When I listen to Oscar's responses to the texts written by Reeva to Oscar I get so disgusted at how clueless he is to his level of entitlement and his inability to perceive how self-centered he is. I wonder why she continued to stay with him. I am so sick of men killing women. I am so sick of the attitude men have toward women. The one good thing that is coming out of this terrible murder is that it is touching people around the world, and we are all getting to see and feel the attitudes of others regarding the treatment of women. The more I learn about Reeva, the more I believe she was the epitome of femininity, sweetness, and just an all around lovely person, yet she ended up with four bullets tearing at her body and head. If ever a person deserved to be treasured and treated graciously, she is an example of that person. I do not mean she was better or more deserving than any of the other women who get murdered, but we get to see this relationship under a microscope in front of the entire world. I hope men will look at the woman that loves them and just appreciate her and that love. I also hope women who are being treated badly by any man, even if he is a superstar, gets out of an abusive relationship with their life and dignity intact. I would love to see the language that belittles women, the movies that view them as little more than whores, and anything that depicts a woman as someone less than worthy of respect and love come to an end. At least something good will have come out of this tragedy.
Oscar's friend and ex girlfriend say he shoots through a car sunroof in anger.Oscar asks a friend to take the blame for him shooting a gun in a posh restaurant . Oscar kills girlfriend. When does Oscar take responsibility for his actions?
On April 9, session 5, 41:16 -41:20 O.P. testifies, "THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE FAN WAS WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED", evidence from Oscar Pistorius that the "ACCIDENT" started in the bedroom. The statement happened so quickly that Prosecutor Nell did not catch it. Photo evidence at trial showed "BLOOD SPLATTER" on the bedroom carpet and on the duvet.
It’s absolutely pathetic to listen this whimpering example of a “man”. Oscar is a self-centred, immature, narcissistic, insecure and jealous whimp of an individual. Reeva seemed to be a bubbly, friendly and engaging person, Oscar certainly did not deserve anyone like her. RIP beautiful lady.
I truly believe that the Judge had the hots for Oscar. She repeatedly protected Oscar whenever Prosecutor Nel was crucifying him. I agree that her sentencing was ridiculous!!!
YOU GO NEL! *As macabre as it may sound:* when Pistorius says he simply wanted to "protect her" he's not even lying. He wanted to _protect her from a life without him._ If he can't have her, nobody else will. And that alone makes this trial so challenging - because of his twisted intentions, he's able to show true emotions - able to apologize. Pistorios is not your typical murderer. He's more like this egocentric half-god.
Like thinking he could get away with it? Well, Nel is doing a great job: tearing down his ego bursting his bubble letting him know that he's no half-god and the longer this trial goes on hopefully OP can come clean but somehow i have gut feeling he is too self centered to ever admit murdering Reeva intentionally. I wouldn't think this trial is anymore challenging than what Nel has experienced in the past with all his accolades, etc. He is quite the prosecutor in his own right.
***** not at all but when one has houseguests it's a place where they're likely to be during the night so I find it incredibly hard to believe O P really thought it was an intruder.
I could never be a Judge because you have to really, really listen. My mind would be wandering about my grocery list, weekend plans, etc. Props to my lady.
At 1:39.56 " I did not have time to think; the fire arm went off [at Taashas]." This was his same explanation when he shot Reeva. It's never his fault. This excuse he thinks exonerates him from taking responsibility.
He's not clueless he's knows exactly what hs sociopathic ways are dealing with. A normal loving person is a threat and he should he wiped off this planet
Oscar cannot be as petrified by the prospect of break-ins that he maintains. He tells us that he left his balcony doors open until about 3:am while he and Reeva were sleeping. The posited "intruders" could just as easily have propped their ladders against the balcony proper. Not only that, but by having the fans running between where he and Reeva were sleeping and this possible entry point, he was significantly reducing his chances of hearing "them" coming.
this session contains some incredible testimony, especially concerning the tasha`s restaurant incident. OP testifies repeatedly that, although the glock pistol cannot discharge without someone pulling the trigger, it was not he who pulled the trigger! this is absolutely amazing - even more so considering that he makes the EXACT same claim regarding his killing reeva steenkamp: in both instances, he states "I didn`t have time to think", and in both instances, he cannot recall having discharged the weapon himself! this is simply incredulous and clearly shows, in my humble view, one thing: that the accused oscar pistorius is -in both instances- lying. in both instances, there is no other way to shoot than by consciously pulling the trigger. mr pistorius in in a state of complete denial...this should nail this case.
Because of the death of his mother at age 16, I am sure many women have given him a pass when he would act like a jerk. They would feel sorry for him. I believe he has used that to manipulate women. Listen to how everything is about him.
***** I'm with you. His story is so unbelievable. I don't believe his story about how Reeva how behaved during the "break-in." As I have said, I have had an intruder in my house, and I made sure I knew where all three of my children were at all times. It makes me sick that he is making himself out to be a hero holding the weapon between the fake intruder and Reeva. Jodi Arias did the same thing. She said she rushed the woman to try to get Travis out of the house. I love watching trials.
The former Paralympian was denied parole on Friday because he did not yet serve the required half of his sentence for the murder of Reeva Steenkamp. JOHANNESBURG - A legal expert said Oscar Pistorius's parole hearing shouldn't have taken place if he wasn't eligible yet.1 Apr 2023
If he starts that whiny voice every time he gets his feet put to the fire, I will believe him to be nothing more than a manipulative, arrogant man who is on an ego trip. Notice how many times he says I and talks about his needs. Not only did he kill her he is now calling her a liar in the text she wrote him.
i can't believe things got so bad after just a few months together! i think oscar pistorius is guilty and reeva ran to the bathroom to escape him, i've done it myself fleeing from an angry boyfriend! what a monster!
billy millar You are correct. Men with ego or inferiority complex always have excuses for what they do. They say nasty things. How she put up with him is beyond me,did she feel sorry for him, wanted to boost his confidence. This he would see as being a tease. I feel that the woman he wanted to make a life with would have to be a prude ,not a woman of the world. Reeva says in a text to him. ' I never said I was a prude' H
That's another sign of guilt...someone who avoids eye contact in any situation is a clear sign of lying...body language experts will have had a field day analyzing him in court!
I think this is why he didn't want himself televised whilst being in witness box as he knew that the media would scrutinize him even harder then they are now...he's a coward and a selfish arrogant monster. Happy that Gerrie Nel is such a great prosecutor and has exposed him for the lying murderer he is.
pps1fan that's the correct way to address his answers by looking at the judge, it's not nel who needs to look into o.p eyes to see if he is credible but the judge... This is common place for addressing the court, has nothing to do with not be able to look at nel......
That's why she wanted to break up with him because he treated her so badly. But he couldn't have a beautiful woman dumping him because " I am Oscar and nobody leaves Oscar." If Oscar does not burn for this then we are all in hell.
~when GN confronts him at 21:00 with the constant "I had to...." OP actually says: "my lady, I had things to, I had training in the morning, I had plans that day"..... I forgot just how bad he was on the stand. can't imagine his true self not being exposed during his evaluation.
*WHY did Oscar apologize to Reeva's family?* written 4/10/14 (4:09 pm) Prosecutor Gerrie Nel asked Oscar WHY he APOLOGIZED to Reeva's family in front of everybody? My take is..... *Maybe Oscar's CONSCIENCE kicked in!* Also, I KNOW that Oscar is VERY sorry that he KILLED Reeva because REALITY is setting in. Now Oscar has to DEAL WITH some VERY TOUGH ISSUES. Inasmuch, REALITY has TAUGHT Oscar that KILLING PEOPLE and getting AWAY with it, is (NOT) as easy as being RICH, FAMOUS and DISABLED!
"I never got the chance to tell her I loved her, instead I loved her to Death!" Another whining day yet Reeva's family has been stoic thru out thus entire trial. My heart goes out to them!
I apologize for what I wrote about Nel so far. Apart from the burst pumpkin or watermelon touch which was inappropriate and unforgivable in front of Reeva's family, he is GOOD !
I think the intent of that was to bring a bit of balance to where it was heading.... Even I, who do not know much about his past started to get a feeling that he PROBABLY might not have harmed anyone on purpose due to the Character evidence which was built the previous day.... It was just a reminder of what they are in court for, to bring a sense of reality and seriousness as to what he had done and how GRAVE it is.... Not to explain how he helped disabled ppl in the past and blah blah blah... and act as if he did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong and shot only in self defense..... The image took everyone by shock and the world will now realize the GRAVITY of what he had done... put things in perspective..... Might have been an overkill but I think even Reeva's mom agreed it was necessary......
As rude and cruel as it is, it's the job of the prosecutor to not treat him like the little boy he wants to act like at times in this case.. . Nel has an amazing point in asking him why he chose to do the apology for the first time in the middle of court. "I didn't think it was appropriate to apologize". . . She says: "you pick on me incessantly", but that doesn't really mean that I ever pick on her. "I got short with her", but he never has... Pathetic.
Oskar lügt gleich zu Beginn. (0:00 - 0:50) Er war nicht alleine mit Reeva. Frank, der Gärtner und Hausekeeper, war auch im Haus. Er behauptet jedoch, er habe geschlafen.
28:34 begins an interesting exchange for 3 minutes. Oscar is clutching at straws. Nel is quite the professional, definitely staying in control. And does not miss a beat. The look on the faces of Reeva's family shows disbelief and they are unmoved during this. Her Mom especially, in a news interview has said exactly that ! Read the full text mess from Reeva shown on the screen 35:57 it is a huge insight into the real OP !
Carrie Aldighieri You are aware Reeva's family has stated they have not decided if Oscar is guilty of intentional murder or of accidental killing of their daughter?
The problem with deciding guilt or innocence of any accused person for most people is they use their emotions rather than their common sense. I have said the following on another thread but here it goes again. I have watched all of this trial so far. Prior to the trial I knew who OP was and I heard he had shot his girlfriend but basically I knew nothing before I started watching the trial. I can only look at evidence presented including OP's version of events. I have placed myself best I can in his scenario. I have also asked several female friends their opinion (who know nothings about the trial): Scenario: I wake up at 3am and my husband is getting out of bed heading towards the balcony door. I quietly slip out of bed to use the bathroom. As I enter the bathroom, starting to enter the toilet area I hear my husband yell, "Marla! There is an intruder! Call the police!". I would run into the nearest area I can lock myself into- the toilet area! I run in lock the door. I am very scared as I hear my husband say this again as his voice get's closer to me! I think my husband is following the intruder into the bathroom where I am! I am staying very quiet! I can't phone the police! The intruder is right there and will know where I am! Do people understand the fight or flight reaction all humans have? Do people understand this entire event happened within moments where time for rational and deliberate thought was lost?
