Okay, I have insight into living with a visible disability. I grew up after cancer treatments in infancy (just 9 months) damaged my spine, causing a very visible scoliosis and the loss of all the soft tissue (from radiation damage) on that side of my waist. And I'm a girl... and my sport was swimming. I wouldn't even join a team, because I was too self-conscious. I always swam alone. I *know* about his experience... and as a loving woman, I also know about hers. I grew up (in a *not* very supportive family) with a very visible imperfection on an otherwise beautiful, strong, healthy body, and I *know* his deep feelings of shame and inadequacy. It took me a long time and years of painful, hard work, in counseling and in my own mind, to overcome it. Partly, I just got too old to worry about my beauty any more -- but I had to get there, first! And I had to do it without killing myself or anyone else in the process. But it did ruin every relationship I ever had until I overcame it. The most telling words of all -- his motive in attacking Reeva -- are: *"It's very, very embarrassing"* for people to see him on his stumps. When he cries so bitterly afterward: I know exactly what he was feeling: the terrible black anger squeezing - searing - your heart, when he sits down and cries in humiliation -- he can't help it. It's overwhelming... because he hasn't done anything to overcome those feelings, even still! Those tears -- the ones for himself -- are very real. They're the realest thing about this man. I can see it and feel it. He wanted so much to be *perfect* (way more than I ever did -- talk about a type-A personality...) that much we know... but instead of feeling like a whole, amazing man because of what he achieved (and his otherwise great beauty, which perhaps was really a curse in his case...) his heart was so full of anger, and self-loathing, and alienation. Isolation. It's terribly painful and lonely. But he wouldn't address those feelings, as a responsible person should. Of *course* it's difficult and painful -- agonizing -- to confront those feelings, but it's also the responsibility of a man: to cope with those feelings instead of being in denial, and then -- inevitably! -- dumping it on a woman (I don't mean this aspect is a gender thing; it'd be the same if he were a woman: just, whatever -- a partner) a trusting, generous woman who I'm sure did *not* look down on him at all -- quite the contrary -- as he looked down on himself. But he couldn't see it. I see it: She was trying to help him, to *prove* to him that a ravingly beautiful woman loved and accepted him just as he was. She wanted to give him that gift, and whether they stayed together or not. But he couldn't see it: he couldn't accept her love because he didn't love himself first. But since she 'took on' (in his eyes) *the responsibility of making him feel adequate*, then when he didn't -- it was her fault, of course! He couldn't believe her -- because to do so, he'd have to love himself first! That is the only way -- it was *not* her fault that she couldn't! But he didn't know that. His narcissism made him project all his self-hate and (self) rejection onto her... so when she tried to *leave* him... well, in his eyes, she was 'proving' that she didn't love him, that it was all an act, just to get to be with the big, world famous, star athlete..! I can almost hear the accusations! Hysterical accusations. More than fear: abandonment panic, at that moment, imo... All projection... All bewildering to her. If she'd been older and wiser, she'd have realized sooner that nothing she could do would *ever* be enough to make him accept himself. But she didn't know. If he'd been wiser -- gone to counseling, accepted the responsibility for his feelings -- he'd have seen she could never do that for him. But alas, she was quite naive, and idealistic about love... and I suppose he was, too, in his way. But also very, very angry. Ready to explode. And he did explode when she 'rejected' him -- which she did only because he was telling her she was failing! *Paradoxical, but very human, behavior* -- but from a truly dangerous man. Alas, Reeva. If only she'd known. But I believe this man was a ticking bomb, almost sure to go off on someone soon. She thought she could bring him inner peace: that part makes me so sad. Sad even for him. Because her *lovingness* put her in harms way. That's what I can't forgive. He destroyed her for loving him. Rest In Peace, beautiful soul Reeva.
weather your famous or disabled, if you kill someone you should get the same punishment as a normal person. I bet if he was a nobody he would be in prison now serving 15 to 20 years. South African law is a joke and the judge is awful
Oscar has suffered enough.He has paid for his crime,The steenkamps got blood money from him. He is a broken man. This was a manslaughter case,not murder. Sending him to prison for twenty years will serve no purpose Restorative justice is what is required
You are missing the point, he intentionally shot the person who was behind the toilet door and he knew that in such a small space, with nowhere to hide, it was likely that he would have killed, this is why he was found guilty of murder.
Mayker Gutierrez If you are addressing me, I watched the trial in the lower court and also watched the Supreme Court ruling when the culpable homicide verdict was overturned and Oscar was, instead, convicted of murder.
This Judge Masipa is now so very obviously biased against Advocate Nel for taking the matter to the Constitutional Court which revealed her incompetency.
The sad thing about the Criminal Law is that Barry Roux is an intelligent man who knows, deep down in his heart, what the real truth is. Owing to the nature of his job, he has to disguise his own genuine belief but to defend Oscar's story and make it believable to Judge Marsipa just because he has been paid as Oscar's defending lawyer. This is how the criminal justice system works. I am afraid it is pretty much down to the skills of the lawyer rather than the real truth of a case which convicts or acquits a suspect. Once again, so sad.
let the justice system be consistent and fair to all that is the worry that mostly haunts Oscar. There are people in prison with wheel chairs convicted for lesser offenses.
My ex brother-in-law had double amputees as well as an adult, just below the one knee and just above the other, but boy could he move on those stumps! So why would OP have a difficulty to walk on his stumps when he has them almost all his life? Must say OP deserves an Oscar for great acting!
Sweetheart, there is a video on TH-cam of Oscar 'running' on his stumps with one arm outstretch and the other holding onto nothing at all. He was re-enacting the way he ran to the bathroom on the night of the murder. He is a spineless man with no shame at all.
My lady's judgement in the original trial made no sense and believed OP's ridiculous intruder story while admitting he was a poor witness. I fear that she will give OP way too much of a lenient sentence this time around, My lady emphasized his disability in her reasoning for her original judgment that I'm not surprised the defense is trying to capitalize on her sympathy by having him wobble and try to look vulnerable without his legs. He didn't show the same awkwardness in his defenses video of his reenactment of the night he killed Reeva. More bad acting from OP
Moira Gadsden, the case is not being retried so wouldn't make sense to have a new judge, would it? Furthermore, she allowed the State to appeal to the Supreme Court for a ruling. I, personally, didn't agree with her judgement, but the SCA found no fault with her handling of the trial. I find something really 'off' about her judgement and reasoning in this case.
@@Sparrowdean I think she had a kind of post colonial haze about Oscar and his "importance". She was so so sympathetic to him for this reason. Little does she know Oscar is from old racist stock fearing the mythical "black intruder" at every turn. So sick Oscar made THAT particular story up to cover his murderous rage at Reeva.
I am still convinced that the judge received some sort of payment from Oscar's uncle. It's her fault that all this nonsense is still going on. Oscar should be in jail!! Ps. glad they have a new translator
If you believe that the defence team would have just accepted a murder conviction and life in prison for Oscar, without finding some spurious grounds on which to lodge an appeal or claim a mistrial, you're very naive. Until the money dries up they'll fight to keep Oscar out of prison or to obtain an early release for him.
OP was NOT on his stumps - he had his legs on, because he was chasing Reeva, because she wanted to leave him that night. Her cloths were packed already. Then she ran into the toilet, locked the door and had her cell phone with her. She was so scared!
why dont they just let him go.... he is sorry for god's sake.oh please just give him another chance.... am sorry but, i just feel like we just need to move on from this...
He should get the original five year sentence plus maybe an additional three years of correctional supervision. There is not much difference between the previous sentence hearing and the present one as far as the facts of the case goes.
Nell is right on...focus should be 100% on the brokenness and devastating pain Reevas family experienced and still experience after losing Reeve...not on the guilt ridden brokenness or the suffering of consequences Oscar has experienced since killing Reeva..
