Ivar Arpi: Why did Sweden turn Right-wing?
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00:00 - 01:10 - Introduction
01:10 - 04:28 - Ivar Arpi explains Sweden’s recent election and the ascendency of the Sweden Democrats
04:28 - 12:05 - Sweden’s problem with immigration
12:05 - 15:50 - Are there really no-go zones?
15:50 - 21:29 - What does repatriation mean in the Swedish context?
21:29 - 28:12 - Will Sweden’s new Right-wing government fix the country’s problems with immigration and integration?
28:12 - 34:43 - What’s Ivar Arpi’s optimistic vision for Sweden?
34:43 - 37:48 - What does this all say about the Swedish national character?
37:48 - 44:46 - What does the future look like?
44:46 - 45:35 - Concluding thoughts
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NOTE: in the discussion about repatriation from 415 an edit confused the sense of what Ivar was saying. It sounds like he said that repatriation was one of the most important issues facing Sweden, but what he actually said was that *migration* is one of the most important issues. The full edited quote, including what he said before 4:34 in this video, is below:
"This is one of the primary things to understand with Sweden if you compare to Italy for example - is that for what we can call National Populists, if you use Matthew Goodwin's term, or you can call it right wing populists, they differ a lot in terms of how central to them the migration issue is. To the Sweden Democrats and to the Swedish people, that's the most important issue together with crime."
Thanks for that clarification, but you are unduly concerned about rehabilitating Ivar's reputation for non-extremism. It's your demand for baseless "optimism" that is causing unrest in the ranks below. So far as I've seen exactly no one has demurred from Ivar's call for repatriation when obviously called for. On the other hand the consensus among those who defend you is that you were only playing devil's advocate. I don't think so, but if so you now, interview over, ought to be free to clarify THAT.
Gandy dancer is right. You’re doing the Liz Truss shuffle Freddie. Glad to have discovered your channel which is excellent, but is being Tufnell Park about ‘divarsity’ really an option if we’re going to rescue anything from the mess we’re in? The point is we’re trying to avoid a meltdown. Mass immigration must stop.
Hi
Haha, yeah I figured as much. Repatriation is still a fringe concept, although a minor nationalist party like Alternative for Sweden has helped popularizing it somewhat.
@@stevef9530 You can stop a car, it is designed with brakes. This policy has no brakes. Once you notice you have a problem the option to change are gone. That is without looking at the policy agenda that pushes the policy which has all kinds of self interest associated with it. From cheap labour, and breaking labour, to defining political enemies as racists and Nazis, elite opinion has found it's home.
When you are FAR LEFT, everything appears FAR RIGHT.
Just like when you are FAR RIGHT, everything appears FAR LEFT.
It is all relative. But also, there is an annoying tendency to call "far-right" everything you don't like.
Spot on
sweden wasnt far left for 100 years and cobstantly crept twoards right. now we made a huge leap even further right.
Can i steal ur comment? Spot on..
They didnt go right wing. They went moderate, but that appears right wing when you are used to being a radical leftist country.
Spot on.
Same in America. Anything sane and lawful is considered fascist by their indoctrinated Leftist movement. Anything to the Right of far Leftists is considered by them as fascist, including moderate Leftists.
They have gone right wing on immigration but it seems that in other policies the left wing values remain. Maybe we need to ask what is fundamentally left wing about uncontrolled immigration....when it is women and the working class who are most negatively affected.
Bingo
The dialectic moves leftwards all the time. What was moderate 20 years ago is now far right.
Italy isn’t far right now, they’re just standing for what the silent majority weren’t allowed to say
I am an immigrant in to Sweden. I came to Sweden 30 years ago. My children were born here and went to school here. Now they both have jobs and basically live like Swedes. We as a family adapted ourselves very quickly to Sweden, learning Swedish, earning a decent living, paying taxes and contributing to society. We have seen big changes in Sweden in the last 20 years, most for worse when it comes to law and order, job situation, riots and violence in streets and society. All these changes in the last 20 years have occurred in pace with the larger scale immigration in to Sweden than before. I get the feeling that the recent immigrants are less motivated to assimilate them selves in Sweden. Their level of education from the home country could be the reason behind it. They have difficulty in learning Swedish, learning new skills, acquiring jobs, and generally become a population that gets isolated from the Swedish society. So having given up trying to adapt to Sweden, they now want to change Sweden to resemble their land that they left behind, establishing their own cultural identity, their own religion, their own extreme views (on women's rights, on religion, on honour culture and higher tolerance to violence ). This is a very unfortunate development in a country that has been so accommodating and generous to immigrants.
Good points. Natural ‘organic’ integration is best for all. Politically engineered displacement of people recently has been part of an accelerated UN programme which has co-incited with dependence I. technology (mobiles, social media and new generation trends).
Its immigrants like you that Europe needs and does well with, and the immigrants too in return!
Yes many in Europe might realize sooner than later that the type of immigrants you have mentioned want to create their own “ mini-lands” in European countries, because in their mind they still live there and therefore don’t Embrace Europe in culture, language and Religion.
The elephant in the room that isn't spoken about is lsIam & it's doctrine that inherently devalues human life with a preference of focus on a fictitious after life & an obsession with not only ensuring that adherents adhere to 7th century barbarism but that ALL the worlds people for the sake of the salvation of ALL souls surrender to the same!!
Censorship going on here!!
This is the daft policy of Multiculturalism (with a capital M) in action.
I am Swedish. Just to be clear, the Swedish political spectrum is more left leaning than in most European countries. So our centre parties is left wing in most countries and our right wing parties are in the centre elsewhere. The right wing constellation that are in government now are proposing policies now that are just common sense really. If you are an immigrant you have to learn the language Swedish, if your grades are lacking you have to stay in for extra time in school, you have to accept democratic norms, you have to try to apply for a job on a regular basis so you don’t live of subsidise from government and you can support yourself instead of living of tax money. If you commit serious crimes (murder, rapes etc.) you are to be deported after you have served your time in prison. Non of this policies are to be regarded as radical right wing policies. The problem is that the left wing has done a very good job labelling law and order as facist policies.
This would common sense everywhere else in the world outside Europe
I'm an immigrant to the UK and completely perplexed why some of the stuff needs to be discussed or debated at all
That’s what ALL us normal thinking people want but we keep being labelled far right fascists! The left has gone mad.
deported to where? We in NL can't even deport if we want to, no country likes to take trash back. Dont think you are better than the rest in Sweden with your oh it is all really left. Sweden is bi polar, you will go far right once it really flips, that is how we know the Swedish, am I wrong?
The responsibility to adjust is on the newcomer. That's the difference between a new citizen and an invader.
Unfortunately immigration is colonis@tion.
In the US, progressives discuss de facto Mexican annexation of the Southwestern US optimistically as a "revenge of history". Even though drug cartels run Mexico, have turned the country into an endless civil war, and have been selling their drugs in the US, progressives have been training themselves (and the country) to think nothing should be done.
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As a swede in Helsingborg I see the reality of crime everyday and I can say that Ivar Arpi hit the nail right on the head
Yeah but you are also autistics
I live in Sweden and I'm an immigrant. I come from another European country. I lived in a place where my neighbors were swedes and now live in a place where literally all of them are from middle east and surroundings. Both places were below average in terms of household income. And let me tell you, I've never been so strongly against extra-European immigration as I am now. For those who think we can just get all along, try and move to a place where you do live with them. They have absolutely no respect for other people or rules in general. And it's literally all of them. The full building, I have stories about literally all of them. I never had a single issue with my Swedish neighbors for two years. And I do work with mostly extra-European immigrants as well. Those are educated, and I never had any problems with them. But now that I live with these people, I started seeing some patterns. Even the educated, you can tell the difference when it comes to respect to others and society. Call me whatever you want, maybe I'd do the same before I had this experience.