Ciaran Healy- My using the words "husband"/"wife" was merely a choice of words. For YOUR benefit, insert "girlfriend"/"boyfriend". This does not change the scenario at all. As far as your scenario, where is the evidence they were arguing? Where is any evidence at all that their relationship was just a violent turmoil of a mess that would lead to this? As I stated before, you MUST have evidence. You can not convict someone on your emotions.
Yes? and? The prosecution has admitted in 4 months of tens of thousands of text messages they could only locate 4 texts where there were harsh words between them. Again, who hasn't shared harsh words with a BF or husband via text. I sure have. Doesn't mean they are in a violent, volatile relationship. There was nothing caustic presented in evidence about the relationship.
Once again I just cannot believe that Oscar is claiming that he did not even have his finger on the trigger when that gun went off in the restaurant. While it is obvious that his strategy is to completely avoid any scenarios which can portray him as reckless (pulling the trigger in a restaurant would be reckless) does he not realize that he is then asking the judge to believe that a supernatural event caused either the hammer to pull back on its own and fire the bullet or the bullet to go off as a result of high heat that caused the gunpowder to explode without the fuse being hit. In other words, does he not realize that by avoiding looking reckless, he has made himself look like a liar, which is TEN TIMES worse, since being caught lying is all the judge will need to convict him.
It is pretty crazy. I think if a gun went off without pulling trigger, you would be stunned and want to know why, and talk to people about it. But if you pulled the trigger, thinking it wasn't loaded, of course you understand why it went off and have no reason to talk to anyone about it.
This will be his downfall in the end and I'm glad. The fact that he has pleaded not guilty to all charges exposes him for what he really is. According to him, he has done NOTHING wrong. Shooting his gun out of a sunroof never happened (2 witnesses are lying), the gun in the restaurant went off by itself (miraculous event), and he shot 4 times at Reeva "without thinking" or meaning to shoot anyone. So nothing is his fault really. It shows the arrogance of the man, and speaks volume for his character. How he sits there on the stand and lies in that innocent school boy tone grinds me like you cant believe, and he deserves to be locked up before someone else gets killed (due to no fault of his own of coarse,)
Not happy with blowing lovely Reeva's brains out, he now wants to assassinate her character as well in front of the whole world. Shameless coward. My prayers are for her family.
At ANY time, had OP been genuinely afraid of an intruder (WHAT intruder breaks into a house fortified with alarms dogs and in a 24 hour guarded security development only to HIDE IN THE BATHROOM???) he could have retrieved Reeva and gone out the front door of his house to safety. OP's FIRST call was to a female attorney friend of his, not to emergency services and he told the guard who did call that everything was fine. But the BIGGEST mistake OP made with this ridiculous implausible intruder BS is, at no time did he ever try to ascertain where Reeva was before he fired FOUR SHOTS through the door. They had been arguing (correction; he was fighting Reeva was trying to calm him down) about texts/emails Reeva had received from an ex, the soccer player.
Meesha1231 . and thought he could get away with it because he believes he is a massive enough star to dodge the bullet that poor Reeva couldn't. I really hope My Lady can see right through him and that Reevas parents and family get the justice Reeva deserves.
This man did not kill Reeva intentionally. I am not sure what the people posting comments base their judgement of OP's guilt. I am an American and used to the American judicial system where proof of guilt MUST be presented by the State beyond a reasonable doubt. I have watched every minute of this trial and I have found so much reasonable doubt already. I try to keep reminding myself to keep my mind open to his possible guilt. But each day I watch this court proceeding I am more convinced than not in his innocence. People say: Why didn't he hear her scream after the first shot? If he was doing all that hollering "Reeva! Call the Police! Someone is in the house!", why didn't she say something? Why did she lock the toilet room door? I have asked many women this question: If you got up to go to the bathroom at 3 am and your husband was heading to the open balcony area to bring in a fan last you saw him and next thing you hear is him screaming there is an intruder, what would you do? Everyone agrees. I would think my husband encountered the intruder on the balcony. I would think if I was already near the toilet room door, I would run in there, lock the door and remain quiet. The first shot I might not scream for fear the intruder would come and do worse.
Ok...I just watched the coverage 1:30 about count 3. Oscar is guilty of count three! A gun does not magically discharge like a rabbit in a hat! Dude didn't think his story through. He looks stupid on this one.
I cant understand why it didnt cross his mind that it could be Reeva in the bathroom when he heard noise as she was awake at the time going by his evidence, so it was easily possible. Also if he thought she was in bed, he could of asked her or felt for her as he was in the bedroom when he first heard noise.
We can all be arm-chair quarterbacks as outsiders looking in. However, let me offer this to your thoughts about why he didn't check the bed first or first think of that maybe it was Reeva in the bathroom. This man has a physical disability. I do not have one. I can only imagine, which isn't fair, but that's all I can do. How vulnerable must a physically disabled person feel when faced with perceived danger- as in this case? I would think much like a person blind in one eye can still drive and such because the other eye compensates- to a limited degree. So, I would think his adrenaline began at the second he heard a noise. In a very dark room shadows were his only vantage point. Did he over react? Maybe. Did his vulnerability lead to hyper-fear? Probably. His mind was in fight or flight mode immediately.
Chris Cooper Yeah, you know, sometimes try turning on the lights when you hear a noise in a dark space.. Might give the intruder enough pause to spare Oscar extra time to think after he thinks to reach for his gun.
He needed someone to take care of him, pamper him , do whatever he wanted and that`s it, what a CONTROL FREAK no wonder she had a pass code on her phone ,,thank god she did....he`s a pathological liar......lie ,lie then lie some more,,wow everybody else is the liar not HIM...
It is amazing isn't it. Yet he claims he can remember where every small object was placed that night....that's why he just knows the crime scene had been 'tampered with'.
Carrie Aldighieri Law caught up to him again and now his in jail.Its always like that, once you get away with the first crime then you'd feel like OJ and commit another.
Why did she not leave? Was the money and HIS fane maybee a way to get her struggling career on track? What he did was not right, but she had all the time in the world to leave him.
*I TOTALLY AGREE to NO GUM on camera and another thing....* written 4/10/14 (3:31 pm) I agree that there should be absolutely NO GUM on camera because it does NOT look good. However, it SEEMS as though Oscar was VERY RUDE to Reeva in the WAY in which he told her to NOT chew gum and that's why Reeva commented the way that she did, thus saying on her what's up message, that Oscar has PICKED on her incessantly. IF Oscar would have told Reeva in a LOVING manner NOT to chew gum, then Reeva would have been able to appreciate Oscar looking out for her because it DOES make HER look better when she is NOT chewing gum. Also, the part about Oscar being upset when he was NOT introduced. I can TOTALLY understand that too. IF you are a WOMAN and is with the MAN who you are dating and then you SUDDENLY walk up to ANOTHER MAN and start conversing and acting as if YOUR boyfriend is INVISIBLE, then that WOULD make a person mad. So, I understand Oscar's anger in regard to that situation but it's about HOW you handle your anger when it comes. HOW Oscar handled his anger is what was critiqued.
reeva DID introduce him..he went off and expected her to follow him..when she finished talking to her friends husband, she went to oscar and stroked his neck to reassure him, and he pulled away and brushed her off in front of everyone...he then said "we are leaving", even though she wanted to stay..he is a pouty little rat..a very, very nasty piece of work...
I hope everyone who's interested in this trial is able to watch this on ESPN3 -- they've got the BEST quality signal -- they're re-streaming the Oscar Pistorius Trial Channel. For viewers in North America, or anyone outside of South Africa, for that matter, ESPN3 is the channel of choice. ESPN is the property of ABC networks, so you'll have to go through go.com -- espn.go.com -- good luck.
A GLOCK pistol has no external safety lever, that is standard for all Glock caliber weapons. Glock does not make single action pistols, it does not make revolvers or rifles. I own 2 Glock pistols, one in 10mm and another in .357SIG. It is a double action pistol which can NEVER go off by itself. It cannot even be discharged with a light pull of the trigger, has to be a full 4 lbs trigger force. It is a standard police weapon in 9mm and .40S&W calibers always in the holster with a round IN THE CHAMBER. The intrinsic safety is it's internal double action therefore it is 100% safe unless it is roasted on a fire. Although all other pistols do have external safety levers, single or double action . OP should have done his homework before testifying, he's simply digging his own grave. I feel bad for him. Jackson, Mississippi.
