That's one of those fights that every Classic EU fan has thought about at some point. I really enjoyed this video and agree with the verdict, but there is some commentary I'd like to add. While Malgus is definately going to win if both fighters are dropped into battle cold, Malak is definately the greater strategist and politico. When Malak has the opportunity to plan ahead and strategize around his opponent's skill set and logistics he has utterly dominated combat. (With the exception of his last duel with Revan) Malgus, while by no means stupid, is still a bloodthirsty attack dog with a messiah complex. It is my personal belief that if Darth Malak were suddenly dropped into Malgus's era or vice versa that Malak would use his political knowledge, esoteric research, and power in the Force to quickly climb the ladder and surpass Malgus. It's likely, if not inevitable, that these two would eventually go at it. But Malak will have seen the writing on the wall and prepared for such a battle in advance, selecting a prepared battleground or taking down Malgus through political maneuvering.
Malak is Malgus Lite. They each have similar Force powers, neither having much of an advantage in terms of "special moves". Malak is by no means unable to take a hit, but Malgus has been shown to tank far, far more damage and still keep coming. The same type of damage would flat out kill Malak. Malak's lightsaber skills are indeed superior to Malgus', but Malgus makes up for it with a stronger defense, as well as more overall combat field experience. In short, Malgus would have a fight on his hands, but the odds of him winning are stacked in his favor. If I had to quantify it, I'd say Malgus wins every 6 or 7 fights out of 10.
More combat experience? Malak fought a war against the mandalorians followed by a Jedi civil war. Malgus has been in a few battles yeah he sacked the temple but that was hardly a solo effort
Actually I’d argue that Malgus and Malak are far from comparable. A Fencer vs Brawler in all categories. Malak is a Jedi Guardian who is in the process of becoming a Sith Inquisitor, Malgus is a Sith Warrior through and through. Malak by far is the more powerful force user, if Malgus slips up and leaves himself open to Malak’s lightning Malgus would be FRIED. His force defenses are carrying him in the fight, Malak is a very complex and skilled swordsman but leaves himself open to counters. Although I do want to mention that NO ONE, has been shown defending Malak’s lightning with lightsabers. He usually just overpowers opponents with immense energy. Though I think Malgus wouldn’t be one shot, he is still fighting an opponent on the level of Emperor Palpatine. Malak is BETTER than Malgus in all areas excluding physicality, however a direct comparison between their overall performances lends Malgus an ever so slight advantage. If Malak didn’t sacrifice defense for offense and was more balanced in his blade work like Revan or Kao Sen Durach, Malgus would be completely outclassed. Malgus could contend but nothing more, in reality neither one is “the other”-lite as they are VERY different people and this matchup should have made that PAINFULLY clear.
+Brenn Tantor Hmm, these characters have intrigued me greatly (except Bao-Dur &Remote. Ive seen your through profile, but I'm not a fan right now). As for Sariss, her vs Teneb Kell would be interesting. Dasann vs Emeror's Wrath Lord Scourge, Gorc and Pic vs Quinlan Vos and Ala Secura. Most of these are probably mismatches those. But I thought these would cool.
I am mega-late, but Malak would win by a country mile. One, he's in his physical prime. Two, he is a more potent lightsaber duelist (Drew Karpyshyn, the lead writer for KOTOR stated Malak was a better duelist than Darth Revan) with a more layered and developed technique with Form II Makashi, Form IV Ataru, and Form VII Juyo to boot. Three, he is a more powerful Force wielder than Qui-Gon with more powers and more powerful abilities, as well as a greater willingness to use them. And four, he is a better strategist and tactician, as he basically stage-managed the duel between him, Revan, Bastila, and Carth on the Leviathan (similarly to Maul against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan). Malak is a major threat on par with Council Masters like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Shaak Ti, and Plo-Koon. Hell, he might even be a Tier 1.5 like Dooku or Exar Kun. If we're high-balling him. There is a reason that no one challenged him after Revan's death. Hell, while I would say he is just slightly below Revan overall, I think he is a definite overall superior to the villains of KOTOR II. Sion is over-reliant on his immortality, Nihilus has little besides Force Drain (moderately skilled in lightsaber combat and above-average telekinesis and lightning, butblittle else), and Kreia is too general purpose to defeat him in a fight on even ground. He's pretty damn scary.
@@ieatmyveggiez5029 Possible, but I don't know if he quite makes it. Though that would require a lot of comparisons and contrasting between their abilities, skills, and other statistics and logistics to come to a decent answer. I think Malak is a better duelist, as he actually mastered his skillset, whereas Exar Kun used a nifty tool to make up for his lack of skill when compared to other fighters in his weight-class. But, I think Kun wins with Force abilities. It could go either way. I can honestly say. The only Force advantage I can definitively say Malak has is his telekinetic defenses and his ingenuity in his use of the Force when compared to Kun's more sledgehammer approach. On second thought, I think that match would be around 6/10 in Malak's favor.
About what I expected. Equal in power overall, Malak holds an arguable edge in breadth of skill and technique but it really doesn't matter against a human tank with as much combat experience as Malgus.
Darth Plagueis VS Emperor Valkorian/Vitiate Both have strangely similar backstories: bastard child, upper class father, low class mother, really messed up childhood, appointed by the ruling dark lord, solitary scholar, obsessed with immortality, etc. (all in spite of their major differences) Both also represent ancient and modern archetypes: the dark sorcerer/god king and the pragmatic schemer/mad scientist.
+Brenn Tantor Oh my. That's perplexing. Idk the full magnitude of Talzin as a force wielder but her night sister force magic isn't in the same league as Vitiate's sith sorcery and Traya could probably pull a win against Talzin. But Sidious could crush Traya yet Vititate puts up one hell of a fight but ult. loses. So for now, Sidious vs Talzin I suppose.
Traya is on team Vitiate In TOR, once you find an old sith spirit trapped in a place who used to help Vitiate because she loved him, it is implied she was Traya. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Talzin is on team Sidious They were initially allies, of course. Thus Palpy could acquire the young Maul.
I can see you're back at full steam. You don't know how I've been missing those videos. An interesting idea I had these days would be Darth Traya vs Darth Zannah w/ prep time.
Jen and other versus series creators don't do prep time. It's completely unfair for one combatant to receive prep time. The idea behind the versus series is that both combatants enter the fight cold with no knowledge of each other on neutral setting and ground. If you give a combatant prep time, then you must do the same for the other
***** I don't know about that. Malak is extremely strong in terms of force abilities, but he is primarily a duelist. I think Shaak Ti could hold her own in a duel against him.
Jensaarai I always enjoy your content, but man are you ever going to figure out your audio? It sounds like I'm listening to a cassette tape from the 80's. But once again great content.
The battle between the 2 Darth Mal's of the Old Republic. Lets see what happens. Also, 2 Jensarrai1 videos in 1 month? Damn. Mad respect Jensarrai1. Like always, I will present my thoughts once I'm finished watching.
I don't know why you say that Malgus doesn't fight gracefully. His fight with Arryn was described as beautiful and the Jedi knight from SWTOR describes his lightsaber form as flawless.
Nerds Forever Zeerid described the duel between him and Aryn as beautiful, despite being worried about her safety. When he fought Adraas, he did not bother with finesse, suggesting that he usually fights with some level of finesse.
Interesting match-up. I really missed the Strikezone series, so it's nice to see that it's still going. Also, could you consider a future match-up between any of these choices? 1.) Dass Jennir vs Bultar Swan 2.) Cin Dralling vs Kao-Cen Darach 3.) Kit Fisto vs Lord Vindican 4.) Satele Shan vs Darth Caedus 5.) Luke Skywalker (Dark Empire) vs Ulic Qel-Droma 6.) Darth Maul (TPM) vs Xanatos
Logan Smith I like the Dass Jennir one. I don't think any of the Main Jedi from the dark times seris have ever been in a vs. Personaly I think swan would take that fight.
