From what I've heard and read, Jack was a miserable S.O.B. He wasn't nice to the press at all. This is why Jack is not mentioned with other great pitchers despite being in the HOF. Imho
Overrated if anything. "Big game pitcher" is one of those terms that seems like a euphemism for "'he's not normally all that good." Also, as an Indians fan, he was more devoted to his ranch than the team and Cleveland had to release him right in the thick of their first pennant race in 40 years. So screw him.
That 1984 Tigers team would make other teams deflated even before they would get comfortable. Before you knew it, you would be down by 3 runs in the first inning
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A steamroller of a team that 1984 Tigers team was. Sparky had the Tigers clicking on all cylinders to 35-5 record in the first 40 games of the season. 104 wins regular season, not bad.
This series is often considered lopsided in favor of the Tigers. But looking back, that Padres lineup is not too bad. The only really weak spot would be, as a National League team, they didn't have a true DH and had to use a bench player in that role. Funny thing, while Kurt Bevacqua's bat usually resembled a wet noodle, he was awesome during this series. Dick Williams looked like a genius putting him in the lineup.
Matthews with Bosley or Cotto in LF. Maybe Richie Hebner if they felt they needed to load up the offense rather than strengthen the defense (and since Detroit didn't have any LH starters).
I guess if the Cubs would've been here (without lights at the time). They would've hosted games 3,4 & 5* ,Fri, Sat & Sun respectively. All games starting at 1pm central time. *If necessary
@@bernieudo4399 the Tigers had a very well balanced and well coached team that year. As a follower of the AL East back then, they were good in the years before then, after then but everything went right for them in 1984.
@@ryanstrnad1852 As Giants fan Tigers got Evans & Herndon who played @ Candlestick in late '70s. Shows you how great a manager Anderson was in developing & motivating his players along w/his BBIQ. Yeah--prob never gonna see a team bust out of gate 35-5 & lead wire to wire. Not in this decade.
Two thoughts: 1) 1984 was the year of the moustache; everyone on the Padres bench had the same one. 2) Whose idea was it to have the ceremonial first pitch thrown off the mound? Unrecognized, but appreciated innovation to the baseball pregame.
Was not a big fan of the Padres uniforms in 1984, but considering the pinstriped monstrosities they debuted the next year and what they have now, these weren't that bad.
I like the brown pinstripes. I thought the late-'80s look was the Padres' best look (best of a bad lot, to be fair). I like the current unis, too. In fact, I actually think the Padres have the best City Connect uniforms.
RIP Jack Murphy Stadium People say the Cubs would have been a better match up , but I disagree. No one was beating the Tigers in 1984. 35 - 5 after 40 games. C'mon now....
That's because the Cubs WOULD HAVE BEEN. I would have loved to have seen Sutcliffe vs Morris and Sandberg vs Trammell that year. The Cubs just let up after going up 2-0 in the NLCS in 84'..
It's not how you start, but how you finish. Everybody seems to forget how slow the Cubs started in 84, but after that trade with Cleveland and that wild Sandberg game vs.St.Louis, the Cubs just took off that year.Meanwhile, Detroit was a mediorcre team after that 35-5 start before they righted their ship just in time for the ALCS against a sorry Kansas City Royals team.
@@eldersamuelwilliams9779 negative. If they would've been a better match up, they would've proved it by beating the Padres. That 35-5 start in the 1st 40 games to start the season is an MLB record. They were that good. They might've not finished well but you just need to play .500 baseball after a start like they had. Not to mention that year the Tigers had the best record on the road of any team in MLB. They were something like 74-17 when scoring 1st that year. I mean just riculously good. I can keep going too if you'd like. You may have liked to see certain Cubs match up against the Tigers but they wouldn't have been favorable match ups.
