see if i can control it. When i use to play a lot, even with the PD racketsa, I was stringing at 68 with ISO PROfessional and i liked the control and feel. That tension with that racket and string would destroy my arm today!@!
Hope this is useful to some of you.
david
Can you please also comment on using multifilament in hybrid with poly?
do it all the time! great thing to do, jus tmakes sur eyou string the Multi at about 53lbs is you string the poly at 48lbs
Jonas, why do you say to avoid synthetic gut?
They tend to be cheaper strings without spin potential and with poor durability.
@@Tennisnerd thanks... I didn't realize the spin potential was generally poor for nylon
Well I have to disagree on the hybrid comment about most of the response comes the mains. I've been playing and experimenting with Hybrids for over 20 years. What I'm going to say is if you strung 2 identical racquets with the same mains (doesn't matter what it is) with different crosses that are similar and they'll play similar. But that's not to say that a very different cross at a different tension will NOT make and difference. Try this: Put a 16g stiff ploy like Tour bite in the Crosses at even tension. Then put Vel or MLT in the 2nd racquet at the same tension. Can you notice a difference? Same launch? same power level? Same control? Want to get crazy? put in T1 ghost wire or Cream in the crosses at let's say -2lb as a lot of people do and what's the response?
Since most won't try this, here's my guide to cross strings: * You can generate a whole different POWER response with cross string selection. * You can completely change the launch angle from low to crazy high with cross string TENSION. But you want to know what's hard? Maximizing spin, control, power and feel with the cross string. It's taken me what feels like a lifetime (a lot has to do with my finicky elbow, thank god for prolo therapy), I've settled on a fairly stiff, not too slippery, pre-stretched 19g poly that's $8 a pack. This particular string has linear power which I believe to be the key to success for power swings as well as touch shots. I tried umpteen million co-polys and couldn't get any to really play great and/or stay consistent. This cross string works great for me with all versions of main strings at all tensions.
Could you reveal the name?
Multifeel
the black version 👍
The problem that multi doesn’t last that long. I like the feel, but as soon as it frays it loses all the jam. Plus it breaks like there is no tomorrow
they stopped selling head hawk touch red as a reel : (
Rule #1. Get the cost factor out of the equation.
Like how much of a difference does it really make, seriously
Anyone tried Rip Control and Velocity? How do they compare? Which is more dampened? Controlled? More spin?
I have a PD with Rip Contro; and Velocity. Velocity is a little crisper. The Rip Control plays a little dead. Good control though but i did not like the sound.
@@dmf30 thanks Dave! Too low pitch?
@@jorgeandrescoppiano.5715 More like a dull thud!!! If you can handle triax i think that might work. What racket are you using?
@@dmf30 Pro Staff 97 v10 with Gosen Poly Professional.
Head RIP control
90% of rec club players should be playing with at least a half bed of multi.
I keep hearing stiff polys like solinco confidential are only for high level players. I'm a 3.5 and I feel like I can greatly benefit from this string. I love knowing that if I tighten up in a match, the string is dead enough that I have confidence to swing out knowing it won't go long. Arm pain took a few weeks getting used to and now I feel no pain with this string.
Just give me a set of IsoSpeed Professional classic or Control classic 👏👏
ISO Speed Pro was my string for about 15 years. I have switched.
I recently strung up Cyclone X Velocity MLT (natural) and was happily surprised with the spin.
I probably play my best tennis with a full bed of Poly, but at 35, I'm better playing at 90% for a full match and able to back it up the following day without a sore arm
What tension for velocity mlt in rackets would you recommend.
Stop
What tension is suutable for wilson blade 104 if using head velocity mlt 17 ? Thank you
Wilson blade 104? Really????
What tension would you recommend stringing head rip control in a head speed pro racket
How can anyone recommend anything for you when nobody knows how you hit?
Just keep restringing untill you get tension that works for you
Agreed. I don't understand polyester love among rec players. There are plenty of good multiflaments exist and more suitable for low level of players
I don’t agree with that. As a fairly good intermediate, I switched to poly and noticed a big difference in my game. Overall more confidence when swinging due to the added control. It gave me the confidence to hit hard without tightening my arm and body because of the fear of sending the ball away. I feel like playing with multis on powerful modern frames such as the pure drive or the ezone is a bit too much. The downside though is that I started having some pain in the arm, especially playing around 8 hrs per week. Maybe it’s worth trying some hybrid setup i.e. poly main and multi crosses.
@@nicolapipan7090 if you are a between intermadiate and advanced, it would be a good idea to try poly, as you said hybrid would be even more better choice. But i've seen some people as soon as they start playing, they're asking for hyper-g.
Back in the days, pro players used sandpaper in the 70s to roughen the surface of natural gut in order to get more spin. It also works with multis or polys. But don't do it before stringing. Do it, when the stringing of the racquet is done.
For me, natural gut string gives excellent spin but only if you hit with full stroke through the ball.
It is worth noting that you shouldn’t string a multifilament string higher than your usual tension. Thinking that you need to string it higher because it is softer defeats the purpose of using a multifilament.
Thats logic makes no sense, the material of the string and its structure to a poly you can claim that a higher tension defeats its purposes, if anything the higher tension allows more control because tension below 50lbs creates terrible control and the string is still softer than a poly in its mid 40s.
multis most anoying thing is string moving, I hate it. it moves a lot. thats why I prefer gut+poliester hybrid, it moves very rarely.
"If you want to improve" take lessons from an excellent teaching pro 😂
if you are 3.5 just get the cheapest multi you can find and roll with it. All this talk of strings doesn't really matter when you aren't hitting hard enough.
Pure drive 2021, advise tension and string
Kevlar strings at 65lb
Velocity Black is terrible, I tell everyone to avoid it. Once the black coating wears off the stringbed is locked.
Which color would you recommend then? Natural?
True... black multifeel is worse...
Yonex Rexis Speed. Don’t look any further. Spent hundreds of dollars to arrive at this. At 56lbs. Thank me later.
I played with Speed for the last 5 months and loved it. I tried Comfort after it was sent to me by mistake and actually like it just as good or better. Both are underrated strings.
@@robertclary1718 thanks. Does comfort have similar speed/power?
@awa3374 yes I think it does. I really expected more power and less spin but that's not the case.
Hi, tennis nerds! Looking for any thought on Solinco Vanquish. General or comparisons, cause is significantly cheaper than other brands where I live.
PS: Always enjoying your content, Jonas!