Yes! I asked for this a few months ago. Cheers and I expected the outcome. Malgus' track record shows that he is capable of standing toe to toe with folks who go balls to the wall like Malak.
We must not forget about how Malak did fight the Mandalorians while they were at their apex of galaxy crushing power, and was on the winning side. That's not a small feat, although I do agree Malgus has a definitive edge between them, I just wish you mentioned that to Malak's credit.
Jensaarai, you make the argument that it was Malgus' cybernetics that allowed him to accomplish many of his feats of durability, but just shortly after his fight with Satele, in which he was severely injured, he wrecked a nameless (though by no means not powerful) Jedi and his apprentice, and during said fight was able to prevent several tons of rubble from crushing him, then exploded said several tons of rubble up and away from him... again, while severally injured. This would have been before needing his cybernetics by the way. You mistakenly paint Malgus as basically just a very efficient brute/brawler kind of fighter, when in False Emperor, the HoT, who was the best duelist of The Order at that time, claimed Malgus' form was flawless. In other words, you sell Malgus short; while he packs a punch, he's far more skilled than you make him out to be in your analysis. You're also incorrect about Vader being weak against lightning. In fact, he had built-in insulators that mitigated the effects of electricity to where his natural resistance to it would be above that of any average force-user. Your verdict however was good. XD
Would you mind sourcing/quoting where it's stated that Malgus was eventually more or less reliant on his cybernetics? Thank you for clarifying what you meant on Malgus' skill as a fighter. Not exactly. In I think a new Vader comic, it shows Palpatine electrifying Vader with lightning (not his most powerful lightning obviously, but it was by no means not powerful (Sidious looked like he was putting some umph behind it)), and Vader takes it, and gets back up afterward, essentially uninjured. The Vader being weak to force lightning belief is just about as fallacious as the belief that orbalisk Bane is weak to lightning.
Tiny Torah I have to disagree with you about Vader. Insulators dampened the effects of Force Lighting but he was still vulnerable to it. That WAS after all his ultimate undoing. When he cast aside the shroud of the DarkSide and became Anakin Skywalker again, throwing Palpatine down the shaft he took a torrent of Force Lighting that fried his life support system. That.might have been something he could overcome in the past due to him being on the DarkSide and allowing rage and the DarkSide to sustain him until he could get medical attention and repairs to his life support systems. As someone who had just cast off the shroud of the DarkSide Anakin Skywalker could no longer expect the DarkSide to sustain him and he succumbed to the injuries to his lungs he recieved so many years ago on Mustafar. Yes... Vader was indeed quite vulnerable to Force Lightning. The insulators just made him somewhat less vulnerable... he was still quite vulnerable. It was because of this that he didn't use Force Lighting himself. Doing so would harm himself by trying his life support systems.
Malgus's lightning was much stronger than Malak's. His lightning was so powerful that it could blast the lightsabers out of a Jedi's hand if they tried to block. Malak's lightning was never shown nor stated to be anywhere near that level.
+Jensaarai1 Another good video any chance you could do?: Kento Marek or Roan Shryne vs. Dass Jennir Darth Malak vs. Ulic Qel-Droma Zayne Carrick vs. Ferus Olin Xanatos vs. Kueller Cilghal vs. Barris Offee(Legends) Dooku vs. Darth Wryylok III Darth Bane vs. Luke Skywalker Even Piell(Legends) vs. Rahm Kota Mara Jade vs. Shaak Ti Mara Jade vs. Depa Billaba(Legends) Darth Krayt vs. Exar Kun Bardan Jusik vs. Zekk Aurra Sing(Legends) vs. Asaj Ventress(TCW+DD) Darth Malgus vs. Plo Koon Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul(Legends)
Hmm... I'd have to give it to Luke. While Bane would be no easy opponent to push over, Luke, at this point, has fought off against Abeloth and would be way above Bane's level. Had it been Luke around, say the NJO period, the fight would have been much, much more closer to determine.
Jensaarai, you should watch into the badlands, not only is it a good show, but it has great visual references for Star Wars character; Quinn is Vader in his prime (his style shows precision, strength, and just enough ruthlessness), Sunny is Exar Kun (he is more than capable of defeating most opponents by conventional means, but when challenged he pulls out the truly unorthodox), the widow is non-tcw Ventress (a capable combatant who favors dual-wielding and shock and awe tactics), and there are other, less useful similarities of fighting style (the other baron shown is similar to Dooku, zephyr seems similar to darth talon, etc.).
I have a feeling that Malgus gets a lot of edge because of those fantastic trailers. and I always get a sense that he seems to just win in any of the fights hes in? so feels a tad... off. still a nice short vid. thank you.
yea, ending under a mountain of rocks after the duel with severe lung damage is clearly a win, since he was dueling Satele Shan. I mean, he survived that pummeling.
Malak always seemed like a powerful but somewhat second string sith. He was supposedly the superior swordsman but lost his jaw to Revan. He needed the power of the star forge and draining several force sensitives to compete against Revan with the force. On another note, I’ve never really been able to figure out how strong revan is generally considered to be. Sometimes people say he’s a mediocre swordsman and a fairly capable force user. Sometimes people say he’s as powerful as Sideous with the force and as skilled as kun with a saber. Anyone have any good videos or articles to set me on the right track?
tom possessed that's a fight that to me seems to come down entirely to logistics. I don't see how Vader can defend himself against someone as small, fast, and agile as Yoda.
Nice video. When do we get to see Exar Kun against General Grievous? Maybe a clash between the two undefeated duelists in your series, Exar Kun vs Count Dooku?
+Joshua Lozoya Exar Kun vs Grievous are 2 of my fav characters and I like this matchup a lot. All out? Kun because he would just force wound Greivous and call it a day. In a dueling contest? Omg is this a brain scratcher. Maybe Greivous because mult blades is well optimized to deal with saberstaffs? idk about that one. Kun vs Dooku on the hand seems pretty simple. Kun's shock and awe would throw Dooku off and stomps in terms of force abilities.
Malgus really is one of the most refined duelists in Star Wars. He supplements his duels with the force as if they were one and the same, rather than most force users who would use one or the other in most situations. Not to mention how many other skills he has to make him just that much more adaptable to any situation. He could compete with many Counsel level duelists, but capping out at the true masters of combat
Can you recommend a good starwars book I should get on audible, darth plagueis wasn't available sadly. I don't have much experience with the EU other than your videos, and similar vs series.
+Jensarrai1 Time for thoughts +critiques. This is an interesting matchup that Ive given thought to a couple of times and I'm glad that you did it. I used to think Malak would win because of his force abilities. He would just dance circles around Malgus, posses greater skill, slightly greater force power, and has more angels of attack to work with(like force whirwind, and force stun). I know that Malgus vs Zallow indicates that Malgus can deal with an offensive speed fencer like Malak, but I'm to sure how well that carriers over to Malak due to his greater level of skill, and variety of forms giving him more attack options to work with. The idea of Malgus been a "freestyle" fighter on the other hand is brilliant and I greatly like this idea. Given Malgus's sensibities, he's the type of guy who cares about learning the absolute basics techniques and then improving them through extensive live combat experience. A shining example of a combat pragmatist in Star Wars. He might be less technically skilled, but his experience makes it so his performance level puts him on par with the other great sword masters of his era. I do feel you sold Malgus's physical capabilities a tad short though. His cybernetics and muscular physic means he has a greater level of Output than Malak (albeit in a very diff way). Overall, this was a very solid video though I was enjoyed Greivous vs Anakin a lot more. Like always, great presentation, and delivery. As for some future matchups. Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader, Liam the Padawan vs Emperor Vitiate, and Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt. Thank you so much for your work!