Anybody else watching the murderer on his ITV interview? Its on TV here where i live and he has been trying to cry but can't produce one tear for Reeva! The guy is such a liar and people in our community can see his obvious guilt and lack of remorse, only acting that has done him no favours here in our community! Lock him up and throw away the key! JUSTICE FOR REEVA AND THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA, RIP REEVA
He's broken, but Reeva is dead. I believe the witnesses that testified that they heard a woman screaming, and it could only have been Reeva, and then one must ask oneself why she screamed. Either because they were having a fight before the shots, or because she felt threatened. Both indicative that it was not as harmonious as Oscar would like all to believe.
Oscar claimed it was him screaming, but the witnesses testified they have heard a women screaming before the shooting. Also they werent sleeping, because Reeva had food in her stomach. She was eating between 1 and 2 am, shortly after she was shot. This Monster murdered Reeva on valentines day.
You write that Reeva screamed before he opened fire. Reeva was inside a locked room. Its very difficult to make someone scream in this situation. If you take the time to work out how he did it the answer will take your breath away and it will also give you an insight into what he did after she locked herself in.
12 jurors in the US would have convicted him on the circumstantial evidence of an argument. Texas would have given him life. The evidence showed an argument, not a mistake in Oscar's perception.
It would be unfair if he is put back in society. He should serve a sentence like any other criminal, no privileges just because he's famous or disabled. His disability didn't stop him from taking a life! I disagree with his lawyer's plea to let him do community work.
What is that unfriendly lady always doing in court! Who pays for her flights and accomodation in Pretoria? I saw her and June Steenkamp in Brooklyn Mall one day.
Don't be so gullible. He's drugged to the hilt and has to play "poor little rich boy" in order to get lower sentence. Milking it for all he is worth too. Look on You Tube you will see him running on his stumps but in court boo hoo display.
A lot of it could be acting. He's rubs his eyes and nose frequently. That causes puffiness. He may have stayed up all night just so he'd look tired. It's easy to put on a show. It could take him a day or two to get rest and look normal again. This man will go to his grave, being dishonest. He never was a golden boy.
BOB OVER Of course he is one big act! I would not be surprised if he took an emetic during the trial to vomit and most people of any intelligence can see right through him. Evil piece of flotsam. Pity we dont have the gallows here but in any case Masipa is now so obviously biased against Adv Nel she will want to upstage him by giving the little moron a short sentence or hospitalization which is what he is trying to achieve. A shame on Reeva Steenkamp's memory. His story is an insult to everyone's intelligence!!!!
***** I did ha ha my first thought was "He's put on his poor clothes for the next act". And did you notice that woman had to help him to hold on to the desk at the end of the stump act as if he was completely useless suddenly?
***** I agree 100%. Why not say look we had an argument or she wanted to leave and I lost it and I made a really poor judgement call. Even that would have been a bad way to react with a firearm but more believable than all his BS versions. I often wonder how the lure of money could override an attorney to act in defence of such scum. How do they sleep at night?
The question is why his girlfriend locked the bathroom door with two mobile phones? From whom was she trying to lock herself out? Why was he trying to get to her with the baseball bat and with no success used the gun firing 4 bullets as if he was hunting a rhinoceros? The neighbours heard that she was screaming when he wounded her hip with one bullet but no he has to fire 3 other shots just to make sure , the final one to the head so she can't press charges against him. He's gun happy the last time he fired the gun his friend took a blame so he avoids a bad publicity , even asked his girlfriend to keep quiet about it. He's not used to take the responsibility for his actions and is hoping to avoid it this time round. Using his disability when it suits him but fit enough to be 24 times Gold medalist. To believe his story you have to be very naive and gullible. Nevertheless, he took a life and now he has to pay instead of trying to wiggle his way out of justice that he's due.
O and R had argued R wanted to leave O kidnapped her jeans She threatened to call the police Panicked , O screamed at her to get out of his house Scared, R locked herself in the toilet. Now she could make the call from inside a locked room. Stopping her was paramount so he ran for his bat To find out what happened after you have you ask yourself another Q Reeva screamed before he opened fire How did O make R scream when she was in a locked room ?
Maybe she wanted to read his texts or hide hers from his demands . Maybe she receive a text from her past boyfriend. He was in rage and demanded she come out !! So in a fit of jealous rage he kept shooting thinking it will scare her to come out . Not thinking he would actually kill her. He was clearly out of his mind . Too late
He was found guilty of murder, correct? Why is Roux arguing the guilty verdict and suggesting reasonable doubt? (Not necessarily a criticism, I know nothing of the SA justice system, simply curious.) Was this courts previous ruling overturned by the supreme court and now its back in front of this judge for sentencing on the supreme courts ruling? That leaves the door open for all sorts of 'payback' type decisions?
Welcome to 3rd world South Africa, with strange or sometimes no laws at all. Now u know why its the murder capital of the world. If you wanna murder somebody book a holiday to SA.
if he shouted to the intruder to "'get out of my house"'.....wouldnt reeva have said it was her in the cubical? Did he say that....or just lied about saying that!!!! murder is murder....END of story.... Be a man and own up
*Brings up a case of non-prosecution of a Dolus Eventualis case* Roux: But I am not asking for non-prosecution! - So why bring it up, Barry? Seriously, I'm not expecting anything but the bare minimum sentence from this judge. I just wish the court that overturned the culpable homicide passed the sentence instead. They were, after-all, flabbergasted by her decision.
He hasn't paid with his life!!!! His legal team showed bad judgment by stressing what this killer has lost. He lost it all due to his vile bad temper! They hardly mention Reeva and what she and her family lost. That beautiful lady lost the ultimatething, she lost her life.
I have equal sympathy and empathy for both sides. It was heartwrenching to see Barry Steenkamp testify and was heartwrenching to see Oscar have to stand so exposed like that in front of the whole world. Nearly everyone in the comments section is ripping Oscar up, yet before you pass judgement, I recommend that you all watch Derren Brown's BBC episode about how its possible to turn a normative person into a murderer. After watching that episode I believe that fully 80% of men in today's extremely ego-based society would have failed with flying colors the test that Oscar was put to that night. There is a huge grey area here. This started out as involuntary manslaughter and progressed in a matter of seconds to murder. As I said, taking into consideration Oscar's truely unique circumstances (fairy-tale life story) most would have failed the test spectacularily. This is not to say that Reeva's murder was OK.
Well, Sorry. You seem to condone and reason out and justify that it was because of the extremely ego-based society that he did this although you end your post with a contradiction that you don't say it is ok.. That is unfortunately not the question at hand. The fact of the matter is very simple.. The Supreme court has found a civilian guilty of murder. Anyone under the law of the land will have to be punished according to what the laws are for the crime committed. Anyone convicted of murder should get 15 years minimum. Disability is not a mitigating factor in sentencing. May be during adjudication of guilt could have held a higher level of relevance and importance. Unfortunately for him, as per the letter of the law, he has been found guilty. Its not about fairly tale life story or any thing else. He is a civilian. Found guilty of murder. It has been adjudicated by the highest court in the land - with way more educated and experienced judges than most civilians that he is guilty of Murder. That is it. He needs to face the consequences of his actions. No privilege. Laws and punishments are for everyone and they should be equal for everyone...
Allan Joshua Allan, I don't disagree that he should pay for his crime and that it was murder but one cannot look at this unique case in black and white. One MUST take into consideration his absolute unique situation, his lack of judgement (which is why mentally insane individuals cannot be tried for murder. I am not saying he is mentally insane), his anxiety which helped to push him over the edge, and his service to the community. And I am not at all contradicting myself. I do not condone his actions whatsoever. I just understand where they came from. Just because I understand does not mean that I condone.