tiffsaver i agree with you, sir. But accidents do happen even with the most experienced of us, sometimes due to overconfidence, other times due to carelessness. But with O.P discharging a Glock in a restaurant without touching the trigger and then continuing to lie about it with such conviction, under oath, just nullifies any benefit of doubt in his favor on the night of Reeva's death. Now there is no reason left to believe his version. In hindsight, had there been another person in the house that night, maybe a friend that was visiting, I'm positive OP would have put the blame squarely on that person. Maybe even killed the poor visitor after killing Reeva so as to not have a living witness left. And then told the cops that the visitor killed Reeva and then in self defense, he killed the visitor. Just as he said he was upset at his friend's negligence who handed him the Glock loaded. The friend probably handed him the pistol with a full clip but an empty chamber, then macho man OP pulls the slide, one now in the chamber and pulls the trigger....and BANG!! Followed by Operation Cover-Up, Blame-Game, etc. But in my humble opinion, the remaining days of the trial after his GLOCK lie is simply prolonging his public trial. The prosecution could have wrapped up the trial that day itself. Every sane person knows he killed her in a fit of rage. I am a holder of a gun permit + concealed carry (CCW). Not including my big game to dangerous game rifles, I have two Glocks- .357sig & 10mm, a .357mag Rhino rev, a Dan Wesson 1911 .45acp, a Ruger .44rem mag SBH single action rev, a Desert Eagle .50AE pistol-it's a gas operated single action unlike the 1911 single action, a AK-47 handgun(short barrel and no stock) Yugo M92 PAP. Point I'm trying to make is that these are all different calibers and different mechanisms- which you being a gun owner yourself, are fully aware. If OP had said the same lie about an unlocked 1911 pistol, it could have been believable. Not just that, although here in the U.S., the 9mm used in Reeva's death is not itself considered a big round but along with .40S&W, it is standard law enforcement issue. But when you use jacketed Hollow Point ammo, at close range x multiple shots especially the Black Talon kind (which I've never used or even seen first hand), it's a game changer altogether. Your self defense purpose or intention goes straight outa the window!! It becomes purely and wholely destructive in purpose. Then of course, there is basic and advanced training which tells you that you may never use a .50 Cal or even .44 RemMag for self defense (unless you are being robbed by an armed Grizzly bear)....and many many other things I can't list here. When you use a gun in self defense, it is only after you have confirmed that the other guy is an imminent threat, he is armed with a gun- of which you have made a 100% visual confirmation unless he is reaching for a concealed one, then is preparing to use that gun on you, and you despite being armed and trained, do not have time to run or call 911 before he takes you down. Even before you draw your own weapon, you try to reason with him first if you think that would help defuse the situation. Some of those measures are very individual and subjective but will go a long ways to save your ass from prosecution later on, if you did indeed happened to kill the attacker. Most of this INFO I've given here is for those folks with no handgun training or those who have never owned or handled a firearm or people living in countries where legal guns are rare. Although here in the United States most of it is common knowledge. In a nutshell, Reeva was murdered and OP is screwed. Jackson, Mississippi.
tiffsaver There is more than enough circumstantial + conclusive evidence to prove OP's guilt that we can hardly comment on, that's the lawyers job. We can just talk about the firearms and ballistics part. Besides the above, I've performed & assisted in several Forensic autopsies myself as part time Medical Examiner earlier when I lived in Ohio- from gunshot wounds, rape, drowning, burns, poisoning, strangulation although now I'm a full-time M.D. physician treating "living" patients. I've posted my observations on her death and also corroborated the testimonies of a couple of state witnesses who deposed before the Hon. Judge that Reeva's scream were heard briefly even after the last, fatal head shot. The defense counsel Mr. Roux scoffed at that possibility thereby implying that the witness was not reliable. But if you go to the videos of the initial week of the trial, you'll see my comments when you scroll down a bit. Jackson, Mississippi.
perikaveera My three all-time favorite autopsy mysteries are Bruce Lee, Marilyn Monroe, and JFK. Care to elaborate your theories from a forensics standpoint?
They might be, or it could be their second language, with the first language being afrikaans-which is very close to dutch and might explain the european sounding accent. I agree with you though, I've always thought south africans sound sort of australian
A GUILTY person and one that CONTINUES TO LIE, will always choose to say “I don’t remember”. This lengthy WhatsApp message is in my opinion a clear indication of how dodgy and toxic their relationship was specifically because of Oscar. His issues and behaviour was the problem and everything in the message points to her being victimised and Oscar being the dominant one. The other important fact here is that this message was sent only two weeks before Reeva’s death. I truly believe that she went to Oscar that fateful evening to end their relationship, and he became enraged and confrontational, an argument ensued, and this caused her to try and leave his residence. He snapped, chased her to the toilet, and we all know what happened! There’s NO WAY that a vulnerable person, especially a disabled one & a coward, would decide to approach an extremely dangerous situation. In addition to that and in the situation, surely he would have asked Reeva if she had also heard a noise from the bathroom. His version is not even close to improbable, it’s non existent, it never happened that way and he knows it. He should be in prison for the rest of his life!! RIP Reeva ❤️❤️❤️.
The bald gentleman behind Prosecutor Nel can’t even bear to look at Oscar, he is so disgusted with his lies, deceitfulness and narcissistic ways. A clear and accurate picture of how pathetic Oscar’s overall character and his disturbing personality! I feel so much for Reeva’s parents, it must be so incredibly painful that this pathetic individual took their beloved daughter’s life. RIP Reeva.
41:38 Look at the length of time it took Oscar to answer that question, obviously just made up his answer there and then, Nel should of said and what accents were these and for what show? mind you we all know what the answer would of been in that pathetic grovelling voice..."I'm not sure my lady."
Pistorious, what a manipulative man. He changes his speech with the aim of confusing and deviating the questioning. A technique that many passive abusive people use. He is also a pathological narcissist, it is all about him. He is a wolf disguised as a lamb. Doesn't fool me for a second. Guilty as hell!
This asshole based on the way he answer/dodging the questions and make it difficult for the prosecutor sound to me he's 100% guilty. If he have nothing to hide...he should not have nothing to worry about and speak naturally and honestly. The fact that he makes it difficult says it all. Also a lot of things don't make sense. Let's just say he never seen his gf head to the bathroom (let's give him that), who the hell would just head to the bathroom with a gun without confirming that she's still in the bed? Every human being would say something like "honey, did you hear that?" "i heard a sound in the bathroom." This would confirm that your gf is with you before you head to the bathroom to investigate (if you truly care about her). He clearly did not do that and can't invent a story like this because that would confirm she's with him. Also, if you have gun with you, what the hell are you afraid of?? And if you see the robber is in the bathroom door closed...you would have turned on the light and wait and ask who's inside. And why the hell a robber want to hide inside a toilet lol stupid and locked LOL. And why would you shoot without asking who's inside? Any human would say...."who's inside?" when holding a gun. And clearly he realize if he said that, his gf would reply to him...so he can't invent that story. All these tell me this fool is a fucking liar. I think they had a big argument and she was scared of him and go inside the bathroom. He threatened to shoot her and he did with 4 rounds ....whether he intend to just hurt her or killed her..i don't know but clearly he doesn't care at that point due to absolute anger.
maybe he was a victim of some type of home invasion and he wasn't thinking clearly maybe he killed her knowing, the brain can do tricky things when fear is involved, fear starts out as a reflex signal in the brain. The signal travels to the amygdala - a region near the base of the brain. The amygdala fires a brain chemical called glutamate out into two other regions of the brain. The first region makes us freeze or involuntarily jump. These reactions are so automatic because the signal is sent deep into the base of the brain to an area that we have little control over. The second signal is sent to the hypothalamus and triggers our autonomic nervous system - the system responsible for the fight or flight instinct - when our bodies go into superman mode. It elevates our heart rate and blood pressure and pumps adrenaline throughout our bodies. That's the rush you feel when scared. Read more: www.businessinsider.com/our-brain-chemistry-when-we-get-scared-2013-10#ixzz2zDzfhH00
***** if he has a brain defect its enough for one of those to happen. innocence doesn't guarantee freedom in a broken legal system nor does guilt guarantee justice,
At the outset I had OP down as a privileged, spoilt, arrogant, self-centred rich boy (I already had a poor opinion of him from some of his sporting antics before this happened.) A lot of what we have heard during the trial also portrays him this way; a guy who is used to having what he wants and doing whatever he please (e.g. firing guns in public.) Who would even brandish a gun in a restaurant let alone fire it? But the more I follow this and think about it, the more I am convinced that this was a tragic accident. Being an arrogant, spoiled, self centred and obnoxious prick is light-years away from being a murderer. In the absence of conclusive evidence this case will rely heavily on how OP's character is portrayed. There are very few people in this world who would be capable of firing four bullets at someone who was trying to hide from them, even under the most extreme provocation; if Nel is to prove that OP is one of those people he will need to do better than immature antics in a car, irresponsible behaviour in a restaurant and a few crusty text messages. I think we are looking at manslaughter with a suspended sentence here.
Neil Justin You sound as deluded as Oscar is. Oscar murdered his girlfriend and what you are seeing played out before your eyes, is a spoilt brat whose parents did not teach him how to take responsibility for his actions. The man's alibi is riddled with inconsistencies and now he's trying to convince the world that the police moved the duvet, the curtains and the fans. In addition, he asserts that he didn't intend to shoot at the person/intruders in the bathroom, which is utter bullshit. As I've previously this clown makes Walter Mitty look credible.
Neil Justin He enjoys the destruction that guns can cause to brain like matter. It's the mark of a degenerate individual. Ignore the implications all you want, and try to convince yourself that Oscar is the placid, loving, blameless victim he is portraying on the stand. The courtroom laughed out loud at his preposterous lies today and you're just eating it all up.
***** NEIL JUSTIN: Why did he not shoot up his noisy washing machine when he went into combat mode the night he tweeted about? If he yelled, the washing machine would not have talked back and that would have been a prowler for sure. Shoot to kill. That's what that loser did. ROT OP
***** If you read my post again I said he was an arrogant, spoiled, self centred and obnoxious prick. I also said this didn't make him a murderer, and I'll stand by that comment. You may be swept away by the mood of the moment following Gerrie Nel's attempts at shock tactics and character assassination; let's see what the judge thinks...
The text Reeva sent him pretty much says it all. He comes across as a bully who can snap and that night it got too much and they had an argument and he ended up shooting her through the bathroom door where she ran into after an argument.
Nel: "Why would she be scared of you"? Oscar: "She is scared of the feelings she had for me" Nel: "SHE IS SCARED OF WHAT"? Like really Oscar...Even a 5year old kid can come up with a better explaination than that #dissapointed
All these incidents that OP was involved in regarding his fire arms it finally all caught up with him on the final kudo gra with the killing of Reeva . R.l.P. Dear lady.
OMW... did he just say "I'm trained to make a firearm safe before passing it to someone"... but he discharges 4 rounds into a closed door by mistake... if this were a jury trial he would be screwed I think.
Oscar canot take responsibility for anything, the judge must of been payed off to give him the lightest sentance possible concidering the damning evidence about his character, or lack of, nothing alse makes sense. Now she must do the right thing and lock him away for 25 years.