It just rotated between divisions, like how the WS would just alternate leagues. Record didn't determine HFA in the pre-WS playoffs until 1998. However, things got juggled in 1986 because the Astrodome wasn't available for one of Houston's scheduled games had they hosted Games 3-5. So Houston got HFA, they moved Boston to having HFA in the ALCS, and things alternated the next year. San Diego also had HFA over the Cubs in 1984 because Wrigley had no lights, so the NL West ended up having HFA in the LCS in 3 straight seasons.
Everybody seems to forget how close this World Series was. San Diego just couldn't close the deal in 3 of the 4 games they lost.San Diego let Detroit off the hook in this one. It was the biased MEDIA who tried put out the narrative that Detroit was somehow this baseball Goliath. Also remember that they had the same personnel in 87' when the Minnesota Twins embarrased them. The media had hyped Detroit up that series too.. That's why if the Cubs had not let up and closed the deal in Game 3 and started celebrating after Game 2 on the flight to California vs. San Diego in 84', they would have defeated the Tigers cause Leon Durham's gaffe in Game 5 vs the Padres would never have happened.
A 4-1 WS “close”? Gimme a break. The Tigers were vastly superior to the Padres. I acknowledge that Detroit did not play as well during the short WS as they did the rest of the year, mainly because Dan Petry had a tired arm. Still, a poorly playing ‘84 Tiger team was still far better than anything the Padres or Cubs could throw out there. PS The MEDIA didn’t provide Detroit with a 35-5 start, and the MEDIA didn’t sweep the Royals, the 1985 World Champions.
As NL champs go, the ‘84 Padres stunk. The Tigers played mediocre baseball (relative to the rest of the season) and still won the series 4-1. The media aptly dubbed the ‘84 series “The Foul Classic.”
Here ye hear ye! I see bob costas as one of the few on that tier of quality. Active mlb announcers Maybe palmer for color, and pbp jon miller, ..and who? Joe angel retired. Jim hunter retired, gary thorne no mas....whose lefy charlie stiner seems good. Michael reghi and mel proctor retired...
Wire to wire! 1984 Tigers.
I know Jack Morris is in the Hall of Fame, but I still find him highly underrated, one of the best big game pitchers there ever was
Jack Morris was a straight up assassin.
From what I've heard and read, Jack was a miserable S.O.B. He wasn't nice to the press at all. This is why Jack is not mentioned with other great pitchers despite being in the HOF. Imho
Overrated if anything. "Big game pitcher" is one of those terms that seems like a euphemism for "'he's not normally all that good." Also, as an Indians fan, he was more devoted to his ranch than the team and Cleveland had to release him right in the thick of their first pennant race in 40 years. So screw him.
I bet the Cubs watched this series and wondered how the hell did we lose 3 straight to these guys.
26 years later, Bruce Bochy and Tim Flannery got their World Series rings from the Giants
That 1984 Tigers team would make other teams deflated even before they would get comfortable. Before you knew it, you would be down by 3 runs in the first inning
The Tigers started the 1984 season 35-5. They clinched early that year.
R.I.P Jack Murphy Stadium 😭
I went there for the holiday bowl ot was an awesome stadium
San Diego, California! Beautiful Stadium was best than Petco Park!
Jack murphy stadium was awesome
4:09 Alan Trammell one of of 3 tigers who grew up not far from The Murph
My right ear loved it 😂
Thanks for uploading this
My grandpa and grandma lived and breathed the tigers
San Diego was lit for this series, "Mow down Tiger Town" the signs said back then as a kid.
or "Mow down Motown."
Instead, It Was The San Diego Padres That Got Mowed Down, And Bent Over A Table! 😳Same Thing Happened To The San Diego Padres 14 Years Later, In The 1998 World Series 🏟️🏆🚫😳🥺😢😭😁😅😂🤣 This Time, Getting Bushwhacked By The New York Yankees. 😁😅😂🤣🏟️🏆
I Figured That I Am Not Going To San Diego, California, Any Time Soon! 😁😅😂🤣🏟️🤠😎🤓😁🙂
A steamroller of a team that 1984 Tigers team was. Sparky had the Tigers clicking on all cylinders to 35-5 record in the first 40 games of the season. 104 wins regular season, not bad.
thanks again.