Right. He had his right to a lawyer and a man is innocent until proven guilty. He was given his right to prove that he was innocent. In fact he paid for one of the most expensive lawyers which is a privilege in itself. A poor man could never have afforded Barry Roux. After careful consideration of his fairy tale life and his unique circumstances, the highest authority in South Africa, found him guilty of murder.. Every other story of his circumstances unfortunately is not relevant at this stage of the process. It could be considered a mitigating factor sure but if the country's judicial system is not a joke, the punishment should fit the crime.. He needs to go in for 15 years... Here is this guy able to argue that he was not guilty but another young woman who had her life ahead of her cannot walk in court to try to get the sympathy of the world. That is the hard truth which people have to understand before feeling sorry for him. Actions have consequences.. For this action, 15 years.. Period. He has already been found guilty of murder.
Allan Joshua If I had time I would explain what I believe happened that night. He was put to a test that I believe fully 80% of men would have failed with flying colors. Search Derren Brown BBC episode - How to turn a person into a murderer. There are so many aspects to this case that warrant him getting less than the 15 years minimum.
Again, what BBC says and what civilians can happily debate is not what the law is in the land. The test for guilt is objective not subjective although the subjectivity might be considered before declaring guilt. What has happened in this case is that, the supreme court, the most powerful court in the land has found him guilty of murder... Debating guilt is literally futile and silly...
Oscar is going to get, some think, a long jail sentence but he only has to serve 1/6 of that. So if he gets say 20 years he is out in 3+ less what he has already served 1.5 and if Roux pleads disability I can see him going straight back to uncle Festers in Pisto Palace in no time at all.
"Some people refuse to look at the real facts" ~ said the murderer's lawyer~ HE UNDERSTANDS THAT VERY WELL! Further the beautiful Reeva explained CLEARLY how she felt in her letter to the murderer, that was read in court. She explained his jealous behaviour at her friends engagement celebration etc. They were together for three months and he was acting up with the same OJ Simpson behaviour ANOTHER SPORTS HERO hence the same AWFUL and unimaginable result. Reeva's dear father explained it well how scared she must have been in that cubicle ~ with no way out, away from his rage! Why would she lock herself inside a cubicle off the bathroom? Yet, Reeva's parents and family had to sit through all these made up stories! CRUEL!
YOUR comment is IGNORANT! maybe locking a toilet DOOR of the main bathroom is something you would do where you're from or how you behave around other humans you associate with (man or women) when you are dating someone for 3 months and are in love etc. If you had to lock yourself in a toilet cubicle from that person? what are you doing there? you would have to ask yourself! Celebrating valentine's day ~ that's not how it works even if you have to use the toilet! A CRASS and SHAMEFUL comment! not FUNNY or Clever! SHAME.
NO there isn't !!!!! ONLY if you have an OUT OF CONTROL murderer shooting BULLETS at You through that door or any door. An O J Simpson SAGA repeat! OJ the SPORT HERO used a knife for HIS slaughter Oscar the SPORT HERO used his favourite gun and bullets to commit his slaughter! TWO SPORT HEROS ~ with ALL that little boy CHARM and HOW the TWO O's want to STAY FREE after the fact AND CONTINUE ON WITH LIFE after all it was only a slaughter of the women who made them anger an insecure! The women are out of the picture (slaughtered) so let the SPORT HEROS carry on ~AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY'S SPORT HEROS!!!!!! DISCUSSING AND DISGRACEFUL!
I can't believe their debating whether prison would be cruel and unusual punishment for a murderer. It also sound like they're debating the verdict when the verdict is already guilty of murder. He wrongly killed someone and prison is where they go. Put the fucker in prison for 15 years and let Reeva's family rest. Now!
They shouldn't make him walk on his stumps for pity - They're trying to get him house arrest, not prison and playing on sympathy! Warning yell, warning shot, one shot, not one, two, three, four...Not knowing that whoever was there - If for some insane reason he didn't 'know' it was Reeva he KNEW he was going to kill someone and now they know they can only play on the pity card, poor Oscar! No, its poor Reeva. She's dead. Oscar isn't. Legs or not, intent or not, its still murder and murderers end up in prison, not sitting on the sofa with your gun and new girlfriend in tow in luxury still - Watch Reeva's father's testimony and then say poor Oscar
*Oscar Pistorious!* *Something else that I can see!* I know that Oscar was shown on his stumps today and after he walked for quite some time, he knelt on a cushion because the weight of his body was too much. If this is the case, then how is it that Oscar was able to walk down the LONG passage way to the restroom, holding a gun while on his stumps and holding onto the wall. Oscar was holding onto things in the courtroom and he wasn't able to hold up that long, so he knelt on a cushion. This is why I sincerely believed from the beginning that Oscar DID have on his stumps while shooting BUT he KNELT DOWN while shooting. I'm not trying to be mean but I just felt let to comment on this! God knows that I have no malicious feelings towards Oscar. I just want justice to be served. Take a look at the post attached in this post okay. Make sure you check it out but be careful for graphic material. Reeva is shown DEAD & BLOODY with GUN SHOT WOMBS on her! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3642439/Judge-ALLOWS-graphic-crime-scene-pictures-Reeva-Steenkamp-public.html
Roux asked O to do a cricket bat demo on the door without his legs on. Why didn’t Nel do a gun demo at the same time to ascertain if O shooting stance matched up to the bullet holes. He only had to be an inch or two out to make a dramatic difference
Rob Fell Probably because Mr Nel knew that we would have another trail because Oscar will probably start shooting again. lol Nel will likely do so but I don't understand why Mr. Roux is fighting for Oscar to NOT go back to Prison. The min is 15 years. I think Roux is trying to get Oscar to do time at his uncles house. That's ridiculous.
Another thought just wafted into my brain. If as O would have us believe he is so unsteady on his stumps then surely firing that powerful gun four times in the dark would blow him flat on his arse. Did they check the ceiling ? Another small point . If O fired in the dark then he would have been blinded by muzzle flashes and deafened but only ever mentioned being deafened. The lights were on ! If they had argued ---------- The lights were on !
seen Oskar's uncontrollable reaction when Kim said that "Reeva liked him, but did not love him" ? .... that's probably the one thing that haunts his mind because that's probably one of the last things Reeva told him before getting shot in that cubicle. The rest of his burglar story is nothing but BS. Whatever will be decided by the judge is ultimately irrelevant ; Reeva's parents condemmed him already by having the pictures of her wounds released to the public ; his name will forever be linked to his shooting his "girlfriend" (or probably "percieved possession") no matter what happens to him, or what he does. He's done. Rightly so.
did he not say it takes a long time to put on his legs? that looked pretty quick to me. also did he not say that he ran to put on his legs and get the bat? so why was he acting like he can hardly hold his balance, yet he ran and realised it was actually Reeva. mmm
It takes him at least 25 seconds to put on his prosthetic legs. Also, in his affidavit, he says very clearly that after firing the shots, he was worried about the lack of reply from Reeva and went to to check on her in the bedroom. When he found that she wasn't in bed, he returned to the bathroom and tried to open the door, but it was locked. So, he "rushed" into the bedroom to call out for help on the balcony. Then, he put on his prostethic legs and "ran" back to the bathroom, where he tried to kick open the door of the cubicle.
The only person to blame for this entire protracted heartbreaking court drama is the Judge Marsipa. She has allowed this obvious plain acting by Oscar to cover up his horrendous act of murder towards Reeva. Judge Marsipa showed sympathy towards Oscar and bought his story which any sensible person on Earth would never buy. If Judge Leach had presided over the original trial, it would have been game over pretty quickly with a verdict dolus directus and life imprisonment. Sadly this Marsipa has the power to allow Oscar's garbage to linger on for this length of time causing so much more pain to Reeva's family. My verdict is Marsipa is guilty of poor management of the entire case and should not be allowed to have any further dealing with the case. Please save any more pain inflicted on Reeva's family by stopping Marsipa any more appalling handling of the case. All of these are caused by one Judge Marsipa. So sad.