What is mean European? Most of Albanians are gangs. Albania has the largest wave of illegal immigration to the EU and of asylum seekers still now...
This is obvious for anyone who has lived near them. You can't bridge a thousand years of culture, common law etc with some social engineering.
I'm 100% in favor of European immigration, but I'm 100% against immigration outside of Europe.
It's as if the Swedish elite - those who brought this disaster upon themselves - have never asked themselves why the countries the problematic immigrants hail from are in such a state.
@@twntwrs Oh they have but their answer is colonization or the Irak war.
I'm German but left to live in the UK 25 years ago. My city is unrecognisable. I'm not safe walking home alone at night. Crime and rape stats are up, there is a shortage of housing. Merkel has destroyed my country and the damage is irreversible!
And barely anyone will talk about it.
@@rocketpig1914 if you do, you'll be shunned, might lose your job or be called a Nazi.
I live in Germany and I agree with you. Wir schaffen es nicht. Every day there are knife attacks, rapes and similar. But only the local press reports because it has become a daily issue. How about stopping destabilising countries and then people who don't want to, won't have to live together.
@@judy7276 And that's a huge red flag. Someone wants to do harm to Europe and its native populations. If you oppose, you will be taken out.
And Merkel was supposedly a conservative. We have the same problem with our own ‘tories’, as I expect you’ve noticed…
LOL at the notion of protecting culture and enforcing immigration laws being "right wing".
This, of course, is no accident. It is always the case with the Left that any policy with which it does not agree is immediately labeled and relentlessly presented as "extremist", "right wing", "racist" "xenophobic" etc. precisely because such policies or opinions are then easier to denigrate, ridicule, censor and even criminalize. The persuasive success of this calculated evil is evident in the fact that millions of Left-wingers continue to exist and perpetrate mayhem around the world.
Aka just normal common sense. Of course the hard left would call this right wing because they are left wing.
As a person whose Grandfather was from Sweden I used to visits it regularly in the 1980s. There were no grenade attacks, no talk about rape, no real crime. As a kid I thought their television channels sucked, but the idea that I could be unsafe going anywhere was completely alien. The level society has degraded to is a level that back then would have been considered insane. And there has been a complete lack of willingness to change the policies that were causing these issues. So this does not surprise me at all.
I live in a town outside Stockholm called Bro with a population of around 7000. What the guest describes about Swedish crime is rampant here. Shootings, homicides, grenades thrown and setting cars on fire is far too common! We have had grenades thrown at family houses due to them calling the police on kids hooning their mopeds down their street. A neighbour in the building next to me had a gang shoot into his apartment (he had made some enemies apparently). A family (husband, wife and baby) who were trying to sell their car had an attempted car jacking and gang members fired into their car while the dad sped off. Thankfully no one was shot. In one month 30 cars were randomly set on fire. There are lots of random shootings going on in the area. The list goes on!
Have you heard about alcohol and drugs. You know right that most violence in one way or another have a connection to those 2 things.
@@erikalulea3608 with the gang violence I'd say its about drugs
That sounds horrendous!
Bruh
Definitely all the fault of white supremacy...
Wonderful to be able to even discuss this topic.
Mr. Arpi hit the nail on the head when he said Freddy had a privileged view of immigration. How true. There is a huge difference between basing your worldview on your impressions of highly educated immigrants you might meet through work (who necessarily have some shared goals) and those who aren't educated and you have no common ground with. To base policy on the former is demonstrably naive.
I also wondered about Freddy's assertion that the economy is doing great and therefore who cares if you share the pot? Clearly that is untrue and it will get very difficult for those in Britain this winter who are struggling to get by because of inflation. It's bad policy then to be giving generous benefits to foreign born when you can't meet the needs of your own citizens.
Yes, let's see if we can afford to give them cake like freddy says we should.
@@aislingmcdonald6778 I agree with that. But do you think destroying your society and prosperity will be of any help?
To be fair to Freddy, he's very good at being devil's advocate. He talks to a lot of people that could get him ruined over here with our embarrassing elites and media.
Yes, exactly this.
@@lewdchew Agreed, but he is {hopefully) kind of overplaying the Pollyanna bit in this one.
I do like Freddie as an interviewer but every now and then he reminds us that he's an "old-school" liberal. All people are the same, good economy is all that matters - for someone so interested in the state of the world it's just incredible how one could still hold that view!
Apparently its OK to sacrifice identity, culture, mores, language, religion, heritage, tradition and yes, safety for a few extra points of GDP. The claim that London of all places is a success story is mad, utterly mad!
I agree on London. It's now a theme park inhabited by the international super-rich and tourists living in sullen coexistence with the grindingly poor - mostly immigrants - who service their needs. It's a soulless mess.
London is a parasite on the side of Britain. The people there have absolutely nothing in common with their supposed co-nationals.
@@johnneville403 well said
"All people are the same, good economy is all that matters" - Straw man
@@michaelnurse9089 Nah, not really. Maybe not true of Freddie as he's playing devil's advocate but with a lot of liberal/libertarian types, push them far enough and the whole "everyone is an individual, there's no group level differences" conceit will rear its head.
It is beyond me why the host can’t simply accept that the people of a country have the ultimate right to decide who comes to their country or not. They built their culture and don’t want to see it destroyed or even remotely impacted.
What is a country if not a group of people defined by a shared common vision and contained within geographical boarder? All countries have a set of standards for who they let in and who they do not……not unlike how as individuals we have our standards for who we let into our lives. If We as individuals would not just let anyone be our friend, then why on earth would we just let anyone into our country??? A country with completely open boarders, is by definition, no country at all.
The utopia of borderless states is crumbling! The idea that people of a country can be governed by unelected officials and their law overrules the the law of the country is not sustainable any more! People are waking up and realizing that they are being mislead! It’s not far right as some call it,it’s government by the people and for the people of that country! Let the people decide their own destiny,preserve their identity,culture,traditions and self determinations! When they are happy and productive,they are strong! Europe can be strong again and never be a puppet to any other big powers!
WOW!! OK, so why does the UK, US and so on go to other cultures and bomb the people to oblivion? Imagine fear in the west is destroying us.
@@toolegit2quit173 "All countries have a set of standards for who they let in and who they do not…"
As if.
He is a journalist, it’s not about whether he can accept it or not, his aim is to challenge the guest on his arguments.
As a migrant to Sweden ariving here in 1993 I have seen an almost unbelivable change in this country and not for the better. It make me sad to see it go all so wrong.
Typical racist rhetoric. You are a poorly educated idiot.
Make your native country great,…. and don't flee to the germanic-anglo-nordic-baltic countries.
And who are you to talk in the name of g-a-n-b countries? 🤣
I cannot believe that Freddy is so naïve about the stabbing in London, the grooming gangs, the car jackings, etc. mostly ‘cultural’ importation. I lived in South Africa for 40 years and there was a time when carjacking, which was very popular in South Africa, was practically unheard of by my family visiting from England. Mostly immigrants bring their culture with them.
Sad, but true.
Oh, I totally believe it. He lives in an odd bubble...
The guardian says it doesn’t happen so it doesn’t happen
He's not from the class that has to experience this. We see this time and time again.
Sweden takes 1000 steps to the left followed by 6 steps to the right.
Freddy: "Why are you right wing now?"
@@blackphilip8936 Far right? Don't be an idiot. Virtually all the Swedish 'right' parties are centre left in most other countries. The Swedish Democrats are more central than most right wing parties in the rest of the world.
@@Andy007400 I think you missed the sarcasm mate.
@@Andy007400 that was actually the point...
Sweden is center right.
There's 1 left wing party amidst numeral center and right wing parties.
"Many don't come to Sweden to be Swedish".....that's a significant statement. Traditions and values will be eroded over time. That's the sad thing overall.
