I've been attempting to build this engine with Lego, this video has helped tremendously! Thanks for the detailed explanation and views :) Pity it ended so abruptly though. I was glued to my screen haha
The flatbelt pulley is above the gas bag. Was there a danger to the bag caused by the belt falling on it during belt installation or removal? Wouldnt that be a serious explosion hazard?
Richard. LOL everything about this engine is dangerous! For sure if the gas bag were to become detached there would likely be a fire. But fortunately, the delivery pressure of the fuel system is at a very low 1/15 PSI In the typical factory where the would have been installed, the gas bag would have been mounted on the wall behind the engine.
Wayne: I think you will like this video title because it as a tiny model of this engine. TH-cam Title: N. A. OTTO & E. LANGEN 1867 Atmospärische Gaskraftmaschine
The design of the shaft connected to the piston and the way it meshes the gear on the man shaft is a bit odd. Was there a patent on crank shafts at that time that they were skirting around? Why not just use a third eliptical for the piston rod?
Richard, It had to do with the violent combustion of a hydrogen enriched air gas fuel mixture in a non compression cycle. The instantaneous rise in cylinder pressure at the moment of ignition was more than most engine frames ( modified steam engines) could handle. Basically they were afraid of it! The clutch gear and rack gear in the Otto Langen allowed power to be introduced in the main shaft at the moment the piston started descending ( after combustion). It did so at zero velocity preventing and jarring of the mechanism.
Richard, Correct, in that the process resets itself when the piston reaches the bottom, however the the energy that spins the flywheel is from vacuum created in the cylinder after the combustion gasses cool. Hence atmospheric pressure power. It wouldnt function with out gravity, but cooling gasses put energy into the main shaft .
At first I thought you were talking about their Otto Langen... but then I realized you said Brayton...I've watch about 10 times already. Did you have any idea they were going to run it? If I remember correctly the last time an original was running was at the college in the 1920's? So cool to see this video.
I knew it was on their list of things to work on but was not aware it was that far along until I saw the video they posted this past weekend. I will be getting some more information this year on it. I am amazed how well it runs ! As with you I would like to see the start up process
He mentioned it runs about 90-120RPM.. He had it running at 45 or so at first then sped it up. It made about 1/2HP. Which sounds like nothing by todays standards.. But that actually a surprising amount of power to run belt driven machines, and for it to be relatively compact in size. Also consider.. lifespan. many of these older ICE engines made little power, but ran for DECADES nonstop.. take a look at some of the Oil Field engines from the 1920-50's.. more power than this, but still very simple.. and ran 50-60 years.. with just some regular lubrication maintenance.
That thing is crazy! I've never seen a motor like that. Amazing! Must of taken serious brain power to think that one up. Back when people used their brains. 😄
I think he meant some type of flame arrester. And ofcourse it didn't... Or did it? The original had also an accumulator bag and I think that if the flame reached the bag it would cause a small explosion that would probably extinguish the fire. Just an idea :p Thank god we use liquid fuels
Greatly explained, and not as simple as it sounds!
I've been attempting to build this engine with Lego, this video has helped tremendously! Thanks for the detailed explanation and views :)
Pity it ended so abruptly though. I was glued to my screen haha
You have an amazing skill. A beautiful looking and running engine.
Compliments for costruction !! where is possible find the plans of these motor ??
Amazing work, Wayne!
I look forward to seeing it in person at Coolspring.
Beautiful!
That is so neat. Great job.
That is a beautiful machine to watch run, what would the power output of that engine be equivalent to assuming it was never rated?
The original was rated at 1/2 HP
Wayne Grenning wow that's a lot of machine for 1/2hp. It's crazy to think how far we have come
Extremely interesting and entertaining. Thanks
I wonder why the metal bell sound can't be silenced some.
It is the sound of the backlash in the gears as the torque reverses on the power stroke
Thanks
Could it be fueled with a hydrogen generator if so what size generator would it take?
The flatbelt pulley is above the gas bag. Was there a danger to the bag caused by the belt falling on it during belt installation or removal? Wouldnt that be a serious explosion hazard?
Richard. LOL everything about this engine is dangerous! For sure if the gas bag were to become detached there would likely be a fire. But fortunately, the delivery pressure of the fuel system is at a very low 1/15 PSI In the typical factory where the would have been installed, the gas bag would have been mounted on the wall behind the engine.
awesome!
Wayne: I think you will like this video title because it as a tiny model of this engine. TH-cam Title: N. A. OTTO & E. LANGEN 1867 Atmospärische Gaskraftmaschine
What a machine!!!
The design of the shaft connected to the piston and the way it meshes the gear on the man shaft is a bit odd.
Was there a patent on crank shafts at that time that they were skirting around?
Why not just use a third eliptical for the piston rod?
Richard, It had to do with the violent combustion of a hydrogen enriched air gas fuel mixture in a non compression cycle. The instantaneous rise in cylinder pressure at the moment of ignition was more than most engine frames ( modified steam engines) could handle. Basically they were afraid of it! The clutch gear and rack gear in the Otto Langen allowed power to be introduced in the main shaft at the moment the piston started descending ( after combustion). It did so at zero velocity preventing and jarring of the mechanism.
Wayne Grenning Thanks, now I get it. Gravity turns the flywheel, and the gas combustion resets the process.
Richard, Correct, in that the process resets itself when the piston reaches the bottom, however the the energy that spins the flywheel is from vacuum created in the cylinder after the combustion gasses cool. Hence atmospheric pressure power. It wouldnt function with out gravity, but cooling gasses put energy into the main shaft .
Very cool Wayne! Congratulations on reproducing a fantastic piece of industrial history.. I'm hoping the Ready Motor is next in line?
Thanks John, Did you see see the video of the Technikum Brayton running?
No I have not.... Did they ? If so that's pretty cool...
I just watched it! Thanks for the heads up... That's really amazing and cool!
At first I thought you were talking about their Otto Langen... but then I realized you said Brayton...I've watch about 10 times already. Did you have any idea they were going to run it? If I remember correctly the last time an original was running was at the college in the 1920's? So cool to see this video.
I knew it was on their list of things to work on but was not aware it was that far along until I saw the video they posted this past weekend. I will be getting some more information this year on it. I am amazed how well it runs ! As with you I would like to see the start up process
May be 6 RPM? Very fancy machine, but does it produce more than 1 horse power?
He mentioned it runs about 90-120RPM.. He had it running at 45 or so at first then sped it up.
It made about 1/2HP. Which sounds like nothing by todays standards.. But that actually a surprising amount of power to run belt driven machines, and for it to be relatively compact in size.
Also consider.. lifespan. many of these older ICE engines made little power, but ran for DECADES nonstop.. take a look at some of the Oil Field engines from the 1920-50's.. more power than this, but still very simple.. and ran 50-60 years.. with just some regular lubrication maintenance.
That thing is crazy! I've never seen a motor like that. Amazing! Must of taken serious brain power to think that one up. Back when people used their brains. 😄
The engine z got balls. Nice Video BTW.
I need this
Wow first time I see one of those engines just saying
I can't believe he asked if it had a spark arrestor
I think he meant some type of flame arrester. And ofcourse it didn't... Or did it? The original had also an accumulator bag and I think that if the flame reached the bag it would cause a small explosion that would probably extinguish the fire. Just an idea :p Thank god we use liquid fuels
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