He murdered his girlfriend on valentines day, it aint rocket science. Judge Leach should take charge, this is a white on white murder case in SA so we need a white male judge and not the opposite.
Steven Steven and Kwok Kan , it may have escaped both your attention but this trial is taking place in Africa. And if you are suggesting that criminals should only be judged by their own racial group, perhaps whites in South Africa should re-locate to their countries of origin. Further, perhaps the same rules should apply in other countries as well and, as well as racial considerations, perhaps there should be Jewish and Muslim courts to try Jews and Muslims or protestant and catholic courts, or even gender specific courts.
David Foster Look here mate, I’ve seen all your nasty comments about Oscar . There was No evidence to suggest this was a premeditated murder case, and if you are so convinced it was then take your hard evidence to the NPA in South Africa and let them take a look. You are making assumptions, which are not the same as FACTS !!!!!
It was a hot night and Oscar had trouble sleeping. As he sat up in his bed, Reeva was lying next to him and asked him if he couldn't sleep. Oscar got up, brought in the fans from the balcony, and drew the blackout curtains. It is believed that Reeva must have silently gone to the toilet while his back was turned to the room. So when he heard the noise emanating from the bathroom, he was under the impression that it was an intruder in his home. In his mind, Reeva was still safely in bed. He had not heard her leave the room.
RedPanda Regardless of blackout curtains, it was light enough in the room for him to see her jeans on the floor and to use it to cover the light on his music system. That being the case, how come he didn't notice that the bed was empty when he returned to the bedroom for his gun? Furthermore, even the defence's expert said that there was ambient light entering the bedroom with even the curtains drawn and his ex-girlfriend testified that Oscar never kept his bedroom in complete darkness. And, why didn't he think it odd that, in spite of his screaming and shouting at her to get down and to call the police, she never once murmured a word? And how could he not notice that the bed was empty, when he went to fetch the gun from under it?
Oscar shud get an Oscar for his acting to luk vulnerable n sad for reeva and fake tears..he didn't show any sympathy to reeva while he was killing her..so judge masipa-- the court is not for showing sympathy for a liar killer its for the justice. He didn't let reeva to live her life so he doesn't hav any right to live..i have seen his video walking on his stamp n carrying his sister he lukd very strong there..he shud get the full punishment for murder..he is a strong man that's why he was the fastest blade runner..the story to kill an intruder even a child will not bliv dat..rot in jail and rot in hell mr op
Nel has made a good case to ensure Masipa knows it's the duty of the court to sentence him to no less than 15 years. It's all he can do. Masipa knows she messed up. I'm guessing 15 years without parole to include time already served so he'll be in for 14 years. Masipa will seriously piss me off, if it's any less. And jeez, his brother Carl and uncle Arnold are seriously annoying. Anyway with a brain cell of a snail (and it's recently been found out they have only two) can see all the bullshit. Fair play to Barry Roux. Tough job to defend someone like that when you know he's guilty.
How did she get involved with this gun maniac no respect for firearms a spoilt no good person. What hes done .25 years he took her young life he should lose his.
Oscar was in the process of being illuminated, unfortunately he didn't qualify for it. I think this game is too dangerous for the public Leave it just the way it is before some other girl also gets killed. Oscar can't handle extreme preasure,screaming,fights etc.
murder is murder he shud never have been let out to uncle's house he shud be away for very long time. He will get on with his life one day no doubt he will profit from selling his story whilst Riva has no future and her family are tortured forever. Her poor father is destroyed.
All the people in the comments are talking from a retribution and revengeful perspective, exactly what this lawyer said is wrong, jail time is about rehabilitation, not revenge or retribution, a man can be rehabilitate in a year.l Yall need JESUS,
No words can describe the pain for both families and what they are going through as grief is an awful process. A retrial IS correct, yet both sides have gone too extreme to make their points proven through global media. Absolutely no need for Reeva to have her dignity exposed without her choice or voice, we have all read and heard enough to know the extensive damage caused. We DO NOT need pictures. Equally no need to expose a disabled person to make him look more vulnerable to try prove not committing murder. Anyone with a gun in their hand has an ability to kill. Killing is murder, and he killed - simple. Also is Oscar is getting secretly endorsed again by Nike........if so its absolutely appalling!? In court at a point when he knows he's being exposed without his legs he's top and bottom in their brand and too for the ITV interview coming up.
There is no proof that the judge has been bribed. However, there is proof that the Steenkamp family charges up to $50.000 for an interview. $25.000 for photographic rights, of the ceremony in which they scattered Reeva's ashes onto the ocean.
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Okay, I have insight into living with a visible disability. I grew up after cancer treatments in infancy (just 9 months) damaged my spine, causing a very visible scoliosis and the loss of all the soft tissue (from radiation damage) on that side of my waist. And I'm a girl... and my sport was swimming. I wouldn't even join a team, because I was too self-conscious. I always swam alone. I *know* about his experience... and as a loving woman, I also know about hers.
I grew up (in a *not* very supportive family) with a very visible imperfection on an otherwise beautiful, strong, healthy body, and I *know* his deep feelings of shame and inadequacy. It took me a long time and years of painful, hard work, in counseling and in my own mind, to overcome it. Partly, I just got too old to worry about my beauty any more -- but I had to get there, first! And I had to do it without killing myself or anyone else in the process. But it did ruin every relationship I ever had until I overcame it.
The most telling words of all -- his motive in attacking Reeva -- are: *"It's very, very embarrassing"* for people to see him on his stumps. When he cries so bitterly afterward: I know exactly what he was feeling: the terrible black anger squeezing - searing - your heart, when he sits down and cries in humiliation -- he can't help it. It's overwhelming... because he hasn't done anything to overcome those feelings, even still! Those tears -- the ones for himself -- are very real. They're the realest thing about this man. I can see it and feel it.
He wanted so much to be *perfect* (way more than I ever did -- talk about a type-A personality...) that much we know... but instead of feeling like a whole, amazing man because of what he achieved (and his otherwise great beauty, which perhaps was really a curse in his case...) his heart was so full of anger, and self-loathing, and alienation. Isolation. It's terribly painful and lonely. But he wouldn't address those feelings, as a responsible person should. Of *course* it's difficult and painful -- agonizing -- to confront those feelings, but it's also the responsibility of a man: to cope with those feelings instead of being in denial, and then -- inevitably! -- dumping it on a woman (I don't mean this aspect is a gender thing; it'd be the same if he were a woman: just, whatever -- a partner) a trusting, generous woman who I'm sure did *not* look down on him at all -- quite the contrary -- as he looked down on himself.
But he couldn't see it. I see it: She was trying to help him, to *prove* to him that a ravingly beautiful woman loved and accepted him just as he was. She wanted to give him that gift, and whether they stayed together or not. But he couldn't see it: he couldn't accept her love because he didn't love himself first. But since she 'took on' (in his eyes) *the responsibility of making him feel adequate*, then when he didn't -- it was her fault, of course! He couldn't believe her -- because to do so, he'd have to love himself first! That is the only way -- it was *not* her fault that she couldn't! But he didn't know that. His narcissism made him project all his self-hate and (self) rejection onto her... so when she tried to *leave* him... well, in his eyes, she was 'proving' that she didn't love him, that it was all an act, just to get to be with the big, world famous, star athlete..! I can almost hear the accusations! Hysterical accusations. More than fear: abandonment panic, at that moment, imo... All projection... All bewildering to her.
If she'd been older and wiser, she'd have realized sooner that nothing she could do would *ever* be enough to make him accept himself. But she didn't know. If he'd been wiser -- gone to counseling, accepted the responsibility for his feelings -- he'd have seen she could never do that for him. But alas, she was quite naive, and idealistic about love... and I suppose he was, too, in his way. But also very, very angry. Ready to explode. And he did explode when she 'rejected' him -- which she did only because he was telling her she was failing! *Paradoxical, but very human, behavior* -- but from a truly dangerous man. Alas, Reeva.
