Wonderful work. It is vital to tell this history. It must never be forgotten. My child is a high school student in America. They have a history unit covering WWII, but there is so much more to tell. It is so complex. Younger generations must be taught, and understand. Your efforts are appreciated.
Thank you - I have not published much recently related to the Holocaust. You might wish to see my channel History on TH-cam where I may start to publish material again.
My friend said that about Auschwitz.....where many of his ancestors perished, He went there from NZ twice to gain understanding of what happened to his relatives. He said the place was haunted, the saddest place on earth. He was deeply affected by it.
Thanks Alan, for your important documentation. As an Austrian born in 1969 I feel some form of "collective responsibility" for all these almost unspeakable atrocities committed in the Holocaust. It is so important that we are time and again reminded of what was going on. This is the only way of ensuring as best as we can that this will never ever happen again! Thanks for your contributions to this important exercise in humanity!
@alanheath I am so grateful that you are continuing your films. I would love to see documentation on the ghettos as well as the camps. I mean it would be interesting, just not sure if I could read it being in another language and all. Congrats on making your local press!! I'd love to see that article. I'm very proud of you!
Your statement is totally absurd. If it is a construction site what type of construction is it. Furthermore, the author of the photos, the deputy commandant, did not deny what it was when arrested. There were only around 500 inmates and they clearly would not be housed in the graves area. 1,900 deaths a day is not so large given that there were days when 20,000 people were deported there. Those that claim that nothing happened here are those whose ideas are without substance.
@lynchie3000 There are photographs of the 'zoo' at Treblinka II. Topsoil does not make holes that big. As for the sand, I refer you to any reference book on the nature of the land in this part of the world. I have never heard of the book you quote but if that is what is written it is completely incorrect. What source does the book quote? Or did you make it up?
Hi have read testimony that the potential death count at Treblinka may have been over 3 million, based on observations made by local farmers counting the trainloads of people on the way to the camp, and empty trains returning back along the line. This seems very high, but I feel that the 'official' death toll of around 750,000 may be somewhat conservative.
+Martyn Lee We know how many people were killed in 1942 from the Hoefle telegram. How many were killed in 1943 is unknown. The station master at Trevlinka claims to have made a record via the Polish resistance giving a total of 1.2m based on numbers on the waggons but I doubt this is correct as it would be almost impossible to count all the numbers. They may have counted the wagons going in but the number of victims in each case varied enormously from over 100 to less than 30.
+Alan Heath, yes, that telegram with a number of 435k? That was indeed from end 1942 when the 2nd commander, Stangl was put in charge: that guy made Treblinka into the true horror-machine even the Nazi-SS feared of 'being seen by the world's eye' that '435k' was the figure of the 'smaller'Treblinka II, mostly under the command of Eberl, who made a mess of things regularly: Stangls report on arriving at Treblinka clearly said there were piles of corpses everyhere, some of them hundreds of meters outside the camp, near the tracks. It was under Stangl that the camp expanded, and received even more gaschambers. This was said to give the camp a capacity of 12-15000 a day, atleast, though this number was never met(peak was i think 13.6k on one day. Remains horrific to imagine ofcourse.). Still Treblinka was always working around the clock to process the trainloads. But a rough count here: The SS hated to work on weekends, so that leaves 5 days a week, make that.. ~250 days a year? A train would have 50 to 60 wagons carrying 100+ people each, 2-3, sometimes 4 trains arrived per day? Even if theres 'only' 8000 people 'averagely killed' per workday, thats still an easy 2 million in a year, Treblinka stood for about 1.5 year so that 3Million could easily have been a solid figure. Treblinka had all the capacity for it. I believe the truth on the Holocaust to be quite surpressed. For the best also: if mankind knew the real numbers, the retaliation demanded would be unimaginable. The current numbers leave 'something to guess'. And plenty to remember. I think, the actual truth on the scale of these índustrial sized killing factory's' is far more macabre then even the highest ranking officers in the army's then, dáred to imagine. Auschwitz has records of taking in around 6Million prisoners. and 'only '1.1M of them died there; the other 4.9M all survived? Yes some were taken to other camps? No! Auschwitz was and end-station, just like Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, and Belzec
Hi Green R, While I prefer to follow Mr Heath's conservative assessment of the available evidence, I subjectively agree with you wholeheartedly. There were countless shtetls that simply disappeared and their SS murderers, as well as, in some cases, the locals, not only wiped out all traces of their existence, but also destroyed the cemeteries and used the gravestones to pave roads for heavy vehicles. When considering some of the newer studies (e.g. that of the unfortunately late and great David Caesrani, Lawrence Rees, Robin O'Conner), as well as the numerous previous Holocaust scholars, the inferred huge numbers of missing peoples, and whole communities must have at least been partly murdered in either the Reinhard camps or Birkenau. I still wonder about those possible additional smaller "facilities" (in the style of post-Operation Reinhard Trieste - where Wirth took his most productive fellow murderers to have a go at the Italian Jews) that have been hypothesized to have briefly existed at other sites along the Bug. Mr. Heath - (kudos to your careful historically-based documentation) any info about these occasionally mentioned camps? Among other places, the former Treblinka prosecutor, Alfred Spiess, mentioned them in his interview with Claude Lanzman in Shoah.
@@VanlifewithAlan Herman Hoefle is one of the most evil people in history. I'v often asked myself, were Germans born evil or became evil. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_H%C3%B6fle
*The Holocaust deniers have repeatedly asked "Where are the bodies, show us the graves?", implying Treblinka was too small to hold 900 000 bodies (actually ashes) These ghouls should be informed that the largest cemetery in the world is Wadi-Ali-Salaam, Iraq, which contains 10 million graves, the Olsdorf cemetery in Hamburg contains 1.5 million, the Zentrahof, Vienna, contains 3 million graves, Arlington DC USA 400 000, Brookwood Cemetery, London, 235 000, and Rookwood Cemetery Australia 915 000, And how many bodies have vanished in Council run Crematoriums worldwide? So disposing of bodies is no great achievement, its been practised worldwide for centurys*
Me too.I visited Auschwitz and two of the other Eastern Poland camps and each spot had a very oppressively sad vibe...totally understandable but still heavy to take on board.But I did and am sick at how low and evil us human beings can be. Best wishes from Bournemouth UK ♥️☠😉
@1:58 I find it extremely difficult to believe the SS would ever take a photograph showing any portion of a gas chamber, not even if it was the old gas chamber and no longer in use.