He said the same thing when describing firing the shot at Tashas`s as he did about shooting through the door that night. "I did not have time to think". Yeah, right! *eyeroll*
Nel is brilliant. Just let him go on and on and on and on Never Being Wrong. Oh. My God. By the end of this session, I want to jump through the screen and strangle him. Not even because he's a relentless liar, but because he is an unspeakably tiresome bully, nag, self-pitying, self-regarding slippery narcissist fraud. That poor child was just trying to get out of this. She must have suddenly realized that she couldn't subject herself to any more of him.. She was trying to do the right thing, stop hitting her head against a brick wall, and get back to the people who loved her. She realized no one could convince him to feel secure *in himself* no matter how they tried.
In fact, one could say that, in his slippery narcissistic way, he's *transferring* the insecurity he felt in himself in a love relationship to a claim that it was insecurity for his *person* that caused his actions. A really accomplished liar and self-deceiver will keep to the framework of truth as much as possible.
well nice pattern by oscar pistorius when he explains that there was a shot but his hand was not on the trigger.. wow magic shot ... this guy denies everything which is so obvious... jesus christ... how can this guy do comments like that? and how can anyone believe this guy?
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 1 Perhaps Gerrie Nel should read "The characteristics of a sagittarius man" ... he would save the court a lot of time :)
Nick Harris Narcissistic personality disorder. Total void of real empathy for anyone other than self. Shame in early childhood, shallow sense of self. Cannot stand criticism, but can dole it out! Cannot get close to anyone, so blows hot and cold in intimate relationships. Uses people as 'supply'. Emotional abuse to those close, and really nice to everyone else. Wears a mask in public. Charms all those who are not close. Different behind closed doors.
This man is sick!! What a COWARD! Could he not use words to communicate with Reeva rather than his gun??? I hope he gets what he deserves and feels the fear and pain he inflicted on that poor girl for the rest of his pathetic life in prison. It saddens me what he did to her and he should NOT be walking around resuming his life as if Reeva's life didn't matter. May justice prevail!
Nels is questioning OP on the texts messages between himself and Reeva. It is not very smart of Oscar to call Reeva a liar. It shows his lack of ability to show remorse and own up to his mistakes with her. He blames the victim and his true colors came flying through..."It's all about what OP needs and wants."
Pistorius testified to not knowing the Kendrick Lamar song - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe or if it was even a Kendrick Lamar song. But. If that was true how would he have known how to respond in his reply to Reeva's statement " I am not some other bitch you may know trying to kill your vibe "; If as he claims he didn't know the song he would not have known what she was talking about or how to respond. But OP knows exactly how to reply to RS 'kill your vibe' statement and say's " I asked Martian to put on that Kendrick Lamar Album in the car 'and I don't know it', granted that was a shut song but you could've just lent forward and whispered in my ear to change it _ scene I had to drive to pick up your friend _" (what picking up her friend has to do with changing the song is anybodies guess). It's clear that OP knew very well what she meant by 'kill his vibe' because he responded to it. Kendrick Lamar - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe. watch?list=RDGF8aaTu2kg0&v=GF8aaTu2kg0 Edit: Also what I found interesting was around 1:39:40 how OP spontaneously states "I didn't have time to think" when referring to pulling the trigger at the restaurant.
This is so different than in the US. The prosecutor would never show such bias, "you are all about yourself." They bring in witnesses to prove someone's character.
Totally unrelated to Oscars being guilty or not of murdering Reeva : i feel that making such a deal of perfecty normal exchanges between twenty somethings at the beginning of a relationship is absurd. Everything is so petty and whatsapping as soon as something is not right, igives it a totally disproportioned importance and makes it all even more irrevelant to me. They had BOTH big egos. Reeva is no saint because she is very sadly dead, For instance I totally agree it is very rude to converse with someone without including and introducing the person you are with at a gathering. Be it a partner or a friend. Also all disagreements in any relationship are about one's needs and wants. It is not Oscar beeing so intolerant , its about finding balance at the beginning of a relationship . The prosecutor picks up at every single small thing which in real life it is not so relevant . Reeva is overly analytic about everything ( like most women - I am one ) and feels the need to type in a message everything she feels, thinks ... which I find annoying . There is a place and time to talk about issues in a relationship and sms and whatsapp are not appropriate to fix anything. I feel that the prosecutor is using very normal things against Oscar. Would Reeva be still alive all these conversations / arguments would look absolutely normal or at most not auspicable. They are both public figures with very demanding schedules and big egos so it must be even harder to find balance.
I rather like the way Nel is looking at Bad Runner, as if to say : we all know you've been lying through your teeth now try to answer my questions instead of saying the lines Mr Roux made you learn.
Yes it's merely how the judge is addressed. It has always been this way, Men are addressed as "my lord" and women as "my lady". Magistrates in lower courts are addressed as "your honour".
I feel sad for Oscar. It's a shame that such a tragedy occurred. Even if he did do it following an argument, he definitely regrets it now, whether that be because he got caught and now has to pay the consequences, or he deeply regrets it because he loved her and recklessly used his pistol to shoot her. Whichever way it is, it is terribly sad for all involved. Oscar will without a doubt serve a jail sentence. It's not nice seeing him squirm trying to get out of it all! But wouldn't anyone who was in that position or would you admit it for the sake of Reeva's family and Reeva? I think I would just have done with it and tell the truth out of respect for Reeva and her family. It seems Oscar only cares about the consequences of his words for himself, and him only. Such a sad and tragic event all round.
That is so true Carmen he need to stop all these explanations that doesn't make sense and just admit of what he has done the more he drags it the more torture he goes through, he killed her there's no explanations will change that
i want to think it was a tragic accident, but, everything is so improbable ....the gun in the restaurant, why blame the owner? he did acknowledge he was wrong, but, he stuck in, HE shouldnt have done something so unsafe, rubbed me the wrong way we now have a dead girl thats future was so promising, her family/his, all the friends, ....ppl everywhere and why?? for what reason???
It's all about him, he's the focus of the relationship and Reeves is just an add on to his very important life. He should have thought himself lucky she was even with him.
He "picked on her incessantly" according to her. He is clearly defensive and in denial, trying to paint a caring picture of himself because he knows he's guilty of her murder after a row on the night in question.
He closed the drapes with the blackout lining that prevents light entering the room although with the fan situated behind the drapes in the doorway and blowing the curtains that would have produced outside light entering the bedroom for visibility. He also stated a bed side lamp was on. At this point he doesn’t have his prosthetic’s on. Still, his bedroom is on the 2nd floor so how could someone enter the bathroom? Pistorius is paranoid, controlling, and selfish( hear him say about ‘me all the time”) by his own accounts of his testimony. Why didn’t he hear Reva screaming? Witnesses heard her. Why didn’t witnesses hear him shout Help? So he puts his prosthetic’s on then goes to the bathroom then returns to get the cricket bat! My house, my driveway, my bedroom, my bathroom, my, my, my, ......! He values HIS possessions
Thank You for taking the time to upload and post the videos of this trial in full. I appreciate all your work.
When I listen to Oscar's responses to the texts written by Reeva to Oscar I get so disgusted at how clueless he is to his level of entitlement and his inability to perceive how self-centered he is. I wonder why she continued to stay with him. I am so sick of men killing women. I am so sick of the attitude men have toward women. The one good thing that is coming out of this terrible murder is that it is touching people around the world, and we are all getting to see and feel the attitudes of others regarding the treatment of women. The more I learn about Reeva, the more I believe she was the epitome of femininity, sweetness, and just an all around lovely person, yet she ended up with four bullets tearing at her body and head. If ever a person deserved to be treasured and treated graciously, she is an example of that person. I do not mean she was better or more deserving than any of the other women who get murdered, but we get to see this relationship under a microscope in front of the entire world. I hope men will look at the woman that loves them and just appreciate her and that love. I also hope women who are being treated badly by any man, even if he is a superstar, gets out of an abusive relationship with their life and dignity intact. I would love to see the language that belittles women, the movies that view them as little more than whores, and anything that depicts a woman as someone less than worthy of respect and love come to an end. At least something good will have come out of this tragedy.
Oscar's friend and ex girlfriend say he shoots through a car sunroof in anger.Oscar asks a friend to take the blame for him shooting a gun in a posh restaurant . Oscar kills girlfriend. When does Oscar take responsibility for his actions?
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On April 9, session 5, 41:16 -41:20 O.P. testifies, "THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE FAN WAS WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED", evidence from Oscar Pistorius that the "ACCIDENT" started in the bedroom. The statement happened so quickly that Prosecutor Nell did not catch it. Photo evidence at trial showed "BLOOD SPLATTER" on the bedroom carpet and on the duvet.
He is insufferable! "Reeva was exaggerating, Reeva was lying..." What a horrible horrible coward. Makes my skin crawl!! Lock him up!
Same sensation here, shak. Total skin crawl. The mind of the narcissist, writ large in open court. It's grotesque.
yup now i know what "skin crawl" really means.
It’s absolutely pathetic to listen this whimpering example of a “man”. Oscar is a self-centred, immature, narcissistic, insecure and jealous whimp of an individual. Reeva seemed to be a bubbly, friendly and engaging person, Oscar certainly did not deserve anyone like her.
RIP beautiful lady.
Masipa should have been fired, she is an incompetent judge.
You are more qualified than her, in Law?
@@Mdange_KaTshiwo Her sentence was a disgrace to victims of domestic violence. Her decision was rightly overturned to 13.5 years.
@@vivavoice7211 Judgements get overtuned daily by Higher Courts... But it doesn't mean the initial judgement was wrong.
I truly believe that the Judge had the hots for Oscar. She repeatedly protected Oscar whenever Prosecutor Nel was crucifying him. I agree that her sentencing was ridiculous!!!
YOU GO NEL!
*As macabre as it may sound:* when Pistorius says he simply wanted to "protect her" he's not even lying. He wanted to _protect her from a life without him._
If he can't have her, nobody else will.
And that alone makes this trial so challenging - because of his twisted intentions, he's able to show true emotions - able to apologize.
Pistorios is not your typical murderer.
He's more like this egocentric half-god.
Like thinking he could get away with it?
Well, Nel is doing a great job:
tearing down his ego
bursting his bubble
letting him know that he's no half-god
and the longer this trial goes on hopefully OP can come clean
but somehow i have gut feeling he is too self centered to ever admit murdering Reeva intentionally.
I wouldn't think this trial is anymore challenging than what Nel has experienced in the past with all his accolades, etc. He is quite the prosecutor in his own right.