If only she'd known. But I believe this man was a ticking bomb, almost sure to go off on someone soon. She thought she could bring him inner peace: that part makes me so sad. Sad even for him. Because her *lovingness* put her in harms way. That's what I can't forgive. He destroyed her for loving him.
Rest In Peace, beautiful soul Reeva.
weather your famous or disabled, if you kill someone you should get the same punishment as a normal person. I bet if he was a nobody he would be in prison now serving 15 to 20 years. South African law is a joke and the judge is awful
Then think again
Some people are above the law though
0 sympathy for Oscar. His lawyer tried though, but it ain't working. JUST GIVE HIM JAIL TIME?? 20 + years will do.
i have many sympathy for Oscar - like others on FB - and i hope he is coming out of jail soon :-)
Oscar has suffered enough.He has paid for his crime,The steenkamps got blood money from him.
He is a broken man.
This was a manslaughter case,not murder.
Sending him to prison for twenty years will serve no purpose Restorative justice is what is required
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+Veritas Aequitas this is a manslaughter case.He did not intentionally shoot her
You are missing the point, he intentionally shot the person who was behind the toilet door and he knew that in such a small space, with nowhere to hide, it was likely that he would have killed, this is why he was found guilty of murder.
AND YOU WERE THERE TO ENSURE THAT?
Mayker Gutierrez If you are addressing me, I watched the trial in the lower court and also watched the Supreme Court ruling when the culpable homicide verdict was overturned and Oscar was, instead, convicted of murder.
This Judge Masipa is now so very obviously biased against Advocate Nel for taking the matter to the Constitutional Court which revealed her incompetency.
The sad thing about the Criminal Law is that Barry Roux is an intelligent man who knows, deep down in his heart, what the real truth is. Owing to the nature of his job, he has to disguise his own genuine belief but to defend Oscar's story and make it believable to Judge Marsipa just because he has been paid as Oscar's defending lawyer. This is how the criminal justice system works. I am afraid it is pretty much down to the skills of the lawyer rather than the real truth of a case which convicts or acquits a suspect. Once again, so sad.
let the justice system be consistent and fair to all that is the worry that mostly haunts Oscar. There are people in prison with wheel chairs convicted for lesser offenses.
My ex brother-in-law had double amputees as well as an adult, just below the one knee and just above the other, but boy could he move on those stumps! So why would OP have a difficulty to walk on his stumps when he has them almost all his life? Must say OP deserves an Oscar for great acting!
Sweetheart, there is a video on TH-cam of Oscar 'running' on his stumps with one arm outstretch and the other holding onto nothing at all. He was re-enacting the way he ran to the bathroom on the night of the murder.
He is a spineless man with no shame at all.
My lady's judgement in the original trial made no sense and believed OP's ridiculous intruder story while admitting he was a poor witness. I fear that she will give OP way too much of a lenient sentence this time around, My lady emphasized his disability in her reasoning for her original judgment that I'm not surprised the defense is trying to capitalize on her sympathy by having him wobble and try to look vulnerable without his legs. He didn't show the same awkwardness in his defenses video of his reenactment of the night he killed Reeva. More bad acting from OP
I thought there was gonna be another judge presiding this time? she was useless last time. Ugh!
Moira Gadsden, the case is not being retried so wouldn't make sense to have a new judge, would it? Furthermore, she allowed the State to appeal to the Supreme Court for a ruling. I, personally, didn't agree with her judgement, but the SCA found no fault with her handling of the trial. I find something really 'off' about her judgement and reasoning in this case.
Ah! Thanks for the info.
@@Sparrowdean I think she had a kind of post colonial haze about Oscar and his "importance". She was so so sympathetic to him for this reason. Little does she know Oscar is from old racist stock fearing the mythical "black intruder" at every turn. So sick Oscar made THAT particular story up to cover his murderous rage at Reeva.
Why is the judge that made such a mess of the trial allowed to be in sole charge of the sentencing
I am still convinced that the judge received some sort of payment from Oscar's uncle. It's her fault that all this nonsense is still going on. Oscar should be in jail!! Ps. glad they have a new translator
If you believe that the defence team would have just accepted a murder conviction and life in prison for Oscar, without finding some spurious grounds on which to lodge an appeal or claim a mistrial, you're very naive. Until the money dries up they'll fight to keep Oscar out of prison or to obtain an early release for him.
+Sparrow Dean Yes, until the money dries up, the Steenkamp family will keep charging $50.000 per interview.
MsNuyi..I agree...she couldnt even read her own summation..Why? because SHE DID NOT WRITE IT HERSELF.. He was finally given 15 years..not enough.
i really dont like what happened on the 15 of June, he also has feelings and that need to be considered to...
OP was NOT on his stumps - he had his legs on, because he was chasing Reeva, because she wanted to leave him that night. Her cloths were packed already. Then she ran into the toilet, locked the door and had her cell phone with her. She was so scared!
why dont they just let him go.... he is sorry for god's sake.oh please just give him another chance.... am sorry but, i just feel like we just need to move on from this...
He should get the original five year sentence plus maybe an additional three years of correctional supervision. There is not much difference between the previous sentence hearing and the present one as far as the facts of the case goes.
Nell is right on...focus should be 100% on the brokenness and devastating pain Reevas family experienced and still experience after losing Reeve...not on the guilt ridden brokenness or the suffering of consequences Oscar has experienced since killing Reeva..
She should give him at least one day for each time Nel said "My Lady" during the entire trial
I thought it was Parker from Thunderbirds lol....Yes My Lady
Anybody else watching the murderer on his ITV interview? Its on TV here where i live and he has been trying to cry but can't produce one tear for Reeva! The guy is such a liar and people in our community can see his obvious guilt and lack of remorse, only acting that has done him no favours here in our community! Lock him up and throw away the key! JUSTICE FOR REEVA AND THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA, RIP REEVA
Really going low now Barry as you know you've already lost, trying to play for sympathy, very disgraceful tactics
Barry is driving me crazy with all his bla bla bla - poor Judge - cannot wait for Nel to be on this "sentence hearing"!!
He's broken, but Reeva is dead. I believe the witnesses that testified that they heard a woman screaming, and it could only have been Reeva, and then one must ask oneself why she screamed. Either because they were having a fight before the shots, or because she felt threatened. Both indicative that it was not as harmonious as Oscar would like all to believe.
Oscar claimed it was him screaming, but the witnesses testified they have heard a women screaming before the shooting.
Also they werent sleeping, because Reeva had food in her stomach. She was eating between 1 and 2 am, shortly after she was shot.
This Monster murdered Reeva on valentines day.
Steven Steven More than one witness testified that it was a woman. They couldn't all have been wrong. I don't believe Oscar.
He's only broken because he actually realize that he could go to jail WHERE HE BELONG!!!!!!!
Mariette Lombaard Exactly!
You write that Reeva screamed before he opened fire. Reeva was inside a locked room. Its very difficult to make someone scream in this situation. If you take the time to work out how he did it the answer will take your breath away and it will also give you an insight into what he did after she locked herself in.
12 jurors in the US would have convicted him on the circumstantial evidence of an argument. Texas would have given him life. The evidence showed an argument, not a mistake in Oscar's perception.
It would be unfair if he is put back in society. He should serve a sentence like any other criminal, no privileges just because he's famous or disabled. His disability didn't stop him from taking a life! I disagree with his lawyer's plea to let him do community work.
Reeva's mother is still attractive and beautiful even at this age. She's a complete copy of her mom. Poor Reeva. :((((
What is that unfriendly lady always doing in court! Who pays for her flights and accomodation in Pretoria? I saw her and June Steenkamp in Brooklyn Mall one day.