@@VanlifewithAlan Too risky. They're so careful to only take "innocent" photographs - a digger, a wooden hut, an officer on horseback, etc. - that it just seems inconceivable to me that they would slip in a picture of an old gas chamber. I'm not even convinced the pictures of the excavator are showing mass graves being dug, even that seems too risky a picture. Seems far more likely to me that it's a picture of some simple landscaping inside the camp - perhaps creating a large mound in a spot that would block the view of something to incoming transports. Same with the Sobibor photographs. They're extremely careful to not show anything incriminating. Auschwitz too, except for the secret photographs taken by SK members. Also Wirth/Globocnic/Himmler would definitely have meted out executions if they found out about the pictures (or even the camera) if the pictures had shown anything incriminating, whereas with "innocent" pictures they may just have had them confiscated and a milder punishment.
It’s been sitting with me today and weighing me down hard. In another short video about Terblinka there was a comment. From someone, who said they were a grandchild of the German Veterinarian, who oversaw this Zoo. Long post. They said her grandparents met in Treblinka, as her grandmother was the only woman working on a “clam” - I suppose excavator type machine to dispose of the camp and hide it. And what struck me - she said her grandfather sheared his saddest memory of Treblinka was they had to kill the bears when they were leaving the camp. They had to kill the bears.... I cried for an hour afterwards. I have an ancestor who perished in Auschwitz - one of the first soviet POW. And I had such an urge to tell that granddaughter all I thought about the bears... rationally you understand it’s not her fault. But considering she is a granddaughter - that makes her my age. I will be 50 in a few years... And she is sharing the memories about the bears as his saddest????? I’d keep my mouth in embarrassment. But someone actually thanked her for sharing... Are we no longer humans in this world??? Just hurts. While my family was choking on Zyklon B, her grandpa was losing sleep over the shot few bears... right next to the place where they killed almost a million of another humans.
@lilliteningpea I saw Shoah many years ago - I think I also have it on VHS tape somewhere! I think it was this film which gave me the idea to do what I did on filming things in Poland! I can understand nearly all of the original language (as well as the French)! I have got a lot more from other camps if you are interested!
The crawler excavators that dug the mass graves at Treblinka II came from the gravel quarry at Treblinka 1. What I've always wondered about, concerning the digging of these mass graves was how much larger camp II (the extermination part of the camp) was, than what it's size looks like on the maps of the whole camp. To look at maps of the whole camp, it doesn't look like there was enough room to operate such large pieces of equipment. But then in the pictures, we see portions of camp II with some of its buildings in the background, leading me to believe camp II was actually much larger than maps seem to indicate.
It wasn’t very big. Didn’t need to be. Upon visiting Birkenau where the foundations of the extermination sites are still in place it struck me as a small area too… where a million people met their end. However it wasn’t all at once. It was 1000-3000 at a time over the course of YEARS. Thats why it was possible. Still.. the existing machinery was often overwhelmed at the sheer volume of human “cargo” they were processing. For the perpetrators that became their #1 priority and felt it distinguished them from others. Their ability to mechanically handle the logistics of genocide
Alan, have you seen the doc called Shoah on here. It's good, there are i think 59 parts to it, but very worth the watch. It does have subtitles, the folks are talking in 2 different languages which I am not sure what they are, but I know you speak a few languages so maybe you won't need the subtitles. Thanks for posting this vid, i know it's a few years old, but worth watching.
Hi Alan I am thinking of buying a book by Samuel Willenberg but i dont know whether to buy Surviving Treblinka or Revolt in Treblinka. Which one would you suggest as most informative in your opinion? Many thanks
This film is entitled Treblinka photographs. It is not entitled Treblinka killing people on a film or anything like that. You should read the title. If you go to see the new James Bond film and it is about James Bond I scarcely think you have grounds for complaint.
I can actually prove you sent the message because it is in my inbox with this new address of yours. As for me not knowing people who escaped from Sobibór, they may well have forgotten me but I have plenty of films here with people who escaped from the camp. I do not know the chairperson of the Sobibor Foundation Holland either - or for that matter, that such an organisation exists.
@alanheath Thanks Alan! I am interested. I can't get enough of learning about this time in our world. I find it intriguing and interesting, sad, and not understandable that people could do this to other people. Thank you again for all you do, and for sharing these sites that I will never get to see in my lifetime. I also enjoy the fact that you tell what's going on in the videos and interesting facts about them that I didn't know.
Cheers alan! I find it very interesting that whilst Franz was like that, boxing with prisoners etc, Stangl i think never even threatened a prisoner verbally. They were both promoted at this time aswel! The contrast is bizarre to me. Is his photo album in a museum somewhere??
HCN caused around one third of the people in the gas chamber to die instantly according to a guess by Hoess. The others would have died much more slowly and the proof of this is the evidence given by the Sonderkommando who talked of a pyramid shaped pile of people reaching to get as a high as possible away from the gas.
Alan Heath since this was Treblinka and therefore an ARC-camp, then Stangl, Frans, Suchomel, Wagner among a few other witnesses are more first hand testimonies than Höss about what happened there. Höss had (according to himself) visited Treblinka only at one occasion. Zyklon B was never used in the ARC-camps. Instead they used exhaust gases from stationary tank engines (a truck engine in the case of Chelmno).
A dark short part that will darken the name of Germany for the next 6000 years. Kids born 700 years from now will wonder the kind of barbarism and savagery that your little country produced.