Blame it all on poor Reeva! She is dead...and he is blaming her, what a COWARD!!!
If you wake in the night and hear a noise in the bathroom, I would think it was my husband using the loo.
Thats the common sense that will end up convicting him.
dom dell Judges don't have common sense. UK judges certainly don't.
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stealing his aftershave?
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Unlikely but even if it's possible so what? He needed to ask "Reeva where are you?" before shooting with the intention to kill.
***** not at all but when one has houseguests it's a place where they're likely to be during the night so I find it incredibly hard to believe O P really thought it was an intruder.
I could never be a Judge because you have to really, really listen. My mind would be wandering about my grocery list, weekend plans, etc. Props to my lady.
I be thinking of what's on on television
At 1:39.56 " I did not have time to think; the fire arm went off [at Taashas]." This was his same explanation when he shot Reeva. It's never his fault. This excuse he thinks exonerates him from taking responsibility.
Better than any movie! The sad thing is it's real life.
He's not clueless he's knows exactly what hs sociopathic ways are dealing with. A normal loving person is a threat and he should he wiped off this planet
Nel is right, he is not taking responsibility for his mistake..
So glad Nel called him out on that vuglar fauxpology!
Oscar cannot be as petrified by the prospect of break-ins that he maintains. He tells us that he left his balcony doors open until about 3:am while he and Reeva were sleeping. The posited "intruders" could just as easily have propped their ladders against the balcony proper. Not only that, but by having the fans running between where he and Reeva were sleeping and this possible entry point, he was significantly reducing his chances of hearing "them" coming.
this session contains some incredible testimony, especially concerning the tasha`s restaurant incident. OP testifies repeatedly that, although the glock pistol cannot discharge without someone pulling the trigger, it was not he who pulled the trigger! this is absolutely amazing - even more so considering that he makes the EXACT same claim regarding his killing reeva steenkamp: in both instances, he states "I didn`t have time to think", and in both instances, he cannot recall having discharged the weapon himself! this is simply incredulous and clearly shows, in my humble view, one thing: that the accused oscar pistorius is -in both instances- lying. in both instances, there is no other way to shoot than by consciously pulling the trigger. mr pistorius in in a state of complete denial...this should nail this case.
The arrogance is astounding
***** yes I know from personal experience, which is why, etc...
Totally agree
lock the guy up...final
The woman to Nells left is a genius, she's guiding Nell throughout the questions.
Ms.Andrea Johnson and we are so proud of her
Because of the death of his mother at age 16, I am sure many women have given him a pass when he would act like a jerk. They would feel sorry for him. I believe he has used that to manipulate women. Listen to how everything is about him.
Notice how often he 'forgets' when it is convenient for him. I also should mention he gets a pass for both his celebrity and his disability.
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I'm with you. His story is so unbelievable. I don't believe his story about how Reeva how behaved during the "break-in." As I have said, I have had an intruder in my house, and I made sure I knew where all three of my children were at all times. It makes me sick that he is making himself out to be a hero holding the weapon between the fake intruder and Reeva. Jodi Arias did the same thing. She said she rushed the woman to try to get Travis out of the house. I love watching trials.
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I am looking forward to the continuation of the trial. I hope he is found guilty. I think "my lady" can see right through his lies.
I must say the prosecutor is really good.
The former Paralympian was denied parole on Friday because he did not yet serve the required half of his sentence for the murder of Reeva Steenkamp. JOHANNESBURG - A legal expert said Oscar Pistorius's parole hearing shouldn't have taken place if he wasn't eligible yet.1 Apr 2023
Nel is a "zombie stopper", so sharp at stopping the Zombie crap that OP talks in court.
If he starts that whiny voice every time he gets his feet put to the fire, I will believe him to be nothing more than a manipulative, arrogant man who is on an ego trip. Notice how many times he says I and talks about his needs. Not only did he kill her he is now calling her a liar in the text she wrote him.
exactly - you have completely summed him up so well
Eloquently Said!
i can't believe things got so bad after just a few months together! i think oscar pistorius is guilty and reeva ran to the bathroom to escape him, i've done it myself fleeing from an angry boyfriend! what a monster!
you judge him based on your past mistakes, you must be In the man haters club.
he will be judged by his god and by a court of law.
i'm not a man hater i just have an opinion which i expressed and am entitled to, that's all :)
p.s. i am a woman using my partners you tube account in case anyone was wondering lol
billy millar You are correct. Men with ego or inferiority complex always have excuses for what they do. They say nasty things. How she put up with him is beyond me,did she feel sorry for him, wanted to boost his confidence. This he would see as being a tease. I feel that the woman he wanted to make a life with would have to be a prude ,not a woman of the world. Reeva says in a text to him. ' I never said I was a prude' H
Caramello98 He wanted a mother a lover,and virgin Queen wrapped up all into one. I feel that his view in women is very low.
Please remember OP never once looked at Nel while under x examination , only at his lap or the Judge. This is a fact reported by those in court.
That's another sign of guilt...someone who avoids eye contact in any situation is a clear sign of lying...body language experts will have had a field day analyzing him in court!
I think this is why he didn't want himself televised whilst being in witness box as he knew that the media would scrutinize him even harder then they are now...he's a coward and a selfish arrogant monster. Happy that Gerrie Nel is such a great prosecutor and has exposed him for the lying murderer he is.
pps1fan that's the correct way to address his answers by looking at the judge, it's not nel who needs to look into o.p eyes to see if he is credible but the judge... This is common place for addressing the court, has nothing to do with not be able to look at nel......
steph, if that is the case why did other witnesses look at their x-examiner in the eye?
Nick Harris I don't think Steph realises that he isn't just addressing/answering the Judge it is the whole court...well that is what I think anyway!
That's why she wanted to break up with him because he treated her so badly. But he couldn't have a beautiful woman dumping him because " I am Oscar and nobody leaves Oscar." If Oscar does not burn for this then we are all in hell.
~when GN confronts him at 21:00 with the constant "I had to...." OP actually says: "my lady, I had things to, I had training in the morning, I had plans that day"..... I forgot just how bad he was on the stand. can't imagine his true self not being exposed during his evaluation.
*WHY did Oscar apologize to Reeva's family?*
written 4/10/14 (4:09 pm)
Prosecutor Gerrie Nel asked Oscar WHY he APOLOGIZED to Reeva's family in front of everybody?
My take is.....
*Maybe Oscar's CONSCIENCE kicked in!*
Also, I KNOW that Oscar is VERY sorry that he KILLED Reeva because REALITY is setting in. Now Oscar has to DEAL WITH some VERY TOUGH ISSUES. Inasmuch, REALITY has TAUGHT Oscar that KILLING PEOPLE and getting AWAY with it, is (NOT) as easy as being RICH, FAMOUS and DISABLED!
"I never got the chance to tell her I loved her, instead I loved her to Death!" Another whining day yet Reeva's family has been stoic thru out thus entire trial. My heart goes out to them!
I apologize for what I wrote about Nel so far. Apart from the burst pumpkin or watermelon touch which was inappropriate and unforgivable in front of Reeva's family, he is GOOD !
It was appropriate for a murder trial, and he pre-warned the family. There's no point in him applying a soft touch - Oscar sure didn't!
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I know but that dramatic approach was more Roux's style, not his style...
He had asked Reeva's mom before they did it. She told them she knew it was necessary and wanted him to see the photo
I think the intent of that was to bring a bit of balance to where it was heading.... Even I, who do not know much about his past started to get a feeling that he PROBABLY might not have harmed anyone on purpose due to the Character evidence which was built the previous day.... It was just a reminder of what they are in court for, to bring a sense of reality and seriousness as to what he had done and how GRAVE it is.... Not to explain how he helped disabled ppl in the past and blah blah blah... and act as if he did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong and shot only in self defense..... The image took everyone by shock and the world will now realize the GRAVITY of what he had done... put things in perspective..... Might have been an overkill but I think even Reeva's mom agreed it was necessary......
As rude and cruel as it is, it's the job of the prosecutor to not treat him like the little boy he wants to act like at times in this case.. .
Nel has an amazing point in asking him why he chose to do the apology for the first time in the middle of court. "I didn't think it was appropriate to apologize". . .
She says: "you pick on me incessantly", but that doesn't really mean that I ever pick on her. "I got short with her", but he never has...
Pathetic.
Oskar lügt gleich zu Beginn. (0:00 - 0:50) Er war nicht alleine mit Reeva. Frank, der Gärtner und Hausekeeper, war auch im Haus. Er behauptet jedoch, er habe geschlafen.
28:34 begins an interesting exchange for 3 minutes. Oscar is clutching at straws. Nel is quite the professional, definitely staying in control. And does not miss a beat. The look on the faces of Reeva's family shows disbelief and they are unmoved during this. Her Mom especially, in a news interview has said exactly that !
Read the full text mess from Reeva shown on the screen 35:57 it is a huge insight into the real OP !
Carrie Aldighieri
You are aware Reeva's family has stated they have not decided if Oscar is guilty of intentional murder or of accidental killing of their daughter?
Marla D Her mom doesn't know if he's acting. Either way, he took the life of her only daughter and all he did was trash her in court today.
The problem with deciding guilt or innocence of any accused person for most people is they use their emotions rather than their common sense. I have said the following on another thread but here it goes again.
I have watched all of this trial so far. Prior to the trial I knew who OP was and I heard he had shot his girlfriend but basically I knew nothing before I started watching the trial. I can only look at evidence presented including OP's version of events.
I have placed myself best I can in his scenario. I have also asked several female friends their opinion (who know nothings about the trial):
Scenario: I wake up at 3am and my husband is getting out of bed heading towards the balcony door. I quietly slip out of bed to use the bathroom. As I enter the bathroom, starting to enter the toilet area I hear my husband yell, "Marla! There is an intruder! Call the police!". I would run into the nearest area I can lock myself into- the toilet area! I run in lock the door. I am very scared as I hear my husband say this again as his voice get's closer to me! I think my husband is following the intruder into the bathroom where I am! I am staying very quiet! I can't phone the police! The intruder is right there and will know where I am!
Do people understand the fight or flight reaction all humans have? Do people understand this entire event happened within moments where time for rational and deliberate thought was lost?