Oscar does look a shell of his former self.
Don't be so gullible. He's drugged to the hilt and has to play "poor little rich boy" in order to get lower sentence. Milking it for all he is worth too. Look on You Tube you will see him running on his stumps but in court boo hoo display.
A lot of it could be acting. He's rubs his eyes and nose frequently. That causes puffiness. He may have stayed up all night just so he'd look tired. It's easy to put on a show. It could take him a day or two to get rest and look normal again. This man will go to his grave, being dishonest. He never was a golden boy.
BOB OVER Of course he is one big act! I would not be surprised if he took an emetic during the trial to vomit and most people of any intelligence can see right through him. Evil piece of flotsam. Pity we dont have the gallows here but in any case Masipa is now so obviously biased against Adv Nel she will want to upstage him by giving the little moron a short sentence or hospitalization which is what he is trying to achieve. A shame on Reeva Steenkamp's memory. His story is an insult to everyone's intelligence!!!!
***** I did ha ha my first thought was "He's put on his poor clothes for the next act". And did you notice that woman had to help him to hold on to the desk at the end of the stump act as if he was completely useless suddenly?
***** I agree 100%. Why not say look we had an argument or she wanted to leave and I lost it and I made a really poor judgement call. Even that would have been a bad way to react with a firearm but more believable than all his BS versions. I often wonder how the lure of money could override an attorney to act in defence of such scum. How do they sleep at night?
A jury would have found him guilty
He ia a convict so stop calling him the accused
The question is why his girlfriend locked the bathroom door with two mobile phones? From whom was she trying to lock herself out? Why was he trying to get to her with the baseball bat and with no success used the gun firing 4 bullets as if he was hunting a rhinoceros? The neighbours heard that she was screaming when he wounded her hip with one bullet but no he has to fire 3 other shots just to make sure , the final one to the head so she can't press charges against him. He's gun happy the last time he fired the gun his friend took a blame so he avoids a bad publicity , even asked his girlfriend to keep quiet about it. He's not used to take the responsibility for his actions and is hoping to avoid it this time round. Using his disability when it suits him but fit enough to be 24 times Gold medalist. To believe his story you have to be very naive and gullible. Nevertheless, he took a life and now he has to pay instead of trying to wiggle his way out of justice that he's due.
O and R had argued
R wanted to leave
O kidnapped her jeans
She threatened to call the police
Panicked , O screamed at her to get out of his house
Scared, R locked herself in the toilet.
Now she could make the call from inside a locked room. Stopping her was paramount so he ran for his bat
To find out what happened after you have you ask yourself another Q
Reeva screamed before he opened fire
How did O make R scream when she was in a locked room ?
Maybe she wanted to read his texts or hide hers from his demands . Maybe she receive a text from her past boyfriend. He was in rage and demanded she come out !! So in a fit of jealous rage he kept shooting thinking it will scare her to come out . Not thinking he would actually kill her. He was clearly out of his mind . Too late
He was found guilty of murder, correct? Why is Roux arguing the guilty verdict and suggesting reasonable doubt? (Not necessarily a criticism, I know nothing of the SA justice system, simply curious.) Was this courts previous ruling overturned by the supreme court and now its back in front of this judge for sentencing on the supreme courts ruling? That leaves the door open for all sorts of 'payback' type decisions?
Welcome to 3rd world South Africa, with strange or sometimes no laws at all. Now u know why its the murder capital of the world. If you wanna murder somebody book a holiday to SA.
Do not be fooled. Check out You Tube video of him running on those stumps lol what a joke this all is.
if he shouted to the intruder to "'get out of my house"'.....wouldnt reeva have said it was her in the cubical?
Did he say that....or just lied about saying that!!!!
murder is murder....END of story.... Be a man and own up
There is a high probability that Reeva heard him yell, and did not say anything as she was afraid of giving her position away to the intruders.
ooh okay...tnx
I realize that this question this is not important but why is he in court with a T-shirt and running shorts?
Because there showing his legs they can't show legs with long pants on
Oscar is penniless because Roux has took all his money for his third rate defense.
The party is finished pathetic Oscar, your place is in jail as long as possible.
Some very nasty comments on here, not only about Oscar but Barry Roux and Judge Masipa aswell, which I find incredible !!!!!!
*Brings up a case of non-prosecution of a Dolus Eventualis case* Roux: But I am not asking for non-prosecution! - So why bring it up, Barry?
Seriously, I'm not expecting anything but the bare minimum sentence from this judge. I just wish the court that overturned the culpable homicide passed the sentence instead. They were, after-all, flabbergasted by her decision.
Go and cough outside the court - it is very annoying to listen to all the coughing!
I'm not buying his story, but was anyway disgusted by the people filming with their cellphones. Come on, it's live on TV did you really have to?
Mi dispiace ma non riesco AD uscirne neanch'io
Oscar looks as if he isn't even on this planet or knows whats going on! He must be on some seriously heavy anti-depressants. He's out of it!
yeh he looked in another timezone, he looked very old beyond his time
he wasn't in this situation after the first result from Mrs Masipa with 5 years- but after then - with re-court and Mr. Nel..- this happened now..
He hasn't paid with his life!!!! His legal team showed bad judgment by stressing what this killer has lost. He lost it all due to his vile bad temper! They hardly mention Reeva and what she and her family lost. That beautiful lady lost the ultimatething, she lost her life.
I have equal sympathy and empathy for both sides. It was heartwrenching to see Barry Steenkamp testify and was heartwrenching to see Oscar have to stand so exposed like that in front of the whole world.
Nearly everyone in the comments section is ripping Oscar up, yet before you pass judgement, I recommend that you all watch Derren Brown's BBC episode about how its possible to turn a normative person into a murderer.
After watching that episode I believe that fully 80% of men in today's extremely ego-based society would have failed with flying colors the test that Oscar was put to that night. There is a huge grey area here. This started out as involuntary manslaughter and progressed in a matter of seconds to murder.
As I said, taking into consideration Oscar's truely unique circumstances (fairy-tale life story) most would have failed the test spectacularily. This is not to say that Reeva's murder was OK.
Well, Sorry. You seem to condone and reason out and justify that it was because of the extremely ego-based society that he did this although you end your post with a contradiction that you don't say it is ok.. That is unfortunately not the question at hand. The fact of the matter is very simple.. The Supreme court has found a civilian guilty of murder. Anyone under the law of the land will have to be punished according to what the laws are for the crime committed. Anyone convicted of murder should get 15 years minimum. Disability is not a mitigating factor in sentencing. May be during adjudication of guilt could have held a higher level of relevance and importance. Unfortunately for him, as per the letter of the law, he has been found guilty. Its not about fairly tale life story or any thing else. He is a civilian. Found guilty of murder. It has been adjudicated by the highest court in the land - with way more educated and experienced judges than most civilians that he is guilty of Murder. That is it. He needs to face the consequences of his actions. No privilege. Laws and punishments are for everyone and they should be equal for everyone...
Allan Joshua Allan, I don't disagree that he should pay for his crime and that it was murder but one cannot look at this unique case in black and white. One MUST take into consideration his absolute unique situation, his lack of judgement (which is why mentally insane individuals cannot be tried for murder. I am not saying he is mentally insane), his anxiety which helped to push him over the edge, and his service to the community.
And I am not at all contradicting myself. I do not condone his actions whatsoever. I just understand where they came from. Just because I understand does not mean that I condone.
Right. He had his right to a lawyer and a man is innocent until proven guilty. He was given his right to prove that he was innocent. In fact he paid for one of the most expensive lawyers which is a privilege in itself. A poor man could never have afforded Barry Roux. After careful consideration of his fairy tale life and his unique circumstances, the highest authority in South Africa, found him guilty of murder.. Every other story of his circumstances unfortunately is not relevant at this stage of the process. It could be considered a mitigating factor sure but if the country's judicial system is not a joke, the punishment should fit the crime.. He needs to go in for 15 years... Here is this guy able to argue that he was not guilty but another young woman who had her life ahead of her cannot walk in court to try to get the sympathy of the world. That is the hard truth which people have to understand before feeling sorry for him. Actions have consequences.. For this action, 15 years.. Period. He has already been found guilty of murder.