Lou Whitaker for HOF!!! Career WAR of 75.1 🤯
They actually had a pitch count on this game.
Umpires (Game 1)
HP Doug Harvey (NL) (CC) (4th)
1B Larry Barnett (AL) (3rd)
2B Bruce Froemming (NL) (2nd)
3B Rich Garcia (AL) (2nd)
LF Paul Runge (NL) (2nd)
RF Mike Reilly (AL) (1st)
Thanks for the umpire lineup! They don't get any pub unless they mess up,,
This series is often considered lopsided in favor of the Tigers. But looking back, that Padres lineup is not too bad. The only really weak spot would be, as a National League team, they didn't have a true DH and had to use a bench player in that role. Funny thing, while Kurt Bevacqua's bat usually resembled a wet noodle, he was awesome during this series. Dick Williams looked like a genius putting him in the lineup.
I would pit the 84 Tigers against any team to ever take the field.....they were that good!
Correct. They crushed everybody. All time top 10 team alltime.
Wow. Really???
@@Wixom2200 great teams repeat,tigers didn't come close,
Had the Cubs made this WS, who do you think their DH would've been? I say Gary Matthews.
Matthews with Bosley or Cotto in LF. Maybe Richie Hebner if they felt they needed to load up the offense rather than strengthen the defense (and since Detroit didn't have any LH starters).
RUSTY!!!! MY MAN
I guess if the Cubs would've been here (without lights at the time). They would've hosted games 3,4 & 5* ,Fri, Sat & Sun respectively. All games starting at 1pm central time. *If necessary
At comiskey park?
Cubs v. Tigers. Hmm. Prob b 0-2 by G3 as they'd have to face a hot Detroit team. Tigers that year truly the best--doubt if outcome different.
@@ricklozano50 No wrigley field. Hence the daytime starts
@@bernieudo4399 the Tigers had a very well balanced and well coached team that year. As a follower of the AL East back then, they were good in the years before then, after then but everything went right for them in 1984.
@@ryanstrnad1852 As Giants fan Tigers got Evans & Herndon who played @ Candlestick in late '70s. Shows you how great a manager Anderson was in developing & motivating his players along w/his BBIQ. Yeah--prob never gonna see a team bust out of gate 35-5 & lead wire to wire. Not in this decade.
Todas las series mundiales son buenas
great year my senior year in high school saw Isaiah Thomas play had a bomb girlfriend and tigers win it all man if I could turn back time
Don’t disrespect the great HOFer Isiah Thomas by spelling his name like the lesser current Isaiah Thomas. Just giving you crap:)
Two thoughts:
1) 1984 was the year of the moustache; everyone on the Padres bench had the same one.
2) Whose idea was it to have the ceremonial first pitch thrown off the mound? Unrecognized, but appreciated innovation to the baseball pregame.
Was not a big fan of the Padres uniforms in 1984, but considering the pinstriped monstrosities they debuted the next year and what they have now, these weren't that bad.
I like the brown pinstripes. I thought the late-'80s look was the Padres' best look (best of a bad lot, to be fair). I like the current unis, too. In fact, I actually think the Padres have the best City Connect uniforms.
RIP Jack Murphy Stadium
People say the Cubs would have been a better match up , but I disagree. No one was beating the Tigers in 1984.
35 - 5 after 40 games.
C'mon now....
Agreed, they were 35-5 after 40 games. I remember them just being so dominant all season.
That's because the Cubs WOULD HAVE BEEN. I would have loved to have seen Sutcliffe vs Morris and Sandberg vs Trammell that year. The Cubs just let up after going up 2-0 in the NLCS in 84'..