Rob George It appears that, for once, we are in disagreement, mate. In a pure duel, I can agree that Malgus > Malak. Malak's style is more sophisticated and elaborate, Malgus' is more balanced and practical. Combined with his superior physicality, Malgus should win, though Malak would give him a hell of a fight, much better than Ven Zalow, thanks to his more varied skill set. Also, the whole argument about Malak's weak defense and durability is based around a single scan from a time period where Malak was years before his prime. And in terms of durability, he survived Demagol's experiments. I fail to see how Malak's Force abilities (mainly Force stun) would be simply shrugged off by Malgus. If Valentine Farfalla was able to put RoT Darth Bane in stasis, I don't understand how Malak, someone much more powerful than Farfalla, couldn't be at least as successful against Malgus, who is weaker than Bane. And the suggestion that Satele Shan is more powerful than Malak... So overall, I would still give Malak a small majority.
+Maciek Cieply Actually we are not in as much as a disagreement as you would think. I used to say Malak, now I'm undecided. The dueling situation is whats got me confused. The comparison to Ven Zallow is a solid indication that Malgus can do just fine against offensive speed Fencers like Malak, but the 2 are very diff in skill sets. Malgus defends and powers through so I can see why you and Jensarrai are saying Malgus>Malak I'm just a tad hesitant about agreeing with it. The idea of Malak's weak def isn't totally unreasonable due to nature of Juyo itself and nearly all fights Ive seen him in, make him the aggressor hammering on a persons def. As for durability, wouldn't the survival of Demagol's experiments not = high durability but a very high pain threshold instead. Malak can def cope with injury well but it still takes him the same amount of dmg to injure him. As for force abilities, the idea of Malgus powering through Malak's force stun is a viable thing to say, but it would def stagger him and could open him or up, or serve as an excellent distraction tool. Need to check my fp chart to remember where I place Satele and Malak, I do remember that Satele>Malgus. Idk Jensarrai1's argument made me re-think my initial argument, and now I'm undecided.
I was thinking about maybe doing Darth Sidious Vs Darth Malgus, and also Allanon Vs Gandalf. Allanon is from the Shannara series, and Gandalf is from the Lord of the Rings series.
Jack Boy Vader's armor more effectively protects the parts of his body that matter (Control Pannel aside), and Vader, thanks to his massive dose of painkillers offered by his suit, is a tank and highly tolerable to pain. Darth Vader has: 1. Been shot 2. Survived the vacuum of space 3. Been torched with a flamethrower 4. Been buried alive 5. Outweighed Maul's own dexterity, surviving an impalement of his own lightsaber through him and Maul, and while the latter croaked, Vader was still standing. Keep in mind, the first time Maul ever flinched was when he got cut in half. 6. Endured close proximity to anger are with only superficial damage to his suit.
Malgus was, credited by Sidious himself, to be the most accomplished Sith Warrior ever. I really think any Sith or any Jedi, ever, would be in serious trouble fighting him 1 on 1. 1V1 hyper lethal fighting is kinda what Malgus does. It's all he does. So...yeah. The exception probably bring Volkorion and Tulak Hord. I also think Sidious would have a good chance. And of course Revan full power. But really.... That's about it.
Knew Malgus was going to win. Not because I believe him superior to Malak, but because I've never seen Malak win in a VS video (save for winning against Zannah in Antoine's Revan & Malak VS Bane & Zannah video) Still it was a fun watch and I always love to see Old Republic characters duking it out
Not sure if you'll see this, but I think this is a fantastic pace for these videos. In many of the other videos, some information gets repeated several times and they end up being 40+ minutes long. This video replaces the repeated information with fantastic transitions between the different comparison sections, and research has shown that 20 minutes is an excellent target time for videos. That is, people are more likely to watch 20 minute videos than longer videos in many cases. Anyway, great stuff!
the experience aspect is not the decider as Malak also fought in both the Mandalorian and Jedi Civil wars and was also a war hero, same as Malgus. It comes down to their styles and approach to combat.
Well, Malak's fighting in the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War were only 8 years. Malgus was at the start and end of the Great Galactic War, which was 28 years.
@@DarthWill3 don't get me wrong experience is a factor to consider but a lot of Malgus's experience would have been against force wielders significantly below his level as well as ordinary soldiers. It helps but having more of it doesn't necessarily give him an overwhelming advantage. It's more about how their individual skills stack against each other
I wouldn't say they were below Malgus' level. There were certainly challenging opponents in his time: Kao Cen Darach, Jedi Battlemaster; Satele Shan, who later became Grand Master of the Jedi Order; and Ven Zallow, a Jedi whom Malgus believed to have shared his views on improvement through combat.
@@DarthWill3 that's still only 3 people though over an extensive period of time. My point is that the vast majority of people Malgus faced in combat were not future grandmasters or noted battlemasters. They were lower level force wielders, mercenaries, soldiers etc etc and more often than not Malgus would be working in concert with Sith forces. Straight 1v1 duels with force users of or above his level would have been a relative rarity.
@6:08 I'm sorry, I know that's official Malak art. But can anyone honestly tell me, that doesn't look like Temuera Morrison? When I just looked at it, I realized... that looks like Temuera Morrison. The Skin tone for the top of his head and his face don't even match, either.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video. I do have one question though, Jensaarai1: You argue that Malgus' armor is likely resistant to force lightning, due to his role as a Darth and thus a part of the games of Sith Politics. Can you provide us with a reference to back up that it had this resistance?
This speaks to his prowess, but not that singular detail. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a major gamechanger, and the fight would be ludicrously close either way. I just wonder what the reference for this detail is.
Nice job. I think malgus wouldn't have too much trouble. I've been trying to get grey jedi to answer this but it's been a couple months and he hasn't responded. Could plagueis have healed darth krayt's vong infestation? Also I think a really good matchup would be tpm maul vs kao cen darach, or maybe ventress.
unrelated and probably better with another video, but it seems to me that the lightsaber combat forms are not complete in them selves and that they build off each other in order. form one provides the basics and tunes one to the currents of the force. form two takes the fundamentals of form one and refines them in to more controlled and measured techniques using only the minimal action required. form three takes the prior two forms and forms a defensive measure to be applied with them. with these three you already have a complete yet simple form using the basics of form one applied through 2 and 3 in tandem. the remaining 4 forms build on them. form 4 sets a more dynamic style to work with the field for more complex battles. form 5 takes the basics of 2 and 3 and works in active counters. form 6 seeks to take all of the prior disciplines as one and work in non lightsaber elements like physical or force attacks. and form 7 seeks to complete the personal style by breaking with form restrictions and applying them as needed by a complete fighter. i find it strange that forms are taken in independently from each other and that the jedi or sith for that matter would not focus on learning all the forms rather than just select forms. rather there personnel styles exhibit the tendency's from select forms that fit their style best. if i were in charge of setting the training regimens of the jedi i would have the trainees learn them each in order up to 6 with form 7 being reserved for the advanced trainees who chose to focus on combat primarily.
Every Djem So practitioners should clearly just get themselves power armor suits or mechanical exoskeletons with cortosis reinforcements or some other lightsaber resistant shit. It's clearly op as fuck. Why didn't the Sith empire just fuckin' hire someone like Tony Stark to build them an arsenal of Mandalorian Iron Man suits for their sith warriors? Answer me that one Mr. "Follower of the hidden truth".