Allan Joshua If I had time I would explain what I believe happened that night. He was put to a test that I believe fully 80% of men would have failed with flying colors. Search Derren Brown BBC episode - How to turn a person into a murderer.
There are so many aspects to this case that warrant him getting less than the 15 years minimum.
Again, what BBC says and what civilians can happily debate is not what the law is in the land. The test for guilt is objective not subjective although the subjectivity might be considered before declaring guilt. What has happened in this case is that, the supreme court, the most powerful court in the land has found him guilty of murder... Debating guilt is literally futile and silly...
Oscar is going to get, some think, a long jail sentence but he only has to serve 1/6 of that. So if he gets say 20 years he is out in 3+ less what he has already served 1.5 and if Roux pleads disability I can see him going straight back to uncle Festers in Pisto Palace in no time at all.
She interrupted him toward the end just to be a jerk I think
"Some people refuse to look at the real facts" ~ said the murderer's lawyer~ HE UNDERSTANDS THAT VERY WELL! Further the beautiful Reeva explained CLEARLY how she felt in her letter to the murderer, that was read in court. She explained his jealous behaviour at her friends engagement celebration etc. They were together for three months and he was acting up with the same OJ Simpson behaviour ANOTHER SPORTS HERO hence the same AWFUL and unimaginable result. Reeva's dear father explained it well how scared she must have been in that cubicle ~ with no way out, away from his rage! Why would she lock herself inside a cubicle off the bathroom? Yet, Reeva's parents and family had to sit through all these made up stories! CRUEL!
Maybe she needed to use the toilet...?
YOUR comment is IGNORANT! maybe locking a toilet DOOR of the main bathroom is something you would do where you're from or how you behave around other humans you associate with (man or women) when you are dating someone for 3 months and are in love etc. If you had to lock yourself in a toilet cubicle from that person? what are you doing there? you would have to ask yourself! Celebrating valentine's day ~ that's not how it works even if you have to use the toilet! A CRASS and SHAMEFUL comment! not FUNNY or Clever! SHAME.
+Mute Swan There is nothing shocking about locking the door of a toilet.
NO there isn't !!!!! ONLY if you have an OUT OF CONTROL murderer shooting BULLETS at You through that door or any door. An O J Simpson SAGA repeat! OJ the SPORT HERO used a knife for HIS slaughter Oscar the SPORT HERO used his favourite gun and bullets to commit his slaughter! TWO SPORT HEROS ~ with ALL that little boy CHARM and HOW the TWO O's want to STAY FREE after the fact AND CONTINUE ON WITH LIFE after all it was only a slaughter of the women who made them anger an insecure! The women are out of the picture (slaughtered) so let the SPORT HEROS carry on ~AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY'S SPORT HEROS!!!!!! DISCUSSING AND DISGRACEFUL!
I'm suitably reprimanded.
Put him in a real Prison /Polsmore/Kockstad Correctional Prison No excuse Wil make up for what he did with his B/S Crying mxm
I can't believe their debating whether prison would be cruel and unusual punishment for a murderer. It also sound like they're debating the verdict when the verdict is already guilty of murder. He wrongly killed someone and prison is where they go. Put the fucker in prison for 15 years and let Reeva's family rest. Now!
They shouldn't make him walk on his stumps for pity - They're trying to get him house arrest, not prison and playing on sympathy! Warning yell, warning shot, one shot, not one, two, three, four...Not knowing that whoever was there - If for some insane reason he didn't 'know' it was Reeva he KNEW he was going to kill someone and now they know they can only play on the pity card, poor Oscar! No, its poor Reeva. She's dead. Oscar isn't. Legs or not, intent or not, its still murder and murderers end up in prison, not sitting on the sofa with your gun and new girlfriend in tow in luxury still - Watch Reeva's father's testimony and then say poor Oscar
*Oscar Pistorious!*
*Something else that I can see!*
I know that Oscar was shown on his stumps today and after he walked for quite some time, he knelt on a cushion because the weight of his body was too much.
If this is the case, then how is it that Oscar was able to walk down the LONG passage way to the restroom, holding a gun while on his stumps and holding onto the wall.
Oscar was holding onto things in the courtroom and he wasn't able to hold up that long, so he knelt on a cushion.
This is why I sincerely believed from the beginning that Oscar DID have on his stumps while shooting BUT he KNELT DOWN while shooting.
I'm not trying to be mean but I just felt let to comment on this! God knows that I have no malicious feelings towards Oscar. I just want justice to be served. Take a look at the post attached in this post okay. Make sure you check it out but be careful for graphic material. Reeva is shown DEAD & BLOODY with GUN SHOT WOMBS on her!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3642439/Judge-ALLOWS-graphic-crime-scene-pictures-Reeva-Steenkamp-public.html
Roux asked O to do a cricket bat demo on the door without his legs on.
Why didn’t Nel do a gun demo at the same time to ascertain if O shooting stance matched up to the bullet holes. He only had to be an inch or two out to make a dramatic difference
Rob Fell Probably because Mr Nel knew that we would have another trail because Oscar will probably start shooting again. lol Nel will likely do so but I don't understand why Mr. Roux is fighting for Oscar to NOT go back to Prison. The min is 15 years. I think Roux is trying to get Oscar to do time at his uncles house. That's ridiculous.
Another thought just wafted into my brain. If as O would have us believe he is so unsteady on his stumps then surely firing that powerful gun four times in the dark would blow him flat on his arse. Did they check the ceiling ?
Another small point . If O fired in the dark then he would have been blinded by muzzle flashes and deafened but only ever mentioned being deafened. The lights were on !
If they had argued ---------- The lights were on !
Red Bone
seen Oskar's uncontrollable reaction when Kim said that "Reeva liked him, but did not love him" ? .... that's probably the one thing that haunts his mind because that's probably one of the last things Reeva told him before getting shot in that cubicle.
The rest of his burglar story is nothing but BS.
Whatever will be decided by the judge is ultimately irrelevant ; Reeva's parents condemmed him already by having the pictures of her wounds released to the public ; his name will forever be linked to his shooting his "girlfriend" (or probably "percieved possession") no matter what happens to him, or what he does.
He's done. Rightly so.
Samantha Greyvensteyn made an affidavit stating that told her she loved Oscar and if he asked her to marry him, she would.
EISH guys just try to listen to this song on you tube by, TARIMAN WEST
did he not say it takes a long time to put on his legs? that looked pretty quick to me. also did he not say that he ran to put on his legs and get the bat? so why was he acting like he can hardly hold his balance, yet he ran and realised it was actually Reeva. mmm
It takes him at least 25 seconds to put on his prosthetic legs. Also, in his affidavit, he says very clearly that after firing the shots, he was worried about the lack of reply from Reeva and went to to check on her in the bedroom. When he found that she wasn't in bed, he returned to the bathroom and tried to open the door, but it was locked. So, he "rushed" into the bedroom to call out for help on the balcony. Then, he put on his prostethic legs and "ran" back to the bathroom, where he tried to kick open the door of the cubicle.
The only person to blame for this entire protracted heartbreaking court drama is the Judge Marsipa. She has allowed this obvious plain acting by Oscar to cover up his horrendous act of murder towards Reeva. Judge Marsipa showed sympathy towards Oscar and bought his story which any sensible person on Earth would never buy. If Judge Leach had presided over the original trial, it would have been game over pretty quickly with a verdict dolus directus and life imprisonment. Sadly this Marsipa has the power to allow Oscar's garbage to linger on for this length of time causing so much more pain to Reeva's family. My verdict is Marsipa is guilty of poor management of the entire case and should not be allowed to have any further dealing with the case. Please save any more pain inflicted on Reeva's family by stopping Marsipa any more appalling handling of the case. All of these are caused by one Judge Marsipa. So sad.