As for your comment which you deleted - the Berlin Documentation Centre is not a secret record and Yad Vashem has the records from there. I was at Yad Vashem and used some of them there so I have first hand experience.
@trifelgeputinage Thanks for your comment - at the end of the day there is nothing one can do about the nuts. I still do not know if they believe this denial nonsense or just do it as a wind up.
The 'zoo' was for the amusement of the guards. The Nazis exhumed the bodies in 1943 and burnt them. I can't see the point of exhuming what is left of ashes.
Just wanna add that i have a very deep respect for blind people- with no doubt the people i respect the most (when talking about people who arent close to me in a family relation) and in the same time have very much sympathy for, i cant even describe it with words.
@alanheath Thanks Alan, I've come across a few of these loons, I've found that once you challenge them on their lies and fantasies they crumble pretty quickly, it's just sad that such idiots exist, if it wasn't such a serious subject they would be harmless eccentrics - like flat Earthers and the like, but I feel it's important to challenge them. Good job with the videos!
In fact, there are Revisionist (deniers) who have advanced degrees -- like it or not. I don't like much of what they say either, but in the USA we have the first amendment and are not yet put in prison for thought crime. Noam Chomsky says: "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise , we don't believe in it at all." To state an opinion about something is not incitement to hatred.
Hi Alan, dreadful and fascinating. I cannot get my head around the train track? were there two? And it was shunted back onto the ramp?. The main railway line was to the east of the camp? It seems the camp was built on the black road? on the way to the quarry and penal camp?
Why did you travel to Triblinka to show photos and not the actual places for comparison? You could do this video from any Starbucks on the planet with the same effect.
Obviously you did not bother watching the other videos from there. Furthermore this is called Treblinka photographs so perhaps you did not see the title either.
What does 'most people' mean? You mean you. You are not most people. The purpose of the trials is utterly clear - maybe not to you - but it will be for the most people you quote. It is not unheard of for guards to help prisoners to escape because I know of examples. I cannot see why a guard would want to hide in a camp with false papers - or an inmate for that example.
Thanks for letting me know about this. I know this story although I find it a bit far fetched - I have posted an article from the Times on 14 December 2000 on my facebook channel (address above). Apparently a documentary was shown on German television in January 2001.
I can assure you that the Germans will never be forgotten. Although there are books about other massacres committed by Germans, few people seem to have read them. During the 19th century, the Germans wanted South West Africa and of course the Africans did not want them to have it - so the Germans committed what is now known as *The Kaiser’s Holocaust - Germany’s Forgotten Genocide*. Book by David Olusoga & Casper Erichsen. During the 14th century, German committed vast massacres of Jews in Europe, and this too seems to have been conveniently omitted from Germany’s history. No, the Germans will NEVER be forgotten.
@globe255 I don't get stuff from the web - I go to original sources. In this case they are from Kurt Franz's photo album and are shown at the site of the former camp. I showed all the photos.
@Loempieja I have not read that but in my own research I came across correspondence from the German forester at Chelmno complaining about how large tracts of forest were being destroyed. At Sobibór there was a similar story.
@wrather I need to point out that this film is not about the awful performance of England at Wembley last Saturday, nor about the extinction of the passenger pigeon nor for that matter about Chairman Mao - who incidentally was not responsible for the deaths of 200 million and in making silly accusations, the murders of those that were killed are belittled. It is - as the title may suggest - about Treblinka. However if you will pay for my trip to China then I will be glad to do a film there.
CrossTheLine1000 "Not one picture shows any bodies or killings" etc. Alan is right, but on a more fundamental note, photographs are standalone proof of nothing except their own existence. The story which a photo purports to tell can only be confirmed by the person who took it, and others who witnessed the event as well. Photographs by themselves -or absence thereof - are evidence of precisely nothing.
Treblinka was rapidly vanished from the face of the earth, unlike many other camps. Still the germans managed to cover up a lot of their crimes in the holocaust. Also in Treblinka it was highly forbidden to make photo's or anything, unlike other camps. Still enough evidence was found, to prove, that atleast 3/4 of a million people were murdered there. The true number is probably a lót higher(locals claim train/wagoncounts add up to over 3 million easy, similar statements have been given around Auschwitz, Sobibor, Chelmno, and Belzec. The dazzling number of '6 million recorded prisoners taken in' for Auschwitz, opposed by the '1.1Million recoreded deaths' leaves quite something to guess: we know for a fact, there were no 4.9M people in Auschwitz upon liberation, merely a few thousand, and téns of thousands were taken on deathmarches. Where's the other 4.5+ million?
Pfoch was drafted in 1940 to the Wehrmacht. In the summer of 1942. Pfoch secretly photographed the transport of Jews from Warsaw to the extermination camp Treblinka in Poland. The photos and Pfoch's diary records were later used as evidence in the Düsseldorf trial against Nazi criminal Franz Stangl. In 1945, Hubert Pfoch deserted from the Wehrmacht and returned to Vienna.
@AngeliaClaire Remains are clearly visible in the photographs of the time as people will there will also confirm. One can find bits of bone on the site but not to the same degree as at Bełżec before it was covered and at Sobibór and Chełmno nad Nerem.
If I see it I will of course purchase it alan. I have read that Kurt Franz and Gustav Wagner were very culture before the war and the camps, not sure about Wirth's background though. Which website do you most recommend for info on these men alan? Really enjoyed your vid with Tommi Blatt also.
@lynchie3000 There is no shortage of fuel - forests all around. It would have taken considerably less fuel than to keep four or five King Tigers in battle for a month.
@alanheath Alan, I visited Treblinka today, a day later than was planned, but i was in Warsaw for an extra day than planned!! I have some interesting videos of the sites of the mass graves. I found things which certain people say they cannot see at Treblinka with relative ease - i didnt have to dig etc.....I was wondering if i could discuss with you in more detail somehow? but away from the denier liars and trolls. Cheers. James Hopkinson
Other than the photographs which clearly show the camp you mean? The orders to send the equipment there? The confirmation from the perpetrators that they were there? The eye witnesses who saw them there?