@CCRider It's not that easy. Your grandparents obviously had a drive to learn English and work hard. This is not the mindset of recent year's immigrants to Sweden. They have zero interest in learning Swedish or becoming part of Swedish society. They've been told they don't need to, and there's been zero incentive to force them to cross that language barrier.
@CCRider "give people a chance" hmm, but the problem with this is that if it fails. Sweden culture is lost. Look at London, is "functioning well" a good way to describe it?
@CCRider You have missed the point being made in the interview. Not everyone does what your grand parents did. Significant areas of towns and cities can change due to uncontrolled immigration and failure to adapt to the laws and rules of the new country, that's what Sweden's experience shows. This has also been seen in parts of the UK, France and Germany. It doesn't mean immigration is wrong but where violence and unruly behaviour, in particular, becomes commonplace, as suggested in parts of Sweden, then there's a problem. This cannot be ignored where it adversely affects wider society, hence the debate.
@CCRider No!
@CCRider These terms are self explanatory.
I live in west coast Norway. There has hardly been any street violence in my town, not in the way you see in the UK and other places. But twice in the past 6 months I have been 'started on' in the street by Somalians (I assume to be recently migrated, as they spoke English). Both times for 'standing in their way', I was just standing talking on the street at the end of the night, and they were walking towards me, basically accusing me of blocking the wide sidewalk by just standing there. Just and excuse to start trouble. This worries me greatly. We aren't used to this sort of attitude.
The problem faced by Sweeden or Norway in this case is the fact that you're a pacified society, We have some of the same problems in France, the only regions who don't are, funily enough Corsica and the south-west of France, now these two regions are also the regions that were the most of native organised crime came from, so when immigrant youths or gangs tried to bully people the local mafia took care of them.
Immigrated to Sweden from Germany. I actually came here because I like the culture and I do my to be a part of it. My take on it is: Protect what is worthy of protection.
London's functioning well? I think not. Germany's immigrant influx has worked out just fine? Freddie, come on, sometimes events overtake us and we have to make difficult decisions. Sorry if that upsets you.
Yeah, I'm unsubbing.
The Cockney has gone the same way as the Dodo.
I was struck by that, too
Freddie always plays devil's advocate and allows the guest to make their case. I am surprised that so many comments are critical of Freddie on this video. He did the interview for crying out loud. So many wouldn't. Does he have to agree with every word of the guest for it to be an interesting or beneficial conversation? Echo chambers are boring! Freddie never does that. Not even for the sake of winning a few extra subscribers.
@@just_another32 Nonsense. Sayers could easily have challenged his guest, and elicited a more interesting conversation, without so convincingly "playing" the entitled virtue-signaling twit. There's plenty of room to engage Arpi from a reality-based POV even if Arpi is already much more based than the useless British gormless-gentry POV. I anyway don't think Sayers was just playing the twit here..
There is a serious class bias when it comes to how immigration is viewed in Britain, and I wonder if it's a similar story in Sweden. It is the poor communities that are the most disrupted by mass immigration and benefit the least from it, whereas the 'well-off' middle classes and up are insulated from the negative effects of it. Because of this, the liberally minded members of those social classes are continually amazed by how well a populist anti-immigration message plays with the public as a whole, tending to just assume that this is because the poor working class British are uneducated bigots.
Yeah. It might be found that migration is a net good to a society. Or the EU is a net benefit. But that benefit is not felt equally accross the population.
Ironically it is precisely the areas with least immigration that are most anti-migration, the same is true in Germany.
@@peterhardie4151
So you sell your cultural soul to have cheaper labor in the nursing home?
@@GingerDrums You could not be more wrong if you took a vaccine to achieve it. The border states in the US are flooded with hundreds of thousands of illegals going through their yards, homes, barns and they are starting to get so desperate they are becoming violent in desperation. We had 2.7 million people in a year and a half on foot. Do you have any idea the billions of dollars this has cost in damage, and expense not to mention anguish of people whose lives have become unliveable in their own homes because of the cartels? The 100,000 deaths we are online to have related to fentanyl this year? Fentanyl is now the number one killer in the US of 18-45 year olds. In my state of FL yesterday alone they seized enough to kill half the state of Florida and the press doesn't even mention it. You have no idea what youre talking about.
@@GingerDrums "Ironically it is precisely the areas with least immigration that are most anti-migration..."
Nonsense.
Ivar Arpi is one of the best and most sincere journalists we have here in Sweden. To see him here is great!
Thanks for brining him in and for a great intervju. Loved it!
Letting people in without due diligence and then paying them to leave is insanity.
they will take the money then be back again a few weeks later with different identification papers
How absolutely removed from reality is the interviewer to say that London is functioning quite well.
The scale of White flight is a clue.
The Cockney has gone the same way as the Dodo.
It's working quite nicely thank you for those in Kensington who have a supply of low-paid labour to work in their restaurants.
or not, "functioning quite well" is hardly a glowing review is it? He has resigned himself to a lower standard.
London a success story? Man Freddie where do you live?
My old part of London is like Mogadishu, everyone White has fled.
Probably Hampstead or Swiss Cottage
@@evolassunglasses4673 Why did they flee?
Ivar Arpi is spot on when he describes the Swedh youth’s shift towards the right as a reaction to mass immigration. Many adults and older people often don’t see the consequences, they’re at work most of the time and don’t have to face it while younger people see the consequences in their schools and when they go out on the weekends.
Yeah. Sweden is extremely segregated (Stockholm is one of the most segregated cities in the world) as well which contributes to many adults not experiencing the negatives of the immigraiton.
@@LoudnessJP true, if you live in Stockholm and have a job in the city and live in a nice suburb you can avoid a lot of the changes brought by mass immigration. This isn’t possible in smaller towns.
That’s why I prefer to live in Stockholm.
I'm from Sweden and live here; and I wouldn't say it's a good thing that so many doctors are foreign. They often don't understand what you mean and it is very hard to communicate with them. Also, multiculturalism is not great when you actually want Sweden to be Swedish, with people respecting tradition and culture. The foreign born sadly often don't do that at all.
At least not those who came in the last 20ish years, the people from the balkan that came 30ish years ago did a great job becoming one with the country without losing their own identity.
We also had a culture minister say "Sweden have no native culture" That is not okay.
So you’d prefer to not meet a doctor at all rather than meeting a foreign one? If we didn’t have these doctors coming to Sweden, we wouldn’t have enough doctors to handle our already struggling healthcare. I mean if I had to choose between getting treatment or not, I’d choose treatment every time. Obviously I get why people want to understand their doctors, but when you choose between getting help or not, the downside of foreign doctors outweigh the benefit.
Become a doctor yourself then.
Swedish culture is still deeply engrained in society. Ask any foreigner who visits Sweden and they will tell you.
Also, culture and traditions are not static, they have never been. Most of what we would describe as typical Swedish cultural artifacts are no more than a few generations old. Things change all the time.
You have grown old, so you remember when things where different, and you imagine things were always the way they were when you were younger. They weren't though. You just didn't have the perspective of time back then.
@@Elias-ix7wf That's just the thing; it's hard to get the help you need when you are not properly understood and it also, actually, endangers patient security/health.
@@JH-lo9ut True, but these changes used to come gradually, over hundreds of years - not ten or twenty. And it is still true, that when a country takes you in as a foreigner, you have to show appreciation and respect. When I visit other countries I'm careful to do this, I expect the same consideration from those who come here. And I'm not that old (39). :)
The conflict in Lebanon had its roots in the mass immigration of people who wished to imprint their religion on that country's laws and resulted in the civil war of 1974. Cyprus was divided into north and south in 1970s based on those who identified as ethnic Turks and those who identified as ethnic Greeks. India was divided to create Pakistan because as Sayed Ahmed Khan said, Hindus and Muslims are too different. This Swedish man is being realistic in his appraisal of the Swedish situation NOT pessamistic.
Sayers disagrees with you.
Sad.