He murdered his girlfriend on valentines day, it aint rocket science.
Judge Leach should take charge, this is a white on white murder case in SA so we need a white male judge and not the opposite.
Yes, can't agree more with you.
Steven Steven and Kwok Kan , it may have escaped both your attention but this trial is taking place in Africa. And if you are suggesting that criminals should only be judged by their own racial group, perhaps whites in South Africa should re-locate to their countries of origin.
Further, perhaps the same rules should apply in other countries as well and, as well as racial considerations, perhaps there should be Jewish and Muslim courts to try Jews and Muslims or protestant and catholic courts, or even gender specific courts.
Im sure he is innocent
So was OJ simmson
David Foster Its Simpson mate, and you can’t compare the 2 cases !!!!!
@@tina5203 Yes but both guilty
David Foster Look here mate, I’ve seen all your nasty comments about Oscar . There was No evidence to suggest this was a premeditated murder case, and if you are so convinced it was then take your hard evidence to the NPA in South Africa and let them take a look. You are making assumptions, which are not the same as FACTS !!!!!
Bit like me taking my high heels off.
Reeva will hunt him forever, or his conscience if he has
I never understood why he didn't check that Reeva was safe in bed next to him before he picked up the gun.
It was a hot night and Oscar had trouble sleeping. As he sat up in his bed, Reeva was lying next to him and asked him if he couldn't sleep. Oscar got up, brought in the fans from the balcony, and drew the blackout curtains.
It is believed that Reeva must have silently gone to the toilet while his back was turned to the room. So when he heard the noise emanating from the bathroom, he was under the impression that it was an intruder in his home. In his mind, Reeva was still safely in bed. He had not heard her leave the room.
RedPanda Regardless of blackout curtains, it was light enough in the room for him to see her jeans on the floor and to use it to cover the light on his music system. That being the case, how come he didn't notice that the bed was empty when he returned to the bedroom for his gun?
Furthermore, even the defence's expert said that there was ambient light entering the bedroom with even the curtains drawn and his ex-girlfriend testified that Oscar never kept his bedroom in complete darkness.
And, why didn't he think it odd that, in spite of his screaming and shouting at her to get down and to call the police, she never once murmured a word? And how could he not notice that the bed was empty, when he went to fetch the gun from under it?
+RedPanda Ha! He heard 'someone in the bathroom' which is further away and yet he didn't hear Reeva get out of bed. Really?
+Sparrow Dean He had a gun by his bed ffs! Who the hell does that and not expect to use it to kill.
Are you Oscar himself behind that panda costume? Who the fuck would believe that bullcrap you're saying?
If she was not in love with Oscar why did he went to spend the night
Oscar shud get an Oscar for his acting to luk vulnerable n sad for reeva and fake tears..he didn't show any sympathy to reeva while he was killing her..so judge masipa-- the court is not for showing sympathy for a liar killer its for the justice. He didn't let reeva to live her life so he doesn't hav any right to live..i have seen his video walking on his stamp n carrying his sister he lukd very strong there..he shud get the full punishment for murder..he is a strong man that's why he was the fastest blade runner..the story to kill an intruder even a child will not bliv dat..rot in jail and rot in hell mr op
Nel has made a good case to ensure Masipa knows it's the duty of the court to sentence him to no less than 15 years. It's all he can do. Masipa knows she messed up. I'm guessing 15 years without parole to include time already served so he'll be in for 14 years. Masipa will seriously piss me off, if it's any less. And jeez, his brother Carl and uncle Arnold are seriously annoying. Anyway with a brain cell of a snail (and it's recently been found out they have only two) can see all the bullshit. Fair play to Barry Roux. Tough job to defend someone like that when you know he's guilty.
How did she get involved with this gun maniac no respect for firearms a spoilt no good person. What hes done .25 years he took her young life he should lose his.
Because he is Oscar. She lived with a nice writer before Oscar . She should have stayed there . Sad end
Oscar was in the process of being illuminated, unfortunately he didn't qualify for it. I think this game is too dangerous for the public Leave it just the way it is before some other girl also gets killed. Oscar can't handle extreme preasure,screaming,fights etc.
murder is murder he shud never have been let out to uncle's house he shud be away for very long time. He will get on with his life one day no doubt he will profit from selling his story whilst Riva has no future and her family are tortured forever. Her poor father is destroyed.
Mr. Visagie’s tragedy cannot be compared to Oscar’s lunacy and narcissistic personality.
Bo io sto aspettando la lettera della condanna definitiva ma non mi anno ancora messa dentro speriamo öiberino te
All the people in the comments are talking from a retribution and revengeful perspective, exactly what this lawyer said is wrong, jail time is about rehabilitation, not revenge or retribution, a man can be rehabilitate in a year.l
Yall need JESUS,
Go to jail
His liar should hang his head in shame also, you creep you know what he did that night!
No words can describe the pain for both families and what they are going through as grief is an awful process.
A retrial IS correct, yet both sides have gone too extreme to make their points proven through global media. Absolutely no need for Reeva to have her dignity exposed without her choice or voice, we have all read and heard enough to know the extensive damage caused. We DO NOT need pictures. Equally no need to expose a disabled person to make him look more vulnerable to try prove not committing murder. Anyone with a gun in their hand has an ability to kill. Killing is murder, and he killed - simple.
Also is Oscar is getting secretly endorsed again by Nike........if so its absolutely appalling!? In court at a point when he knows he's being exposed without his legs he's top and bottom in their brand and too for the ITV interview coming up.
OP is a spoilt snivelling man child.
16:24 Roux embarrassed himself lol
This judge is bribed
There is no proof that the judge has been bribed. However, there is proof that the Steenkamp family charges up to $50.000 for an interview. $25.000 for photographic rights, of the ceremony in which they scattered Reeva's ashes onto the ocean.
I hope he gets the same amount of years as Gerrie Nel said "me lady" lol, love him though think he is wicked xxx
Almost.... he got 15 effectively minus time served, so 13.5.
Ek dink die game is om vir kak te soek.
I’d like to see Pistorius in jail for life never mind 15 years.
Nile Rodgers is a music legend; but a useless judge.
Fattelo uscire e basta
Shame
Auguri a voi io sono stanca
Quell avvocato tre a ancora lassasina
Ladykilla ???
go to hell or Jail
Si a me la testa dalla stanchezza psicologica fisica
Mi dispiace ma sono così stanca di questa vita di merda o visto anche troppo
Cagliari portare l'auto AD aggiustare li chi c'è marta poi chi la hostess e ci sarà lassasina e chi andava da lula
Io nono avvocati none voglio non voglio essere difesa da nessuno perché quelli molti c'erano in mezzo usavano te
Che razza di manicomio entrano tutti per fare anche male mi dispiace tantti sono così stanca ma al giudice o dovuto dire che non volevo fare soldi loro sono convinte così quanta differenza non sapete ciò che fanno pure di diventare famose o usarmi
Si e coricarsi e stanca deve pulire la casa l fidanzata Napoli e coricato sul divano il negozio lo apre quattro forse e partita dal amante
Mr. Roux please, put a sock in it…😂
Roux made an absolute arse of himself.
L'avvocato saövatore e sempre attivo azienda Romania salsiccia Annalisa addetto tuo cognato francesco bardelinu tu puoi attaccare alle nove a me mi urlava la tutor a öode arrivava ore non v'è la tutor assasina in ufficio divisa uguale addetto perbene a bitti c'è chi chiamava sorelle e faceva una cosa e l'altra