Malgus' style seems very similar to Qui Gon's (mostly) grounded form IV of heavy hits - every move he makes is a devastating strike. The only difference is his physical attacks are even more powerful. He also clearly has a form V defense and counter attack. And he expertly uses force attacks when he can although never subtly. You won't beat him by brawling or with cheap parlor tricks. I knew he would win this one before I hit play. I have to agree with your assessment entirely.
Eeth Koth or Darth Maul vs Darth Sion Koth or Maul both have a natural resistance to pain thanks to the crucitorn ability whereas Sion, well he just refuses to stay down. Who would win and endure the longest?
Vader without a doubt. Most of Mara's extra weapons are going to do next to nothing against him. Hes the more skilled+experienced duelist and outside of lightning on Mara, Vader does everything better. She can def contend but in the end, shes going to lose this one.
I would love to see em fight.! I think Malgus would win at the end, but again there is a reason why Malak was the leader of the Sith, even Sion was below Malak before he became The Lord Of Pain. I love em both 🙏
Agreed. In fact, my biggest regret with this video is that I presented it as too one-sided in favor of Malgus, when the truth is that Malak is a serious heavy hitter, and would easily be one of the most dangerous opponents that Malgus ever faced.
@@Jensaarai1 The fight would definitely not be easy. I think they're pretty much equel to each other, but i still think Malgus would win at the end, can't explain why, it's just a guess.
@@BuriedAlien-TRN242 As I see it, their offensive output and power levels are roughly equal, but Malgus is physically tougher and more defensively viable. They both dish it, but he's better at taking it.
Considering the fact that Quinlan Vos fought and beat (let him live) Darth Tyranus once, do you believe this is something Vos is capable of doing a second time? It is known that Tyranus and his force lightning proved to be way too much for Vos to handle but I guess I'm more curious about a duel between these two. What do you think
that was part of canon which Jensaarai1 doesn't consider (which is for the better) Quinlan Vos never defeated count Dooku in legends and that was stupid anyway and for the record Jensaarai1 hates dark disciple so none of the logic is relevant in a proper story count Dooku would destroy Quinlan Vos
What if Malak would use the force drain though? I'm quite sure that few seconds in the fight Malak would realise that he's weaker in the fight and that he needs a trump card, he would try to use every force power that he can to get through Malgus's defences, eventualy he would even use the force drain.
I doubt that malak would have enought time to concentrate, since malgus would just push on relentlessly, trying to chop malak to pieces ASAP, maybe if he were stunned for long enough time...
As we know, Malak stuns opponents to get himself time, or he just runs away to get himself time, I'm quite sure that he could do what I just said, especialy if he'd be losing.
I have to agree that Malgus would win, he's better in a lot of ways and what he's better at fully counters Malak, however I think even if Malgus makes a mistake he'll be fine
im not a revan fanboy but i think revan will come out the victor on that one, the fact that he was able to put up a fight against vitiate speaks volumes
I feel as though taking Malak as Akaya leaving himself open to counterattack and repeating the same move over and over again is a bit of a reach. It’s an issue with turn-based games, and I imagine a more recently-depicted Malak would be far less passive. I know there’s very little material to consult with him, but I do feel that weakness was more made-up than genuinely evidenced. Even though we’re taking him as a Juyo specialist, that almost necessitates mastery over very other form, and I think it would be a disservice to Malak, as a war veteran against Mandalorians at a time when vibroblades could contend with lightsabers, and later against Jedi, to think he didn’t have a capable defence.
The Treacherous Butchers. Cool title, I suppose The Baldies wouldnt carry the same weight, lol.
Kylo vs someone else weak would be fun
Feenix darth vin and Darth Cueball
dragon ball talk darth Angst would lose to Jar Jar binks
Only one Feenix, only one
The Scheming Skinheads
That's one of those fights that every Classic EU fan has thought about at some point. I really enjoyed this video and agree with the verdict, but there is some commentary I'd like to add.
While Malgus is definately going to win if both fighters are dropped into battle cold, Malak is definately the greater strategist and politico. When Malak has the opportunity to plan ahead and strategize around his opponent's skill set and logistics he has utterly dominated combat. (With the exception of his last duel with Revan) Malgus, while by no means stupid, is still a bloodthirsty attack dog with a messiah complex. It is my personal belief that if Darth Malak were suddenly dropped into Malgus's era or vice versa that Malak would use his political knowledge, esoteric research, and power in the Force to quickly climb the ladder and surpass Malgus.
It's likely, if not inevitable, that these two would eventually go at it. But Malak will have seen the writing on the wall and prepared for such a battle in advance, selecting a prepared battleground or taking down Malgus through political maneuvering.
So in other words, he'd be a much beefier version of Darth Adraas.
@@Jensaarai1 Pretty much yeah.
@@watchface6836it so cool after all these years there is discourse
And Malak would be successful in that situation unlike Adrass
Malak is Malgus Lite.
They each have similar Force powers, neither having much of an advantage in terms of "special moves".
Malak is by no means unable to take a hit, but Malgus has been shown to tank far, far more damage and still keep coming. The same type of damage would flat out kill Malak.
Malak's lightsaber skills are indeed superior to Malgus', but Malgus makes up for it with a stronger defense, as well as more overall combat field experience.
In short, Malgus would have a fight on his hands, but the odds of him winning are stacked in his favor. If I had to quantify it, I'd say Malgus wins every 6 or 7 fights out of 10.
More combat experience? Malak fought a war against the mandalorians followed by a Jedi civil war. Malgus has been in a few battles yeah he sacked the temple but that was hardly a solo effort
Actually I’d argue that Malgus and Malak are far from comparable. A Fencer vs Brawler in all categories. Malak is a Jedi Guardian who is in the process of becoming a Sith Inquisitor, Malgus is a Sith Warrior through and through. Malak by far is the more powerful force user, if Malgus slips up and leaves himself open to Malak’s lightning Malgus would be FRIED. His force defenses are carrying him in the fight, Malak is a very complex and skilled swordsman but leaves himself open to counters. Although I do want to mention that NO ONE, has been shown defending Malak’s lightning with lightsabers. He usually just overpowers opponents with immense energy. Though I think Malgus wouldn’t be one shot, he is still fighting an opponent on the level of Emperor Palpatine. Malak is BETTER than Malgus in all areas excluding physicality, however a direct comparison between their overall performances lends Malgus an ever so slight advantage. If Malak didn’t sacrifice defense for offense and was more balanced in his blade work like Revan or Kao Sen Durach, Malgus would be completely outclassed. Malgus could contend but nothing more, in reality neither one is “the other”-lite as they are VERY different people and this matchup should have made that PAINFULLY clear.
I hope you will unleash characters upon the versus series soon, such as:
- Desann
- Xalek
- Bao-Dur & Remote
- Sariss
- Gorc & Pic
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+Brenn Tantor Hmm, these characters have intrigued me greatly (except Bao-Dur &Remote. Ive seen your through profile, but I'm not a fan right now). As for Sariss, her vs Teneb Kell would be interesting. Dasann vs Emeror's Wrath Lord Scourge, Gorc and Pic vs Quinlan Vos and Ala Secura. Most of these are probably mismatches those. But I thought these would cool.
I know Malak doesn't have a good record on here. Would you be willing to do Malak vs Qui Gonn? As sort of a losers bracket?