Uniquely, Islam has something called sharia law, which is a backward, totalitarian political movement that crushes human freedom, and for which the penalty for leaving it is death. Only Islam calls for the death for any one who leaves it. This is not true for Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, or any other religion, because only Islam is both a political movement and a religion. Sharia law is the reason why it is almost impossible for followers of Islam to be immigrants and to integrate. Instead, they come to a new country as settlers, not immigrants.
And now London of all places has a mayor named KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!. Talk about a trojan horse.
You forgot zionists in Palestine.
@@charismahornum-fries691 Not sure what point you're trying to make relative to the original comment? None?
The speaker is not pessimistic he's realistic.
Well you know what they say: "A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist"
It took me *days* to listen to this whole interview. I had to pause it when I couldn't take anymore, but I left the window open in the hopes that I would come back to it. And I did. Day after Day, I persisted in coming back until I had listened to the end.
I persisted partly because I appreciate the efforts that Freddie has made in the past to understand and document our current reality.
I also persisted in listening because Mr. Arpi consistently made excellent points well.
In the end, the impression I'm left with is this:
Freddie's *need* for optimism is frustrating. He resists hearing a point unless it is expressed with optimism.
Dear Freddie,
The future is going to be difficult. We have large obstacles to overcome. We can only overcome these obstacles with truly good policies combined with patient determination.
Hope is to be found in Jesus Christ. There isn't supposed to be hope in politics. Politics is work. Day after day, we work together.
Sincerely,
Daniel Finn
Amen
Amen
Amen ✝️🇸🇪
Why did it take you days?
From being a Swedish myself living in Sweden I need to clarify that Sweden didnt turn right wing. Even our right wing parties are more or less central-left. The new formed government did not form a government together with this right wing populist party. Sure they became the second biggest and will influence our politics especially around migration. However Sweden is not right wing and even the most right parties have very left oriented ideas. Nobody want to lower the taxes and all support public heathcare etc. Just as a comment
Emil Gustavsson, how sad that you're more afraid of the label than the actual problem your country is suffering from....
@@amialal4510 Do you live in Sweden? Or did you form your view on international news channels?
@@EmilGustavssonUp I strictly replied to your comment, the content of it, for which I do not have to live in Sweden or any particular country for that matter. Unlike you, I didn't insult you, with any ad hominem attack because it's just not polite.
@@amialal4510 where did i insult you? You specified that my country had problems. I wanted to know where you based that on. TH-cam is not reality 100% and I people were interested to hear the view from someone actually living here
@@EmilGustavssonUp I may have misunderstood the information part. May be it was the wording. I 'didn't specify that your country has problems'. The problems your country has are the problems all western and white countries experience. Nothing new there. Your comment was more about explaining Sweden's current political leaning than about Ivar Arpi's heartfelt concerns. Hence my comment.
The part that Freddie doesn't understand is that once you have people that commit very dangerous crimes, young impressionable youth get approached to be a part of it and before you know it, there are kids everywhere that have no future goals mindset. They get caught up in the web of criminal behavior because they are intimidated or want to fit in.
That's when the wheels really start to fall off.
This is exactly (!) where we are now in Sweden.
@@mrcassioo I'm so sorry. But sadly I'm seeing evidence of this everywhere. It's very concerning.
One of the major problems with this, as Sweden is dealing with, is that the people committing crimes for themselves or for the most part gangs, they are too young to get into prison.
The police manages to catch one and move them to a rehabilitation center, the next day there are two more kids showing up to take the persons place.
@@Ca11mero It's been forever since young offender laws have been modified. No one dares to try now.
It's beyond bizarre and tragic that a culture with such a high intellectual and educational level has had such naivete as regards what would happen if immigration would take place under the conditions they let it happen or even promoted it. A naivete which potentially has led to the culture sowing the seeds of its own destruction.
The people were never ever asked,same as UK. 😱😯
Yes, that is the real problem.
Straight-Right in swedish means something like a "direct punch" (like "a right hook" but not a hook ofc) And means that you are direct about issues not that you are "right-wing" You can see that Ivar makes a punch when the name comes up but sadly does not catch on to the interviewer claiming that he is right-wing due to the name. It means that he is direct and does not hide from issues not that he has a right-wing ideology.
Mr Arpi seems a very thoughtful person. Freddie seems more and more adsorbed to the elite bubble every time I hear him. Soon he may disappear into the bubble, assuming his income or family money is adequate.
There is absolute no reason to accept an Asylum Seeker, and then allow them to bring all of the bad that they escaped from with them. If you want to seek Asylum to escape violence, then you must establish safe communities and try to assimilate with the society that you fled to! Do not expect to turn your new home into your old home.
It’s ok to want a clean house, it doesn’t mean you are bigoted toward the dirt.
The sudden rise in the number of people being labeled "asylum seekers" the past couple years is just a leftwing stunt to enable more illegal immigration.
Immigration is colonis@tion, they want the West.
Very true. IMO if you emigrate legally, then you have the intention to respect the culture you move to. I emigrated 20 years ago, had to prove monthly income, have health insurance etc. Illegals land here all the time but they move on, probably to the UK as there are few handouts here.
The irony here is immense. Did European powers adjust to the cultures they conquered or assimilate? I am an immigrant who is assimilated and I LOVE Britain but dear god this kind of naive expectation for others to ditch their cultures is stupid and reductive . See my comment about foreign policy.
@@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232 It's only ironic if the migrants are there to conquer
Id like to give an example from life here in Sweden.
The place I work at get paid by the government to have immigrants without jobs working for us for 6 months, to give them work experiance, integration etc and hopefully they can get a real job afterwards. Im not their day to day team leader but I give them training in certain things so I meet them maybe for a week or two during this time.
Most of them can barely communicate in Swedish and so I thought they were recent immigrants but it turns out most of them have been here for 10-15 years. That is what finally opend my eyes about the real problems we face.
How are we supposed to integrate about a million people who have little to no education from their homeland(they can barely read and write in their own language) in a country where the system is built in such a way that you need to have gone to school for a minimum of 12 years from the age of 6 to 18 to even function in society...?
It sadens me greatly because most of them are not bad people, they just cant function in our society because it was built for us by us.
You dont need to go to school till 18 to function. Thats an exaggeration but I agree that the challenge to integrate individuals who have been here for a decade and still havent learned the language, is huge.
Any group who comes into another people's land and demand a seat at the table of their politics needs to get the hell out.. They are not in Europe to assimilate, they try to turn us into them.
Our cultures and countries are better than theirs so why the hell would we want to become more like them.
They need to go. 90% of them need to be sent back even the ones you claim are "mostly good people.."
Very interesting. An illuminating comment. Thanks for sharing
@@lalalinda1748 How will you integrate to these new migrants? Which aspect of the swedish world view should be adapted to be more compatible with conservative Islam? Integration is a two way street. I don't say this as an anti-muslim, I respect Muslims more than swedish liberals and leftists.
@@BigmanDogs one thing I realize more than anything when working with a majority of refugees (most of them sharing islamic beliefs and many of them - conservative beliefs), is the desire to interact with Swedes and understand "their" way of thinking.
When they are part of our education, they are challenged positively and it has affected world views. The interaction is vital for understanding - and like you mentioned -it goes both ways. I can assure you that the change is real but they really just need the opportunity to have any shot.
Last week one of my bosses did a diversity poll across our UK team which is full people from various countries (working remotely). I work with mostly Indians so I’m fully enriched. As a Scottish guy, who is as white as white can be, I didn’t respond to the poll. He later messaged me to ask if he could put me down as ‘white’. Clown world.
you should have told him you identify as indian
London is not functioning well. Very pleased to see Sweden is starting to return to reason. Looking forward to seeing more of Europe (and hopefully US) move in the same direction.
London is interesting to visit for a few days every so often, but it's not nice to stay there any longer than that because it has almost no community spirit, [apart from migrant communities].
The US is lost. Look at demographic statistics.