@@VanlifewithAlan Thanks. I read some questionable testimonies that the baggers were from Treblinka #1, but it was likely speculation. I accept they were at Treblinka Camp 2.
@lilliteningpea I made notes on other places such as Zyrardów but did not get round to doing anything yet. BTW I have a group on facebook on history which may interest you! The address is above.
They were not allowed in; The camp staff drove the trains into the Death Camp. If that is what you were asking? It's not like everyone didnt know what was happening though, but they didn't see the death camp in operation.
There may be tons of unsorted documents as I have seen unsorted documents myself but it is not from some cover up or other nonsensical argument. It is just waiting for someone to sort it. The Berlin Documentation Centre is open for all to use.
@timpovikings Surely this is the whole point. The denier liars need to create doubt for their own ends. These characters will believe any nonsense - no matter how ridiculous - to further their own ends. When questioned they then change the subject and go onto something else making more libels. No denier liar will give a straight answer because they can't.
How do you know the German government is keeping information on Treblinka under lock and key? Not only that, but you seem to know what is in this secret information which is not surprising as you have made it up.
What does 'common knowledge' mean? I have given you a source - the German papers at the time. Like any news item, interest fades but it still made the papers. In any case I think many were more interested in building their lives but they did not completely lose interest in the trials.
I think many Germans regarded the bombing of Hamburg and Dresden as no better than the Holocaust... We are horrified by the Holocaust because it used "mass production" industrial killing..But I guess, if one is an innocent child, being gassed or burnt in a firestorm is equally bad...
I have just realised who you are now! You fooled me - well done. You are that character from Holland, Tom something, who gave me a death threat last year! (Apologies by the way if I have got the wrong person)
Also alan is there a reason why Sereny did not interview other guards who were imprisoned in dusseldorf, e.g, miete, mentz, matthes, franz and the rest? Was Stangl imprisoned seperately, or did she just want to keep it with stangl? I know she interviewed horn and suchomel when they were released, but she could have interviewed the others who got life? Cheers alan!
@alanheath Oh i just ment you should get more visual material, it doesnt matter from where you get it, if you can find something on the net, then use it and make a combination.
hi alan, what are your comments re SS Franz Suchomel at Treblinka also Oscar Groening SS at Oswiecim.. Both seem to give pretty accurate accounts of both Death Camps, i just wondered what your opinion was re these two SS stories.. i have been studying this part of history for a long time now & have made several visits to Poland.. many thanks
@trifelgeputinage There is no shortage of such testimony from the court records provided by the perpetrators, victims and witnesses. This character has many aliases - he goes round spamming all holocaust related sites with his moronic statements. One wonders where he got his farmers market from but we can be sure that he won't provide a reference.
Good man i am interested in the personalities of the staff and would like to read a book based on this subject, franz miete hiertiecher etc, i will try and find that book by samual willenberg any idea who sells it alan??
Du musst komplett irrsinnig sein.Gerade über Treblinka gibt es viele Zeugen.Und einen Prozess 1962 in Düsseldorf.Kein anderes Todeslager ist so gut dokumentiert!!!
Wonderful work. It is vital to tell this history. It must never be forgotten. My child is a high school student in America. They have a history unit covering WWII, but there is so much more to tell. It is so complex. Younger generations must be taught, and understand. Your efforts are appreciated.
Thank you - I have not published much recently related to the Holocaust. You might wish to see my channel History on TH-cam where I may start to publish material again.
than learn them to quistioning history !
Man after my own heart. Didn't realise you'd been doing this for so long !! Amazing channels, thank you for bringing us this 🙏.
Thank you very much - you might want to see my history channel too : th-cam.com/users/alanheath3
It would have been an honor to have been able to personally execute the operating staff at Treblinka
It was a train depot.
Same! ❤
I would help you with glee
@@maxsmith695 the final stop
You'd be no better than them
You can see bone fragments occasionally on the surface.
My friend said that about Auschwitz.....where many of his ancestors perished, He went there from NZ twice to gain understanding of what happened to his relatives. He said the place was haunted, the saddest place on earth. He was deeply affected by it.
Have any of the mass grebes been dug up? Surely the skeletons would provide further proof against the Holocaust deniers?
Thanks Alan, for your important documentation. As an Austrian born in 1969 I feel some form of "collective responsibility" for all these almost unspeakable atrocities committed in the Holocaust. It is so important that we are time and again reminded of what was going on. This is the only way of ensuring as best as we can that this will never ever happen again! Thanks for your contributions to this important exercise in humanity!
@alanheath I am so grateful that you are continuing your films. I would love to see documentation on the ghettos as well as the camps. I mean it would be interesting, just not sure if I could read it being in another language and all.
Congrats on making your local press!! I'd love to see that article. I'm very proud of you!
Your statement is totally absurd. If it is a construction site what type of construction is it. Furthermore, the author of the photos, the deputy commandant, did not deny what it was when arrested. There were only around 500 inmates and they clearly would not be housed in the graves area. 1,900 deaths a day is not so large given that there were days when 20,000 people were deported there. Those that claim that nothing happened here are those whose ideas are without substance.
Thank you for all your efforts in providing information and education on this subject. I have subscribed to your site. Thank you.
Hi there Alan. Amongst your many fine videos this is one of the very best. Very well done. Cheers!
That is nice to read - thank you very much. The film is almost nine years old!
@lynchie3000 There are photographs of the 'zoo' at Treblinka II.
Topsoil does not make holes that big. As for the sand, I refer you to any reference book on the nature of the land in this part of the world.
I have never heard of the book you quote but if that is what is written it is completely incorrect. What source does the book quote? Or did you make it up?
Thanks!!! Again 😍😭
Hi have read testimony that the potential death count at Treblinka may have been over 3 million, based on observations made by local farmers counting the trainloads of people on the way to the camp, and empty trains returning back along the line. This seems very high, but I feel that the 'official' death toll of around 750,000 may be somewhat conservative.