Ciaran Healy- My using the words "husband"/"wife" was merely a choice of words. For YOUR benefit, insert "girlfriend"/"boyfriend". This does not change the scenario at all.
As far as your scenario, where is the evidence they were arguing? Where is any evidence at all that their relationship was just a violent turmoil of a mess that would lead to this? As I stated before, you MUST have evidence. You can not convict someone on your emotions.
Yes? and? The prosecution has admitted in 4 months of tens of thousands of text messages they could only locate 4 texts where there were harsh words between them. Again, who hasn't shared harsh words with a BF or husband via text. I sure have. Doesn't mean they are in a violent, volatile relationship. There was nothing caustic presented in evidence about the relationship.
Once again I just cannot believe that Oscar is claiming that he did not even have his finger on the trigger when that gun went off in the restaurant. While it is obvious that his strategy is to completely avoid any scenarios which can portray him as reckless (pulling the trigger in a restaurant would be reckless) does he not realize that he is then asking the judge to believe that a supernatural event caused either the hammer to pull back on its own and fire the bullet or the bullet to go off as a result of high heat that caused the gunpowder to explode without the fuse being hit.
In other words, does he not realize that by avoiding looking reckless, he has made himself look like a liar, which is TEN TIMES worse, since being caught lying is all the judge will need to convict him.
It is pretty crazy. I think if a gun went off without pulling trigger, you would be stunned and want to know why, and talk to people about it. But if you pulled the trigger, thinking it wasn't loaded, of course you understand why it went off and have no reason to talk to anyone about it.
This will be his downfall in the end and I'm glad. The fact that he has pleaded not guilty to all charges exposes him for what he really is. According to him, he has done NOTHING wrong. Shooting his gun out of a sunroof never happened (2 witnesses are lying), the gun in the restaurant went off by itself (miraculous event), and he shot 4 times at Reeva "without thinking" or meaning to shoot anyone. So nothing is his fault really. It shows the arrogance of the man, and speaks volume for his character. How he sits there on the stand and lies in that innocent school boy tone grinds me like you cant believe, and he deserves to be locked up before someone else gets killed (due to no fault of his own of coarse,)
dlyras Correct. Pleading not guilty to ALL charges was a big mistake and has left him with no sympathy.
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Not happy with blowing lovely Reeva's brains out, he now wants to assassinate her character as well in front of the whole world. Shameless coward. My prayers are for her family.
No one has ever called him on his BS. She did and he went into a rage.
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At ANY time, had OP been genuinely afraid of an intruder (WHAT intruder breaks into a house fortified with alarms dogs and in a 24 hour guarded security development only to HIDE IN THE BATHROOM???) he could have retrieved Reeva and gone out the front door of his house to safety.
OP's FIRST call was to a female attorney friend of his, not to emergency services and he told the guard who did call that everything was fine.
But the BIGGEST mistake OP made with this ridiculous implausible intruder BS is, at no time did he ever try to ascertain where Reeva was before he fired FOUR SHOTS through the door.
They had been arguing (correction; he was fighting Reeva was trying to calm him down) about texts/emails Reeva had received from an ex, the soccer player.
Schuyler Johnson and the judge bought it!
I think this boy killed because of jealousy.
Me too
Meesha1231 . and thought he could get away with it because he believes he is a massive enough star to dodge the bullet that poor Reeva couldn't. I really hope My Lady can see right through him and that Reevas parents and family get the justice Reeva deserves.
TheShmoo123 "I really hope My Lady can see right through him and that Reevas parents and family get the justice Reeva deserves". Same here
This man did not kill Reeva intentionally. I am not sure what the people posting comments base their judgement of OP's guilt. I am an American and used to the American judicial system where proof of guilt MUST be presented by the State beyond a reasonable doubt. I have watched every minute of this trial and I have found so much reasonable doubt already. I try to keep reminding myself to keep my mind open to his possible guilt. But each day I watch this court proceeding I am more convinced than not in his innocence.
People say: Why didn't he hear her scream after the first shot? If he was doing all that hollering "Reeva! Call the Police! Someone is in the house!", why didn't she say something? Why did she lock the toilet room door?
I have asked many women this question: If you got up to go to the bathroom at 3 am and your husband was heading to the open balcony area to bring in a fan last you saw him and next thing you hear is him screaming there is an intruder, what would you do? Everyone agrees. I would think my husband encountered the intruder on the balcony. I would think if I was already near the toilet room door, I would run in there, lock the door and remain quiet. The first shot I might not scream for fear the intruder would come and do worse.
Ok...I just watched the coverage 1:30 about count 3. Oscar is guilty of count three! A gun does not magically discharge like a rabbit in a hat! Dude didn't think his story through. He looks stupid on this one.
I cant understand why it didnt cross his mind that it could be Reeva in the bathroom when he heard noise as she was awake at the time going by his evidence, so it was easily possible. Also if he thought she was in bed, he could of asked her or felt for her as he was in the bedroom when he first heard noise.
no Marla. I'm a girl and if I was in this situation, I'd scream with the first shot and if my husband call me i'd at least whisper..
We can all be arm-chair quarterbacks as outsiders looking in. However, let me offer this to your thoughts about why he didn't check the bed first or first think of that maybe it was Reeva in the bathroom.
This man has a physical disability. I do not have one. I can only imagine, which isn't fair, but that's all I can do. How vulnerable must a physically disabled person feel when faced with perceived danger- as in this case? I would think much like a person blind in one eye can still drive and such because the other eye compensates- to a limited degree. So, I would think his adrenaline began at the second he heard a noise. In a very dark room shadows were his only vantage point. Did he over react? Maybe. Did his vulnerability lead to hyper-fear? Probably. His mind was in fight or flight mode immediately.
Chris Cooper Yeah, you know, sometimes try turning on the lights when you hear a noise in a dark space.. Might give the intruder enough pause to spare Oscar extra time to think after he thinks to reach for his gun.
He needed someone to take care of him, pamper him , do whatever he wanted and that`s it, what a CONTROL FREAK no wonder she had a pass code on her phone ,,thank god she did....he`s a pathological liar......lie ,lie then lie some more,,wow everybody else is the liar not HIM...
Has Oscar been smoking alot of "dagga"?He doesn't remember shit!Oscar doesn't know how to lie properly, he needs to be trained by OJ.
It is amazing isn't it. Yet he claims he can remember where every small object was placed that night....that's why he just knows the crime scene had been 'tampered with'.
Carrie Aldighieri
Law caught up to him again and now his in jail.Its always like that, once you get away with the first crime then you'd feel like OJ and commit another.
Carrie Aldighieri
I think he was using steroids too.
Carrie Aldighieri Lol, by Kendrick Lamar.
Why's that?LOL
Why did she not leave? Was the money and HIS fane maybee a way to get her struggling career on track? What he did was not right, but she had all the time in the world to leave him.
*I TOTALLY AGREE to NO GUM on camera and another thing....*
written 4/10/14 (3:31 pm)
I agree that there should be absolutely NO GUM on camera because it does NOT look good. However, it SEEMS as though Oscar was VERY RUDE to Reeva in the WAY in which he told her to NOT chew gum and that's why Reeva commented the way that she did, thus saying on her what's up message, that Oscar has PICKED on her incessantly. IF Oscar would have told Reeva in a LOVING manner NOT to chew gum, then Reeva would have been able to appreciate Oscar looking out for her because it DOES make HER look better when she is NOT chewing gum.
Also, the part about Oscar being upset when he was NOT introduced. I can TOTALLY understand that too. IF you are a WOMAN and is with the MAN who you are dating and then you SUDDENLY walk up to ANOTHER MAN and start conversing and acting as if YOUR boyfriend is INVISIBLE, then that WOULD make a person mad. So, I understand Oscar's anger in regard to that situation but it's about HOW you handle your anger when it comes. HOW Oscar handled his anger is what was critiqued.
reeva DID introduce him..he went off and expected her to follow him..when she finished talking to her friends husband, she went to oscar and stroked his neck to reassure him, and he pulled away and brushed her off in front of everyone...he then said "we are leaving", even though she wanted to stay..he is a pouty little rat..a very, very nasty piece of work...
I hope everyone who's interested in this trial is able to watch this on ESPN3 -- they've got the BEST quality signal -- they're re-streaming the Oscar Pistorius Trial Channel. For viewers in North America, or anyone outside of South Africa, for that matter, ESPN3 is the channel of choice. ESPN is the property of ABC networks, so you'll have to go through go.com -- espn.go.com -- good luck.
A GLOCK pistol has no external safety lever, that is standard for all Glock caliber weapons. Glock does not make single action pistols, it does not make revolvers or rifles. I own 2 Glock pistols, one in 10mm and another in .357SIG. It is a double action pistol which can NEVER go off by itself. It cannot even be discharged with a light pull of the trigger, has to be a full 4 lbs trigger force. It is a standard police weapon in 9mm and .40S&W calibers always in the holster with a round IN THE CHAMBER. The intrinsic safety is it's internal double action therefore it is 100% safe unless it is roasted on a fire. Although all other pistols do have external safety levers, single or double action .
OP should have done his homework before testifying, he's simply digging his own grave. I feel bad for him.
Jackson, Mississippi.
tiffsaver
i agree with you, sir. But accidents do happen even with the most experienced of us, sometimes due to overconfidence, other times due to carelessness.
But with O.P discharging a Glock in a restaurant without touching the trigger and then continuing to lie about it with such conviction, under oath, just nullifies any benefit of doubt in his favor on the night of Reeva's death. Now there is no reason left to believe his version.
In hindsight, had there been another person in the house that night, maybe a friend that was visiting, I'm positive OP would have put the blame squarely on that person. Maybe even killed the poor visitor after killing Reeva so as to not have a living witness left. And then told the cops that the visitor killed Reeva and then in self defense, he killed the visitor. Just as he said he was upset at his friend's negligence who handed him the Glock loaded. The friend probably handed him the pistol with a full clip but an empty chamber, then macho man OP pulls the slide, one now in the chamber and pulls the trigger....and BANG!! Followed by Operation Cover-Up, Blame-Game, etc. But in my humble opinion, the remaining days of the trial after his GLOCK lie is simply prolonging his public trial. The prosecution could have wrapped up the trial that day itself. Every sane person knows he killed her in a fit of rage.