For example, how white kids make up only about 50% of all kids being born.
I was really surprised to hear him say that!
Because London is majority non-British
the move will be inevitable, but will it be timely? will the move be adequate to the situation? i doubt it will do anything more than create more chaos upon the current existing chaos. To some chaos is a ladder and given the somewhat recent history regarding tyrants, they can climb very well in chaos.
Freddy's utopian view of multiculturalism should be put next to the history of Lebanon, Yugoslavia, the Austrian empire, the Ottoman empire, every one a forced conglomeration.
Well frankly unless we can make global goals and tackle climate change we are fuckd regardless.
Cherrypicking. Pretty much ALL empires have been multicultural, from the Roman Empire to the USA.
@@Tilten but were they equal?
@@superbutterfree4689 In what way? Please elaborate.
@@Tilten the Romans ruled over other groups, the Americans have as well, just like all empires to some degree.
35:37 This moment was a perfect representation of the entire interview. Brilliant guest, and next to his calm, well thought out and genuinely non biased realism, the host is cast in a particularly unflattering light of being a vapid, naive progressive who would rather shove his head in the sand than admit his cultural imperialism is not a universal curative for every society's ills.
I’m from Sweden and got my first Swedish friends when I was 13.
It was because I was never around any swedes, all my friends were Somalis Iraqis Syrians Bosnians Persians Ethiopians etc.
I only understood something was wrong now when I’m older, a country can’t be like that.
I’m born here but my pronunciations is still bad, I have an accent. When I go to other places in Sweden where there is more swedes I get treated differently because they can hear an accent. I have had jobs worrying about it ( before I actually start to work and get good results, I was a salesman).
I have no idea about Swedish culture , I don’t even remembered the names of the holidays because it was so “ outside” my own realm. I never celebrated that, and neither did anybody else I knew.
It’s weird
That's honestly quite sad ...
As the interviewee said Sweden experienced a huge influx of migration in a very short period of time, and it ended up creating "ghettos" instead of really integrating the new generations, at least in certain areas I guess.
Unfortunately it might sound cynical but in order to integrate a new population, especially if the comes from a totally different cultural background, you have to be around natives, who should be the majority.. otherwise you are just going to assimilate to a parallel reality and end up feeling like a foreigner in the country you were born.
For instance in Italy, my own country, we have a law that says that in any classroom you should have at least 70% of Italian native speakers (99% of the time they are basically ethnically Italians, since we haven't had a long history of immigration like France or the UK)...is that racist or xenophobic? Personally, I don't think so. That's only a way to prevent creating a situation in which young people get assimilated to something that is not actually "Italian". If you go to smaller towns with less immigrants you will find many second generations that are perfectly integrated, they don't have any foreign accent, they take part in traditional festivities, their mannerisms are completely undistinguishable from natives, their cultural background is very close to that of any other Italian youngster etc.
But if you go to bigger cities like Milan or Bologna, where because of demographics and low native fertility rates ghettos couldn't been avoided (there are now elementary schools where more than 90% of the student body is composed of foreign children) you start to see younger generations that physically grew up in the country, but culturally they are quite foreign to most Italians (for instance they have slight non-native like accents, their mannerisms are different, the way they dress and behave is different, and usually influenced by rap culture, especially boys, they don't have any ethnically Italian friend, they use lots of foreign words etc.), even though most people won't admit it because of political correctness.
But I don't think that it is your fault, because you didn't choose where to live. The only thing you can do, as a more mature person, is try to integrate as much as you can and proactively create positive connections and try to know the culture. I don't think people will hate or be against the fact that you want to be part of their community, usually people are happy to share if you show interest, respect and appreciation, it's just human nature.
@@xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 yes that’s true. The culture we have in our ghettos is basically American. Everybody I knew including myself sold drugs. My friends got shot and stabbed .
I thought this was normal and that this experience was normal.
I moved abroad , I don’t live in Sweden anymore. It feels good. I’m just a normal foreigner, not some kind of hybrid Swedish not Swedish person..
It's not racist to protect your home.
When you open the door to guest's in your home and they trash the place....most people have the common sense to boot them out and stop inviting said guests.
An ambulance personnel just went out in the media explaining he now has quit his job because he can’t work safely under these violent circumstances (gang shootings).
Freddie is naive and privileged and so were the liberal idealogues who let so many people come into such a small country. Ivar is honest and clear sighted. It also should be acknowledged that the Swedish language is quite a barrier to integration. In the UK the universality of the English language makes the hope of some integration easier. Migration and integration are indeed the greatest challenges for Europe. Our leaders need to recognise this and drop the "Carbon" madness. Having wasted billions on Covidiocy, hosing more on Net Zero will leave us less able to cope with the other challenges facing us.
Sadly, it’s too late for countries like Sweden. The irreparable damage has been done. Douglas Murray wrote about this 5 years ago in ‘The Strange Death of Europe’.
Yes, as a Swede I agree. It's too late to go back to what we had, but we can at least have damage control. Migration is going to subside, because the world is steadily getting richer, and people will remain in their countries. Between 1870-1920, a million young Swedes went to the US, but then our economy improved, and everyone chose to stay. We migrate only if we have to, most people will stay in their own country. When the world has reached a more even degree of education, it's not a big problem. We don't have problems with Iranians in Sweden, because they are not religious, and they are educated. It's the best integrated group of all, I think.
It's too late for anything but the most radical and extreme measures. You don't repel an invasion or liberate your homeland from foreign occupation by political means. Unless one considers war as the continuation of politics with different means. Of course, war always changes countries and there never is a going back to things as they were.
It’s very close to being too late for America as well
@@annsandlund8376 Damage control? Not only is it too late to go back to what you once had. It is too late to keep it how it is right now. Swedish people will be a minority in their own country long before 2050. You lost
We lived here for 1000 years it's not over until we are all gone
Freddie, for once you are completely out of your depth. You simply don't understand what you are talking about. I suggest you spend a couple of weeks touring the north of England from Birmingham upwards. Stay in a different B&B every night and spend your days walking around each district simply observing. Forget London where diversity is so dilute that no particular majority is strong enough to dominate. I.E. a Turkish shop co existing with the Greek shop next door. When there is a large majority of Turkish shops the Greeks will move out. I have spent the thirty years as a paramedic in inner city Birmingham and watched Muslims clear areas of Hindus (Or vice versa.) by the use or relentless intimidation. I have witnessed 'white flight' and the subsequent transformation of entire districts. I have attended vicious fights between Sunni and Shia and listened to the vile racial slurs they throw at each other. I have watched previously welcoming public parks become no-go areas for people of the wrong group. But, worst of all, nothing ever appears in the local or national press which means the people like you, Freddie haven't got a clue what's really going on in our 'multi cultural' society. When things like Leicester are grudgingly reported you quickly skirt over it. (As you did in this interview.) As for your guest, he is wasting his energy, the horse has bolted and shutting the gate now will achieve nothing. What has happened in Sweden is irreversible. It will never be the same country again. Maybe that's the plan.
Agree 100%
Thank you for informing me that the UK is a completely dysfunctional shithole country dominated by relentless race wars. Maybe not so bad you left EU.
Thank you for sharing!
Failure to set boundaries personally and nationally is rooted in an "others first" and "us last" mentality. This self defeating principle results in weakening of self and nation. Individuals and nations must put themselves first or decline.
The problem feels less one of immigration than of invasion. The support systems - health, housing and education, along with policing and other social institutions (that have taken generations of effort and tax-payers money to build), can no longer cope. The feelings of alienation by members of local communities when large numbers of foreigners arrive (uninvited) are understandable. These are often those who have no choice in moving to another area. This is not xenophobia or racism but that they themselves feel displaced within their own communities - alien languages, customs, perceived standards, and religious beliefs are but some of the things that make for fear and discomfiture. If you feel one of these 'invaders' is likely to take available work, housing opportunities, and affect the quality of your children's education, If you feel your own government is not protecting your community and culture from these ravages, it is hardly surprising that the voting population will turn to those who say they will..... usually the 'Right'.