+Martyn Lee We know how many people were killed in 1942 from the Hoefle telegram. How many were killed in 1943 is unknown. The station master at Trevlinka claims to have made a record via the Polish resistance giving a total of 1.2m based on numbers on the waggons but I doubt this is correct as it would be almost impossible to count all the numbers. They may have counted the wagons going in but the number of victims in each case varied enormously from over 100 to less than 30.
+Alan Heath, yes, that telegram with a number of 435k? That was indeed from end 1942 when the 2nd commander, Stangl was put in charge: that guy made Treblinka into the true horror-machine even the Nazi-SS feared of 'being seen by the world's eye' that '435k' was the figure of the 'smaller'Treblinka II, mostly under the command of Eberl, who made a mess of things regularly: Stangls report on arriving at Treblinka clearly said there were piles of corpses everyhere, some of them hundreds of meters outside the camp, near the tracks. It was under Stangl that the camp expanded, and received even more gaschambers. This was said to give the camp a capacity of 12-15000 a day, atleast, though this number was never met(peak was i think 13.6k on one day. Remains horrific to imagine ofcourse.). Still Treblinka was always working around the clock to process the trainloads. But a rough count here: The SS hated to work on weekends, so that leaves 5 days a week, make that.. ~250 days a year? A train would have 50 to 60 wagons carrying 100+ people each, 2-3, sometimes 4 trains arrived per day? Even if theres 'only' 8000 people 'averagely killed' per workday, thats still an easy 2 million in a year, Treblinka stood for about 1.5 year so that 3Million could easily have been a solid figure. Treblinka had all the capacity for it. I believe the truth on the Holocaust to be quite surpressed. For the best also: if mankind knew the real numbers, the retaliation demanded would be unimaginable. The current numbers leave 'something to guess'. And plenty to remember. I think, the actual truth on the scale of these índustrial sized killing factory's' is far more macabre then even the highest ranking officers in the army's then, dáred to imagine. Auschwitz has records of taking in around 6Million prisoners. and 'only '1.1M of them died there; the other 4.9M all survived? Yes some were taken to other camps? No! Auschwitz was and end-station, just like Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, and Belzec
Hi Green R,
While I prefer to follow Mr Heath's conservative assessment of the available evidence, I subjectively agree with you wholeheartedly. There were countless shtetls that simply disappeared and their SS murderers, as well as, in some cases, the locals, not only wiped out all traces of their existence, but also destroyed the cemeteries and used the gravestones to pave roads for heavy vehicles. When considering some of the newer studies (e.g. that of the unfortunately late and great David Caesrani, Lawrence Rees, Robin O'Conner), as well as the numerous previous Holocaust scholars, the inferred huge numbers of missing peoples, and whole communities must have at least been partly murdered in either the Reinhard camps or Birkenau. I still wonder about those possible additional smaller "facilities" (in the style of post-Operation Reinhard Trieste - where Wirth took his most productive fellow murderers to have a go at the Italian Jews) that have been hypothesized to have briefly existed at other sites along the Bug.
Mr. Heath - (kudos to your careful historically-based documentation) any info about these occasionally mentioned camps? Among other places, the former Treblinka prosecutor, Alfred Spiess, mentioned them in his interview with Claude Lanzman in Shoah.
Martyn Lee More like around 900,000.
@@VanlifewithAlan Herman Hoefle is one of the most evil people in history.
I'v often asked myself, were Germans born evil or became evil.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_H%C3%B6fle
*The Holocaust deniers have repeatedly asked "Where are the bodies, show us the graves?", implying Treblinka was too small to hold 900 000 bodies (actually ashes) These ghouls should be informed that the largest cemetery in the world is Wadi-Ali-Salaam, Iraq, which contains 10 million graves, the Olsdorf cemetery in Hamburg contains 1.5 million, the Zentrahof, Vienna, contains 3 million graves, Arlington DC USA 400 000, Brookwood Cemetery, London, 235 000, and Rookwood Cemetery Australia 915 000, And how many bodies have vanished in Council run Crematoriums worldwide? So disposing of bodies is no great achievement, its been practised worldwide for centurys*
Deniers are idiots, blinded by idiocy. Ignore them, they are jokes, basically modern day historical trolls.
Pine forest. Pine forests are beautiful. I have watched this video very many times. And it makes me cry...
Me too.I visited Auschwitz and two of the other Eastern Poland camps and each spot had a very oppressively sad vibe...totally understandable but still heavy to take on board.But I did and am sick at how low and evil us human beings can be. Best wishes from Bournemouth UK ♥️☠😉
@1:58 I find it extremely difficult to believe the SS would ever take a photograph showing any portion of a gas chamber, not even if it was the old gas chamber and no longer in use.
Why? The photographs were not meant for publication.
@@VanlifewithAlan Too risky. They're so careful to only take "innocent" photographs - a digger, a wooden hut, an officer on horseback, etc. - that it just seems inconceivable to me that they would slip in a picture of an old gas chamber. I'm not even convinced the pictures of the excavator are showing mass graves being dug, even that seems too risky a picture. Seems far more likely to me that it's a picture of some simple landscaping inside the camp - perhaps creating a large mound in a spot that would block the view of something to incoming transports.
Same with the Sobibor photographs. They're extremely careful to not show anything incriminating. Auschwitz too, except for the secret photographs taken by SK members.
Also Wirth/Globocnic/Himmler would definitely have meted out executions if they found out about the pictures (or even the camera) if the pictures had shown anything incriminating, whereas with "innocent" pictures they may just have had them confiscated and a milder punishment.
Great videos. I just found you and I know I will be spending a lot of time on your channel.
It’s been sitting with me today and weighing me down hard. In another short video about Terblinka there was a comment. From someone, who said they were a grandchild of the German Veterinarian, who oversaw this Zoo. Long post. They said her grandparents met in Treblinka, as her grandmother was the only woman working on a “clam” - I suppose excavator type machine to dispose of the camp and hide it.