I am mega-late, but Malak would win by a country mile. One, he's in his physical prime. Two, he is a more potent lightsaber duelist (Drew Karpyshyn, the lead writer for KOTOR stated Malak was a better duelist than Darth Revan) with a more layered and developed technique with Form II Makashi, Form IV Ataru, and Form VII Juyo to boot. Three, he is a more powerful Force wielder than Qui-Gon with more powers and more powerful abilities, as well as a greater willingness to use them. And four, he is a better strategist and tactician, as he basically stage-managed the duel between him, Revan, Bastila, and Carth on the Leviathan (similarly to Maul against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan). Malak is a major threat on par with Council Masters like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Shaak Ti, and Plo-Koon. Hell, he might even be a Tier 1.5 like Dooku or Exar Kun. If we're high-balling him. There is a reason that no one challenged him after Revan's death. Hell, while I would say he is just slightly below Revan overall, I think he is a definite overall superior to the villains of KOTOR II. Sion is over-reliant on his immortality, Nihilus has little besides Force Drain (moderately skilled in lightsaber combat and above-average telekinesis and lightning, butblittle else), and Kreia is too general purpose to defeat him in a fight on even ground. He's pretty damn scary.
to be honest i don't think that would be any less one sided though this time in malaks favour, he's actually pretty hard to find a match up,
@@austinkersey2445 malak in his prime was stated to have surpassed exar kun
@@ieatmyveggiez5029 Possible, but I don't know if he quite makes it. Though that would require a lot of comparisons and contrasting between their abilities, skills, and other statistics and logistics to come to a decent answer. I think Malak is a better duelist, as he actually mastered his skillset, whereas Exar Kun used a nifty tool to make up for his lack of skill when compared to other fighters in his weight-class. But, I think Kun wins with Force abilities. It could go either way. I can honestly say. The only Force advantage I can definitively say Malak has is his telekinetic defenses and his ingenuity in his use of the Force when compared to Kun's more sledgehammer approach. On second thought, I think that match would be around 6/10 in Malak's favor.
@@austinkersey2445 you misunderstand what I mean, the lead kotor developer/writer stated whilst on the star forge he surpassed exar kun
Now *here's* a Old Republic deathmatch I've been waiting a long time for. Good money's on Malgus. *clicks play*
About what I expected. Equal in power overall, Malak holds an arguable edge in breadth of skill and technique but it really doesn't matter against a human tank with as much combat experience as Malgus.
Malgus was such a beast on the battlefied, tactically flexible, a beast of a powerhouse. Definitely became one of my favorite sith lords.
God I love KOTOR.
Talon
You and just about every sane person who has played it.
Talon I wish I had a PC so I could play this AMAZING series.
You could play it on original Xbox , or 360 ( as backwards compatible )
or phone
jj grabes it's better on the pc
Thank you so much, I've been waiting for one of you guys to do this match up for forever.
Darth Plagueis VS Emperor Valkorian/Vitiate
Both have strangely similar backstories: bastard child, upper class father, low class mother, really messed up childhood, appointed by the ruling dark lord, solitary scholar, obsessed with immortality, etc. (all in spite of their major differences)
Both also represent ancient and modern archetypes: the dark sorcerer/god king and the pragmatic schemer/mad scientist.
Vitiate + Traya vs Sidious + Talzin
The battle of bad families! :D
Lord Byss1 Plagueis.
+Brenn Tantor Oh my. That's perplexing. Idk the full magnitude of Talzin as a force wielder but her night sister force magic isn't in the same league as Vitiate's sith sorcery and Traya could probably pull a win against Talzin. But Sidious could crush Traya yet Vititate puts up one hell of a fight but ult. loses. So for now, Sidious vs Talzin I suppose.
Traya is on team Vitiate
In TOR, once you find an old sith spirit trapped in a place who used to help Vitiate because she loved him, it is implied she was Traya.
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Talzin is on team Sidious
They were initially allies, of course. Thus Palpy could acquire the young Maul.
Lord Byss1 Valkorion wins. Plagueis is like a todler in comparison.
I can see you're back at full steam. You don't know how I've been missing those videos. An interesting idea I had these days would be Darth Traya vs Darth Zannah w/ prep time.
Jen and other versus series creators don't do prep time. It's completely unfair for one combatant to receive prep time. The idea behind the versus series is that both combatants enter the fight cold with no knowledge of each other on neutral setting and ground. If you give a combatant prep time, then you must do the same for the other
Yes! I was just reading some star wars lore and was like please someone upload again!
I think Malgus would win, but Malak will always have the coolest voice! Loo
well about time. it's been ages since you done a versus series with Malgus.
Yep I hope I punish him for that
‘The Masked Bad Baldies’
Great video Jensaarai.
What did you just say
This was on my comicvine! I proposed this match a while back. Yay!
Solid 10% like rate! Awesome job Connor!
This is the first versus match I ever wanted, because they look so similar, I still confuse them sometimes.
Been waiting for this for a long time, and I am not disappointed.
KOTOR FOR LIFE!!! Keep up your awesomeness Jen. 😈😈😈 #sithforlyfe
Malak vs Shaak Ti?
Joshua Hicks yes guys this needs to happen
Joshua Hicks not even a match. Rest in pieces, Shaak Ti i'd say
Joshua Hicks shaak ti would get destroyed hands down imo.
***** I don't know about that. Malak is extremely strong in terms of force abilities, but he is primarily a duelist. I think Shaak Ti could hold her own in a duel against him.
Joshua Hicks maybe for a short bit, but the second he sees add even slight drop in her shield, bye bye. which shouldn't take long for him to exploit.
Jensaarai I always enjoy your content, but man are you ever going to figure out your audio? It sounds like I'm listening to a cassette tape from the 80's. But once again great content.
I was hoping Darth Sidious against Darth Malgus but I'll take what I can get! Great video!
That would be a slaughter, Malgus is my favorite sith but Sidious was way stronger.
God I've been waiting for this matchup, thank you so much for making these vids dude!
The battle between the 2 Darth Mal's of the Old Republic. Lets see what happens. Also, 2 Jensarrai1 videos in 1 month? Damn. Mad respect Jensarrai1. Like always, I will present my thoughts once I'm finished watching.
I don't know why you say that Malgus doesn't fight gracefully. His fight with Arryn was described as beautiful and the Jedi knight from SWTOR describes his lightsaber form as flawless.
yeah and did he not go into rain storm and hit every rain drop for a long time and come back dry.how is that not more speed and grace
thanosthetitan81 Bane, my friend. You're thinking of Darth Bane.
Yep, that is Bane.
flawless blade work dose not mean an eloquent fighting style you can do flawless bladework with a battle axe but its not eloquent
Nerds Forever Zeerid described the duel between him and Aryn as beautiful, despite being worried about her safety. When he fought Adraas, he did not bother with finesse, suggesting that he usually fights with some level of finesse.
Interesting match-up. I really missed the Strikezone series, so it's nice to see that it's still going.
Also, could you consider a future match-up between any of these choices?
1.) Dass Jennir vs Bultar Swan
2.) Cin Dralling vs Kao-Cen Darach
3.) Kit Fisto vs Lord Vindican
4.) Satele Shan vs Darth Caedus
5.) Luke Skywalker (Dark Empire) vs Ulic Qel-Droma
6.) Darth Maul (TPM) vs Xanatos
Logan Smith
I like the Dass Jennir one. I don't think any of the Main Jedi from the dark times seris have ever been in a vs. Personaly I think swan would take that fight.
Yes! I asked for this a few months ago. Cheers and I expected the outcome. Malgus' track record shows that he is capable of standing toe to toe with folks who go balls to the wall like Malak.
We must not forget about how Malak did fight the Mandalorians while they were at their apex of galaxy crushing power, and was on the winning side. That's not a small feat, although I do agree Malgus has a definitive edge between them, I just wish you mentioned that to Malak's credit.