They wouldn't be there if NATO didn't destroy Libya and the rest of North Africa and the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Why the hell is Sweden joining NATO?
I think all western countries feel the same way. In Australia our health system is failing, we have homelessness and a housing crisis, there are shortages and inflation, infrastructure to provide roads, electricity and drinking water have not kept up with population rises. The governments response is to bring in a million immigrants as soon as possible. It doesn't matter who gets elected. Mass immigration is never stopped.
I guess many parts of the world had this feeling. Australia Day is seen as Invasion Day by the Aborigines. Compared to the European invasions of other parts of the world even the most violent and best organised foreign criminal gang look like amateurs.
"Foreigners arrive (uninvited)" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Gold_Coast
If you ever run for office in a place where I vote... I'll vote for you. "less one of immigration than invasion"... "that have taken generations ... to build" very well-said.
Yes - but it is the population as a whole that supported such predictable catastrophe. They could have turned it back years ago, and likely with better integrative success, but they didn't. Caveat emptor.
Good to see Swedes have finally had enough
For God's sake, just stop dodging the elephant in the room. It's not rocket science, Islam is the biggest problem so can't we just tell it like it is? Rediculous.
@@paulmorgancollings7833 say something about Hindus
As a 25 year old Swedish man I think the main reason is the immigrant from the Middle East. A lot of them have showed absolutely zero interest in changing their ways and adapting to living here. They don’t learn the language and exploit our welfare system to the point where it can no longer sustain itself. We have given these immigrants way more then what they deserve but they refuse to give anything back.
There are of course a lot of other factors, like the government cutting funding to school, police and healthcare, but I think the immigration situation ended up becoming the last straw and now people want harder rules and changes for the better. This included immediately deporting any immigrant who commits a serious crime and anyone who doesn’t want to properly assimilate.
I am also sad to admit that the Swedish people have taken up a very negative view of anyone who is from the Middle East. Seeing them as uncivilized savages who are completely irredeemable. The population have long demanded that the government stop supporting them since all they will do is drain our resources and tax money and in return we get a bunch of criminals and will only cause more harm.
I don’t know how things will develop in the future but it’s likely that the government will do its best to either force these immigrants to change or else they will be thrown out. In the meantime a lot more resources are dedicated to law enforcement, likely because if an immigrant gets convinced either enough times or for a serious crime they will have proper cause for deportation.
I can't believe how naive Freddy is on this issue.
As smashing a success as immigration has been in England, could it have been done better? Could there have been fewer beheadings, knife attacks, organized sex slavery, and general mayhem?
I trust you're being ironic about the first bit, though on the internet it's hard to tell.
Yes as an Australian I've stopped wasting money holidaying in Britain. I can stay at home and enjoy multiculturalism for free.
If it wasn't for immigrants, who would clean your toilet?
@@mostlypeacefulrowan8747 I clean my own toilet thanks
@@jeannie920 Evidently Helpless Child Rowan is projecting. Without immigrants how would his diapers get changed?
A government’s first responsibility is to ensure the safety of its citizens. Also, there’s an enormous difference between legal migration and an influx of illegal immigrants that a country’s citizens did not vote for.
Both are highly problematic.
@CCRider Distinguish if you like, but each have been disastrous.
@CCRider _"Pity the Midwest US depends on all of them for picking and farming."_
Immigrants from a less devolved place outcompete the native population when they demand a much lower standard in terms of salary and working conditions.
I fully agree with Vince that both are problematic since otherwise you're making an appeal to the law that just because it's legal it's okay, and that's it's somehow a difference between a legal person from an under developed country and an illegal person from the exact same place. Most immigrants in Sweden and Europe for example are legal, therefore there cannot be a distinction as both leads to the same issues.
And when we're talking about work immigration, that's a problem as well even if it's higher skill jobs since you could educate your own population when there's an increased need (and why is there an increased need? Ask that as well.), but instead they choose to import workers and ruin the opportunity for your own citizen to adapt to the need of the market, creating an expanding hole of an ill-adapt domestic market.
When Freddy’s daughter or family are hurt his song of optimism will change
Imagine attacking Swedens character after they tried to be the most kind society in earth and were repayed with violence and crime
I used to think Freddie Sayers was engaged. (He was good at analysing lockdown policy). Now he increasingly seems privileged and aloof. This guy should have gone on the New Culture Forum, rather than Unherd.
You're completely wrong. NCF is just everyone wanking each other off, there is no engagement, just agreement. Freddy is awesome.
He might be trying to play devil's advocate sometimes when he doesnt come across well. I think he is fairly redpilled.
@@omgzfuup I was thinking similarly. An interview is extra boring if it's just two guys agreeing the whole time. Freddie, while offering the counter argument, isn't trying to talk over or smear his guest. That indicates to me that he's at least not passionate about the pro-immigration stance.
I’m sure he’s playing devils advocate, otherwise he wouldn’t invite people on the show who are that controversial for mainstream media.
@@omgzfuup Totally agree. He tries to allow the guest to say their piece and make their case. I say well done!
Say it like it is. You can't just mix people from different places and expect them to get along perfectly.
Some people in particular, say, those with religious superiority complexes
Especially not at this pace and volume
Multiculturalism has never worked ever in any country
Muslims. Simple as that.
@@TheNugler Umayyad dynasty in medieval Spain. Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony, resulting in.a "golden age". Chinese immigration into the U.S. in the early 20th century. Treated with hatred and suspicion at first (and they were a really "alien" culture), eventually they integrated superbly. It depends, in other words.
It's just sad. Everyone tried to tell them, but they never listened. And now it's too late.
Sounds like the conversations we had in the 90's in South Africa.....
You are about to get a rude awakening in Europe.
I was amazed when Freddie implied that the problems in Sweden occurred because of the failure of the Swedes to welcome them properly. What if the goal of the immigrants is to take over the country?
I was in Greece in 2019 and met a man who was from France and had moved to Greece years earlier. He said that he had moved because of the problems that were caused by the changes made by the immigrants.
John Lund What does right wing and left wing actually mean nowadays?
I (German) always considered myself a "leftie" voted for the SPD and the Greens in the past. During the Corona situation and now the war in Ucraine these 2 parties have become so authoritarian and warmongering, genuflecting to the global corporations (Pharma, Military complex, Big Tech) that I would not dream of voting for them now. Social justice has been replaced by "climate justice", the ruling classes are not at all held to account anymore by so called left wing parties in Germany - quite the opposite. I, as a leftie feel completely betrayed by these sham left wingers who endlessly promote the Covid vaccinations and are in favour of sending heavy arms to Ucraine. To top it all, todays "left wing" parties (I'm talking about Germany here) are teeming with totally incompetent, narcissists, fanatical ideologues, some very corrupt MPs who are not serving the majority of the people but the interests of Big business, multinational corporations. So much for the state of "the left" in Germany.
What used to be left seems to have become what used to be right. And worse.
@@andreaerling7614 I think basically the Leftists in America are pretty much as you described the Leftists in Germany. They have actually become authoritarian and dictatorial. They say that the Right are Fascists, Racists, evil.
I think the Right is more conservative, law abiding
and wants to protect America from the Leftists for the most part, not that they are perfect though.
I wonder if Freddie would have said the same if Nazis were being imported in numbers and demanding respect for their cultural ways ….
@@mogznwaz I doubt it, I recently read that Sweden might be the first West European country to “adopt” Sharia Law due to the influx of Muslims.
There is a video on youtube where Swedish journalist asks an immigrant from Africa on his view of Sweden giving him home. And immigrant's answer is the Allah who gave him everything, not the Swedish taxpayer.