And what struck me - she said her grandfather sheared his saddest memory of Treblinka was they had to kill the bears when they were leaving the camp.
They had to kill the bears.... I cried for an hour afterwards. I have an ancestor who perished in Auschwitz - one of the first soviet POW. And I had such an urge to tell that granddaughter all I thought about the bears...
rationally you understand it’s not her fault. But considering she is a granddaughter - that makes her my age. I will be 50 in a few years...
And she is sharing the memories about the bears as his saddest????? I’d keep my mouth in embarrassment. But someone actually thanked her for sharing... Are we no longer humans in this world??? Just hurts.
While my family was choking on Zyklon B, her grandpa was losing sleep over the shot few bears... right next to the place where they killed almost a million of another humans.
The person who made that comment was not telling the truth.
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Thank you, Alan. I hope so...
@lilliteningpea I saw Shoah many years ago - I think I also have it on VHS tape somewhere! I think it was this film which gave me the idea to do what I did on filming things in Poland! I can understand nearly all of the original language (as well as the French)! I have got a lot more from other camps if you are interested!
Should it be possible Alan to show the shoah documentery on your channel with the subtitles I,ve seen a lot of this documentary but no subtitles
I wonder what ever happened to Franz's photo album after the trial? Also any info on how he behaved in the courtroom? Great videos alan
The folks who ran this camp got off relatively easy.
The crawler excavators that dug the mass graves at Treblinka II came from the gravel quarry at Treblinka 1. What I've always wondered about, concerning the digging of these mass graves was how much larger camp II (the extermination part of the camp) was, than what it's size looks like on the maps of the whole camp. To look at maps of the whole camp, it doesn't look like there was enough room to operate such large pieces of equipment. But then in the pictures, we see portions of camp II with some of its buildings in the background, leading me to believe camp II was actually much larger than maps seem to indicate.
It wasn’t very big. Didn’t need to be. Upon visiting Birkenau where the foundations of the extermination sites are still in place it struck me as a small area too… where a million people met their end. However it wasn’t all at once. It was 1000-3000 at a time over the course of YEARS. Thats why it was possible. Still.. the existing machinery was often overwhelmed at the sheer volume of human “cargo” they were processing. For the perpetrators that became their #1 priority and felt it distinguished them from others. Their ability to mechanically handle the logistics of genocide
Try Mark Felton the 1943 uprising video. Pt1 has plans.
I enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work.
Yt recommend this video after 15 years 😊 . BTW VIDEO IS NICE😊
Thanks 😅! If you are interested, I have uploaded a lot more on Treblinka on my other channel : www.youtube.com/@HistoryonTH-cam/search?query=Treblinka
@alanheath, thanks for the reply alan, most appreciated.
The position of the mass graves in Treblinka is known - I describe it even in a film.
Alan, have you seen the doc called Shoah on here. It's good, there are i think 59 parts to it, but very worth the watch. It does have subtitles, the folks are talking in 2 different languages which I am not sure what they are, but I know you speak a few languages so maybe you won't need the subtitles. Thanks for posting this vid, i know it's a few years old, but worth watching.
Hi Alan I am thinking of buying a book by Samuel Willenberg but i dont know whether to buy Surviving Treblinka or Revolt in Treblinka. Which one would you suggest as most informative in your opinion? Many thanks
Thanks for this Alan. Keeping speaking the truth.
This film is entitled Treblinka photographs. It is not entitled Treblinka killing people on a film or anything like that. You should read the title. If you go to see the new James Bond film and it is about James Bond I scarcely think you have grounds for complaint.
I can actually prove you sent the message because it is in my inbox with this new address of yours.
As for me not knowing people who escaped from Sobibór, they may well have forgotten me but I have plenty of films here with people who escaped from the camp. I do not know the chairperson of the Sobibor Foundation Holland either - or for that matter, that such an organisation exists.
@alanheath Thanks Alan!
I am interested. I can't get enough of learning about this time in our world. I find it intriguing and interesting, sad, and not understandable that people could do this to other people.
Thank you again for all you do, and for sharing these sites that I will never get to see in my lifetime. I also enjoy the fact that you tell what's going on in the videos and interesting facts about them that I didn't know.
Cheers alan! I find it very interesting that whilst Franz was like that, boxing with prisoners etc, Stangl i think never even threatened a prisoner verbally. They were both promoted at this time aswel! The contrast is bizarre to me. Is his photo album in a museum somewhere??
HCN caused around one third of the people in the gas chamber to die instantly according to a guess by Hoess. The others would have died much more slowly and the proof of this is the evidence given by the Sonderkommando who talked of a pyramid shaped pile of people reaching to get as a high as possible away from the gas.
Alan Heath since this was Treblinka and therefore an ARC-camp, then Stangl, Frans, Suchomel, Wagner among a few other witnesses are more first hand testimonies than Höss about what happened there.
Höss had (according to himself) visited Treblinka only at one occasion.
Zyklon B was never used in the ARC-camps. Instead they used exhaust gases from stationary tank engines (a truck engine in the case of Chelmno).
I agree, it is absurd. He probably served even less.
A dark short part in our 1000 years german history.
The interviews of some SS Soldiers in Treblinka like Franz Suchomel are pretty interesting.
A dark short part that will darken the name of Germany for the next 6000 years. Kids born 700 years from now will wonder the kind of barbarism and savagery that your little country produced.
The name GERMAN will forever be synonymous with GENOCIDE.
As for your comment which you deleted - the Berlin Documentation Centre is not a secret record and Yad Vashem has the records from there. I was at Yad Vashem and used some of them there so I have first hand experience.
@alanheath I can't wait to read your notes. Also, I am on your facebook on history. I love that site too, especially the pics
great vid, thank you 4 the history lesson.nice job
Vietnam was not the only country that fell to the communists. Laos and Cambodia did too. Not what I would call a victory.
@trifelgeputinage Thanks for your comment - at the end of the day there is nothing one can do about the nuts. I still do not know if they believe this denial nonsense or just do it as a wind up.