Jensaarai, you make the argument that it was Malgus' cybernetics that allowed him to accomplish many of his feats of durability, but just shortly after his fight with Satele, in which he was severely injured, he wrecked a nameless (though by no means not powerful) Jedi and his apprentice, and during said fight was able to prevent several tons of rubble from crushing him, then exploded said several tons of rubble up and away from him... again, while severally injured. This would have been before needing his cybernetics by the way.
You mistakenly paint Malgus as basically just a very efficient brute/brawler kind of fighter, when in False Emperor, the HoT, who was the best duelist of The Order at that time, claimed Malgus' form was flawless. In other words, you sell Malgus short; while he packs a punch, he's far more skilled than you make him out to be in your analysis.
You're also incorrect about Vader being weak against lightning. In fact, he had built-in insulators that mitigated the effects of electricity to where his natural resistance to it would be above that of any average force-user.
Your verdict however was good. XD
Would you mind sourcing/quoting where it's stated that Malgus was eventually more or less reliant on his cybernetics?
Thank you for clarifying what you meant on Malgus' skill as a fighter.
Not exactly. In I think a new Vader comic, it shows Palpatine electrifying Vader with lightning (not his most powerful lightning obviously, but it was by no means not powerful (Sidious looked like he was putting some umph behind it)), and Vader takes it, and gets back up afterward, essentially uninjured.
The Vader being weak to force lightning belief is just about as fallacious as the belief that orbalisk Bane is weak to lightning.
Tiny Torah I have to disagree with you about Vader. Insulators dampened the effects of Force Lighting but he was still vulnerable to it. That WAS after all his ultimate undoing. When he cast aside the shroud of the DarkSide and became Anakin Skywalker again, throwing Palpatine down the shaft he took a torrent of Force Lighting that fried his life support system. That.might have been something he could overcome in the past due to him being on the DarkSide and allowing rage and the DarkSide to sustain him until he could get medical attention and repairs to his life support systems. As someone who had just cast off the shroud of the DarkSide Anakin Skywalker could no longer expect the DarkSide to sustain him and he succumbed to the injuries to his lungs he recieved so many years ago on Mustafar. Yes... Vader was indeed quite vulnerable to Force Lightning. The insulators just made him somewhat less vulnerable... he was still quite vulnerable. It was because of this that he didn't use Force Lighting himself. Doing so would harm himself by trying his life support systems.
Malgus is the only thing that made SWTOR worthwhile.
Alaaran Aranoya not really.
Alaaran Aranoya true
awesome video, and i agree Malgus is such a beast, really liked the book decieved
Malgus's lightning was much stronger than Malak's. His lightning was so powerful that it could blast the lightsabers out of a Jedi's hand if they tried to block. Malak's lightning was never shown nor stated to be anywhere near that level.
Darth Sidious vs Darth Vitiate. I'd love to hear your take on that duel. EvanNova95 did a decent job but that doesn't compare to modern analysees.
+Jensaarai1 Another good video any chance you could do?:
Kento Marek or Roan Shryne vs. Dass Jennir
Darth Malak vs. Ulic Qel-Droma
Zayne Carrick vs. Ferus Olin
Xanatos vs. Kueller
Cilghal vs. Barris Offee(Legends)
Dooku vs. Darth Wryylok III
Darth Bane vs. Luke Skywalker
Even Piell(Legends) vs. Rahm Kota
Mara Jade vs. Shaak Ti
Mara Jade vs. Depa Billaba(Legends)
Darth Krayt vs. Exar Kun
Bardan Jusik vs. Zekk
Aurra Sing(Legends) vs. Asaj Ventress(TCW+DD)
Darth Malgus vs. Plo Koon
Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul(Legends)
Ooh, I really like that Mara Jade vs Shaak Ti idea. Also, which version of Luke did you have in mind for facing Bane?
+Logan Smith Luke Skywalker(Legends)
Okay then, if you don't mind me asking again, which period from the Legends continuity is this Luke from? (Dark Empire, NJO, FOTJ, etc.)
+Luke Skywalker as he appeared in Star Wars Crucible.
Hmm... I'd have to give it to Luke. While Bane would be no easy opponent to push over, Luke, at this point, has fought off against Abeloth and would be way above Bane's level. Had it been Luke around, say the NJO period, the fight would have been much, much more closer to determine.
never saw lightsaber skills based off Kotor animations lol good vid tho
Jensaarai, you should watch into the badlands, not only is it a good show, but it has great visual references for Star Wars character; Quinn is Vader in his prime (his style shows precision, strength, and just enough ruthlessness), Sunny is Exar Kun (he is more than capable of defeating most opponents by conventional means, but when challenged he pulls out the truly unorthodox), the widow is non-tcw Ventress (a capable combatant who favors dual-wielding and shock and awe tactics), and there are other, less useful similarities of fighting style (the other baron shown is similar to Dooku, zephyr seems similar to darth talon, etc.).
Nice.. One question. On the bendu's shoulder, is that asohka. They did add in renarnation.
Great analysis!
i like the comparison, just cos someone isnt as skilled doesnt mean they're not a threat!!!
Great Videos , I just want to sugest turn up the volume in your voice the rocorded voice it kind of low at least to my ears. Thank you.
I have a feeling that Malgus gets a lot of edge because of those fantastic trailers. and I always get a sense that he seems to just win in any of the fights hes in? so feels a tad... off. still a nice short vid. thank you.
yea, ending under a mountain of rocks after the duel with severe lung damage is clearly a win, since he was dueling Satele Shan. I mean, he survived that pummeling.
Malak always seemed like a powerful but somewhat second string sith. He was supposedly the superior swordsman but lost his jaw to Revan. He needed the power of the star forge and draining several force sensitives to compete against Revan with the force.
On another note, I’ve never really been able to figure out how strong revan is generally considered to be. Sometimes people say he’s a mediocre swordsman and a fairly capable force user. Sometimes people say he’s as powerful as Sideous with the force and as skilled as kun with a saber. Anyone have any good videos or articles to set me on the right track?
Darth vader vs yoda ,please tell us the date
I wanted to see Downplayed Yoda vs Downplayed Vader, that would be more interesting.
tom possessed he's already done it
Spencerdiaz Yeah but it got taken down so he's doing it again like his Vader vs Exar Kun Redux.
I am the Senate Yoda is not Sidious's equal. Close, yes, but not equal.
tom possessed that's a fight that to me seems to come down entirely to logistics. I don't see how Vader can defend himself against someone as small, fast, and agile as Yoda.
Nice video. When do we get to see Exar Kun against General Grievous? Maybe a clash between the two undefeated duelists in your series, Exar Kun vs Count Dooku?
Wasn't Dooku defeated my Malgus?
Yes, he said Malgus would win
+Joshua Lozoya Exar Kun vs Grievous are 2 of my fav characters and I like this matchup a lot. All out? Kun because he would just force wound Greivous and call it a day. In a dueling contest? Omg is this a brain scratcher. Maybe Greivous because mult blades is well optimized to deal with saberstaffs? idk about that one. Kun vs Dooku on the hand seems pretty simple. Kun's shock and awe would throw Dooku off and stomps in terms of force abilities.
Would you consider doing a video on Darth Desolous vs Ki adi Mundi? or another Jedi?
Malgus really is one of the most refined duelists in Star Wars. He supplements his duels with the force as if they were one and the same, rather than most force users who would use one or the other in most situations. Not to mention how many other skills he has to make him just that much more adaptable to any situation. He could compete with many Counsel level duelists, but capping out at the true masters of combat
Can you recommend a good starwars book I should get on audible, darth plagueis wasn't available sadly. I don't have much experience with the EU other than your videos, and similar vs series.