I am a holder of a gun permit + concealed carry (CCW). Not including my big game to dangerous game rifles, I have two Glocks- .357sig & 10mm, a .357mag Rhino rev, a Dan Wesson 1911 .45acp, a Ruger .44rem mag SBH single action rev, a Desert Eagle .50AE pistol-it's a gas operated single action unlike the 1911 single action, a AK-47 handgun(short barrel and no stock) Yugo M92 PAP. Point I'm trying to make is that these are all different calibers and different mechanisms- which you being a gun owner yourself, are fully aware. If OP had said the same lie about an unlocked 1911 pistol, it could have been believable. Not just that, although here in the U.S., the 9mm used in Reeva's death is not itself considered a big round but along with .40S&W, it is standard law enforcement issue. But when you use jacketed Hollow Point ammo, at close range x multiple shots especially the Black Talon kind (which I've never used or even seen first hand), it's a game changer altogether. Your self defense purpose or intention goes straight outa the window!! It becomes purely and wholely destructive in purpose. Then of course, there is basic and advanced training which tells you that you may never use a .50 Cal or even .44 RemMag for self defense (unless you are being robbed by an armed Grizzly bear)....and many many other things I can't list here. When you use a gun in self defense, it is only after you have confirmed that the other guy is an imminent threat, he is armed with a gun- of which you have made a 100% visual confirmation unless he is reaching for a concealed one, then is preparing to use that gun on you, and you despite being armed and trained, do not have time to run or call 911 before he takes you down. Even before you draw your own weapon, you try to reason with him first if you think that would help defuse the situation. Some of those measures are very individual and subjective but will go a long ways to save your ass from prosecution later on, if you did indeed happened to kill the attacker.
Most of this INFO I've given here is for those folks with no handgun training or those who have never owned or handled a firearm or people living in countries where legal guns are rare. Although here in the United States most of it is common knowledge.
In a nutshell, Reeva was murdered and OP is screwed.
Jackson, Mississippi.
perikaveera
What are you doing with that Desert Eagle, brother?? Skunk Ape hunting? :-)
tiffsaver
There is more than enough circumstantial + conclusive evidence to prove OP's guilt that we can hardly comment on, that's the lawyers job. We can just talk about the firearms and ballistics part.
Besides the above, I've performed & assisted in several Forensic autopsies myself as part time Medical Examiner earlier when I lived in Ohio- from gunshot wounds, rape, drowning, burns, poisoning, strangulation although now I'm a full-time M.D. physician treating "living" patients. I've posted my observations on her death and also corroborated the testimonies of a couple of state witnesses who deposed before the Hon. Judge that Reeva's scream were heard briefly even after the last, fatal head shot. The defense counsel Mr. Roux scoffed at that possibility thereby implying that the witness was not reliable. But if you go to the videos of the initial week of the trial, you'll see my comments when you scroll down a bit.
Jackson, Mississippi.
tiffsaver
Lol. Just a collector. I dont hunt either. Go to the range on weekends maybe once a month.
perikaveera
My three all-time favorite autopsy mysteries are Bruce Lee, Marilyn Monroe, and JFK. Care to elaborate your theories from a forensics standpoint?
Are they all native english speakers? Or is this just a south african accent? They sound like french/german trying to imitate aussie.
English is their first language in most cases, its just their accent is a little weird.
They might be, or it could be their second language, with the first language being afrikaans-which is very close to dutch and might explain the european sounding accent. I agree with you though, I've always thought south africans sound sort of australian
A GUILTY person and one that CONTINUES TO LIE, will always choose to say “I don’t remember”. This lengthy WhatsApp message is in my opinion a clear indication of how dodgy and toxic their relationship was specifically because of Oscar. His issues and behaviour was the problem and everything in the message points to her being victimised and Oscar being the dominant one. The other important fact here is that this message was sent only two weeks before Reeva’s death. I truly believe that she went to Oscar that fateful evening to end their relationship, and he became enraged and confrontational, an argument ensued, and this caused her to try and leave his residence. He snapped, chased her to the toilet, and we all know what happened!
There’s NO WAY that a vulnerable person, especially a disabled one & a coward, would decide to approach an extremely dangerous situation.
In addition to that and in the situation, surely he would have asked Reeva if she had also heard a noise from the bathroom. His version is not even close to improbable, it’s non existent, it never happened that way and he knows it.
He should be in prison for the rest of his life!!
RIP Reeva ❤️❤️❤️.
The bald gentleman behind Prosecutor Nel can’t even bear to look at Oscar, he is so disgusted with his lies, deceitfulness and narcissistic ways. A clear and accurate picture of how pathetic Oscar’s overall character and his disturbing personality!
I feel so much for Reeva’s parents, it must be so incredibly painful that this pathetic individual took their beloved daughter’s life. RIP Reeva.
41:38 Look at the length of time it took Oscar to answer that question, obviously just made up his answer there and then, Nel should of said and what accents were these and for what show? mind you we all know what the answer would of been in that pathetic grovelling voice..."I'm not sure my lady."
Pistorious, what a manipulative man. He changes his speech with the aim of confusing and deviating the questioning. A technique that many passive abusive people use. He is also a pathological narcissist, it is all about him. He is a wolf disguised as a lamb. Doesn't fool me for a second. Guilty as hell!
This asshole based on the way he answer/dodging the questions and make it difficult for the prosecutor sound to me he's 100% guilty. If he have nothing to hide...he should not have nothing to worry about and speak naturally and honestly. The fact that he makes it difficult says it all. Also a lot of things don't make sense. Let's just say he never seen his gf head to the bathroom (let's give him that), who the hell would just head to the bathroom with a gun without confirming that she's still in the bed? Every human being would say something like "honey, did you hear that?" "i heard a sound in the bathroom." This would confirm that your gf is with you before you head to the bathroom to investigate (if you truly care about her). He clearly did not do that and can't invent a story like this because that would confirm she's with him. Also, if you have gun with you, what the hell are you afraid of?? And if you see the robber is in the bathroom door closed...you would have turned on the light and wait and ask who's inside. And why the hell a robber want to hide inside a toilet lol stupid and locked LOL. And why would you shoot without asking who's inside? Any human would say...."who's inside?" when holding a gun. And clearly he realize if he said that, his gf would reply to him...so he can't invent that story. All these tell me this fool is a fucking liar. I think they had a big argument and she was scared of him and go inside the bathroom. He threatened to shoot her and he did with 4 rounds ....whether he intend to just hurt her or killed her..i don't know but clearly he doesn't care at that point due to absolute anger.
Yeah, what's his answer to why Reeva never answered?
completely agree
maybe he was a victim of some type of home invasion and he wasn't thinking clearly maybe he killed her knowing, the brain can do tricky things when fear is involved, fear starts out as a reflex signal in the brain.
The signal travels to the amygdala - a region near the base of the brain. The amygdala fires a brain chemical called glutamate out into two other regions of the brain. The first region makes us freeze or involuntarily jump. These reactions are so automatic because the signal is sent deep into the base of the brain to an area that we have little control over.
The second signal is sent to the hypothalamus and triggers our autonomic nervous system - the system responsible for the fight or flight instinct - when our bodies go into superman mode. It elevates our heart rate and blood pressure and pumps adrenaline throughout our bodies. That's the rush you feel when scared.
Read more: www.businessinsider.com/our-brain-chemistry-when-we-get-scared-2013-10#ixzz2zDzfhH00
***** if he has a brain defect its enough for one of those to happen. innocence doesn't guarantee freedom in a broken legal system nor does guilt guarantee justice,
are you talking to me busy boy? yes, that's true also...
OP is losing it, his finger was not on the trigger when the short was fired. Poor guy. What an embarrassment.
His defense needs advise him to keep his answers to be short and concise. He is digging his own grave...........
From 1:28:00 it is just unbelievable ...the court has been asked to believe in a miracle ...
57:16 the attorney got caught searching what Kendrick Lamar song it was - The Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe track.
He is lying. He says he was alone in the house with Reeva, but he wasn't. Frank, the housekeeper, was also there.
They even dated 4 months and this happened?..... Did they even have a honeymoon stage in their relationship?
His relationship with Samantha only lasted longer because she was a 16 at the time - young girls are easier to control. He makes me sick.
anching07 Oscar is scary am telling.
At the outset I had OP down as a privileged, spoilt, arrogant, self-centred rich boy (I already had a poor opinion of him from some of his sporting antics before this happened.) A lot of what we have heard during the trial also portrays him this way; a guy who is used to having what he wants and doing whatever he please (e.g. firing guns in public.) Who would even brandish a gun in a restaurant let alone fire it? But the more I follow this and think about it, the more I am convinced that this was a tragic accident. Being an arrogant, spoiled, self centred and obnoxious prick is light-years away from being a murderer. In the absence of conclusive evidence this case will rely heavily on how OP's character is portrayed. There are very few people in this world who would be capable of firing four bullets at someone who was trying to hide from them, even under the most extreme provocation; if Nel is to prove that OP is one of those people he will need to do better than immature antics in a car, irresponsible behaviour in a restaurant and a few crusty text messages. I think we are looking at manslaughter with a suspended sentence here.
***** Hmmm, he shot a water melon...? Case closed!! LOL
Neil Justin You sound as deluded as Oscar is. Oscar murdered his girlfriend and what you are seeing played out before your eyes, is a spoilt brat whose parents did not teach him how to take responsibility for his actions. The man's alibi is riddled with inconsistencies and now he's trying to convince the world that the police moved the duvet, the curtains and the fans. In addition, he asserts that he didn't intend to shoot at the person/intruders in the bathroom, which is utter bullshit. As I've previously this clown makes Walter Mitty look credible.
Neil Justin
He enjoys the destruction that guns can cause to brain like matter. It's the mark of a degenerate individual. Ignore the implications all you want, and try to convince yourself that Oscar is the placid, loving, blameless victim he is portraying on the stand. The courtroom laughed out loud at his preposterous lies today and you're just eating it all up.
***** NEIL JUSTIN: Why did he not shoot up his noisy washing machine when he went into combat mode the night he tweeted about? If he yelled, the washing machine would not have talked back and that would have been a prowler for sure. Shoot to kill. That's what that loser did. ROT OP
***** If you read my post again I said he was an arrogant, spoiled, self centred and obnoxious prick. I also said this didn't make him a murderer, and I'll stand by that comment. You may be swept away by the mood of the moment following Gerrie Nel's attempts at shock tactics and character assassination; let's see what the judge thinks...