@TimeAndSpaceWarp Yes there are - as well as a comprehensive report on the area.
So therefore the US won the Vietnam war??? I suppose the US put the communist regime in power in the south in that case?
The 'zoo' was for the amusement of the guards. The Nazis exhumed the bodies in 1943 and burnt them. I can't see the point of exhuming what is left of ashes.
Just wanna add that i have a very deep respect for blind people- with no doubt the people i respect the most (when talking about people who arent close to me in a family relation) and in the same time have very much sympathy for, i cant even describe it with words.
@alanheath Thanks Alan, I've come across a few of these loons, I've found that once you challenge them on their lies and fantasies they crumble pretty quickly, it's just sad that such idiots exist, if it wasn't such a serious subject they would be harmless eccentrics - like flat Earthers and the like, but I feel it's important to challenge them. Good job with the videos!
In fact, there are Revisionist (deniers) who have advanced degrees -- like it or not. I don't like much of what they say either, but in the USA we have the first amendment and are not yet put in prison for thought crime. Noam Chomsky says: "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise , we don't believe in it at all." To state an opinion about something is not incitement to hatred.
Hi Alan, dreadful and fascinating. I cannot get my head around the train track? were there two? And it was shunted back onto the ramp?. The main railway line was to the east of the camp? It seems the camp was built on the black road? on the way to the quarry and penal camp?
So that is how you justify your assertion that the victor writes history - even when your victor is clearly on the losing side?
An extermination camp with a zoo in it. That is just so absurd. By the way I just watched an interview with Kurt Franz here on TH-cam. Very chilling!
Train depot
Didn't Franz say it stank for miles around? Hardly a zoo and picnic area?
Thank you - nice to hear!
Why did you travel to Triblinka to show photos and not the actual places for comparison? You could do this video from any Starbucks on the planet with the same effect.
Obviously you did not bother watching the other videos from there. Furthermore this is called Treblinka photographs so perhaps you did not see the title either.
OK so Speer joined the winning side by not being executed and therefore by your logic his book was written by the victors?????
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What does 'most people' mean? You mean you. You are not most people. The purpose of the trials is utterly clear - maybe not to you - but it will be for the most people you quote.
It is not unheard of for guards to help prisoners to escape because I know of examples. I cannot see why a guard would want to hide in a camp with false papers - or an inmate for that example.
Thanks for letting me know about this. I know this story although I find it a bit far fetched - I have posted an article from the Times on 14 December 2000 on my facebook channel (address above). Apparently a documentary was shown on German television in January 2001.
the germans must never be forgotten for what they did
I can assure you that the Germans will never be forgotten. Although there are books about other massacres committed by Germans, few people seem to have read them. During the 19th century, the Germans wanted South West Africa and of course the Africans did not want them to have it - so the Germans committed what is now known as *The Kaiser’s Holocaust - Germany’s Forgotten Genocide*. Book by David Olusoga & Casper Erichsen. During the 14th century, German committed vast massacres of Jews in Europe, and this too seems to have been conveniently omitted from Germany’s history. No, the Germans will NEVER be forgotten.
Nor forgiven.
Treblinka was a quarry or gravel pit used in the manufacture of concrete for bunkers etc.
Treblinka I was a gravel pit. Treblinka II where this was filmed was a death camp.
Dave Judd of course it was
@globe255 I don't get stuff from the web - I go to original sources. In this case they are from Kurt Franz's photo album and are shown at the site of the former camp. I showed all the photos.
@Loempieja I have not read that but in my own research I came across correspondence from the German forester at Chelmno complaining about how large tracts of forest were being destroyed. At Sobibór there was a similar story.
@wrather I need to point out that this film is not about the awful performance of England at Wembley last Saturday, nor about the extinction of the passenger pigeon nor for that matter about Chairman Mao - who incidentally was not responsible for the deaths of 200 million and in making silly accusations, the murders of those that were killed are belittled. It is - as the title may suggest - about Treblinka. However if you will pay for my trip to China then I will be glad to do a film there.
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"Not one picture shows any bodies or killings" etc. Alan is right, but on a more fundamental note, photographs are standalone proof of nothing except their own existence. The story which a photo purports to tell can only be confirmed by the person who took it, and others who witnessed the event as well. Photographs by themselves -or absence thereof - are evidence of precisely nothing.
Treblinka was rapidly vanished from the face of the earth, unlike many other camps. Still the germans managed to cover up a lot of their crimes in the holocaust. Also in Treblinka it was highly forbidden to make photo's or anything, unlike other camps. Still enough evidence was found, to prove, that atleast 3/4 of a million people were murdered there. The true number is probably a lót higher(locals claim train/wagoncounts add up to over 3 million easy, similar statements have been given around Auschwitz, Sobibor, Chelmno, and Belzec. The dazzling number of '6 million recorded prisoners taken in' for Auschwitz, opposed by the '1.1Million recoreded deaths' leaves quite something to guess: we know for a fact, there were no 4.9M people in Auschwitz upon liberation, merely a few thousand, and téns of thousands were taken on deathmarches. Where's the other 4.5+ million?
To any doubters,look up Hubert Pfoch,his photos and diary.He was German.
Pfoch was drafted in 1940 to the Wehrmacht. In the summer of 1942. Pfoch secretly photographed the transport of Jews from Warsaw to the extermination camp Treblinka in Poland. The photos and Pfoch's diary records were later used as evidence in the Düsseldorf trial against Nazi criminal Franz Stangl. In 1945, Hubert Pfoch deserted from the Wehrmacht and returned to Vienna.
@AngeliaClaire Remains are clearly visible in the photographs of the time as people will there will also confirm. One can find bits of bone on the site but not to the same degree as at Bełżec before it was covered and at Sobibór and Chełmno nad Nerem.
If I see it I will of course purchase it alan. I have read that Kurt Franz and Gustav Wagner were very culture before the war and the camps, not sure about Wirth's background though. Which website do you most recommend for info on these men alan? Really enjoyed your vid with Tommi Blatt also.