Great video!!
sound quality sucks, I can barely hear it, but the commercials are plenty loud
+Jensarrai1 Time for thoughts +critiques. This is an interesting matchup that Ive given thought to a couple of times and I'm glad that you did it. I used to think Malak would win because of his force abilities. He would just dance circles around Malgus, posses greater skill, slightly greater force power, and has more angels of attack to work with(like force whirwind, and force stun). I know that Malgus vs Zallow indicates that Malgus can deal with an offensive speed fencer like Malak, but I'm to sure how well that carriers over to Malak due to his greater level of skill, and variety of forms giving him more attack options to work with. The idea of Malgus been a "freestyle" fighter on the other hand is brilliant and I greatly like this idea. Given Malgus's sensibities, he's the type of guy who cares about learning the absolute basics techniques and then improving them through extensive live combat experience. A shining example of a combat pragmatist in Star Wars. He might be less technically skilled, but his experience makes it so his performance level puts him on par with the other great sword masters of his era. I do feel you sold Malgus's physical capabilities a tad short though. His cybernetics and muscular physic means he has a greater level of Output than Malak (albeit in a very diff way). Overall, this was a very solid video though I was enjoyed Greivous vs Anakin a lot more. Like always, great presentation, and delivery. As for some future matchups. Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader, Liam the Padawan vs Emperor Vitiate, and Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt. Thank you so much for your work!
Rob George It appears that, for once, we are in disagreement, mate.
In a pure duel, I can agree that Malgus > Malak. Malak's style is more sophisticated and elaborate, Malgus' is more balanced and practical. Combined with his superior physicality, Malgus should win, though Malak would give him a hell of a fight, much better than Ven Zalow, thanks to his more varied skill set.
Also, the whole argument about Malak's weak defense and durability is based around a single scan from a time period where Malak was years before his prime. And in terms of durability, he survived Demagol's experiments.
I fail to see how Malak's Force abilities (mainly Force stun) would be simply shrugged off by Malgus. If Valentine Farfalla was able to put RoT Darth Bane in stasis, I don't understand how Malak, someone much more powerful than Farfalla, couldn't be at least as successful against Malgus, who is weaker than Bane. And the suggestion that Satele Shan is more powerful than Malak...
So overall, I would still give Malak a small majority.
+Maciek Cieply Actually we are not in as much as a disagreement as you would think. I used to say Malak, now I'm undecided. The dueling situation is whats got me confused. The comparison to Ven Zallow is a solid indication that Malgus can do just fine against offensive speed Fencers like Malak, but the 2 are very diff in skill sets. Malgus defends and powers through so I can see why you and Jensarrai are saying Malgus>Malak I'm just a tad hesitant about agreeing with it. The idea of Malak's weak def isn't totally unreasonable due to nature of Juyo itself and nearly all fights Ive seen him in, make him the aggressor hammering on a persons def. As for durability, wouldn't the survival of Demagol's experiments not = high durability but a very high pain threshold instead. Malak can def cope with injury well but it still takes him the same amount of dmg to injure him. As for force abilities, the idea of Malgus powering through Malak's force stun is a viable thing to say, but it would def stagger him and could open him or up, or serve as an excellent distraction tool. Need to check my fp chart to remember where I place Satele and Malak, I do remember that Satele>Malgus. Idk Jensarrai1's argument made me re-think my initial argument, and now I'm undecided.
knew it. as soon as I saw this, I knew who you were picking. everyone picks malgus
I was thinking about maybe doing Darth Sidious Vs Darth Malgus, and also Allanon Vs Gandalf. Allanon is from the Shannara series, and Gandalf is from the Lord of the Rings series.
I wonder if combining Shiicho and Juyo would be a good set up
Darth Malak's armor is a joke compared to Vader's
boi you sure about that? mah boi malgus is tha best
Nvm i miss read : 3
also he says Darth MALAK's armour is a joke compared to Vader's
Jack Boy Vader's armor more effectively protects the parts of his body that matter (Control Pannel aside), and Vader, thanks to his massive dose of painkillers offered by his suit, is a tank and highly tolerable to pain.
Darth Vader has:
1. Been shot
2. Survived the vacuum of space
3. Been torched with a flamethrower
4. Been buried alive
5. Outweighed Maul's own dexterity, surviving an impalement of his own lightsaber through him and Maul, and while the latter croaked, Vader was still standing. Keep in mind, the first time Maul ever flinched was when he got cut in half.
6. Endured close proximity to anger are with only superficial damage to his suit.
Jack Boy Pretty sure sidious based vaders armor on malgus'. I read that somewhere, cant remember where
Missed these videos. Been too long.
Malak is number 1 regardless if he wins or loses. His personality is what makes him the greatest sith.
I am stronger than PATHETIC Malak
@@thehistorybuff-smh "That's not true! That's impossible!"
Malgus was, credited by Sidious himself, to be the most accomplished Sith Warrior ever. I really think any Sith or any Jedi, ever, would be in serious trouble fighting him 1 on 1. 1V1 hyper lethal fighting is kinda what Malgus does. It's all he does. So...yeah.
The exception probably bring Volkorion and Tulak Hord. I also think Sidious would have a good chance. And of course Revan full power. But really.... That's about it.
Knew Malgus was going to win. Not because I believe him superior to Malak, but because I've never seen Malak win in a VS video (save for winning against Zannah in Antoine's Revan & Malak VS Bane & Zannah video) Still it was a fun watch and I always love to see Old Republic characters duking it out
Not sure if you'll see this, but I think this is a fantastic pace for these videos. In many of the other videos, some information gets repeated several times and they end up being 40+ minutes long. This video replaces the repeated information with fantastic transitions between the different comparison sections, and research has shown that 20 minutes is an excellent target time for videos. That is, people are more likely to watch 20 minute videos than longer videos in many cases. Anyway, great stuff!
The outcome was never in doubt. Malgus is not only more experienced than Malak in terms of decades, but also more varied on lightsaber combat.
the experience aspect is not the decider as Malak also fought in both the Mandalorian and Jedi Civil wars and was also a war hero, same as Malgus. It comes down to their styles and approach to combat.
Well, Malak's fighting in the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War were only 8 years. Malgus was at the start and end of the Great Galactic War, which was 28 years.
@@DarthWill3 don't get me wrong experience is a factor to consider but a lot of Malgus's experience would have been against force wielders significantly below his level as well as ordinary soldiers. It helps but having more of it doesn't necessarily give him an overwhelming advantage. It's more about how their individual skills stack against each other
I wouldn't say they were below Malgus' level. There were certainly challenging opponents in his time: Kao Cen Darach, Jedi Battlemaster; Satele Shan, who later became Grand Master of the Jedi Order; and Ven Zallow, a Jedi whom Malgus believed to have shared his views on improvement through combat.
@@DarthWill3 that's still only 3 people though over an extensive period of time. My point is that the vast majority of people Malgus faced in combat were not future grandmasters or noted battlemasters. They were lower level force wielders, mercenaries, soldiers etc etc and more often than not Malgus would be working in concert with Sith forces. Straight 1v1 duels with force users of or above his level would have been a relative rarity.
I confuse Darth Malak with Darth Malgus a lot of times
as a kid, i couldnt tel these two appart
@6:08
I'm sorry, I know that's official Malak art. But can anyone honestly tell me, that doesn't look like Temuera Morrison? When I just looked at it, I realized... that looks like Temuera Morrison. The Skin tone for the top of his head and his face don't even match, either.