The text Reeva sent him pretty much says it all. He comes across as a bully who can snap and that night it got too much and they had an argument and he ended up shooting her through the bathroom door where she ran into after an argument.
I love the prosecutor he is brilliant .I'd want him on my side
Darren Fresco testified that he told you that there was 1 up when he passed you the gun. Stop lying!
Nel: "Why would she be scared of you"?
Oscar: "She is scared of the feelings she had for me"
Nel: "SHE IS SCARED OF WHAT"?
Like really Oscar...Even a 5year old kid can come up with a better explaination than that #dissapointed
were not even ten minutes into this and he started to cry.
Was Oscar crying while he was shooting threw the bathroom door.!!
That's what the prosecutor should ask him if he was crying when he shot into the door
nicky lup Yes I hope he ask that question to him and if he does let me no Honey,LOl
Yes I will baby I'll let you know
nicky lup OK.
All these incidents that OP was involved in regarding his fire arms it finally all caught up with him on the final kudo gra with the killing of Reeva . R.l.P. Dear lady.
When does the laughter occur? I don't want to watch the whole thing.
What's the name of the song he played? I couldn't understand with the accents.
OMW... did he just say "I'm trained to make a firearm safe before passing it to someone"... but he discharges 4 rounds into a closed door by mistake... if this were a jury trial he would be screwed I think.
Oscar canot take responsibility for anything, the judge must of been payed off to give him the lightest sentance possible concidering the damning evidence about his character, or lack of, nothing alse makes sense. Now she must do the right thing and lock him away for 25 years.
It must be awful to live in South Africa , with all that crime and you have to live in a compound,for safety !! He is a cry baby liar!
not very safe are they victoria ?
He said the same thing when describing firing the shot at Tashas`s as he did about shooting through the door that night. "I did not have time to think". Yeah, right! *eyeroll*
"I think out relationship got strong"OP-sure up to the point were you shot her to death in a argument
Nel is brilliant. Just let him go on and on and on and on Never Being Wrong.
Oh. My God.
By the end of this session, I want to jump through the screen and strangle him. Not even because he's a relentless liar, but because he is an unspeakably tiresome bully, nag, self-pitying, self-regarding slippery narcissist fraud.
That poor child was just trying to get out of this. She must have suddenly realized that she couldn't subject herself to any more of him.. She was trying to do the right thing, stop hitting her head against a brick wall, and get back to the people who loved her. She realized no one could convince him to feel secure *in himself* no matter how they tried.
In fact, one could say that, in his slippery narcissistic way, he's *transferring* the insecurity he felt in himself in a love relationship to a claim that it was insecurity for his *person* that caused his actions. A really accomplished liar and self-deceiver will keep to the framework of truth as much as possible.
Oscars PISSTORIES are coming back to haunt him hehe
One point I have not seen made.
Why would she lock the door if she had just gone to the toilet in the middle of the night ? Was the toilet used ?
well nice pattern by oscar pistorius when he explains that there was a shot but his hand was not on the trigger.. wow magic shot ... this guy denies everything which is so obvious... jesus christ... how can this guy do comments like that? and how can anyone believe this guy?
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 1
Perhaps Gerrie Nel should read "The characteristics of a sagittarius man" ... he would save the court a lot of time :)
You are replying to her - and immediately you are blaming her.
100% pure NPD. Text book!
Sorry what does NPD stand for ?
Nick Harris Narcissistic personality disorder. Total void of real empathy for anyone other than self. Shame in early childhood, shallow sense of self. Cannot stand criticism, but can dole it out! Cannot get close to anyone, so blows hot and cold in intimate relationships. Uses people as 'supply'. Emotional abuse to those close, and really nice to everyone else. Wears a mask in public. Charms all those who are not close. Different behind closed doors.
1:25:22 - Roux's gesture.
U.K. seems to be the only country where trials in court are not televised
Reeva was three years older than Oscar and seemed to be more mature.
This man is sick!! What a COWARD! Could he not use words to communicate with Reeva rather than his gun??? I hope he gets what he deserves and feels the fear and pain he inflicted on that poor girl for the rest of his pathetic life in prison. It saddens me what he did to her and he should NOT be walking around resuming his life as if Reeva's life didn't matter. May justice prevail!
Nels is questioning OP on the texts messages between himself and Reeva. It is not very smart of Oscar to call Reeva a liar. It shows his lack of ability to show remorse and own up to his mistakes with her. He blames the victim and his true colors came flying through..."It's all about what OP needs and wants."
Pistorius testified to not knowing the Kendrick Lamar song - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe or if it was even a Kendrick Lamar song.
But. If that was true how would he have known how to respond in his reply to Reeva's statement " I am not some other bitch you may know trying to kill your vibe "; If as he claims he didn't know the song he would not have known what she was talking about or how to respond.
But OP knows exactly how to reply to RS 'kill your vibe' statement and say's " I asked Martian to put on that Kendrick Lamar Album in the car 'and I don't know it', granted that was a shut song but you could've just lent forward and whispered in my ear to change it _ scene I had to drive to pick up your friend _" (what picking up her friend has to do with changing the song is anybodies guess).
It's clear that OP knew very well what she meant by 'kill his vibe' because he responded to it.
Kendrick Lamar - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe.
watch?list=RDGF8aaTu2kg0&v=GF8aaTu2kg0
Edit: Also what I found interesting was around 1:39:40 how OP spontaneously states "I didn't have time to think" when referring to pulling the trigger at the restaurant.
spot on ken..you have to listen very carefully to this little monster to catch the lies..
EXACTLY ken...a pathalogical liar.
This is so different than in the US. The prosecutor would never show such bias, "you are all about yourself." They bring in witnesses to prove someone's character.
I don't agree. Watch some lawyers in action, one being Juan Martinez. It's the prosecutors job to get the truth out of a liar, not an easy task.
Totally unrelated to Oscars being guilty or not of murdering Reeva : i feel that making such a deal of perfecty normal exchanges between twenty somethings at the beginning of a relationship is absurd.
Everything is so petty and whatsapping as soon as something is not right, igives it a totally disproportioned importance and makes it all even more irrevelant to me. They had BOTH big egos. Reeva is no saint because she is very sadly dead,
For instance I totally agree it is very rude to converse with someone without including and introducing the person you are with at a gathering. Be it a partner or a friend.
Also all disagreements in any relationship are about one's needs and wants. It is not Oscar beeing so intolerant , its about finding balance at the beginning of a relationship .
The prosecutor picks up at every single small thing which in real life it is not so relevant .
Reeva is overly analytic about everything ( like most women - I am one ) and feels the need to type in a message everything she feels, thinks ... which I find annoying .
There is a place and time to talk about issues in a relationship and sms and whatsapp are not appropriate to fix anything.
I feel that the prosecutor is using very normal things against Oscar. Would Reeva be still alive all these conversations / arguments would look absolutely normal or at most not auspicable.
They are both public figures with very demanding schedules and big egos so it must be even harder to find balance.
I rather like the way Nel is looking at Bad Runner, as if to say : we all know you've been lying through your teeth now try to answer my questions instead of saying the lines Mr Roux made you learn.
I'm not an English native speaker so I'm a bit confused, why is he saying 'my lady' everytime at the end? Is it because the judge is female?
Yes it's merely how the judge is addressed. It has always been this way, Men are addressed as "my lord" and women as "my lady". Magistrates in lower courts are addressed as "your honour".
Thank you very much for the explanation! I was a bit confused because he also says it while responding to the prosecuter.
Ju Lia You're welcome
I feel sad for Oscar. It's a shame that such a tragedy occurred. Even if he did do it following an argument, he definitely regrets it now, whether that be because he got caught and now has to pay the consequences, or he deeply regrets it because he loved her and recklessly used his pistol to shoot her. Whichever way it is, it is terribly sad for all involved. Oscar will without a doubt serve a jail sentence. It's not nice seeing him squirm trying to get out of it all! But wouldn't anyone who was in that position or would you admit it for the sake of Reeva's family and Reeva? I think I would just have done with it and tell the truth out of respect for Reeva and her family. It seems Oscar only cares about the consequences of his words for himself, and him only. Such a sad and tragic event all round.
We'l get there Mr Pistorious , we'l get there.
Oscar needs to stop feeling sorry for himself, with his stupid explenations and take responsibility for taking her life , it was no mistake!
That is so true Carmen he need to stop all these explanations that doesn't make sense and just admit of what he has done the more he drags it the more torture he goes through, he killed her there's no explanations will change that
GO NEL GO - luv this prosecutor now - he is really going for it - at last
i want to think it was a tragic accident, but, everything is so improbable
....the gun in the restaurant, why blame the owner? he did acknowledge he was wrong, but, he stuck in, HE shouldnt have done something so unsafe, rubbed me the wrong way
we now have a dead girl thats future was so promising, her family/his, all the friends, ....ppl everywhere
and why?? for what reason???
It's not working
Can you make this available on mobile devices by any chance please :)
It's all about him, he's the focus of the relationship and Reeves is just an add on to his very important life. He should have thought himself lucky she was even with him.
He "picked on her incessantly" according to her. He is clearly defensive and in denial, trying to paint a caring picture of himself because he knows he's guilty of her murder after a row on the night in question.
I think the both of them was the perfect storm that turned deadly.
One lie after another. Your day is done.
He closed the drapes with the blackout lining that prevents light entering the room although with the fan situated behind the drapes in the doorway and blowing the curtains that would have produced outside light entering the bedroom for visibility. He also stated a bed side lamp was on. At this point he doesn’t have his prosthetic’s on. Still, his bedroom is on the 2nd floor so how could someone enter the bathroom? Pistorius is paranoid, controlling, and selfish( hear him say about ‘me all the time”) by his own accounts of his testimony. Why didn’t he hear Reva screaming? Witnesses heard her. Why didn’t witnesses hear him shout Help? So he puts his prosthetic’s on then goes to the bathroom then returns to get the cricket bat! My house, my driveway, my bedroom, my bathroom, my, my, my, ......! He values HIS possessions