Apparently there is an “obligation” to be optimistic over realistic. After creating a problem, often you have to realize that the damage caused is just irreversible.
I agree. Freddie said he doesn’t like the idea that there’s only fatalism ahead of you talk about what to do with the problem. He wants to bury his head and pretend it’s all roses rather than ask the hard questions.
This interview illustrates why the out of touch, naive elite just don't get it.
Same old refrain, it's oiur fault, we haven't been inclusive enough, more programs needed etc.... No Freddie, some people just don't/won't integrate and the horrendous crime and parallel societies situation that Ivar constantly points out results. Then people want this fixed.
It's that simple Freddie.
This is one of the most sensible discussions on immigration I've ever heard. Mr Arpi, I salute you.
Sweden has only turned slightly nationalist. Same in Italy. Better late than never. Now we need other Western nations to do the same.
Italy’s government pay homage to the old Italian fascists in their flag. That online tells you their true intentions
Their is nothing wrong with some nationalism :)
Sweden isnt even nationallist. Its reallt the right wing in sweden that dont like swedish public values. Sweden are more like going individualism.
@@jjh2920 what's wrong with that?
Because I like living in a free world where I don’t live under a totalitarian regime. Facisism always leads to totalitarian systems where there is no independent thought and you cannot question your government. Independent thought is destroyed. People turned into submissive zombies.Maybe you enjoy being bossed around by your leader and being told what to think. I like being free to think and We won’t get that under far right wing regimes.
26:19 - This comment here is spot on. Not everyone can get along and thats ok to admit. Its ok to admit that not everyone belongs everywhere. Integration can occur to an extent, but mostly on an individual level.
Also I'd strongly disagree with Freddie when he says London is a success story. I grew up there and it was not a good place to live. I am glad that I am now living in a different part of the UK, which is, to be blunt, more British.
Freddy lives in the cocoon of the prosperous and educated
Good comment
But sadly it is very taboo(in the west) to admit that many different cultures most likely won’t exactly get along too well. It is taboo to just be truthful about many issues now so no progress is made
I'd strongly disagree with you. I grew up in London in a "diverse" area and it was brilliant. Different strokes I guess.
My experience has generally been that poverty is a bigger influence than the mix of cultures.
I am Swedish, my wife is Turkish.
Many of the recent immigrants have no ambishon to be a part of the society.
It's simple, just try to embrace your new Country and be proud of it.
- Learn the language well (English is acceptable)
- Finish high school
100% you will get a job
A family can get up over €2000 without work, including free housing. Not that much insentives to work and be a part of society.
So would you embrace Turkish culture: and I mean Anatolia which is strongly influenced by conservative Islam. You would need to dispense with your Swedish liberal values. I think what you say is typical of the naive way many Swedes look at the problem. It's far from simple and you should have realised that from the start.
@@andrewlesterthomas5581 perhaps Islam is not assimilable in the West? You’re right; these questions should’ve have been asked from the beginning, but it certainly wasn’t the average Swede who asked for this immigration just like it wasn’t the decision of the average person of any Western country that has ramped up immigration over the past 40-50 years. It was forced on them
@@TriteNight1218 If you spend 15 mintues reading the first part of each book of the Koran (as I did on a flight to Turkey recently) then your realise it certainly isn't and never will be. The prescription is basically death and destruction to the non-believer and assigning superiority to the Muslim. It has all the traits that the so called liberal left are supposed to despise. Yet they ignore it, whilst vilifying anything white and western. We need to know why this had happened, who did it and the motiviation then fight it. It is complex!
Imagine being in the position of the interviewer. “Yeah the situation is a powder keg of ethnic tension. But as long as the economy keeps ticking along it will all be ok”. The time has come to admit that ethnic groups have an interest in surviving in their ancestral homelands. The time has come to reject any liberal principle that gets in the way of that.
As a 72 year old, 3rd generation native born Californian and I agree 100% with the Ivar Arpi and you wonderful Swedes. Britain suffers from having pinned itself onto the coattails of US policy and following US around like imprinted baby ducks.
It's an embarrassing truth that likely harps back to our early colonisation of the USA as well as later with our cooperation with America in particular intelligence from Bletchley Park in the run up to the bombing by Japan of Pearl Harbour (Yanks thought us Limeys were crazy- little did they realise). Then of course there is the English language, which despite popular US belief, we invented, not you! 😂
And a major of London named KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
@@twntwrs Yes, Khan is now the Mayor of London. In 2002 he was our lawyer when he worked in Fischer Christian Khan Solicitors.
OMG!
Would you consider California a part of America at this point? I’ve heard wild stories about how it’s changed
It's Swedish hostage syndrome. The main objective of both World War, for the US was to destroy the British Empire and replace it with a hybrid of it's own. And as you say, the British are caught in that net.
Why you would go to someone’s country when yours is in a bad way and start to commit crimes is so insane to me.
unless you were being tacitly reassured by their governments that pretty soon you would be taking-over.
Yeah, tell that to Americans.
@@yohighness Thats military you idiot. Not normal citizens.
@@martinpospisil3747 So, the military doesn't have "normal citizens"? You need to grow a brain, you twonce!
Cuz they are protected by the center and left.
Migrant commits a crime?
"We have failed them as a society, we need to increase funding of this and that programm"
Migrant still doesnt have a job and doesnt speak the language after 6 years?
"We need a quota for migrants at workplaces and a social worker who educates the staff how to speak this or that language"
They are immune to criticism because criticism is mistaken with racism.
Ivar Arpi, gosh what a Mr Sunshine :D
I live in Sweden and i recognize these issues, i meet so many bright driven immigrants that gives me hope. Just talking and laughing together makes the world much smaller
Some countries are ethnic states. Japan and China are ethnic states. You can live there for a thousand years and will never be able to become Chinese. Why do we tolerate the fact that some countries are allowed to define themselves ethnically whilst others are forbidden.
Freddie seems to miss the point that there is no good gameplan to make something work, when you don’t want it to work.
If you're unwilling to do what's necessary than nothing you ARE willing to do can do the job.
And for Sayers involuntary repatriation. e.g., is unthinkable and THEREFOR unworkable.
Add that to a felt obligation to be "optimistic" and you end up in Gormless.
This Swedish gentleman articulately stated facts!
I have been in Sweden, i have stayed for a long time. I left and i never return.
I can't say is bad or good. Swedes are educated and warm people generally.
I can't understand how Sweden became a victim of multiculturalism and why? For what reason? For me is absolutely insane! The problem in Sweden is that accept many fake refugees, for example Albania is safe but 15.000 Albanian claim asylum status they never deported back. People who have criminal records are still in Sweden and grabbing tax money. Large families grabbing huge apartments and allowances for FREE....
Sweden still accept huge number of immigrants, are many many immigrants who be illegally in Sweden if someone visit nyköping, Stockholm, Malmö the first thing you can do is feeling a little nervous or unsafe.
I hope SD will change Sweden will make Sweden again great.
Still lovin that Freddie is what a journalist was meant to be - challenges his guest, but does it in proper British fashion - respectful. He's not here to put out his own narrative, like almost all media (including podcasters) is today.
But that's exactly what he did do.
Great chat.
Speaks of London as a success story when it comes to diversity, the lootings, stabbings, riots, modern slavery, illegal workers, Albanian and Turkish gangs, ghettoisation etc etc.
Freddie the anywhere is isolated from it all.
He can't see what is happening, doesn't want to, cognitive dissonance.
Have the acid attacks stopped?
I am mixed race, live in the UK and I think Ivar Arpi, is genuine and a person I would support, if he was in the UK
You seem to get it, it's not about race, it's about culture and behavior.
@@S.J.L There is no race, it is all 'culture'. If we start looking at it that way we can start addressing the real problem and going after the real culprits. Certain cultures just do not 'belong' is a strong word, but they do not NEED to be in Europe, and Ivar mentioned who they are.