Do you think you could kick up the volume of your videos a notch or two? It kinda sucks getting blasted by ads when you least expect it.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video. I do have one question though, Jensaarai1: You argue that Malgus' armor is likely resistant to force lightning, due to his role as a Darth and thus a part of the games of Sith Politics. Can you provide us with a reference to back up that it had this resistance?
This speaks to his prowess, but not that singular detail. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a major gamechanger, and the fight would be ludicrously close either way. I just wonder what the reference for this detail is.
I am not saying it isn't. I am just asking if it is purely speculation and deduction, or if there is a referable lore source for it.
Mace Windu vs Corran Horn
Nice job. I think malgus wouldn't have too much trouble.
I've been trying to get grey jedi to answer this but it's been a couple months and he hasn't responded. Could plagueis have healed darth krayt's vong infestation?
Also I think a really good matchup would be tpm maul vs kao cen darach, or maybe ventress.
Jensaarai, what do you think about using Orgus Din in your vs series? I think he would be fair competition for Lucien Draay or Kit Fisto.
my 2 favorite sith...pitted against one another.
You mean Rosh Penin vs Kylo Ren ?
@Brenn Tantor
Rosh stomps Kylo lol. Also neither of those two are sith.
Gosh darnit!
and both sucked lol
2 uploads in a week :-)
Any hints as to what your next video will be?
unrelated and probably better with another video, but it seems to me that the lightsaber combat forms are not complete in them selves and that they build off each other in order. form one provides the basics and tunes one to the currents of the force. form two takes the fundamentals of form one and refines them in to more controlled and measured techniques using only the minimal action required. form three takes the prior two forms and forms a defensive measure to be applied with them. with these three you already have a complete yet simple form using the basics of form one applied through 2 and 3 in tandem. the remaining 4 forms build on them. form 4 sets a more dynamic style to work with the field for more complex battles. form 5 takes the basics of 2 and 3 and works in active counters. form 6 seeks to take all of the prior disciplines as one and work in non lightsaber elements like physical or force attacks. and form 7 seeks to complete the personal style by breaking with form restrictions and applying them as needed by a complete fighter. i find it strange that forms are taken in independently from each other and that the jedi or sith for that matter would not focus on learning all the forms rather than just select forms. rather there personnel styles exhibit the tendency's from select forms that fit their style best. if i were in charge of setting the training regimens of the jedi i would have the trainees learn them each in order up to 6 with form 7 being reserved for the advanced trainees who chose to focus on combat primarily.
What is the videos and animation from? Source?
Every Djem So practitioners should clearly just get themselves power armor suits or mechanical exoskeletons with cortosis reinforcements or some other lightsaber resistant shit. It's clearly op as fuck. Why didn't the Sith empire just fuckin' hire someone like Tony Stark to build them an arsenal of Mandalorian Iron Man suits for their sith warriors? Answer me that one Mr. "Follower of the hidden truth".
I love this guy
LOVE IT SO MUCH!
Please do Kaox Krul vs Darth Sion
The Sith Marauders
Malgus' style seems very similar to Qui Gon's (mostly) grounded form IV of heavy hits - every move he makes is a devastating strike. The only difference is his physical attacks are even more powerful. He also clearly has a form V defense and counter attack. And he expertly uses force attacks when he can although never subtly. You won't beat him by brawling or with cheap parlor tricks. I knew he would win this one before I hit play. I have to agree with your assessment entirely.
So could it be said that the best way to describe Malgus, as a lightsaber duelist, is a Djem So specialist with a Juyo mindset?
hey, Jen.
where would you rank Atris and Kreia in the tier system?
Jensaari1 do you play Xbox games? Or are you to busy with making videos and or a job?
Is this a reupload? I thought I've seen this before..
Probs from my channel XD
Eeth Koth or Darth Maul vs Darth Sion
Koth or Maul both have a natural resistance to pain thanks to the crucitorn ability whereas Sion, well he just refuses to stay down. Who would win and endure the longest?
Now this is the kind of match that makes my blood boil in blood feud pleasure...
Who do you think would win, Darth Vader or Jedi Master Mara Jade Skywalker?
Vader without a doubt. Most of Mara's extra weapons are going to do next to nothing against him. Hes the more skilled+experienced duelist and outside of lightning on Mara, Vader does everything better. She can def contend but in the end, shes going to lose this one.
I would love to see em fight.! I think Malgus would win at the end, but again there is a reason why Malak was the leader of the Sith, even Sion was below Malak before he became The Lord Of Pain. I love em both 🙏
Agreed. In fact, my biggest regret with this video is that I presented it as too one-sided in favor of Malgus, when the truth is that Malak is a serious heavy hitter, and would easily be one of the most dangerous opponents that Malgus ever faced.
@@Jensaarai1 The fight would definitely not be easy. I think they're pretty much equel to each other, but i still think Malgus would win at the end, can't explain why, it's just a guess.
@@BuriedAlien-TRN242 As I see it, their offensive output and power levels are roughly equal, but Malgus is physically tougher and more defensively viable. They both dish it, but he's better at taking it.
@@Jensaarai1 Yeah i think u right 👍🙏
could u do darth bane vs darth caedus legacy of the force is great by the way
Considering the fact that Quinlan Vos fought and beat (let him live) Darth Tyranus once, do you believe this is something Vos is capable of doing a second time? It is known that Tyranus and his force lightning proved to be way too much for Vos to handle but I guess I'm more curious about a duel between these two. What do you think
that was part of canon which Jensaarai1 doesn't consider (which is for the better) Quinlan Vos never defeated count Dooku in legends and that was stupid anyway and for the record Jensaarai1 hates dark disciple so none of the logic is relevant in a proper story count Dooku would destroy Quinlan Vos
Please do Mace Windu Vs Obi Wan Kenobi
Mace Windu wins due to force abilities ultimately force crushing him, unless its the bullshit canon versions of said characters
I liked this one though I thought it was a foregone conclusion. Malgus is awesome.
Nice vid
What if Malak would use the force drain though? I'm quite sure that few seconds in the fight Malak would realise that he's weaker in the fight and that he needs a trump card, he would try to use every force power that he can to get through Malgus's defences, eventualy he would even use the force drain.
I doubt that malak would have enought time to concentrate, since malgus would just push on relentlessly, trying to chop malak to pieces ASAP, maybe if he were stunned for long enough time...
As we know, Malak stuns opponents to get himself time, or he just runs away to get himself time, I'm quite sure that he could do what I just said, especialy if he'd be losing.
I have to agree that Malgus would win, he's better in a lot of ways and what he's better at fully counters Malak, however I think even if Malgus makes a mistake he'll be fine
I thought Malak lost his jaw with a practice duel with Revan?
Kaox Krul vs Darth Sion :The Sith Marauders
Pong Krell vs Savage Opress maybe?
I also don't dig when people use art when he was Alek to demonstrate his ability as Malak. He was very different when he was the dark lord
A duel that would be good Darth revan vs Darth malgus
im not a revan fanboy but i think revan will come out the victor on that one, the fact that he was able to put up a fight against vitiate speaks volumes
Darth Vader and Starkiller vs Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidios
I feel as though taking Malak as Akaya leaving himself open to counterattack and repeating the same move over and over again is a bit of a reach. It’s an issue with turn-based games, and I imagine a more recently-depicted Malak would be far less passive. I know there’s very little material to consult with him, but I do feel that weakness was more made-up than genuinely evidenced.
Even though we’re taking him as a Juyo specialist, that almost necessitates mastery over very other form, and I think it would be a disservice to Malak, as a war veteran against Mandalorians at a time when vibroblades could contend with lightsabers, and later against Jedi, to think he didn’t have a capable defence.