It's not how you start, but how you finish. Everybody seems to forget how slow the Cubs started in 84, but after that trade with Cleveland and that wild Sandberg game vs.St.Louis, the Cubs just took off that year.Meanwhile, Detroit was a mediorcre team after that 35-5 start before they righted their ship just in time for the ALCS against a sorry Kansas City Royals team.
@@eldersamuelwilliams9779 negative. If they would've been a better match up, they would've proved it by beating the Padres. That 35-5 start in the 1st 40 games to start the season is an MLB record. They were that good. They might've not finished well but you just need to play .500 baseball after a start like they had. Not to mention that year the Tigers had the best record on the road of any team in MLB. They were something like 74-17 when scoring 1st that year. I mean just riculously good. I can keep going too if you'd like. You may have liked to see certain Cubs match up against the Tigers but they wouldn't have been favorable match ups.
How was home field determined back then? I was 12 so I don't remember but I know it wasn't based on record
It just rotated between divisions, like how the WS would just alternate leagues. Record didn't determine HFA in the pre-WS playoffs until 1998. However, things got juggled in 1986 because the Astrodome wasn't available for one of Houston's scheduled games had they hosted Games 3-5. So Houston got HFA, they moved Boston to having HFA in the ALCS, and things alternated the next year. San Diego also had HFA over the Cubs in 1984 because Wrigley had no lights, so the NL West ended up having HFA in the LCS in 3 straight seasons.
Why did the Padres have home field in this series?
WS HFA alternated between leagues until 2017. (And even LCS/LDS HFA rotated until 1998.)
No way Morris makes it thru 6 in today's Game.
I don't understand what you mean? Is it because of today's hitters?
Do you mean because of pitch counts and modern bullpens or are you saying Morris wouldn’t be that good today? Agree with the first but not the second
Simply a troll comment
Thurmond left in way too long, fat pitch on the Herndon homer.
Everybody seems to forget how close this World Series was. San Diego just couldn't close the deal in 3 of the 4 games they lost.San Diego let Detroit off the hook in this one. It was the biased MEDIA who tried put out the narrative that Detroit was somehow this baseball Goliath. Also remember that they had the same personnel in 87' when the Minnesota Twins embarrased them. The media had hyped Detroit up that series too.. That's why if the Cubs had not let up and closed the deal in Game 3 and started celebrating after Game 2 on the flight to California vs. San Diego in 84', they would have defeated the Tigers cause Leon Durham's gaffe in Game 5 vs the Padres would never have happened.
Tigers would have beaten the Cubs. I knew before the Tigers won a spring training game that the Tigers would win the World Series.
A 4-1 WS “close”? Gimme a break. The Tigers were vastly superior to the Padres. I acknowledge that Detroit did not play as well during the short WS as they did the rest of the year, mainly because Dan Petry had a tired arm. Still, a poorly playing ‘84 Tiger team was still far better than anything the Padres or Cubs could throw out there. PS The MEDIA didn’t provide Detroit with a 35-5 start, and the MEDIA didn’t sweep the Royals, the 1985 World Champions.
Media bias for a Detroit team? That's hilarious. Tigers were a far superior team, playing far below their capabilities and still winning in five.
The band is out of tune
I forgot that from 1976-85, the DH was used in both parks during an even year WS! Kinda of a fun rule!
It wasn't fair to the American League team in their park. Their pitchers having to bat in every game, when they haven't all season
As NL champs go, the ‘84 Padres stunk. The Tigers played mediocre baseball (relative to the rest of the season) and still won the series 4-1. The media aptly dubbed the ‘84 series “The Foul Classic.”
Vin Scully (PBP) & Joe Garagiola (C)
Here ye hear ye! I see bob costas as one of the few on that tier of quality. Active mlb announcers Maybe palmer for color, and pbp jon miller, ..and who? Joe angel retired. Jim hunter retired, gary thorne no mas....whose lefy charlie stiner seems good. Michael reghi and mel proctor retired...
Anybody know why Lou Whitaker always left the field before the national anthem?
Never heard that before
Lou's a Jehovah's Witness.