Here in Canada, we just experienced hindus having a sword fight as well, same with UK in Leicester where hindus vs pakistanis were at it. I mean come on man!! Sword wars??
@@ibizawavey8630 really where was the sword fight?🇨🇦
@@S.J.L culture is downstream from Race.
@@ibizawavey8630 culture is downstream from Race.
The Fed can return to 2% inflation if it does all of the following: 1. Crash the stock, bond, and real estate markets. 2. Allow a severe recession with no stimulus. 3. Allow a worse financial crisis than 2008. 4. Allow big banks to fail without bailing any out, including.
For nearly 14 years the Fed supported the U.S. economy on a foundation of cheap money. This created malinvestment, misallocation of resources, asset bubbles, and excessive debt and consumption.
People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other option. Even in a hyperinflationary environment, individuals must continue to use their hyperinflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold/silver coins.
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Off-topic but okay
description of German success on imigration is not correct. Am myself immigrant in Germany and nothing is in any way shape or form "fixed"
Being used to a multicultural city does not mean people are happy with it. Also, Freddy might want to consider how many hand grenades he want to hear about or be near to before he feels his country might not be safe, and maybe he might want it stopped.
Sorry Freddie, I really think you are a great interviewer but you couldn’t be more wrong about the situation in Germany. Just some days ago a Somali has slaughtered two people, seriously injuring two more, and these kind of news become more and more common
This is the first time I've watched an interview by Freddie. Because I'm unfamiliar with him, I couldn't tell if he was playing Devil's advocate or is always very far left. Some of his questions and opinions came off as extremely condescending. The whole "don't you think you should be more optimistic..." line really grated on my nerves. How easy that is to say when you're not the one who has to actually deal with the problems in your neighborhood, and you haven't had to watch as your elderly relatives became fearful of even going outside...
I think Mr Unherd is definitely in the London bubble
The issue is not migration. It is non-integration of Muslim societies with the rest of society. It is, deep down a religious issue. This is actually the way the Muslim faith is spread, or forced via numbers, because Muslim birth rate is 3-4 times that of Europe average.
The speakers are even afraid to admit it
Germany handled the waves of immigration after the 2nd world war reasonably well but it was a very different mind set than today. Back then people moved into a hugely growing economy and had received a clear message to adapt and integrate. Today Germany is handling it just as bad as Sweden and we are some years behind Sweden
I suspect this to, Germany is in deep denial about many things regarding its immigration, its gonna come to the surface soon, Sweden is just ahead in this process.
I believe Germany still are suffering from the "guilt" of the Austrian man and wanted to do good to clean up a dark history chapter. Not realizing that they were hurting themselves.
I am not sure about numbers but I don't think the foreign born population should ever exceed like 10%
Here in London Freddie said - London is a mess Freddie as is Manchester.
The host went into this discussion with his mind made up before the first question. The use of finger quotes every time he mentioned right wing parties was the first give away. The Swedish guest was making good points that the host didn't want to hear.
As a Swede, I agree with Ivar 100%. I think he's too optimistic, tho. It's going to get waaay worse...
We need to arm our selves and protect each other when all hell breaks loose.
@@swedenisthemotherland3952 Family, friends and neighbors. Be aware. Train and protect. Don't trust the government to do it for you.
What Ivar talks about around 27 minutes in about Hindus and Pakistanis reminds me of my first summer job in Stockholm in the seventies. I worked
that summer at a big department store in central Stockholm (Ahlens). Lots of different nationalities there and many Turks but no Grreks. It turned out that
Ahlens never hired Greeks. The other big department store in central Stockholm (PUB) hired Greeks but not Turks. It was a "silent" agreement between the department stores. You could not mix Greeks and Turks. The Greeks and Turks knew this of course and only applied to "their" department store. Discrimination, yes, but the department stores could not have Greeks and Turks fighting among the groceries, the managemts had to be realistic. Sometimes segregation is necessary...
Well said and it still looks like this. When was the last time anyone saw someone from Balkan hiring an Arab?
The funny thing is that all the social elite claims that the racism comes from the native population but they are impressively blind to see that other people are and they aren't even ashamed of it.
yes so lets segregate across national borders
I am greek, and I have never heard of greek and turkish people not going along together. Why would they not get along? On the contrary, if I were living abroad, I would have nothing against working with Turks and being friends with them. The problem for me is not that certain nationalities do not get along with each other, and cause problems in their environment, but that the more north you go inside of Europe, the more beautiful people become on average. And so, if you have immigration from the south to the north, you have a decrease in the average beauty of the population. For me, apart from this problem, there is no other long-term important problem (concerning immigration).
@@UnrepentantFenian would you like dutch, english, swedish, danish people not to be able to live in Germany, and vice versa? What kind of world would what you propose lead to? A world where countries are at the same time cages. There is no problems arising from immigrations of the type above that I mentioned (dutch, british, etc. russian, polish even to Germany, the UK, France, and vice versa).
@@tomorrowneverdies567 nah bro but if you flood the uk or any european countries with 3rd worlders it will destroy the culture and country if you let i millions of europeans it would change the culture and not destroy it but im irish i like my culture i dont want it attacked destroyed or changed by foreigners
What a rational and intelligent man.
Freddie? I know. I adore him!
@@just_another32 No, given the general tenor of the responses to the video the way to bet is that he means Ivor.
There's anyway nothing intelligent about Sayers' demand for unjustified "optimism".
Oh, he always likes to try and end with a note of optimism - even when discussing lockdowns, imminent nuclear war, and vaccine injuries!
@@just_another32 The demand for baseless "optimism" was made early and often, not just at the end.
@@blackphilip8936 BP - you could be right!
Freddies pronunciation of both Ivar Arpi and Rak Höger was impressive tbh.
What an interesting conversation, thank you. Ivar seems like an intelligent and thoughtful fellow.
He is, the establishment in Sweden don't really like him very much xD
Great interview, Ivar Arpi is one of Swedens ‘s few sharp journalists.
But to the recurring claim of Ivar’s pessimism: Unless we clearly articulate the problem, we can’t find solutions. It’s realism, not pessimism. And to Freddie’s question of the Swedish character there is one huge deficit: the avoidant personality disorder on a national scale, leading to glossing over, minimizing problems. There is also an oppressive drive for consensus that silences opposing voices.Those are two important behaviors that have contributed to Sweden’s rapid decay.
Well said, totally agree. Tbh the most important lesson from the rise of SD (the Sweden Democrats) was that it forced the discussion to be had. Before SD's rise ALL of the established parties together comfortably held the immigration/assimilation/integration topics at a comfortable distance. Even the discussion was considered to be political suicide.
A very accurate assessment.
Mr Arpi explains very clearly what has been happening in the American experience. Freddy is making me cringe with his naivety. Surely he knows it’s not as easy as he suggests. England, including London has had serious issues. You can tell Freddy doesn’t have children. If you are a parent you want to provide security, safety and education at the very least of what you were afforded. If your child is raped, murdered, maimed by a bomb or worse, that is 100% of a tragedy not 20% Freddy.
I saw a poll in 2008 that stated that 2/3 of Swedes wanted ALL immigrants to go home (this is assuming those polled were all Swedes. If not, the percentage among Swedes is likely higher). Considering no country in the entire western ever consented to this transformation of our countries, it's only surprising this didn't happen sooner. In my opinion, were it not for the false promises of the likes of Thatcher in the 80s (who effectively stole votes from the National Front by promising to cut immigration) and the debt cushions we all lived on in the 90s and 2000s, this massive pivot towards nationalism that started in the mid 2010s would have began easily 20 years earlier.
Ivar is right on the money.
So glad to see some common sense emerging!!
How Freddie can say London has been largely successful is distressing to say the least - maybe where he lives - but that's a small percentage of the city.
London is the best city in the world!
@@johnson2joy East London is a shit hole full of animals
@@johnson2joy Not even in top 10