You are right. The word 'know' is missing. It is written in the earlier two sentences.
@lynchie3000 There is no shortage of fuel - forests all around. It would have taken considerably less fuel than to keep four or five King Tigers in battle for a month.
@alanheath Alan, I visited Treblinka today, a day later than was planned, but i was in Warsaw for an extra day than planned!! I have some interesting videos of the sites of the mass graves. I found things which certain people say they cannot see at Treblinka with relative ease - i didnt have to dig etc.....I was wondering if i could discuss with you in more detail somehow? but away from the denier liars and trolls. Cheers. James Hopkinson
Things have been moved around a lot, yes. Nonetheless the main archives are in Berlin and Ludwigsburg with a large depository in Bad Arolsen also.
Thank you.
ookkonaaoulusta don't think don't think us it didn't happen it's just communist propaganda remember the Communists and the Bolsheviks cost all this
Is there definitive proof these diggers were not actually used for Treblinka 1 - the quarry located nest to Treblinka 2?
Other than the photographs which clearly show the camp you mean? The orders to send the equipment there? The confirmation from the perpetrators that they were there? The eye witnesses who saw them there?
@@VanlifewithAlan Thanks. I read some questionable testimonies that the baggers were from Treblinka #1, but it was likely speculation. I accept they were at Treblinka Camp 2.
It must be interesting alan! Is the other book by willenberg also of value? I may get both they are quite hard to track down in britain.
@lynchie3000 What is the source?
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@tromotromo You can try the death camps site, Mazal library and do a general search. I have published a lot of material on you tube too.
As might be expected you fail to back up your nonsensical statement with any evidence.
These photos could be taken anywhere ??
@lilliteningpea I made notes on other places such as Zyrardów but did not get round to doing anything yet. BTW I have a group on facebook on history which may interest you! The address is above.
What happens to those Who worked in the railroad?
They stayed working on the railway after the war. In those days, people did not change jobs as we do today.
They were not allowed in; The camp staff drove the trains into the Death Camp. If that is what you were asking? It's not like everyone didnt know what was happening though, but they didn't see the death camp in operation.
George Moraes they were on the Eastern Front supplying and bring troops that's where they are at
Good video and it is a nice Forrest area. Saddle a lot of innocent people were murdered in this beautiful place. I wonder if is a haunted place?
There may be tons of unsorted documents as I have seen unsorted documents myself but it is not from some cover up or other nonsensical argument. It is just waiting for someone to sort it. The Berlin Documentation Centre is open for all to use.
In the background at 3:30 you can see separate mounds of human ashes
@lynchie3000 What has that do it with it? It is mistaken.
Also are there any books you suggest on him and his subordinates alan?
Мы все, обыкновенные люди во всем мире, жертвы шизиков добравшихся до власти. Я лично за анархию и самоопределение каждого индивидуума.
@timpovikings Surely this is the whole point. The denier liars need to create doubt for their own ends. These characters will believe any nonsense - no matter how ridiculous - to further their own ends. When questioned they then change the subject and go onto something else making more libels. No denier liar will give a straight answer because they can't.
My guess is that you cannot name a single person who was hanged because of evidence such as this.
How do you know the German government is keeping information on Treblinka under lock and key? Not only that, but you seem to know what is in this secret information which is not surprising as you have made it up.
That zoo is downright bizarre. The whole place must have reeked
What does 'common knowledge' mean? I have given you a source - the German papers at the time. Like any news item, interest fades but it still made the papers. In any case I think many were more interested in building their lives but they did not completely lose interest in the trials.
I think many Germans regarded the bombing of Hamburg and Dresden as no better than the Holocaust... We are horrified by the Holocaust because it used "mass production" industrial killing..But I guess, if one is an innocent child, being gassed or burnt in a firestorm is equally bad...
I have just realised who you are now! You fooled me - well done. You are that character from Holland, Tom something, who gave me a death threat last year!
(Apologies by the way if I have got the wrong person)
Also alan is there a reason why Sereny did not interview other guards who were imprisoned in dusseldorf, e.g, miete, mentz, matthes, franz and the rest? Was Stangl imprisoned seperately, or did she just want to keep it with stangl? I know she interviewed horn and suchomel when they were released, but she could have interviewed the others who got life? Cheers alan!
@tromotromo But as I just pointed out - it has nothing to do with the subject here.
Treblinka is in the middle of nowhere. They probably wound up eating the animals they had.
So therefore as everyone is a winner baby that's no lie, to quote Hot Chocolate, then indeed the winner does write history.
@alanheath Oh i just ment you should get more visual material, it doesnt matter from where you get it, if you can find something on the net, then use it and make a combination.
hi alan, what are your comments re SS Franz Suchomel at Treblinka also Oscar Groening SS at Oswiecim.. Both seem to give pretty accurate accounts of both Death Camps, i just wondered what your opinion was re these two SS stories.. i have been studying this part of history for a long time now & have made several visits to Poland.. many thanks
It wasn't for the prisoners, it was for the guards.
@trifelgeputinage There is no shortage of such testimony from the court records provided by the perpetrators, victims and witnesses.
This character has many aliases - he goes round spamming all holocaust related sites with his moronic statements. One wonders where he got his farmers market from but we can be sure that he won't provide a reference.
Alan Heath Alan, well said.
Good man i am interested in the personalities of the staff and would like to read a book based on this subject, franz miete hiertiecher etc, i will try and find that book by samual willenberg any idea who sells it alan??
I am sure that Treblinka concentration camp never existed.
Du musst komplett irrsinnig sein.Gerade über Treblinka gibt es viele Zeugen.Und einen Prozess 1962 in Düsseldorf.Kein anderes Todeslager ist so gut dokumentiert!!!
No, 5.5m military plus around 1.2m - 3.2m civilian. I refer you to the works of Dr. Rüdiger Overmans who is leading expert in this field.
@alanheath
Could you point me to some documentation online. Nizkor has sadly very little on Treblinka.